[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes Wikipedia list of semi-protected articles

2006-06-19 Thread Alex Stanley
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 The only thing that need cooling down at wikipedia are the 
 overheated brains of the Christian fundamentalists and other
 idiots that holds this article hostage.
 
 The problem did not start with a lot of material being added
 - this was actually met with some accolade (yes, I did get
 inspired when I spoitted that one of my favorit places for
 other types of info also had an article on TM and MMY).
 
 What prompted the Kali's Dead-Enders to lock me out was that
 I happened to take the criticism in this article seriously
 and investigated the sources used. I made a few observations
 on the unreliability of these (apperently hosted by anonmyous
 entities also hosting xxx-sites). 
 
 The only response I got was rather muted and simply proclaimed
 ignorance of behind-the-TM-facade.org front-site. 

The the WHOIS entry for behind-the-TM-facade.org refers to
Unstress4less, and the site's content does appear to me to be the same
as the original Unstress4less site, which was likely the creation of a
Christian fundie who used to post on a.m.t as Petrus. The most
likely reason for Unstress4less now being a site about penis
enlargement is that the original owner let the domain registration
lapse, and it was scooped up by a domain squatter.

Here is an article I posted to a.m.t in 2001 that details the info I
was able to sniff out on the Unstress4less site:

http://tinyurl.com/odqt5





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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes Wikipedia list of semi-protected articles

2006-06-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I suppose it could all be seen as an enlightening 
 example of the down side of democracy - the leat 
 intelligent and morally most corrupt
 common denominator sets the standard :-)

Either that or a bunch of dueling egos waving
their dicks at each other and acting like
preadolescents...







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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes Wikipedia list of semi-protected articles

2006-06-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 I'd rather descirbe myself as the sole catalyst, though I'd
 prefer to think of it in terms of shining some light in a 
 very dark place - with the result that a variety of nocturnal 
? bugs in panic realized daybreak is come :-)

You really don't realize that this is exactly how
the fanatics on the 'other side' view what they're
doing, and you, do you? You share a mindset of
fanaticism, just on different sides of the issue...








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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes Wikipedia list of semi-protected articles

2006-06-18 Thread TurquoiseB
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote:
  
  I'd rather descirbe myself as the sole catalyst, though I'd
  prefer to think of it in terms of shining some light in a 
  very dark place - with the result that a variety of nocturnal 
 ? bugs in panic realized daybreak is come :-)
 
 You really don't realize that this is exactly how
 the fanatics on the 'other side' view what they're
 doing, and you, do you? You share a mindset of
 fanaticism, just on different sides of the issue...

In other words, IMO the Wikipedia was correct
in declaring the articles on TM off-limits to
fanatics on either side.

I'm currently involved with projects that have
to do with user-maintained technical document-
ation, which is prey to the same sorts of things.
Most of the time it works out, and people limit
themselves to correcting an inaccuracy or clari-
fying a point that was less than clear in the
original. (Such as the Linux user community.)
But every so often flame wars develop, as users
bring their egos into the equation, and then all
the less-fanatical users have to suffer as 
dueling egos take turns erasing one comment
and replacing it with their (supposedly) better
comment. It's a damned shame. Whatever happened
to the concept of it being OK to have different
opinions on a subject, and allowing both opinions
to be seen? The alternative seems to me to be a
kind of white man's burden mentality that says,
I cannot allow the poor, helpless masses to be
exposed to less than the Truth (which I know, of
course), so I have to get rid of the positive 
(or negative) view of this issue and replace it 
with the proper negative (or positive) view 
of the issue.

Silly, and embarrassing for all concerned IMO...








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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes Wikipedia list of semi-protected articles

2006-06-18 Thread peterklutz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote:
 
  
  I'd rather descirbe myself as the sole catalyst, though I'd
  prefer to think of it in terms of shining some light in a 
  very dark place - with the result that a variety of nocturnal 
 ? bugs in panic realized daybreak is come :-)
 
 You really don't realize that this is exactly how
 the fanatics on the 'other side' view what they're
 doing, and you, do you? You share a mindset of
 fanaticism, just on different sides of the issue...


Guessed you missed the :-)

:-)






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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes Wikipedia list of semi-protected articles

2006-06-18 Thread peterklutz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote:
 
  I suppose it could all be seen as an enlightening 
  example of the down side of democracy - the leat 
  intelligent and morally most corrupt
  common denominator sets the standard :-)
 
 Either that or a bunch of dueling egos waving
 their dicks at each other and acting like
 preadolescents...


No, that's not it - the grey eminences of the hijacking are operating
in a seemingly detached and calculating manner.






