[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
Albert Pikes famous vision given to him by a spirit guide : The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the agentur of the Illuminati between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope you're right about the American psyche. My guess is that the Rambo or Die Hard instinct extends to watching such flicks but not to actually getting off the couch. But, who knows? If you're convinced that money runs the show, then don't you think money strategized to get to the position of controlling government and education (which included religion)? One of the biggest steps in the right direction according to them was the creation of the Federal Reserve System which was directly responsible for WW's I and II, and that, by published admission of the principles was a conspiracy, but you can call it a stratefy. A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone here has honed their psychic powers via various methods for decades. Well, let's see if we'z gots the mojo from all the work . . . or not. Here's the question for our intuitions: Will BigBiz arrange for another 9-11 in order to declare martial law, imprison millions in the camps they've built, and call off the election until things calm down? My vote: Yes: if Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich come up another notch or two in the poles or kick ass in the primaries. No: if any other Republican or Hillary, Barack, or John get the nom. I'm on the verge of my paranoia coming to the foreground bigtime what with the camps and War with Iran talk. I'm not to my Y2K level yet, so I haven't stocked up my pantry, gotten wilderness survival equipment, or bought a gun. Ron and Dennis are candidates that seem to be artifacts that are spiking on the graph of the BigBiz's control system -- that is, they have risen a bit higher into the public's awareness than the system would like, but they are allowed cuz it makes the system seem fair -- so far that is; if they get more popular I would expect some swiftboating of Ron and Dennis for starters. The bad news is this: if the worst is true, then I will probably be rounded up and put into a camp -- just because I've posted online my deep anger towards BigBiz. They're are reading all our emails and listening to all our phone calls, right? They've got computers scanning for key words and making a list and probably not checking it twice, right? All the above said, I think that my read of the American psyche is still very hopeful. Here in Wisconsin, there's millions of deer hunters who would aim those rifles at anyone coming to take their guns or put a loved one in a camp for hating BushCo. That's the Achilles Heel of BigBiz's brainwashing of our culture: they've inculcated a Die Hard heroism worship in us, and that inner Bruce Willis within each of us is waiting for a righteous cause. It won't be easy for BigBiz to sell the camps to anyone unless a 9-11 style disaster is pulled off, and some group can be made into retaliation targetsprobably the Arabs living in America and any mobs that form to protest. The guy at prisonplanet.com is making more and more sense everyday. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Video clip: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm? fuseaction=vids.individualvideoid=935607276 Great truths not only about the USA ! Send instant
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, aztjbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Albert Pikes famous vision given to him by a spirit guide : The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the agentur of the Illuminati between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in (sniP) Much of this has already occurred. The forces of divide and conquer are in power now, and have been in power for quite some time. The own the media, the oil, the banks, everything. There is no one person, but more of an attitude which is not of light, but of darkness, or ignorance. This is what is being cut to peices now. The more light, the more darknes will be exposed. Just think of the difference in just a few years. Bush going from some kind of hero, to now being charged with murder. Amazing, evolution, wouldn't you agree? The rising consciousness, due to the raising of awareness, Of what has been kept in the dark, for so long... Bush is a reflection of the collective consciousness of the past. The days are numbered, for these greedy assholes, With the rising wave of consciousness. The Jews, or the Germans, or the Russians, or the Chinese, Don't have a monopoly on keeping people stupid. Meditation and the internet are exploding the evil that has been since the beginning of the 'Fall' RG/
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
Albert Pike's spirit guide tells him about WWIII; The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the agentur of the Illuminati between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope you're right about the American psyche. My guess is that the Rambo or Die Hard instinct extends to watching such flicks but not to actually getting off the couch. But, who knows? If you're convinced that money runs the show, then don't you think money strategized to get to the position of controlling government and education (which included religion)? One of the biggest steps in the right direction according to them was the creation of the Federal Reserve System which was directly responsible for WW's I and II, and that, by published admission of the principles was a conspiracy, but you can call it a stratefy. A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone here has honed their psychic powers via various methods for decades. Well, let's see if we'z gots the mojo from all the work . . . or not. Here's the question for our intuitions: Will BigBiz arrange for another 9-11 in order to declare martial law, imprison millions in the camps they've built, and call off the election until things calm down? My vote: Yes: if Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich come up another notch or two in the poles or kick ass in the primaries. No: if any other Republican or Hillary, Barack, or John get the nom. I'm on the verge of my paranoia coming to the foreground bigtime what with the camps and War with Iran talk. I'm not to my Y2K level yet, so I haven't stocked up my pantry, gotten wilderness survival equipment, or bought a gun. Ron and Dennis are candidates that seem to be artifacts that are spiking on the graph of the BigBiz's control system -- that is, they have risen a bit higher into the public's awareness than the system would like, but they are allowed cuz it makes the system seem fair -- so far that is; if they get more popular I would expect some swiftboating of Ron and Dennis for starters. The bad news is this: if the worst is true, then I will probably be rounded up and put into a camp -- just because I've posted online my deep anger towards BigBiz. They're are reading all our emails and listening to all our phone calls, right? They've got computers scanning for key words and making a list and probably not checking it twice, right? All the above said, I think that my read of the American psyche is still very hopeful. Here in Wisconsin, there's millions of deer hunters who would aim those rifles at anyone coming to take their guns or put a loved one in a camp for hating BushCo. That's the Achilles Heel of BigBiz's brainwashing of our culture: they've inculcated a Die Hard heroism worship in us, and that inner Bruce Willis within each of us is waiting for a righteous cause. It won't be easy for BigBiz to sell the camps to anyone unless a 9-11 style disaster is pulled off, and some group can be made into retaliation targetsprobably the Arabs living in America and any mobs that form to protest. The guy at prisonplanet.com is making more and more sense everyday. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
Recently I have heard that the 'Dead Sea Scrolls' predict: That 'One who leads people astay, with his liar tongue...' Will be replaced with, 'A righteous leader, who leads people in Truth'. That is another take on this possible 'dark future of Lucifer, 'The Father of Lies'... Printed below... r.g. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, aztjbailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Albert Pike's spirit guide tells him about WWIII; The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the agentur of the Illuminati between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: I hope you're right about the American psyche. My guess is that the Rambo or Die Hard instinct extends to watching such flicks but not to actually getting off the couch. But, who knows? If you're convinced that money runs the show, then don't you think money strategized to get to the position of controlling government and education (which included religion)? One of the biggest steps in the right direction according to them was the creation of the Federal Reserve System which was directly responsible for WW's I and II, and that, by published admission of the principles was a conspiracy, but you can call it a stratefy. A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone here has honed their psychic powers via various methods for decades. Well, let's see if we'z gots the mojo from all the work . . . or not. Here's the question for our intuitions: Will BigBiz arrange for another 9-11 in order to declare martial law, imprison millions in the camps they've built, and call off the election until things calm down? My vote: Yes: if Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich come up another notch or two in the poles or kick ass in the primaries. No: if any other Republican or Hillary, Barack, or John get the nom. I'm on the verge of my paranoia coming to the foreground bigtime what with the camps and War with Iran talk. I'm not to my Y2K level yet, so I haven't stocked up my pantry, gotten wilderness survival equipment, or bought a gun. Ron and Dennis are candidates that seem to be artifacts that are spiking on the graph of the BigBiz's control system -- that is, they have risen a bit higher into the public's awareness than the system would like, but they are allowed cuz it makes the system seem fair -- so far that is; if they get more popular I would expect some swiftboating of Ron and Dennis for starters. The bad news is this: if the worst is true, then I will probably be rounded up and put into a camp -- just because I've posted online my deep anger towards BigBiz. They're are reading all our emails and listening to all our phone calls, right? They've got computers scanning for key words and making a list and probably not checking it twice, right? All the above said, I think that my read of the American psyche is still very hopeful. Here in Wisconsin, there's millions of deer hunters who would aim those rifles at anyone coming to take their guns or put a loved one in a camp for hating BushCo. That's the Achilles Heel of BigBiz's brainwashing of our culture: they've inculcated a Die Hard heroism worship in us, and that inner Bruce Willis within each of us is waiting for a righteous cause. It won't be easy for BigBiz to sell the camps to anyone unless a 9-11
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
Thanks for being positive. I do believe people can make a difference. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, R.G. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently I have heard that the 'Dead Sea Scrolls' predict: That 'One who leads people astay, with his liar tongue...' Will be replaced with, 'A righteous leader, who leads people in Truth'. That is another take on this possible 'dark future of Lucifer, 'The Father of Lies'... Printed below... r.g. - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, aztjbailey aztjbailey@ wrote: Albert Pike's spirit guide tells him about WWIII; The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the agentur of the Illuminati between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: I hope you're right about the American psyche. My guess is that the Rambo or Die Hard instinct extends to watching such flicks but not to actually getting off the couch. But, who knows? If you're convinced that money runs the show, then don't you think money strategized to get to the position of controlling government and education (which included religion)? One of the biggest steps in the right direction according to them was the creation of the Federal Reserve System which was directly responsible for WW's I and II, and that, by published admission of the principles was a conspiracy, but you can call it a stratefy. A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone here has honed their psychic powers via various methods for decades. Well, let's see if we'z gots the mojo from all the work . . . or not. Here's the question for our intuitions: Will BigBiz arrange for another 9-11 in order to declare martial law, imprison millions in the camps they've built, and call off the election until things calm down? My vote: Yes: if Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich come up another notch or two in the poles or kick ass in the primaries. No: if any other Republican or Hillary, Barack, or John get the nom. I'm on the verge of my paranoia coming to the foreground bigtime what with the camps and War with Iran talk. I'm not to my Y2K level yet, so I haven't stocked up my pantry, gotten wilderness survival equipment, or bought a gun. Ron and Dennis are candidates that seem to be artifacts that are spiking on the graph of the BigBiz's control system -- that is, they have risen a bit higher into the public's awareness than the system would like, but they are allowed cuz it makes the system seem fair -- so far that is; if they get more popular I would expect some swiftboating of Ron and Dennis for starters. The bad news is this: if the worst is true, then I will probably be rounded up and put into a camp -- just because I've posted online my deep anger towards BigBiz. They're are reading all our emails and listening to all our phone calls, right? They've got computers scanning for key words and making a list and probably not checking it twice, right? All the above said, I think that my read of the American psyche is still very hopeful. Here in Wisconsin, there's millions of deer hunters who would aim those rifles at anyone coming to take their guns or put a loved one in a camp for hating BushCo.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is some past history in which you have behaved very badly with me in my estimation, and I was told by others that it isn't personal, that this is just your style of interacting with people. First, it's extremely unwise to accept what people like Barry say about me. He spends a great deal of his time maliciously misrepresenting my behavior and motives and what I've said and has for many years. Second, I don't even know what it isn't personal vs. my style of interacting with people could possibly mean. I interact with each individual as seems appropriate at the moment. If criticism seems appropriate, then I'm critical. If not, not. And if you've read my posts, you know that. The it's not personal idea is Barry's way of pretending that there isn't anything about his behavior that deserves criticism. I'm surprised you'd be fooled by that. (Don't you recall awhile back Barry was preaching to us all about what a loser and a whiner you were? He's a total opportunist. Now he's bad-mouthing me to you in order to get you on his side against me.) Indeed, I've seen you do it with others, and I don't like it any better when it is directed at them than when it is directed at me. Nobody likes criticism. It is simply uncultured behavior and I have no wish to contribute to it in any way. Uncultured? LOL! The second reason I hesitated to give you a few names (you asked for historians, not their work) I assumed that, as a scholar, you would know that asking for sources means asking for full citations, including the works. is just because I am a scholar. Giving you a few sources is an utterly inadequate substitute for ten years' worth of scholarly research, and only someone who is not a scholar would even ask such a thing. Giving you just a few names (or sources) leaves me completely open to adverse criticism. Nonsense. This is a really poor excuse. Of course it isn't a substitute for years of research, nor did I suggest it was. That's another straw man. However, knowing a few of what you consider to be your most authoritative sources can provide at least some insight into your scholarly judgment. If I thought you would actually read some books, then that would be different; I could recommend where you might begin and how you might avoid some of the dead ends I had to explore to get where I am. But I do not get the sense that you wish to engage in any activity that would a) tend to vindicate me, and b) educate yourself. That's another poor excuse, and it's a misjudgment of me. If I were to look up some examples of your sources on the Web and find that they were highly respected by other scholars, that would be a point in your favor, and I'd then be inclined to take what you say more seriously. If not...not. The history of Nazi Germany has been suppressed by American academic historians. There have been a few courageous souls who have published their work anyway, risking their careers and livelihoods. But Angela, this is the standard claim of all conspiracy theorists to explain the lack of respectable support for their theories, that the real story has been suppressed. If the courageous souls who have published had made a solid case, they would have found mainstream support. The real story has been suppressed just doesn't carry any weight at all. If you really were seriously interested in this question, rather than wanting to dismiss the possibility of conspiracy out of hand without any serious investigation Angela, there are questions that merit serious interest and investigation, and questions that do not. You haven't even bothered to make a case for your claim, or even said exactly what it involves; why should I undertake to investigate it seriously? then I would begin with Gary Allen's The Rockefeller Papers You mean The Rockefeller File. You can't even get the titles of your sources right. As to Allen, he was a member of the John Birch Society. Were you aware of that? He was also an anti-Semite. Are you even aware that most of this area of conspiracy theorizing has as its basis the notion that evil Jews run the world? It's promoted heavily by neo-Nazis; just check on the Web. Here's an Amazon page for Allen's book None Dare Call It Conspiracy where two knowledgeable readers tear apart Allen's research (the first and last reviews on the page): http://tinyurl.com/yuy3pp and with Anthony Sutton's Wallstreet and the Rise of Hitler. His Wallstreet and the Bolshevik Revolution would be another good choice. But again, these two men would be a bare bones beginning. You could not draw any hard conclusions based on their work alone. Once again: I'm not attempting to draw hard conclusions. The issue I'm exploring is that of the quality of your scholarship. FWIW, one of the reader-reviewers on Amazon says of Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler, The book turns a bit conspiratorial
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: Yes, she probably would have dismissed him out of hand just because he was a Freemason, which is one reason I didn't bring him up. But the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he also predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened. Would that carry any weight with her? Moreover, he studied at Harvard. Angela, this kind of nonsense is why I don't take you seriously on this conspiracy stuff, and why I find your reluctance to cite your sources very suspicious. snip This isn't the first time by a long shot that you've revealed bad judgment and very poor command of the facts. Pike was just a starting point and yes when I mentioned him I was well aware of the controversy around him. I wasn't addressing you, Bhairitu, I was responding to what Angela had written (quoted at the top). You don't pretend to be a scholar, so your fantasies don't have to meet the same standards. Do you have any predictions about what will happen in the next 150 years? I'll respond if you can explain the relevance you believe your question has to this discussion.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, she probably would have dismissed him out of hand just because he was a Freemason, which is one reason I didn't bring him up. But the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he also predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened. Would that carry any weight with her? Moreover, he studied at Harvard. Angela, this kind of nonsense is why I don't take you seriously on this conspiracy stuff, and why I find your reluctance to cite your sources very suspicious. First, to dismiss somebody out of hand just because he was a Freemason, obviously I'd have to also dismiss out of hand many of the most prominent figures in modern history, so that's just a ridiculous surmise on your part. But there are plenty of other good reasons to dismiss Pike. Second (speaking of the other reasons), it isn't at all clear that Pike's purported predictions weren't a fraud, written at a much later date. The prediction of the third world war is way off anyway, given that it appears to describe only prolonged conventional, non- nuclear warfare. In any all-out world war in this day and age, nuclear weapons would be used, and it would be over very quickly. If he didn't foresee nuclear weapons, he wasn't much of a psychic. Third, Pike didn't study at Harvard. He passed the entrance exams but couldn't afford the tuition. And even if he had, having attended Harvard does not automatically immunize a person against crackpottery. This isn't the first time by a long shot that you've revealed bad judgment and very poor command of the facts.
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authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, she probably would have dismissed him out of hand just because he was a Freemason, which is one reason I didn't bring him up. But the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he also predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened. Would that carry any weight with her? Moreover, he studied at Harvard. Angela, this kind of nonsense is why I don't take you seriously on this conspiracy stuff, and why I find your reluctance to cite your sources very suspicious. First, to dismiss somebody out of hand just because he was a Freemason, obviously I'd have to also dismiss out of hand many of the most prominent figures in modern history, so that's just a ridiculous surmise on your part. But there are plenty of other good reasons to dismiss Pike. Second (speaking of the other reasons), it isn't at all clear that Pike's purported predictions weren't a fraud, written at a much later date. The prediction of the third world war is way off anyway, given that it appears to describe only prolonged conventional, non- nuclear warfare. In any all-out world war in this day and age, nuclear weapons would be used, and it would be over very quickly. If he didn't foresee nuclear weapons, he wasn't much of a psychic. Third, Pike didn't study at Harvard. He passed the entrance exams but couldn't afford the tuition. And even if he had, having attended Harvard does not automatically immunize a person against crackpottery. This isn't the first time by a long shot that you've revealed bad judgment and very poor command of the facts. Pike was just a starting point and yes when I mentioned him I was well aware of the controversy around him. Do you have any predictions about what will happen in the next 150 years?
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On Dec 3, 2007, at 5:52 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: Any time you have secret societies, especially societies in which the higher you go in rank, the more secretive things are, it is impossible to know what is really going on. The public work is for sure not all there is. A couple of more fallacies from Angela: - Regular Freemasonry is not a secret society, it's a fraternity. - Their rituals are private, but not secret and have been published since the 1700's. - In any regular Masonic lodge it is forbidden to discuss either politics or religion. Anyone doing so would be immediately expelled.
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Bhairitu wrote: I wonder if Delia actually voted for Bush in 2004 and if so really regrets it now? You are supposed to read the messages BEFORE you post your questions, Barry. Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Barry Date: Sun, Sep 26 2004 12:53 pm Subject: Re: Neocon delusions http://tinyurl.com/3ax3s9 Gee, I wonder what Bush and particularly Ashcroft's stance on paganism is?
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Nope, all I did was ask a question in that thread. I wonder if Delia actually voted for Bush in 2004 and if so really regrets it now? TurquoiseB wrote: Well, he hasn't made Beltane a national holiday and given a tax break to witches, so I'd be willing to bet that she's not a fan. :-) How much would you be willing to wager? Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Judy Stein Date: Friday, Sep 24 2004 8:38 pm Subject: OT: Why Osama is voting for Bush http://tinyurl.com/ywnwdg Delia wrote: I'm voting for Bush this year because we are at a crucial time in confronting radical Islam, and right now all other issues pale in comparison to that. I don't think that Bush's approach to that is ideal, either. I think we need to get somebody in the White House who is not unwilling to say that the problem is about Islam, or at least some aspects of Islam.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Duveyoung wrote: Bhairitu, I think you're a titch too absolute on your critique of Judy. I've been arguing and sometimes agreeing with Judy for years so my POV comes with experience. And like Barry, Bhairitu has developed the siddhi of being able to determine why I post what I post without knowing *what* I've posted. Since this sentence appeared in Message View, I wound up reading it. And I'll actually reply, because Judy seems so clueless as to *how* we know the intent of many of her posts without even bothering to read them. The answer is simple and Bhairitu nails it above -- past history, and lots of it. When Judy seemingly politely asks someone to explain something they said, or to provide a reference or send her a list of historians or whatever, LONG experience with her personal style of posting tells us that this is merely the first step of a setup for what she *really* wants to accomplish, which is another putdown. It's like Lucy sweetly inviting Charley Brown to kick the football. What sane person would believe that Lucy is really going to hold the football for him this time, when for *years* it's always been a setup for someone intent on making him look stupid? Same with Judy's intent. It's pretty much a GIVEN. One doesn't need to know the specifics of it, because as she herself said, the subtle *intent* of her setups come through loud and clear in the written language, just as it would in verbal language. Just as no one sane would believe that Lucy really wants Charley Brown to kick the football, no matter how sweetly she tried to disguise the intent behind the invitation, no one sane who has watched Judy's style over the years would believe that she really wants a real conver- sation when she pretends to be asking for one. She's just setting the victim up for another of her attempts at either belittling them or putting them down or casting doubt on their integrity. It's just what Judy DOES. It's almost ALL that Judy DOES. She really doesn't have the RANGE or creativity to do much of anything else. So it's really a no-brainer to figure out her intent, based on the nature of the first setup post in a series of setup posts. In this particular instance, it's clear that she's threatened by Angela, and so has to find some way to put her down, so she's trying to do a setup to orchestrate this. The overall problem is this behavior -- Judy is potentially bright and might even have some- thing interesting to say someday IF she can get past this belief that when she lowers someone else *she* stands taller. She doesn't. She's just illustrated the basic petty jealousy that runs her behavior once again, and as a result a few more people have sighed sadly once again and felt sorry for her. They haven't admired the devastating nature of her setup and subequent putdown, they've pitied her. If she figured this out, she'd probably be worth having a discussion with. But she's been running this same number for over twelve years now, with no change in all that time, so it's not likely that she'll ever change. As a result, it really IS not only possible to know in advance what her posts are about from the first setup sentence and thus avoid them, it's a no-brainer. Learning not to bother with Judy's posts is a useful and practical *skill* on Fairfield Life. Life's too short to waste on the Lucy's of this world.
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That was exactly my feeling. I could smell the set-up and therefore didn't feel like sending her bibliography. She simply asked for references, and it sounds legit enough, nor would a scholar refuse to give it if it were really an honest question. But I did not feel it honest. So I didn't comply, not wishing to be dragged into another fight with a pig in which everyone gets dirty, but the pig likes it. Bhairitu sensed the same thing. So what exactly is it with Judy? You guys know her much better than I do. Can it be as simple as feeling taller when she squashes someone else? TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Duveyoung wrote: Bhairitu, I think you're a titch too absolute on your critique of Judy. I've been arguing and sometimes agreeing with Judy for years so my POV comes with experience. And like Barry, Bhairitu has developed the siddhi of being able to determine why I post what I post without knowing *what* I've posted. Since this sentence appeared in Message View, I wound up reading it. And I'll actually reply, because Judy seems so clueless as to *how* we know the intent of many of her posts without even bothering to read them. The answer is simple and Bhairitu nails it above -- past history, and lots of it. When Judy seemingly politely asks someone to explain something they said, or to provide a reference or send her a list of historians or whatever, LONG experience with her personal style of posting tells us that this is merely the first step of a setup for what she *really* wants to accomplish, which is another putdown. It's like Lucy sweetly inviting Charley Brown to kick the football. What sane person would believe that Lucy is really going to hold the football for him this time, when for *years* it's always been a setup for someone intent on making him look stupid? Same with Judy's intent. It's pretty much a GIVEN. One doesn't need to know the specifics of it, because as she herself said, the subtle *intent* of her setups come through loud and clear in the written language, just as it would in verbal language. Just as no one sane would believe that Lucy really wants Charley Brown to kick the football, no matter how sweetly she tried to disguise the intent behind the invitation, no one sane who has watched Judy's style over the years would believe that she really wants a real conver- sation when she pretends to be asking for one. She's just setting the victim up for another of her attempts at either belittling them or putting them down or casting doubt on their integrity. It's just what Judy DOES. It's almost ALL that Judy DOES. She really doesn't have the RANGE or creativity to do much of anything else. So it's really a no-brainer to figure out her intent, based on the nature of the first setup post in a series of setup posts. In this particular instance, it's clear that she's threatened by Angela, and so has to find some way to put her down, so she's trying to do a setup to orchestrate this. The overall problem is this behavior -- Judy is potentially bright and might even have some- thing interesting to say someday IF she can get past this belief that when she lowers someone else *she* stands taller. She doesn't. She's just illustrated the basic petty jealousy that runs her behavior once again, and as a result a few more people have sighed sadly once again and felt sorry for her. They haven't admired the devastating nature of her setup and subequent putdown, they've pitied her. If she figured this out, she'd probably be worth having a discussion with. But she's been running this same number for over twelve years now, with no change in all that time, so it's not likely that she'll ever change. As a result, it really IS not only possible to know in advance what her posts are about from the first setup sentence and thus avoid them, it's a no-brainer. Learning not to bother with Judy's posts is a useful and practical *skill* on Fairfield Life. Life's too short to waste on the Lucy's of this world. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what exactly is it with Judy? You guys know her much better than I do. Can it be as simple as feeling taller when she squashes someone else? Yes. Sadly, in my honest, long-considered opinion, it is EXACTLY that simple. Somebody -- I don't know who -- really fucked up this woman 'way back when. We keep trying to tell you that it isn't personal with you; she does this sooner or later with pretty much everybody. Smarter in my opinion, for everyone's karmic benefit, to just steer clear of it. The instant you get a whiff of the setup, bail. Because you really AREN'T imagining it, and within one or two more posts it will have turned into a full-on putdown and generally unpleasant exchange. Just my opinion, and my advice. Your mileage may vary.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Duveyoung wrote: Bhairitu, I think you're a titch too absolute on your critique of Judy. I've been arguing and sometimes agreeing with Judy for years so my POV comes with experience. And like Barry, Bhairitu has developed the siddhi of being able to determine why I post what I post without knowing *what* I've posted. Since this sentence appeared in Message View, I wound up reading it. And I'll actually reply, because Judy seems so clueless as to *how* we know the intent of many of her posts without even bothering to read them. Says Barry, inadvertently revealing that he read not only this post, but a previous one he had pretended to ignore. He does this far more often than he realizes. And, of course, he's wrong. I know exactly why Barry--and Bhairitu, in this case--comment on posts of mine and others of their enemies they haven't read, making complete asses of themselves while believing they've made a devastating putdown. Barry's smarting because I pointed out how badly he misconstrued a post of Edg's he hadn't read. So he's desperate to get back at me. Likewise, Bhairitu didn't fare so well in an exchange he and I had recently about Sivananda's brand of meditation, so he needs to try to take a smack at me. Oh, yeah, and Barry inadvertently exposes Bhairitu's misrepresentation: Bhairitu *denied* that he had said anything about why I'd made the posts he hadn't read. snip In this particular instance, it's clear that she's threatened by Angela, and so has to find some way to put her down, so she's trying to do a setup to orchestrate this. ROAR Right, Barry. I'm just *so* threatened by people who see conspiracies under every bed. The overall problem is this behavior -- Judy is potentially bright and might even have some- thing interesting to say someday IF she can get past this belief that when she lowers someone else *she* stands taller. She doesn't. She's just illustrated the basic petty jealousy that runs her behavior once again, and as a result a few more people have sighed sadly once again and felt sorry for her. They haven't admired the devastating nature of her setup and subequent putdown, they've pitied her. If she figured this out, she'd probably be worth having a discussion with. But she's been running this same number for over twelve years now And Barry has been spinning the arguments with me (and anybody else) that he's lost this same way for over twelve years now. snip Learning not to bother with Judy's posts is a useful and practical *skill* on Fairfield Life. Translation: Barry hates like hell to lose arguments.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was exactly my feeling. I could smell the set-up and therefore didn't feel like sending her bibliography. She simply asked for references, and it sounds legit enough, nor would a scholar refuse to give it if it were really an honest question. But I did not feel it honest. So I didn't comply, not wishing to be dragged into another fight with a pig in which everyone gets dirty, but the pig likes it. Angela, why would you fear that legitimate references would drag you into a dirty fight? Bhairitu sensed the same thing. So what exactly is it with Judy? You guys know her much better than I do. Can it be as simple as feeling taller when she squashes someone else? It isn't even as *complicated* as that. It's simply not true. Barry (and Bhairitu) know--but won't tell you--that I have a thing about dishonesty. I detest it. I go after it wherever I see it. Anybody who's been on FFL for a while knows this. Barry has been a particular target of mine because he is one of the most dishonest people I've ever encountered. Bhairitu isn't at all constitutionally dishonest like Barry, but he can be intellectually sloppy, and he gets upset when he's caught out. In this case, we had had a discussion in which he'd goofed badly, so he's sore at me. As I explained to you before, I'm deeply suspicious of your scholarly qualifications, because you don't behave like any legitimate scholar I've ever encountered. This isn't the first time by any means that you've evaded giving references for your claims. You made a highly controversial claim. You should expect that folks would want to know the basis for it. Why wouldn't you be *eager* to support it with documentation? That you try to portray my request as some kind of *attack* on you to justify not providing references just reeks of dishonesty. That's the sort of thing Barry does. If you had come up with solid sources right away, I'd have no basis for being suspicious. You had a chance to *allay* my suspicions, but you didn't take it, and instead you've attacked me for even asking. That is *not* scholarly behavior. That's the behavior of someone who fears having her scholarship called in question.
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Why would I smell a fish in your request for sources? Two reasons. Maybe because you called me a Nazi? There is some past history in which you have behaved very badly with me in my estimation, and I was told by others that it isn't personal, that this is just your style of interacting with people. Indeed, I've seen you do it with others, and I don't like it any better when it is directed at them than when it is directed at me. It is simply uncultured behavior and I have no wish to contribute to it in any way. The second reason I hesitated to give you a few names (you asked for historians, not their work) is just because I am a scholar. Giving you a few sources is an utterly inadequate substitute for ten years' worth of scholarly research, and only someone who is not a scholar would even ask such a thing. Giving you just a few names (or sources) leaves me completely open to adverse criticism. If I thought you would actually read some books, then that would be different; I could recommend where you might begin and how you might avoid some of the dead ends I had to explore to get where I am. But I do not get the sense that you wish to engage in any activity that would a) tend to vindicate me, and b) educate yourself. The history of Nazi Germany has been suppressed by American academic historians. There have been a few courageous souls who have published their work anyway, risking their careers and livelihoods. If you really were seriously interested in this question, rather than wanting to dismiss the possibility of conspiracy out of hand without any serious investigation, then I would begin with Gary Allen's The Rockefeller Papers and with Anthony Sutton's Wallstreet and the Rise of Hitler. His Wallstreet and the Bolshevik Revolution would be another good choice. But again, these two men would be a bare bones beginning. You could not draw any hard conclusions based on their work alone. At a minimum, you would not only have to read their books, you'd also have to follow up on all their sources, as I have done. This would be a full-time assignment for a good semester's work. Obviously, I am not under the illusion that you would do this kind of work in order to learn that I am not just talking through my hat. Yet, there is no other way to determine whether or not I am. A conversation in a forum such as this is not a scholarly venue. I can present my conclusions, but not the ten year process (which actually also includes a life time of experience as someone born in Nazi Germany) that got me where I am. So why talk about it at all? Because we are in danger as I write of going down that road again. It may, in fact, be too late. But still there is hope that, somehow, the American people won't walk into a fascist regime as blindly as did the German people. The ten steps that Naomi Wolf details are crude. By the time such things happen, it is almost too late. What about the brain washing that passes for education and that leads up to it being possible to fool a whole people into ignoring what is plain to see right in front of their eyes? authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was exactly my feeling. I could smell the set-up and therefore didn't feel like sending her bibliography. She simply asked for references, and it sounds legit enough, nor would a scholar refuse to give it if it were really an honest question. But I did not feel it honest. So I didn't comply, not wishing to be dragged into another fight with a pig in which everyone gets dirty, but the pig likes it. Angela, why would you fear that legitimate references would drag you into a dirty fight? Bhairitu sensed the same thing. So what exactly is it with Judy? You guys know her much better than I do. Can it be as simple as feeling taller when she squashes someone else? It isn't even as *complicated* as that. It's simply not true. Barry (and Bhairitu) know--but won't tell you--that I have a thing about dishonesty. I detest it. I go after it wherever I see it. Anybody who's been on FFL for a while knows this. Barry has been a particular target of mine because he is one of the most dishonest people I've ever encountered. Bhairitu isn't at all constitutionally dishonest like Barry, but he can be intellectually sloppy, and he gets upset when he's caught out. In this case, we had had a discussion in which he'd goofed badly, so he's sore at me. As I explained to you before, I'm deeply suspicious of your scholarly qualifications, because you don't behave like any legitimate scholar I've ever encountered. This isn't the first time by any means that you've evaded giving references for your claims. You made a highly controversial claim. You should expect that folks would want to know the basis for it. Why
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would I smell a fish in your request for sources? Two reasons. Maybe because you called me a Nazi? I *beg* your pardon? Document this, please, before we go any further.
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It was a question, Judy. Did you call me a Nazi? Someone on this forum did. If you did not, then I apologize for even suggesting it. The substantive message underneath is that you did insult me gratuitously on a number of occasions, and I am therefore suspicious of you. I've seen you set others up. I will not document this because it would entail the work of going through past posts. I am going on an impression that I have formed on the basis of your interaction with me and with others. I happen to agree with you on your recent and, possibly, ongoing critique of Vaj, but your manner is still rude and inappropriate. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why would I smell a fish in your request for sources? Two reasons. Maybe because you called me a Nazi? I *beg* your pardon? Document this, please, before we go any further. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: snip I've been arguing and sometimes agreeing with Judy for years so my POV comes with experience. And like Barry, Bhairitu has developed the siddhi of being able to determine why I post what I post without knowing *what* I've posted. For the record Judy, I read the thread. Don't think so... And I was not commenting at all about why you post. Yes, you were. You wrote, Judy is just trying to drag you down and make you waste messages on a reply. That's your tactic, not a why. Do you feel this is your why? I'm really getting tired of your misrepresentations, Bhairitu. Do you want to continue feeling this way?
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TurquoiseB wrote: It's like Lucy sweetly inviting Charley Brown to kick the football. What sane person would believe that Lucy is really going to hold the football for him this time, when for *years* it's always been a setup for someone intent on making him look stupid? Same with Judy's intent. It's pretty much a GIVEN. One doesn't need to know the specifics of it, because as she herself said, the subtle *intent* of her setups come through loud and clear in the written language, just as it would in verbal language. Just as no one sane would believe that Lucy really wants Charley Brown to kick the football, no matter how sweetly she tried to disguise the intent behind the invitation, no one sane who has watched Judy's style over the years would believe that she really wants a real conver- sation when she pretends to be asking for one. She's just setting the victim up for another of her attempts at either belittling them or putting them down or casting doubt on their integrity. That's funny, I was thinking what a fussbudget Judy is becoming these days (some would say she's always been one) and Schultz himself characterized Lucy as a fussbudget. :) So Judy, do you really want to be perceived as a fussbudget? :D
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The first reference I can think of regarding world wars being planned all along would have been Albert Pike, the Freemason, who wrote of it back in the 1800's. But Judy would have dismissed that one out of hand as being wacko conspiracy stuff even if wealthy Europeans valued his advice. Angela Mailander wrote: Why would I smell a fish in your request for sources? Two reasons. Maybe because you called me a Nazi? There is some past history in which you have behaved very badly with me in my estimation, and I was told by others that it isn't personal, that this is just your style of interacting with people. Indeed, I've seen you do it with others, and I don't like it any better when it is directed at them than when it is directed at me. It is simply uncultured behavior and I have no wish to contribute to it in any way. The second reason I hesitated to give you a few names (you asked for historians, not their work) is just because I am a scholar. Giving you a few sources is an utterly inadequate substitute for ten years' worth of scholarly research, and only someone who is not a scholar would even ask such a thing. Giving you just a few names (or sources) leaves me completely open to adverse criticism. If I thought you would actually read some books, then that would be different; I could recommend where you might begin and how you might avoid some of the dead ends I had to explore to get where I am. But I do not get the sense that you wish to engage in any activity that would a) tend to vindicate me, and b) educate yourself. The history of Nazi Germany has been suppressed by American academic historians. There have been a few courageous souls who have published their work anyway, risking their careers and livelihoods. If you really were seriously interested in this question, rather than wanting to dismiss the possibility of conspiracy out of hand without any serious investigation, then I would begin with Gary Allen's The Rockefeller Papers and with Anthony Sutton's Wallstreet and the Rise of Hitler. His Wallstreet and the Bolshevik Revolution would be another good choice. But again, these two men would be a bare bones beginning. You could not draw any hard conclusions based on their work alone. At a minimum, you would not only have to read their books, you'd also have to follow up on all their sources, as I have done. This would be a full-time assignment for a good semester's work. Obviously, I am not under the illusion that you would do this kind of work in order to learn that I am not just talking through my hat. Yet, there is no other way to determine whether or not I am. A conversation in a forum such as this is not a scholarly venue. I can present my conclusions, but not the ten year process (which actually also includes a life time of experience as someone born in Nazi Germany) that got me where I am. So why talk about it at all? Because we are in danger as I write of going down that road again. It may, in fact, be too late. But still there is hope that, somehow, the American people won't walk into a fascist regime as blindly as did the German people. The ten steps that Naomi Wolf details are crude. By the time such things happen, it is almost too late. What about the brain washing that passes for education and that leads up to it being possible to fool a whole people into ignoring what is plain to see right in front of their eyes?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
On Dec 3, 2007, at 2:51 PM, Bhairitu wrote: That's funny, I was thinking what a fussbudget Judy is becoming these days (some would say she's always been one) and Schultz himself characterized Lucy as a fussbudget. :) So Judy, do you really want to be perceived as a fussbudget? :D Too late.
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Yes, she probably would have dismissed him out of hand just because he was a Freemason, which is one reason I didn't bring him up. But the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he also predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened. Would that carry any weight with her? Moreover, he studied at Harvard. Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first reference I can think of regarding world wars being planned all along would have been Albert Pike, the Freemason, who wrote of it back in the 1800's. But Judy would have dismissed that one out of hand as being wacko conspiracy stuff even if wealthy Europeans valued his advice. Angela Mailander wrote: Why would I smell a fish in your request for sources? Two reasons. Maybe because you called me a Nazi? There is some past history in which you have behaved very badly with me in my estimation, and I was told by others that it isn't personal, that this is just your style of interacting with people. Indeed, I've seen you do it with others, and I don't like it any better when it is directed at them than when it is directed at me. It is simply uncultured behavior and I have no wish to contribute to it in any way. The second reason I hesitated to give you a few names (you asked for historians, not their work) is just because I am a scholar. Giving you a few sources is an utterly inadequate substitute for ten years' worth of scholarly research, and only someone who is not a scholar would even ask such a thing. Giving you just a few names (or sources) leaves me completely open to adverse criticism. If I thought you would actually read some books, then that would be different; I could recommend where you might begin and how you might avoid some of the dead ends I had to explore to get where I am. But I do not get the sense that you wish to engage in any activity that would a) tend to vindicate me, and b) educate yourself. The history of Nazi Germany has been suppressed by American academic historians. There have been a few courageous souls who have published their work anyway, risking their careers and livelihoods. If you really were seriously interested in this question, rather than wanting to dismiss the possibility of conspiracy out of hand without any serious investigation, then I would begin with Gary Allen's The Rockefeller Papers and with Anthony Sutton's Wallstreet and the Rise of Hitler. His Wallstreet and the Bolshevik Revolution would be another good choice. But again, these two men would be a bare bones beginning. You could not draw any hard conclusions based on their work alone. At a minimum, you would not only have to read their books, you'd also have to follow up on all their sources, as I have done. This would be a full-time assignment for a good semester's work. Obviously, I am not under the illusion that you would do this kind of work in order to learn that I am not just talking through my hat. Yet, there is no other way to determine whether or not I am. A conversation in a forum such as this is not a scholarly venue. I can present my conclusions, but not the ten year process (which actually also includes a life time of experience as someone born in Nazi Germany) that got me where I am. So why talk about it at all? Because we are in danger as I write of going down that road again. It may, in fact, be too late. But still there is hope that, somehow, the American people won't walk into a fascist regime as blindly as did the German people. The ten steps that Naomi Wolf details are crude. By the time such things happen, it is almost too late. What about the brain washing that passes for education and that leads up to it being possible to fool a whole people into ignoring what is plain to see right in front of their eyes? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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On Dec 3, 2007, at 3:24 PM, Angela Mailander wrote: Yes, she probably would have dismissed him out of hand just because he was a Freemason, which is one reason I didn't bring him up. But the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he also predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened. Would that carry any weight with her? Moreover, he studied at Harvard. He also was one of the most blatant plagiarizers I've read. He lifted whole sections of English translation (from the French) of Eliphas Levi, among others. It's only in the last decade or so that we have several scholarly and impeccable biographies and studies on Pike.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
But the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he also predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened. He sounds like quite a guy. Very few outsiders know about the intimate plans of Albert Pike and the architects of the New World Order. In the 19th Century Albert Pike established a framework for bringing about the One World Order. . More than a hundred years ago, a known Satanist and leading Freemason may have anticipated the recent events in London. Albert Pike's plan was to foment three world wars with the third and final war opening the way for the introduction of a new global faith, a religion that would have Lucifer as its idol. Diabolically inspired, Pike's vision was to pit Muslim's against Jews and Christians across the planet and with the outrages in London, and the media's portrayal of elements of Islam as extremist, one has to wonder whether we are not seeing Pike's plan come to pass. After all, investigations into the atrocities are being led by some of Britain's top policemen many of whom are thought to be Freemasons. Indeed, membership and participation in Freemasonry is considered the prime criteria in promotion in Britain's police force. Could they be following a plan first outlined by modern Freemasonry's founder, Albert Pike? Given this, and the fact that Britain has seen a massive influx of various faiths and races, could this indeed be the first sparks of what is intended to be a global conflagration? We leave you to decide... ... In 1869, he [Pike] was a top leader in the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. Pike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult, and he apparently possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer, with whom he had constant communication. He was the Grand Master of a Luciferian group known as the Order of the Palladium (or Sovereign Council of Wisdom), which had been founded in Paris in 1737. Palladism had been brought to Greece from Egypt by Pythagoras in the fifth century, and it was this cult of Satan that was introduced to the inner circle of the Masonic lodges. It was aligned with the Palladium of the Templars. In 1801, Issac Long, a Jew, brought a statue of Baphomet (Satan) to Charleston, South Carolina, where he helped to establish the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite. Long apparently chose Charleston because it was geographically located on the 33rd parallel of latitude (incidentally, so is Baghdad), and this council is considered to be the Mother Supreme Council of all Masonic Lodges of the World. Pike was Long's successor, and he changed the name of the Order to the New and Reformed Palladian Rite (or Reformed Palladium). .. Pike's right-hand man was Phileas Walder, from Switzerland, who was a former Lutheran minister, a Masonic leader, occultist, and spiritualist. Pike also worked closely with Giusseppe Mazzini of Italy (1805-1872) who was a 33rd degree Mason, who became head of the Illuminati in 1834, and who founded the Mafia in 1860. Together with Mazzini, Lord Henry Palmerston of England (1784-1865, 33rd degree Mason), and Otto von Bismarck from Germany (1815-1898, 33rd degree Mason), Albert Pike intended to use the Palladian Rite to create a Satanic umbrella group that would tie all Masonic groups together. ... Adam Weishaupt (1748 - 1811) formed the Order of Perfectibilists on May 1, 1776 (to this day celebrated as May Day throughout many western countries), which later became known as the Illuminati, a secret society whose name means Enlightened Ones. Although the Order was founded to provide an opportunity for the free exchange of ideas, Weishaupt's background as a Jesuit seems to have influenced the actual character of the society, such that the express aim of this Order became to abolish Christianity, and overturn all civil government. An Italian revolutionary leader, Giusseppe Mazzini (1805-1872), a 33rd degree Mason, was selected by the Illuminati to head their worldwide operations in 1834. (Mazzini also founded the Mafia in 1860). Because of Mazzini's revolutionary activities in Europe, the Bavarian government cracked down on the Illuminati and other secret societies for allegedly plotting a massive overthrow of Europe's monarchies. As the secrets of the Illuminati were revealed, they were persecuted and eventually disbanded, only to re-establish themselves in the depths of other organizations, of which Freemasonry was one. During his leadership, Mazzini enticed Albert Pike into the (now formally disbanded, but still operating) Illuminati. Pike was fascinated by the idea of a one world government, and when asked by Mazzini, readily agreed to write a ritual tome that guided the transition from average high-ranking mason into a top-ranking Illuminati mason (33rd degree). Since Mazzini also wanted Pike to head the Illuminati's American chapter, he clearly felt Pike was worthy of such a task. Mazzini's intention was that once a mason had made his way up the
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He was a Satanist, but it should be noted that to him, Lucifer, as the name says, was the Prince of Light who was on the side of mankind, while the Old Testament god seemed cruel and evil to him--Blake would have agreed. The Old Testament god is forever smiting folks for no good reason. Be that as it may, Pike was certainly not a boring character. One of the problems with history as taught by the academic establishment is that they give you the impression that wars are fought to defeat nations. Wars, instead, are planned and fought to create certain conditions. new.morning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he also predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened. He sounds like quite a guy. Very few outsiders know about the intimate plans of Albert Pike and the architects of the New World Order. In the 19th Century Albert Pike established a framework for bringing about the One World Order. . More than a hundred years ago, a known Satanist and leading Freemason may have anticipated the recent events in London. Albert Pike's plan was to foment three world wars with the third and final war opening the way for the introduction of a new global faith, a religion that would have Lucifer as its idol. Diabolically inspired, Pike's vision was to pit Muslim's against Jews and Christians across the planet and with the outrages in London, and the media's portrayal of elements of Islam as extremist, one has to wonder whether we are not seeing Pike's plan come to pass. After all, investigations into the atrocities are being led by some of Britain's top policemen many of whom are thought to be Freemasons. Indeed, membership and participation in Freemasonry is considered the prime criteria in promotion in Britain's police force. Could they be following a plan first outlined by modern Freemasonry's founder, Albert Pike? Given this, and the fact that Britain has seen a massive influx of various faiths and races, could this indeed be the first sparks of what is intended to be a global conflagration? We leave you to decide... ... In 1869, he [Pike] was a top leader in the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. Pike was said to be a Satanist, who indulged in the occult, and he apparently possessed a bracelet which he used to summon Lucifer, with whom he had constant communication. He was the Grand Master of a Luciferian group known as the Order of the Palladium (or Sovereign Council of Wisdom), which had been founded in Paris in 1737. Palladism had been brought to Greece from Egypt by Pythagoras in the fifth century, and it was this cult of Satan that was introduced to the inner circle of the Masonic lodges. It was aligned with the Palladium of the Templars. In 1801, Issac Long, a Jew, brought a statue of Baphomet (Satan) to Charleston, South Carolina, where he helped to establish the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite. Long apparently chose Charleston because it was geographically located on the 33rd parallel of latitude (incidentally, so is Baghdad), and this council is considered to be the Mother Supreme Council of all Masonic Lodges of the World. Pike was Long's successor, and he changed the name of the Order to the New and Reformed Palladian Rite (or Reformed Palladium). .. Pike's right-hand man was Phileas Walder, from Switzerland, who was a former Lutheran minister, a Masonic leader, occultist, and spiritualist. Pike also worked closely with Giusseppe Mazzini of Italy (1805-1872) who was a 33rd degree Mason, who became head of the Illuminati in 1834, and who founded the Mafia in 1860. Together with Mazzini, Lord Henry Palmerston of England (1784-1865, 33rd degree Mason), and Otto von Bismarck from Germany (1815-1898, 33rd degree Mason), Albert Pike intended to use the Palladian Rite to create a Satanic umbrella group that would tie all Masonic groups together. ... Adam Weishaupt (1748 - 1811) formed the Order of Perfectibilists on May 1, 1776 (to this day celebrated as May Day throughout many western countries), which later became known as the Illuminati, a secret society whose name means Enlightened Ones. Although the Order was founded to provide an opportunity for the free exchange of ideas, Weishaupt's background as a Jesuit seems to have influenced the actual character of the society, such that the express aim of this Order became to abolish Christianity, and overturn all civil government. An Italian revolutionary leader, Giusseppe Mazzini (1805-1872), a 33rd degree Mason, was selected by the Illuminati to head their worldwide operations in 1834. (Mazzini also founded the Mafia in 1860). Because of Mazzini's revolutionary activities in Europe, the Bavarian government cracked down on the Illuminati and other secret societies for allegedly plotting a massive overthrow of Europe's monarchies. As
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
We're all here, Bharat2. And you're here too; after Delia kicked your but over on Usenet. Bhairitu wrote: She didn't kick my but. Whipped it; whipped it good. Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Delia Date: Sun, Sep 26 2004 2:44 pm Subject: Re: Neocon delusions http://tinyurl.com/ys3spw
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
On Dec 3, 2007, at 4:41 PM, new.morning wrote: But the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he also predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened. He sounds like quite a guy. Most of the stuff you read would technically, from the point of view of Masonic scholars, be considered Anti-Masonry. There was even a prominent political movement at one time in USA (particularly prominent in my native Pennsylvania) called the Anti-Masonry Party. IIRC they even almost got someone into the White House. Masonic scholarship is no longer some fringe thing and we now even have several endowed chairs of Masonic research in Europe and in the British Isles not to mention private and public Masonic research societies. And to that caliber of scholarship, unless there's something serious I missed in my reading of Pike's manuscripts, his popular written works and final ritual, it would be considered BS. But then I'm not a big AASR Southern Jurisdiction fan or a Pike fan (I'm from the Northern Jurisdiction, we're more sattvic :-)). They're all modern rites, not truly ancient. If you want to know real old Speculative Masonry, you go to the Ancient York Rite, not the Scottish one.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
Any time you have secret societies, especially societies in which the higher you go in rank, the more secretive things are, it is impossible to know what is really going on. The public work is for sure not all there is. Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 3, 2007, at 4:41 PM, new.morning wrote: But the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he also predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened. He sounds like quite a guy. Most of the stuff you read would technically, from the point of view of Masonic scholars, be considered Anti-Masonry. There was even a prominent political movement at one time in USA (particularly prominent in my native Pennsylvania) called the Anti-Masonry Party. IIRC they even almost got someone into the White House. Masonic scholarship is no longer some fringe thing and we now even have several endowed chairs of Masonic research in Europe and in the British Isles not to mention private and public Masonic research societies. And to that caliber of scholarship, unless there's something serious I missed in my reading of Pike's manuscripts, his popular written works and final ritual, it would be considered BS. But then I'm not a big AASR Southern Jurisdiction fan or a Pike fan (I'm from the Northern Jurisdiction, we're more sattvic :-)). They're all modern rites, not truly ancient. If you want to know real old Speculative Masonry, you go to the Ancient York Rite, not the Scottish one. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It was a question, Judy. Did you call me a Nazi? No, that wasn't your question. It appeared to be rhetorical, and it *assumed* I'd called you a Nazi. Here's what you asked: Why would I smell a fish in your request for sources? Two reasons. Maybe because you called me a Nazi? Someone on this forum did. If you did not, then I apologize for even suggesting it. I'm on record as being vehemently opposed to trivializing the term and all the awful baggage it carries by using it as a casual insult. I accept your apology, thank you. But I wish you hadn't tried to wiggle out of having made the accusation. I'll get back to the rest of your earlier post in a bit.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
On Dec 3, 2007, at 5:18 PM, Vaj wrote: Anti-Masonry Party Oops, The Anti-Masonic Party, my faux pas.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
Former Forbes journalist Benjamin Fulford with David Rockefeller: http://freedomvideo.org/blog/?p=521 How We Would Fight China (overview of military strategies): http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200506/kaplan UK Department of Defense Document on strategic trends 2007-2036. Bet there is a US one too, bet it is classified. 6 MB: http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/articles/strat_trends_23jan07.pdf Angela Mailander wrote: Any time you have secret societies, especially societies in which the higher you go in rank, the more secretive things are, it is impossible to know what is really going on. The public work is for sure not all there is. Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 3, 2007, at 4:41 PM, new.morning wrote: But the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he also predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened. He sounds like quite a guy. Most of the stuff you read would technically, from the point of view of Masonic scholars, be considered Anti-Masonry. There was even a prominent political movement at one time in USA (particularly prominent in my native Pennsylvania) called the Anti-Masonry Party. IIRC they even almost got someone into the White House. Masonic scholarship is no longer some fringe thing and we now even have several endowed chairs of Masonic research in Europe and in the British Isles not to mention private and public Masonic research societies. And to that caliber of scholarship, unless there's something serious I missed in my reading of Pike's manuscripts, his popular written works and final ritual, it would be considered BS. But then I'm not a big AASR Southern Jurisdiction fan or a Pike fan (I'm from the Northern Jurisdiction, we're more sattvic :-)). They're all modern rites, not truly ancient. If you want to know real old Speculative Masonry, you go to the Ancient York Rite, not the Scottish one. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
Well, Bhairitu, that was certainly the most interesting interview I've seen lately. How to assess the reality status of a media event like that is more than an ordinary mortal like me can fathom. What is really going on on this planet in a moment of apparent crisis? Real or imagined? Judy seems to know. Do you? Where is the truth to be found? If the thing can be taken at face value, then it is good news, ai'nt it? Unless of course those evil dudes are right: we're herd animals and herds need to be culled. If there's foxes and a thousand other elil making sure the rabbit population stays in healthy balance, fine. But who's gonna do it for us if not us? Right? Is that their thinking? Put yourself in Rocky's place: what would your thinking be, assuming he wants to rule well, yet he means to rule. His ultimate aim would have to be to keep this planet and this world healthy enough to continue to bear our lives in perpetuity? Does he likely have information not accessible to us? Judy seems to think government can't keep a secret. Well, that would depend on the social organization of warren, wouldn't it? On the other hand, the available evidence does not rule out ANY point of view or ANY possibility, including Bronte's (I hope she's lurking). In that case, of course, we're still herd animals, and they're the elil, well, that would be a whole 'nother story, wouldn't it? According to the Disclosure Project we're supposed to believe in space aliens. And are they friendly? Well, whose story about that would you trust? Have you read Watership Down? It's truly one of the immortal books of the 20th century. Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Former Forbes journalist Benjamin Fulford with David Rockefeller: http://freedomvideo.org/blog/?p=521 How We Would Fight China (overview of military strategies): http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200506/kaplan UK Department of Defense Document on strategic trends 2007-2036. Bet there is a US one too, bet it is classified. 6 MB: http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/articles/strat_trends_23jan07.pdf Angela Mailander wrote: Any time you have secret societies, especially societies in which the higher you go in rank, the more secretive things are, it is impossible to know what is really going on. The public work is for sure not all there is. Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 3, 2007, at 4:41 PM, new.morning wrote: But the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he also predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened. He sounds like quite a guy. Most of the stuff you read would technically, from the point of view of Masonic scholars, be considered Anti-Masonry. There was even a prominent political movement at one time in USA (particularly prominent in my native Pennsylvania) called the Anti-Masonry Party. IIRC they even almost got someone into the White House. Masonic scholarship is no longer some fringe thing and we now even have several endowed chairs of Masonic research in Europe and in the British Isles not to mention private and public Masonic research societies. And to that caliber of scholarship, unless there's something serious I missed in my reading of Pike's manuscripts, his popular written works and final ritual, it would be considered BS. But then I'm not a big AASR Southern Jurisdiction fan or a Pike fan (I'm from the Northern Jurisdiction, we're more sattvic :-)). They're all modern rites, not truly ancient. If you want to know real old Speculative Masonry, you go to the Ancient York Rite, not the Scottish one. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
Thank you for bringing this to FFL. I have been following Fulford ever since Makow introduced him on his savethemales site. I did not realize this was available. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Former Forbes journalist Benjamin Fulford with David Rockefeller: http://freedomvideo.org/blog/?p=521 How We Would Fight China (overview of military strategies): http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200506/kaplan UK Department of Defense Document on strategic trends 2007-2036. Bet there is a US one too, bet it is classified. 6 MB: http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.com/articles/strat_trends_23jan07.p df Angela Mailander wrote: Any time you have secret societies, especially societies in which the higher you go in rank, the more secretive things are, it is impossible to know what is really going on. The public work is for sure not all there is. Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 3, 2007, at 4:41 PM, new.morning wrote: But the thing about Pike is that not only did he predict WWIII, he also predicted WWI and WWII accurately long before they happened. He sounds like quite a guy. Most of the stuff you read would technically, from the point of view of Masonic scholars, be considered Anti-Masonry. There was even a prominent political movement at one time in USA (particularly prominent in my native Pennsylvania) called the Anti-Masonry Party. IIRC they even almost got someone into the White House. Masonic scholarship is no longer some fringe thing and we now even have several endowed chairs of Masonic research in Europe and in the British Isles not to mention private and public Masonic research societies. And to that caliber of scholarship, unless there's something serious I missed in my reading of Pike's manuscripts, his popular written works and final ritual, it would be considered BS. But then I'm not a big AASR Southern Jurisdiction fan or a Pike fan (I'm from the Northern Jurisdiction, we're more sattvic :-)). They're all modern rites, not truly ancient. If you want to know real old Speculative Masonry, you go to the Ancient York Rite, not the Scottish one. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
I've believed for years that the planet is overpopulated for it's resources. In many ways humanity, like a growth on a human body, is like an infestation on the planet earth. It is most likely that nature herself will put (or is putting) forth forces to cull the population. If she doesn't there are certainly more humane methods to bringing the human population down over a period of time. There's where I differ with the supposed elite who want to cull humanity through war, disease and eugenics. I also believe that when you have overpopulation the only way you can make sure that nobody falls through the cracks is to have a certain degree of socialism, a safety net so to speak. Capitalism is just too much of a sink or swim situation and many will drown in such a system. We're all not made to be entrepreneurs. But I also say let those with such inclinations explore them but only to a a limited degree not the absurd accumulation of wealth we see with a tiny portion of the earth's population. The US consumes 25% of the world's resources yet we are only 7% of the world's population. Balance needs to be restored and it won't be pretty. On Black Friday as I wandered through the local Fry's superstore I wondered where all these people whose carts were filled to the brim and were lined up so deep it would take two hours for them to check out, where were they getting the money to buy these things? My bet is most were spending income that is supposed to be there the next couple of years. That might turn out to have been a bad gamble. One of the theories regarding 9/11 is that there is a war going on within the US military. Two opposing factions are waring with each other and 9/11 was part of the war game gone out of control. That would mean we have an unstable military and certainly foreign countries would be aware of it. It is also theorized that the B-52 with the nukes that flew across the country a couple months back was destined to use those in Iraq and there was a mutiny over it (some crew members wound up having accidents.). That too might be a clue if there is such a thing going on. And I don't think it would be hard to keep it somewhat secret and what slips out seems so far fetched people don't pass it on. They just think their relative in the military is telling them a big one. In the Atlantic article the author mentions he was told about the Afghanistan war back in 1999. I too heard through a friend that his cousin in Navy intelligence said there was a war planned there at that time too. Don't forget too that a Pentagon study released a couple years ago that said that cold would drive populations from the more northerly areas of the earth. That would really cause some problems. Imagines the North American hordes invading South America? I never read Watership Down. May have seen the video but that would have been years ago. So much to read, so much to see, so much to do, so little time. Angela Mailander wrote: Well, Bhairitu, that was certainly the most interesting interview I've seen lately. How to assess the reality status of a media event like that is more than an ordinary mortal like me can fathom. What is really going on on this planet in a moment of apparent crisis? Real or imagined? Judy seems to know. Do you? Where is the truth to be found? If the thing can be taken at face value, then it is good news, ai'nt it? Unless of course those evil dudes are right: we're herd animals and herds need to be culled. If there's foxes and a thousand other elil making sure the rabbit population stays in healthy balance, fine. But who's gonna do it for us if not us? Right? Is that their thinking? Put yourself in Rocky's place: what would your thinking be, assuming he wants to rule well, yet he means to rule. His ultimate aim would have to be to keep this planet and this world healthy enough to continue to bear our lives in perpetuity? Does he likely have information not accessible to us? Judy seems to think government can't keep a secret. Well, that would depend on the social organization of warren, wouldn't it? On the other hand, the available evidence does not rule out ANY point of view or ANY possibility, including Bronte's (I hope she's lurking). In that case, of course, we're still herd animals, and they're the elil, well, that would be a whole 'nother story, wouldn't it? According to the Disclosure Project we're supposed to believe in space aliens. And are they friendly? Well, whose story about that would you trust? Have you read Watership Down? It's truly one of the immortal books of the 20th century. Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Former Forbes journalist Benjamin Fulford with David Rockefeller: http://freedomvideo.org/blog/?p=521 How We Would Fight China (overview of military strategies):
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
Richard J. Williams wrote: We're all here, Bharat2. And you're here too; after Delia kicked your but over on Usenet. Bhairitu wrote: She didn't kick my but. Whipped it; whipped it good. Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Delia Date: Sun, Sep 26 2004 2:44 pm Subject: Re: Neocon delusions http://tinyurl.com/ys3spw Nope, all I did was ask a question in that thread. I wonder if Delia actually voted for Bush in 2004 and if so really regrets it now?
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Samadhi Is Much Closer Than You Think -- Really! -- It's A No-Brainer. Who'd've Thunk It?
In the Atlantic article the author mentions he was told about the Afghanistan war back in 1999. I too heard through a friend that his cousin in Navy intelligence said there was a war planned there at that time too. For many years, at least since the lordly reign of the honorable presumptudunce, Lord RayGun, I have consistently heard from Marines and Sailors that we were planning for war in Iraq, despite Iran being more forefront on our burners back in the day of Ronnie the Dissociative. And once Bubba de Elvis was in orifice, vitriolic convulsions of hatred and contempt erupted from Marines and Sailors about that god damned mother-f'ing liberal be done away with immediately and that his presence in the W'haus was interfering with their imperative to wipe out them sand-[dwellers] over there. Every time I witnessed such demented tantrum-addicts over more than two decades I was substantially confused that we could have so many emotionally and morally disequpoised grunts, both in our species and in our military, Ooogha Mooogha. Some were so demonstrably vicious you knew in the core of your being that they'd be the first to jump at an opportunity to 'ssinate the '92 - 2K commander. These were not a few I witnessed this from, they numbered in the hundreds. Don't forget too that a Pentagon study released a couple years ago that said that cold would drive populations from the more northerly areas of the earth. That would really cause some problems. Imagines the North American hordes invading South America? Perhaps South America, though generally equitorial climates. In the future the North Pacific will particularly be frozen, though I don't know yet how far into the future that will be nor for how long. I also believe that when you have overpopulation the only way you can make sure that nobody falls through the cracks is to have a certain degree of socialism, a safety net so to speak. Capitalism is just too much of a sink or swim situation and many will drown in such a system. We're all not made to be entrepreneurs. But I also say let those with such inclinations explore them but only to a a limited degree not the absurd accumulation of wealth we see with a tiny portion of the earth's population. This may be a worthy asset while exploring such options: http://EconomicDemocracy.shows.it/ On 12/3/07, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've believed for years that the planet is overpopulated for it's resources. In many ways humanity, like a growth on a human body, is like an infestation on the planet earth. It is most likely that nature herself will put (or is putting) forth forces to cull the population. If she doesn't there are certainly more humane methods to bringing the human population down over a period of time. There's where I differ with the supposed elite who want to cull humanity through war, disease and eugenics. I also believe that when you have overpopulation the only way you can make sure that nobody falls through the cracks is to have a certain degree of socialism, a safety net so to speak. Capitalism is just too much of a sink or swim situation and many will drown in such a system. We're all not made to be entrepreneurs. But I also say let those with such inclinations explore them but only to a a limited degree not the absurd accumulation of wealth we see with a tiny portion of the earth's population. The US consumes 25% of the world's resources yet we are only 7% of the world's population. Balance needs to be restored and it won't be pretty. On Black Friday as I wandered through the local Fry's superstore I wondered where all these people whose carts were filled to the brim and were lined up so deep it would take two hours for them to check out, where were they getting the money to buy these things? My bet is most were spending income that is supposed to be there the next couple of years. That might turn out to have been a bad gamble. One of the theories regarding 9/11 is that there is a war going on within the US military. Two opposing factions are waring with each other and 9/11 was part of the war game gone out of control. That would mean we have an unstable military and certainly foreign countries would be aware of it. It is also theorized that the B-52 with the nukes that flew across the country a couple months back was destined to use those in Iraq and there was a mutiny over it (some crew members wound up having accidents.). That too might be a clue if there is such a thing going on. And I don't think it would be hard to keep it somewhat secret and what slips out seems so far fetched people don't pass it on. They just think their relative in the military is telling them a big one. In the Atlantic article the author mentions he was told about the Afghanistan war back in 1999. I too heard through a friend that his cousin in Navy intelligence said there was a war planned there at that time too.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, all I did was ask a question in that thread. I wonder if Delia actually voted for Bush in 2004 and if so really regrets it now? Well, he hasn't made Beltane a national holiday and given a tax break to witches, so I'd be willing to bet that she's not a fan. :-) What we need to do is get her together with Off. She's the only person I've ever encountered on the Internet who knows less than he does about martial arts while claiming to be knowledgeable. We could set up a demonstration given by the two of them of ass kicking. We'd take the ass -- with- out legs or a torso or anything, and hang it about three feet off the ground in a stationary position. Then the idea of the demo is that they try to kick ass, with no one trying to stop them. My bet is that it would take either of them a week to find the ass with both hands, much less kick it. They just *personify* Curtis' term Jaw Jitsu.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
My bibliography is about twenty-five pages. How much of it do you want? authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Which historians were these, Angela? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My bibliography is about twenty-five pages. How much of it do you want? Oh, let's say five of those you consider the most authoritative. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: snip A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Which historians were these, Angela?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what would such a list do for you, or for my credibility, since any idiot can copy someone else's bibliography? But not any idiot would know which names from that bibliography are the most authoritative. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: My bibliography is about twenty-five pages. How much of it do you want? Oh, let's say five of those you consider the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: snip A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Which historians were these, Angela? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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And what would such a list do for you, or for my credibility, since any idiot can copy someone else's bibliography? authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My bibliography is about twenty-five pages. How much of it do you want? Oh, let's say five of those you consider the most authoritative. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: snip A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Which historians were these, Angela? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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In whose judgment? authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what would such a list do for you, or for my credibility, since any idiot can copy someone else's bibliography? But not any idiot would know which names from that bibliography are the most authoritative. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: My bibliography is about twenty-five pages. How much of it do you want? Oh, let's say five of those you consider the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: snip A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Which historians were these, Angela? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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Actually, Judy, any idiot can determine which names in a bibliography are the most authoritative. Pick up ten books on the same subject, check out the bibliography, and note which names are repeated, which names are quoted by everyone who thinks he's got something to say on a given subject. And what would it do for you if I named five or six European historians. Would you then know that I told the truth? I don't think so. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what would such a list do for you, or for my credibility, since any idiot can copy someone else's bibliography? But not any idiot would know which names from that bibliography are the most authoritative. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: My bibliography is about twenty-five pages. How much of it do you want? Oh, let's say five of those you consider the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: snip A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Which historians were these, Angela? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
Personally, I think you two gals should suck Delia into this discussion. Then *three* of you could play my dick is longer than yours. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, Judy, any idiot can determine which names in a bibliography are the most authoritative. Pick up ten books on the same subject, check out the bibliography, and note which names are repeated, which names are quoted by everyone who thinks he's got something to say on a given subject. And what would it do for you if I named five or six European historians. Would you then know that I told the truth? I don't think so. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: And what would such a list do for you, or for my credibility, since any idiot can copy someone else's bibliography? But not any idiot would know which names from that bibliography are the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: My bibliography is about twenty-five pages. How much of it do you want? Oh, let's say five of those you consider the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: snip A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Which historians were these, Angela? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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You are right. I'm outa this discussion. TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I think you two gals should suck Delia into this discussion. Then *three* of you could play my dick is longer than yours. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, Judy, any idiot can determine which names in a bibliography are the most authoritative. Pick up ten books on the same subject, check out the bibliography, and note which names are repeated, which names are quoted by everyone who thinks he's got something to say on a given subject. And what would it do for you if I named five or six European historians. Would you then know that I told the truth? I don't think so. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: And what would such a list do for you, or for my credibility, since any idiot can copy someone else's bibliography? But not any idiot would know which names from that bibliography are the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: My bibliography is about twenty-five pages. How much of it do you want? Oh, let's say five of those you consider the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: snip A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Which historians were these, Angela? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In whose judgment? I'm asking you to provide the names of five European historians from your 25-page bibliography who, in *your* judgment, are the most authoritative with regard to the claim that a third war was planned all along. What is confusing to you about that request? authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: And what would such a list do for you, or for my credibility, since any idiot can copy someone else's bibliography? But not any idiot would know which names from that bibliography are the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: My bibliography is about twenty-five pages. How much of it do you want? Oh, let's say five of those you consider the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: snip A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Which historians were these, Angela?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, Judy, any idiot can determine which names in a bibliography are the most authoritative. Pick up ten books on the same subject, check out the bibliography, and note which names are repeated, which names are quoted by everyone who thinks he's got something to say on a given subject. Well, if an idiot can do it, surely you can as well. And what would it do for you if I named five or six European historians. Would you then know that I told the truth? I don't think so. I could certainly find out of you had told the truth about there being European historians who claim a third war was planned all along. You're stalling, Angela. Let's have the names, please. Asking a scholar for documentation of claims is pretty standard, and any legitimate scholar would be more than happy to provide it. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: And what would such a list do for you, or for my credibility, since any idiot can copy someone else's bibliography? But not any idiot would know which names from that bibliography are the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: My bibliography is about twenty-five pages. How much of it do you want? Oh, let's say five of those you consider the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: snip A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Which historians were these, Angela?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I think you two gals should suck Delia into this discussion. Then *three* of you could play my dick is longer than yours. You're a little confused. I haven't claimed to be a scholar. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: Actually, Judy, any idiot can determine which names in a bibliography are the most authoritative. Pick up ten books on the same subject, check out the bibliography, and note which names are repeated, which names are quoted by everyone who thinks he's got something to say on a given subject. And what would it do for you if I named five or six European historians. Would you then know that I told the truth? I don't think so. authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: And what would such a list do for you, or for my credibility, since any idiot can copy someone else's bibliography? But not any idiot would know which names from that bibliography are the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: My bibliography is about twenty-five pages. How much of it do you want? Oh, let's say five of those you consider the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: snip A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Which historians were these, Angela? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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My major source is E. R. Carmin. I also like Quina von Brackenhausen, Gerda Hagenau, and a few others--do you read German or French? But here's something everyone might find interesting: Bill Moyers: The Secret Government http://nhnecommunity.ning.com/video/video/show?id=650220%3AVideo%3A13924 authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, Judy, any idiot can determine which names in a bibliography are the most authoritative. Pick up ten books on the same subject, check out the bibliography, and note which names are repeated, which names are quoted by everyone who thinks he's got something to say on a given subject. Well, if an idiot can do it, surely you can as well. And what would it do for you if I named five or six European historians. Would you then know that I told the truth? I don't think so. I could certainly find out of you had told the truth about there being European historians who claim a third war was planned all along. You're stalling, Angela. Let's have the names, please. Asking a scholar for documentation of claims is pretty standard, and any legitimate scholar would be more than happy to provide it. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: And what would such a list do for you, or for my credibility, since any idiot can copy someone else's bibliography? But not any idiot would know which names from that bibliography are the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: My bibliography is about twenty-five pages. How much of it do you want? Oh, let's say five of those you consider the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: snip A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Which historians were these, Angela? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are right. I'm outa this discussion. Just for the record, Angela, *you* started the discussion. I just asked for five names from your 25-page bibliography to document your claim about the European historians who said a third war was planned all along. The discussion has been about your reluctance to do so. Which, as far as I'm concerned, tells me everything I need to know about your pretensions to being a scholar. TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I think you two gals should suck Delia into this discussion. Then *three* of you could play my dick is longer than yours. :-) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: Actually, Judy, any idiot can determine which names in a bibliography are the most authoritative. Pick up ten books on the same subject, check out the bibliography, and note which names are repeated, which names are quoted by everyone who thinks he's got something to say on a given subject. And what would it do for you if I named five or six European historians. Would you then know that I told the truth? I don't think so. authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: And what would such a list do for you, or for my credibility, since any idiot can copy someone else's bibliography? But not any idiot would know which names from that bibliography are the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: My bibliography is about twenty-five pages. How much of it do you want? Oh, let's say five of those you consider the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: snip A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Which historians were these, Angela? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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TurquoiseB wrote: Personally, I think you two gals should suck Delia into this discussion. Then *three* of you could play my dick is longer than yours. :-) Is Delia hanging out here? I haven't seen any posts from her yet. Maybe we should get into a veganism war. :)
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Angela, Judy is just trying to drag you down and make you waste messages on a reply. Just walk away. Many of us here have read or heard the information you cite regarding that WWII was planned (and also a WWIII). I'm not going to waste my time on looking up stuff for someone on the net unless I already have at my fingertips. Sometimes I hear things while I'm driving around listing to Air America Radio like a guest on Thom Hartmann or a guest on Alex Jones (who by the way will often post links to his guest web site or book which sometimes Thom fails to do). Sometimes I get information from books that have to be read in their full context or their claim can be easily shot down. And sometimes I read things years ago (40 or more in some cases) and I won't remember the source but I remember what was said. I, over the years have learned to walk away from trollish flame wars because I feel I have proven my point only going a few replies deep into the topic and those who have minds can see I've done so just by reading the thread. It is not at all about having the last word. Angela Mailander wrote: Actually, Judy, any idiot can determine which names in a bibliography are the most authoritative. Pick up ten books on the same subject, check out the bibliography, and note which names are repeated, which names are quoted by everyone who thinks he's got something to say on a given subject. And what would it do for you if I named five or six European historians. Would you then know that I told the truth? I don't think so. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what would such a list do for you, or for my credibility, since any idiot can copy someone else's bibliography? But not any idiot would know which names from that bibliography are the most authoritative. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: My bibliography is about twenty-five pages. How much of it do you want? Oh, let's say five of those you consider the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: snip A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Which historians were these, Angela? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
Frankly, I find myself bewildered that Angela and Judy aren't best buds. Both love the small print. If these two ever stop the cat fight, and if they both get on the same side, the rest of us are doomed -- we'd all be minding our p's and q's a whole notch more attentively. Despite its stink, bullshit is, like musk, sometimes pleasant if mixed into the post in small enough quantities. Between these two, who'd get away with anything ever again if they start a tag-team match against the rest of us? Angela, I am impressed by your history, but like me, you do like just to say stuff and hope that memory serves enough to not be caught with your facts askew -- I am surprised at how often I have somehow gotten certain facts changed by simply not recalling them regularly enough to top off and freshen them. So far, I think you're delivering some scholarship here, but I do think you're invested in many concepts to the point of being hardwired too much to allow nuancing. But that's just a feeling on my part, don't ask me to sift your posts for why I do have that feeling. I gave over 500 TM first lectures, so I'm a practiced bullshitter, and sometimes I can project that on you, mostly not though. Judy, you're a hard case, like that professor in The Paper Chase -- a good hard, but hardassed too. I don't know why I'm trying to be a shadkhan here, but I do deeply wish you two could have lunch together somedayand do that girly bonding thingy. Bhairitu, I think you're a titch too absolute on your critique of Judy. Barry's attitude needs a two-by-four whacking, and she's got the mojo and motivation.too much in fact, cuz, after kapowing him, geeeze, still she has enough left over for me, and that sucks. Thus, I find myself liking that Barry distracts her to some degree from me! Go Barry! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela, Judy is just trying to drag you down and make you waste messages on a reply. Just walk away. Many of us here have read or heard the information you cite regarding that WWII was planned (and also a WWIII). I'm not going to waste my time on looking up stuff for someone on the net unless I already have at my fingertips. Sometimes I hear things while I'm driving around listing to Air America Radio like a guest on Thom Hartmann or a guest on Alex Jones (who by the way will often post links to his guest web site or book which sometimes Thom fails to do). Sometimes I get information from books that have to be read in their full context or their claim can be easily shot down. And sometimes I read things years ago (40 or more in some cases) and I won't remember the source but I remember what was said. I, over the years have learned to walk away from trollish flame wars because I feel I have proven my point only going a few replies deep into the topic and those who have minds can see I've done so just by reading the thread. It is not at all about having the last word. Angela Mailander wrote: Actually, Judy, any idiot can determine which names in a bibliography are the most authoritative. Pick up ten books on the same subject, check out the bibliography, and note which names are repeated, which names are quoted by everyone who thinks he's got something to say on a given subject. And what would it do for you if I named five or six European historians. Would you then know that I told the truth? I don't think so. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: And what would such a list do for you, or for my credibility, since any idiot can copy someone else's bibliography? But not any idiot would know which names from that bibliography are the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: My bibliography is about twenty-five pages. How much of it do you want? Oh, let's say five of those you consider the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: snip A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Which historians were these, Angela? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela, Judy is just trying to drag you down and make you waste messages on a reply. ROTFL!! All I did was ask her which historians she was referring to. If anything, *she's* wasting messages trying to wiggle out of fulfilling what should have been a simple request. Just walk away. Many of us here have read or heard the information you cite regarding that WWII was planned (and also a WWIII). I'm not going to waste my time on looking up stuff for someone on the net unless I already have at my fingertips. She already *has* it at her fingertips, Bhairitu. You obviously didn't bother reading the post where she claimed to have a 25-page bibliography. You really ought to read the thread before you take sides if you don't want to look supremely foolish. Sometimes I hear things while I'm driving around listing to Air America Radio like a guest on Thom Hartmann or a guest on Alex Jones (who by the way will often post links to his guest web site or book which sometimes Thom fails to do). Sometimes I get information from books that have to be read in their full context or their claim can be easily shot down. And sometimes I read things years ago (40 or more in some cases) and I won't remember the source but I remember what was said. But I don't believe you claim to be a *scholar*, Bhairitu. No scholar would expect a claim to be taken seriously based on such flimsy sourcing. In any case, if this kind of thing is all she's got, she ought to just say so. I think that's probably what you'd do. Instead she waves around her 25- page bibliography but shillies and shallies about citing anything on it. She's now finally managed to cough up three of the five names I asked for (without citations, however), so we'll take it from there. I, over the years have learned to walk away from trollish flame wars because I feel I have proven my point only going a few replies deep into the topic and those who have minds can see I've done so just by reading the thread. It is not at all about having the last word. Again, you just make yourself look foolish. This wasn't that kind of thread (as anyone who had actually read it would know). Really bad showing from you here, Bhairitu. If you want to help Angela out, you need to do a lot better than this.
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Thank you, Bhairitu, I think you're right. It is pointless to enter into a disagreement with Judy. It's certainly the case that a few sources do not tell the story of ten years' worth of research into what makes the 20th century tick. And then, even after ten years of research, I cannot say I'm an expert. My expertise lies (double meaning intended) in literary theory and criticism as forms of epistemology and in philosophy of language. I've developed a language teaching methodology (theory and practice) that's light years ahead of the state of the art. I'm also a dynamite cook and seamstress. And I've made a living (not a great living, mind you, but a living) as a practicing artist. I've got the greenest thumb of anyone I know. Plants talk to me. Beyond that I'm as dumb as the next person, and getting dumber year by year. Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela, Judy is just trying to drag you down and make you waste messages on a reply. Just walk away. Many of us here have read or heard the information you cite regarding that WWII was planned (and also a WWIII). I'm not going to waste my time on looking up stuff for someone on the net unless I already have at my fingertips. Sometimes I hear things while I'm driving around listing to Air America Radio like a guest on Thom Hartmann or a guest on Alex Jones (who by the way will often post links to his guest web site or book which sometimes Thom fails to do). Sometimes I get information from books that have to be read in their full context or their claim can be easily shot down. And sometimes I read things years ago (40 or more in some cases) and I won't remember the source but I remember what was said. I, over the years have learned to walk away from trollish flame wars because I feel I have proven my point only going a few replies deep into the topic and those who have minds can see I've done so just by reading the thread. It is not at all about having the last word. Angela Mailander wrote: Actually, Judy, any idiot can determine which names in a bibliography are the most authoritative. Pick up ten books on the same subject, check out the bibliography, and note which names are repeated, which names are quoted by everyone who thinks he's got something to say on a given subject. And what would it do for you if I named five or six European historians. Would you then know that I told the truth? I don't think so. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what would such a list do for you, or for my credibility, since any idiot can copy someone else's bibliography? But not any idiot would know which names from that bibliography are the most authoritative. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: My bibliography is about twenty-five pages. How much of it do you want? Oh, let's say five of those you consider the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: snip A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Which historians were these, Angela? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Personally, I think you two gals should suck Delia into this discussion. Then *three* of you could play my dick is longer than yours. Is Delia hanging out here? I haven't seen any posts from her yet. Maybe we should get into a veganism war. :) She left two posts about the Davies article, but sometimes she just hits and runs rather than hanging around for discussion. I hope she does come back. Delia is a *real* scholar, though, so I'd happily step aside and watch if she wanted to take on Angela. If somebody asked Delia to cite sources, we'd be quickly buried in them, complete with lengthy quotes (translated from the original language, if necessary) and detailed analysis. And it's really too darn bad that Delia didn't turn up until after Bronte had left. A meeting of those two minds would have been something to see.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you, Bhairitu, I think you're right. It is pointless to enter into a disagreement with Judy. It's certainly the case that a few sources do not tell the story of ten years' worth of research into what makes the 20th century tick. Nobody suggested it was, Angela. Try another straw man. And remember, the disagreement you entered into was whether you were going to respond to my request that you cite your sources. Very odd, for a scholar.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My major source is E. R. Carmin. I also like Quina von Brackenhausen, Gerda Hagenau, and a few others--do you read German or French? Both, with a good dictionary. Thanks for finally coming up with three of the five names I asked for. I'm a little surprised you didn't give citations to the works in question, though; I should think that would have been understood to be part of my request. Can you supply titles, dates, and publishers? But here's something everyone might find interesting: Bill Moyers: The Secret Government http://nhnecommunity.ning.com/video/video/show?id=650220%3AVideo% 3A13924 Moyers isn't exactly a scholar, but he's a very fine journalist, and this is one of his better pieces. I don't believe he says anything in it about a third war having been planned, though, does he?
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Yes, the schoolmarm in me dies hard. Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Frankly, I find myself bewildered that Angela and Judy aren't best buds. Both love the small print. If these two ever stop the cat fight, and if they both get on the same side, the rest of us are doomed -- we'd all be minding our p's and q's a whole notch more attentively. Despite its stink, bullshit is, like musk, sometimes pleasant if mixed into the post in small enough quantities. Between these two, who'd get away with anything ever again if they start a tag-team match against the rest of us? Angela, I am impressed by your history, but like me, you do like just to say stuff and hope that memory serves enough to not be caught with your facts askew -- I am surprised at how often I have somehow gotten certain facts changed by simply not recalling them regularly enough to top off and freshen them. So far, I think you're delivering some scholarship here, but I do think you're invested in many concepts to the point of being hardwired too much to allow nuancing. But that's just a feeling on my part, don't ask me to sift your posts for why I do have that feeling. I gave over 500 TM first lectures, so I'm a practiced bullshitter, and sometimes I can project that on you, mostly not though. Judy, you're a hard case, like that professor in The Paper Chase -- a good hard, but hardassed too. I don't know why I'm trying to be a shadkhan here, but I do deeply wish you two could have lunch together somedayand do that girly bonding thingy. Bhairitu, I think you're a titch too absolute on your critique of Judy. Barry's attitude needs a two-by-four whacking, and she's got the mojo and motivation.too much in fact, cuz, after kapowing him, geeeze, still she has enough left over for me, and that sucks. Thus, I find myself liking that Barry distracts her to some degree from me! Go Barry! Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela, Judy is just trying to drag you down and make you waste messages on a reply. Just walk away. Many of us here have read or heard the information you cite regarding that WWII was planned (and also a WWIII). I'm not going to waste my time on looking up stuff for someone on the net unless I already have at my fingertips. Sometimes I hear things while I'm driving around listing to Air America Radio like a guest on Thom Hartmann or a guest on Alex Jones (who by the way will often post links to his guest web site or book which sometimes Thom fails to do). Sometimes I get information from books that have to be read in their full context or their claim can be easily shot down. And sometimes I read things years ago (40 or more in some cases) and I won't remember the source but I remember what was said. I, over the years have learned to walk away from trollish flame wars because I feel I have proven my point only going a few replies deep into the topic and those who have minds can see I've done so just by reading the thread. It is not at all about having the last word. Angela Mailander wrote: Actually, Judy, any idiot can determine which names in a bibliography are the most authoritative. Pick up ten books on the same subject, check out the bibliography, and note which names are repeated, which names are quoted by everyone who thinks he's got something to say on a given subject. And what would it do for you if I named five or six European historians. Would you then know that I told the truth? I don't think so. authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: And what would such a list do for you, or for my credibility, since any idiot can copy someone else's bibliography? But not any idiot would know which names from that bibliography are the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: snip --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: My bibliography is about twenty-five pages. How much of it do you want? Oh, let's say five of those you consider the most authoritative. authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: snip A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Which historians were these, Angela? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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Duveyoung wrote: Bhairitu, I think you're a titch too absolute on your critique of Judy. I've been arguing and sometimes agreeing with Judy for years so my POV comes with experience.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duveyoung wrote: Bhairitu, I think you're a titch too absolute on your critique of Judy. I've been arguing and sometimes agreeing with Judy for years so my POV comes with experience. And like Barry, Bhairitu has developed the siddhi of being able to determine why I post what I post without knowing *what* I've posted.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
Angela Mailander wrote: My bibliography is about twenty-five pages. How much of it do you want? Just the historians? A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Judy wrote: Which historians were these, Angela?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
So, Alex Jones must have a list of the European historians who say that the war was planned. Bhairava wrote: Sometimes I hear things while I'm driving around listing to Air America Radio like a guest on Thom Hartmann or a guest on Alex Jones (who by the way will often post links to his guest web site or book which sometimes Thom fails to do).
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Yes, just the historians. I started to research the history of the 20th century in 1995. I'd ignored history and politics till then, having had enough of it up to my eyeballs by the time I was 18. It was in the back of my mind, though, because of my friendship with the physics teacher who was an ex SS man, because of my mom's activities as a secret agent for the American occupation army, because of my conversations with my brother-in-law, and because I'd heard European, particularly German, historians and political observers predict the current U.S. scene in the late fifties--which I did not believe at the time. But then in 95 when I heard about American concentration camps for the first time, I had time on my hands and thought it would be cool to get an education in a field in which I knew next to nothing. But, like I said, I do not consider myself an expert in history. Richard J. Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Angela Mailander wrote: My bibliography is about twenty-five pages. How much of it do you want? Just the historians? A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Judy wrote: Which historians were these, Angela? Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
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authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Duveyoung wrote: Bhairitu, I think you're a titch too absolute on your critique of Judy. I've been arguing and sometimes agreeing with Judy for years so my POV comes with experience. And like Barry, Bhairitu has developed the siddhi of being able to determine why I post what I post without knowing *what* I've posted. For the record Judy, I read the thread. And I was not commenting at all about why you post. I was just commenting on the need some people have either consciously or subconsciously to carry on prolongated debates long after the key points have been made.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
Bhairitu wrote: Is Delia hanging out here? I haven't seen any posts from her yet. We're all here, Bharat2. And you're here too; after Delia kicked your but over on Usenet. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/156084 Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental From: Judy Stein Date: Fri, Mar 24 2006 11:18 pm Subject: Re: Delia on the girly manning http://tinyurl.com/2xcmyg willytex wrote: Delia left after she exposed you as a Jew-hater and a Taliban-lover. For the record, it was Judy that cut and ran after that exchange. chortle Judy Stein wrote: Wrong as wrong can be. snicker You weren't around, so how would you know, Troll? heh Wrong as wrong can be, as you know, liar, and everybody else who can read knows now. You really, really need to get some help, Willytex. I'm serious.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Stand up and be counted (George Carlin - Who Really Controls America)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: snip I've been arguing and sometimes agreeing with Judy for years so my POV comes with experience. And like Barry, Bhairitu has developed the siddhi of being able to determine why I post what I post without knowing *what* I've posted. For the record Judy, I read the thread. Don't think so... And I was not commenting at all about why you post. Yes, you were. You wrote, Judy is just trying to drag you down and make you waste messages on a reply. I was just commenting on the need some people have either consciously or subconsciously to carry on prolongated debates long after the key points have been made. This is why I say you didn't read the thread. What you describe hasn't got anything at all to do with what we were discussing. I'm putting the whole thing back in below, ending with Angela's post that you were responding to. Please point out where I asked Angela to find something for me on the Web (your claim in your previous post), or what we were debating, or how anyone was angling to get the last word. Please show how I was trying to drag [her] down and make [her] waste messages on a reply. Nor had any key points been made. You got this all wrong, every bit of it. What this was, was my asking Angela to cite some of her sources for the claim she made, which is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. As I said, if anyone was wasting messages, it was Angela, who apparently felt the need to drag her feet about documenting her claim. I'm really getting tired of your misrepresentations, Bhairitu. Here's the thread: authfriend jstein@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander mailander111@ wrote: A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Which historians were these, Angela? My bibliography is about twenty-five pages. How much of it do you want? Oh, let's say five of those you consider the most authoritative. And what would such a list do for you, or for my credibility, since any idiot can copy someone else's bibliography? But not any idiot would know which names from that bibliography are the most authoritative. Actually, Judy, any idiot can determine which names in a bibliography are the most authoritative. Pick up ten books on the same subject, check out the bibliography, and note which names are repeated, which names are quoted by everyone who thinks he's got something to say on a given subject. And what would it do for you if I named five or six European historians. Would you then know that I told the truth? I don't think so.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Please point out where I asked Angela to find something for me on the Web (your claim in your previous post), Correction: You didn't exactly claim this; rather, you wrote, I'm not going to waste my time on looking up stuff for someone on the net unless I already have at my fingertips--in context, *as if* that's what I had asked Angela to do.
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Richard J. Williams wrote: Bhairitu wrote: Is Delia hanging out here? I haven't seen any posts from her yet. We're all here, Bharat2. And you're here too; after Delia kicked your but over on Usenet. She didn't kick my but. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/156084 And probably buried deep within one of those morphing prolongated threads. :)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But I just don't know what to do with the material at prisonplanet.com -- it's very disturbing data that can be googled, ya know? And have you googled it? Are you aware that PrisonPlanet.com is a *right-wing* site that claims, among other things, that global warming is a hoax? That should give you some idea of how much trust to put in its stories. It has the reputation of being one of the nuttiest conspiracy sites on the Web. Curtis, do you think they've built the camps? If so, why were they built? If you think the camps were not even built and are merely Web myths perpetrated just like the NASA didn't get men on the moon people keep their conspiracies alive, tell me that. The concentration camp stories in PrisonPlanet's archive date from 2003 and earlier, FWIW: http://concentration-camps-us-archive.shows.it From what I've read, it appears that a true but relatively benign story has been conflated with a more sinister one. The former is actually in the works, but there's no evidence that the latter is proceeding. The true story has to do with FEMA's plans to construct large-scale temporary living areas for perhaps thousands of people displaced by disasters such as Katrina or by massive terrorist attacks. This was prompted by the chaos and suffering that occurred among Katrina refugees because no plans had been made to house them. The sinister story was circulating around the time of the invasion of Iraq and had to do with purported plans to create internment camps for U.S. citizens suspected of terrorism. I haven't seen much of anything recently on this, possibly because of the serious constitutional difficulties involved. The size of these camps would have been pretty small, maybe for 100 or so people. It looks to me as though these two stories were confused, giving rise to the rumor of massive camps for detention of citizens in case of civil unrest and the imposition of martial law. Similar rumors were rife during the late '60s and '70s. They're pretty standard fare among conspiracy theorists.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip A third war was planned all along, according to European historians. Which historians were these, Angela?
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authfriend wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But I just don't know what to do with the material at prisonplanet.com -- it's very disturbing data that can be googled, ya know? And have you googled it? Are you aware that PrisonPlanet.com is a *right-wing* site that claims, among other things, that global warming is a hoax? For the record Prison Planet is not right-wing. Alex Jones rails against the right wing. He sees himself more as a constitutional conservative but I would say he is all over the place. He hosts a broad variety of views. There are a lot of libertarians who hang out on the forum there who would bristle if you called them right wing. Righties call up Alex on his show and call him a liberal. On the global warming thing what they are concerned about is the government and large corporations using global warming as a way to control the populace. They're concerned about these initiatives like carbon taxes and all of a sudden a lot of energy companies jumping on the global warming bandwagon. And there are sponsors on his show for natural and organic products, solar energy, water filter products, etc. And a few wacko sounding Christian groups (non religious right) who run adds for their magazines, etc.)
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Will BigBiz arrange for another 9-11... [snip] Duveyoung, go play in traffic on that trikke of your's...
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Watching how the Enron types operated when the S hit the fan is a good example of what I am talking about and that was within one company! I know someone who works on private jets for some of the richest people in the world but I can't claim to rub elbows. They aren't the trusting type was my point. But in DC you can rub elbows with the high profile types if you want to dress for it. Same as other big cities. I've never met a billionaire but know a few millionaires. That isn't saying too much these days is it? My gun question was just a joke. I think you and I have found a comfortable water level to hang out it haven't we? I do own a gun. I bought it when I was married and owned a house. Then I got into shooting as a sport for a while. Very Zen. I haven't shot it in about 15 years so I'm not really into it now. However I do think it is a good idea to have an option if someone invades your home other than how can I help you? I don't believe that personal guns help the Government stay in line. I have seen their guns on TV and they are mighty big! I haven't looked in to the camps thing. With 24 hour news fighting for stories to smoke their competition I find any large scale operation hard to imagine under radar. Even Bush's war buildup came out in extreme detail and that is as high as it goes. My faith is that the balance of antagonism keeps the worst of the worst in check. The system only fails when one side stops fighting like before the Iraq war. That was a dangerous imbalance of this principle IMO. But your general distrust of the money politics enmeshment is something I worry about too. Unless something really good comes on TV! --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: curtisdeltablues wrote: Is it really your experience that high powered, egotistical, big business types can work together in complete trust on a project requiring perfect secrecy, that would get them locked up forever if it failed? Edg: No, I haven't. Thanks for that concept. It is calming. On the other hand, I don't think I've ever met a BigBiz mover and shaker, so maybe those who are really up there in the power structures just don't rub elbows with asses from the masses like me. Maybe that good old boys club has some folks who really can be in cahoots and keep it all secret to the max. I have to admit I am terribly limited in my experiencing of such types. curtisdeltablues wrote: Have you ever found top guys in any field to be trusting and chummy to that level, even if they were as diabolical as would be required. The guys at the top of any field I have seen are contentious with each other and would never trust each other to not roll them in front of the bus as soon as they were being investigated. Edg: Have you met any top dogs? I mean like the head of a global corporation? All I've ever met were feral mutts like Beckley, Kaplan, Monty Guild who are outlanders who made it big but never really were BigBiz insiders. I met a rich man 40 years ago that assured me that anyone with more than a million dollars (say, 5 million in today's dollars) cannot escape being impacted by the Mafia who smell blood in the water and come to feed. I wonder if one rises to the ranks of CEO in the global businesses if along the way, they are slowly brought into the fold. Monty Guild told me 30 years ago, I'm just now starting to hobnob with billionaires. And this was when Monty was really rocketing. Don't know what he's done since though. So, it probably takes a ton of bucks to get into the black-tie parties or brunches in the Hamptons often enough to develop the relationships that could eventually lead to breaking through the upper crust enough to see what's really going on in the mindsets there. curtisdeltablues wrote: This scenario requires personality traits that seem completely unrealistic to me. These guys are not mystery men. Come down to DC and we will have lunch at DC's Prime Rib or Morton's Steakhouse and you can sip martinis with these assholes. You will see what I mean about what they are like. Power brokers are never trusting people, that is one of their secrets to how they got where they are. You know what is on their minds? Their kids college bills, their shitty relationships at home and their health, just like lots of ordinary people without power and money. They are not either diabolical enough, trusting enough, or unselfishly interested enough to risk it all for an ideal. Edg: Yeah, but I would not call those folks the real-deals of BigBiz -- more likely than not they're just MBA's who made it big, but not all-the-way, and are still merely domesticated servants. Your point about keeping such bigass scenarios secret, given how many people it would take to pull them off, strikes my paranoia a serious blow, and I have been using that concept to keep myself level. But I just
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curtisdeltablues wrote: Is it really your experience that high powered, egotistical, big business types can work together in complete trust on a project requiring perfect secrecy, that would get them locked up forever if it failed? Edg: No, I haven't. Thanks for that concept. It is calming. On the other hand, I don't think I've ever met a BigBiz mover and shaker, so maybe those who are really up there in the power structures just don't rub elbows with asses from the masses like me. Maybe that good old boys club has some folks who really can be in cahoots and keep it all secret to the max. I have to admit I am terribly limited in my experiencing of such types. curtisdeltablues wrote: Have you ever found top guys in any field to be trusting and chummy to that level, even if they were as diabolical as would be required. The guys at the top of any field I have seen are contentious with each other and would never trust each other to not roll them in front of the bus as soon as they were being investigated. Edg: Have you met any top dogs? I mean like the head of a global corporation? All I've ever met were feral mutts like Beckley, Kaplan, Monty Guild who are outlanders who made it big but never really were BigBiz insiders. I met a rich man 40 years ago that assured me that anyone with more than a million dollars (say, 5 million in today's dollars) cannot escape being impacted by the Mafia who smell blood in the water and come to feed. I wonder if one rises to the ranks of CEO in the global businesses if along the way, they are slowly brought into the fold. Monty Guild told me 30 years ago, I'm just now starting to hobnob with billionaires. And this was when Monty was really rocketing. Don't know what he's done since though. So, it probably takes a ton of bucks to get into the black-tie parties or brunches in the Hamptons often enough to develop the relationships that could eventually lead to breaking through the upper crust enough to see what's really going on in the mindsets there. curtisdeltablues wrote: This scenario requires personality traits that seem completely unrealistic to me. These guys are not mystery men. Come down to DC and we will have lunch at DC's Prime Rib or Morton's Steakhouse and you can sip martinis with these assholes. You will see what I mean about what they are like. Power brokers are never trusting people, that is one of their secrets to how they got where they are. You know what is on their minds? Their kids college bills, their shitty relationships at home and their health, just like lots of ordinary people without power and money. They are not either diabolical enough, trusting enough, or unselfishly interested enough to risk it all for an ideal. Edg: Yeah, but I would not call those folks the real-deals of BigBiz -- more likely than not they're just MBA's who made it big, but not all-the-way, and are still merely domesticated servants. Your point about keeping such bigass scenarios secret, given how many people it would take to pull them off, strikes my paranoia a serious blow, and I have been using that concept to keep myself level. But I just don't know what to do with the material at prisonplanet.com -- it's very disturbing data that can be googled, ya know? Curtis, do you think they've built the camps? If so, why were they built? If you think the camps were not even built and are merely Web myths perpetrated just like the NASA didn't get men on the moon people keep their conspiracies alive, tell me that. curtisdeltablues wrote: Any chance we can get a little heads up here if you ever do get that gun? Edg: Worried are you? I don't blame you, given my willingness to make ever so large my fears with my poetry. I just lurves being kookoo like that. In today's media-jaded world, it takes a bit of hyperbole to communicate, sez moi. But, tell me, have I really posted such angst that you think I'd be out there with twin bandoleers kapowing at anything that moves? I'm much more your style -- sorry to disappoint you, but I think much more along the lines of get out of Dodge like you're espousing for the general rule of thumb for iffy situations. I have taught inner city schools, and I've twice had knives pulled on me for asking a kid to take a seat -- politely, mind you. I am not an adrenaline junky. I know what fear INSTANTLY arose in me then, and a much more challenging event, like a shootout with the mind police coming to get me, is not a situation I'd get in. I'd rather live on my knees than die on my feet as they say. I'm no Bruce Willis, but who knows what one would do in the kind of dire scenarios that are herein being speculated? Do you own a gun? Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Everyone here has honed their psychic powers via various methods for decades. Well, let's see if we'z gots the mojo from all the work . . . or not. Here's the question for our intuitions: Will BigBiz
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Edg, Is it really your experience that high powered, egotistical, big business types can work together in complete trust on a project requiring perfect secrecy, that would get them locked up forever if it failed? Have you ever found top guys in any field to be trusting and chummy to that level, even if they were as diabolical as would be required. The guys at the top of any field I have seen are contentious with each other and would never trust each other to not roll them in front of the bus as soon as they were being investigated. This scenario requires personality traits that seem completely unrealistic to me. These guys are not mystery men. Come down to DC and we will have lunch at DC's Prime Rib or Morton's Steakhouse and you can sip martinis with these assholes. You will see what I mean about what they are like. Power brokers are never trusting people, that is one of their secrets to how they got where they are. You know what is on their minds? Their kids college bills, their shitty relationships at home and their health, just like lots of ordinary people without power and money. They are not either diabolical enough, trusting enough, or unselfishly interested enough to risk it all for an ideal. Any chance we can get a little heads up here if you ever do get that gun? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone here has honed their psychic powers via various methods for decades. Well, let's see if we'z gots the mojo from all the work . . . or not. Here's the question for our intuitions: Will BigBiz arrange for another 9-11 in order to declare martial law, imprison millions in the camps they've built, and call off the election until things calm down? My vote: Yes: if Ron Paul or Dennis Kucinich come up another notch or two in the poles or kick ass in the primaries. No: if any other Republican or Hillary, Barack, or John get the nom. I'm on the verge of my paranoia coming to the foreground bigtime what with the camps and War with Iran talk. I'm not to my Y2K level yet, so I haven't stocked up my pantry, gotten wilderness survival equipment, or bought a gun. Ron and Dennis are candidates that seem to be artifacts that are spiking on the graph of the BigBiz's control system -- that is, they have risen a bit higher into the public's awareness than the system would like, but they are allowed cuz it makes the system seem fair -- so far that is; if they get more popular I would expect some swiftboating of Ron and Dennis for starters. The bad news is this: if the worst is true, then I will probably be rounded up and put into a camp -- just because I've posted online my deep anger towards BigBiz. They're are reading all our emails and listening to all our phone calls, right? They've got computers scanning for key words and making a list and probably not checking it twice, right? All the above said, I think that my read of the American psyche is still very hopeful. Here in Wisconsin, there's millions of deer hunters who would aim those rifles at anyone coming to take their guns or put a loved one in a camp for hating BushCo. That's the Achilles Heel of BigBiz's brainwashing of our culture: they've inculcated a Die Hard heroism worship in us, and that inner Bruce Willis within each of us is waiting for a righteous cause. It won't be easy for BigBiz to sell the camps to anyone unless a 9-11 style disaster is pulled off, and some group can be made into retaliation targetsprobably the Arabs living in America and any mobs that form to protest. The guy at prisonplanet.com is making more and more sense everyday. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote: Video clip: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm? fuseaction=vids.individualvideoid=935607276 Great truths not only about the USA !