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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes Wikipedia list of semi-protected articles

2006-06-18 Thread peterklutz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@
wrote:
   
   I'd rather descirbe myself as the sole catalyst, though I'd
   prefer to think of it in terms of shining some light in a 
   very dark place - with the result that a variety of nocturnal 
  ? bugs in panic realized daybreak is come :-)
  
  You really don't realize that this is exactly how
  the fanatics on the 'other side' view what they're
  doing, and you, do you? You share a mindset of
  fanaticism, just on different sides of the issue...
 
 In other words, IMO the Wikipedia was correct
 in declaring the articles on TM off-limits to
 fanatics on either side.

[mercy snip]

Have you checked the article?

The fact is that the article have bene hijacked by enemimes of TM.
Here's a link to the TM talk page which explains more..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Transcendental_Meditation#Article_and_WIkipedia_rules















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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes Wikipedia list of semi-protected articles

2006-06-18 Thread sparaig
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@
 wrote:

I'd rather descirbe myself as the sole catalyst, though I'd
prefer to think of it in terms of shining some light in a 
very dark place - with the result that a variety of nocturnal 
   ? bugs in panic realized daybreak is come :-)
   
   You really don't realize that this is exactly how
   the fanatics on the 'other side' view what they're
   doing, and you, do you? You share a mindset of
   fanaticism, just on different sides of the issue...
  
  In other words, IMO the Wikipedia was correct
  in declaring the articles on TM off-limits to
  fanatics on either side.
 
 [mercy snip]
 
 Have you checked the article?
 
 The fact is that the article have bene hijacked by enemimes of TM.
 Here's a link to the TM talk page which explains more..
 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Talk:Transcendental_Meditation#Article_and_WIkipedia_rules


Your paranoia is showing. Enemies of TM? 

Sheesh. While it is true that many/most/all of the people you cite have certain 
agendas 
that aren't exactly favorable to TM, the way you word your own contributions 
comes off as 
far more biased than any of the people you are complaining about. Whether or 
not this is 
actually the case is immaterial: YOU are the one whose rhetoric and actions 
scream bias. 
That you may actually have made some good points buried in all your ranting is 
likely the 
only reason why the Wikipedia editors are still allowing some level of 
participation on  your 
part.

If you want to have more influence on the content of the article, you need to 
take a step or 
three back, take a deep breath, and calm down. As it stands, at last in the 
context of the 
Wikipedia article you're more of an enemy of TM than Andrew Skolnick or Mike 
Doughney 
or Steve Hassan.







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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes Wikipedia list of semi-protected articles

2006-06-18 Thread peterklutz
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@
  wrote:
 
 I'd rather descirbe myself as the sole catalyst, though I'd
 prefer to think of it in terms of shining some light in a 
 very dark place - with the result that a variety of nocturnal 
? bugs in panic realized daybreak is come :-)

You really don't realize that this is exactly how
the fanatics on the 'other side' view what they're
doing, and you, do you? You share a mindset of
fanaticism, just on different sides of the issue...
   
   In other words, IMO the Wikipedia was correct
   in declaring the articles on TM off-limits to
   fanatics on either side.
  
  [mercy snip]
  
  Have you checked the article?
  
  The fact is that the article have bene hijacked by enemimes of TM.
  Here's a link to the TM talk page which explains more..
  
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
 Talk:Transcendental_Meditation#Article_and_WIkipedia_rules
 
 
 Your paranoia is showing. Enemies of TM? 
 
 Sheesh. While it is true that many/most/all of the people you cite
have certain agendas 
 that aren't exactly favorable to TM, the way you word your own
contributions comes off as 
 far more biased than any of the people you are complaining about.
Whether or not this is 
 actually the case is immaterial: YOU are the one whose rhetoric and
actions scream bias. 
 That you may actually have made some good points buried in all your
ranting is likely the 
 only reason why the Wikipedia editors are still allowing some level
of participation on  your 
 part.
 
 If you want to have more influence on the content of the article,
you need to take a step or 
 three back, take a deep breath, and calm down. As it stands, at last
in the context of the 
 Wikipedia article you're more of an enemy of TM than Andrew
Skolnick or Mike Doughney 
 or Steve Hassan.

Read - won't comment :-)








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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes Wikipedia list of semi-protected articles

2006-06-17 Thread sparaig
There have been a lot of discussions about the TM entry on wikipedia. Last I 
checked there 
were several archives. Since TM has been in the news lately, perhaps the 
activity picked up 
and they decided to cool things down a bit.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

 TM is on the list with such controversial topics 
 as Palestinian refugee, William Shakespeare, 
 Comfort women and PlayStation 3.
 
 From the New York Times:
 
 http://tinyurl.com/g4h5n
 
 Trouble Spots
 
 Selected Wikipedia articles that site administrators 
 have placed under restrictions to protect them from 
 vandalism or editing wars.
 
 Transcendental Meditation is on the list of semi-
 protected articles which users can edit only if they 
 have been registered with the site for at least four days.
 
 Has anyone here been involved in changing the TM 
 article in dispute with other editors?
 
 Protected articles, which cannot be edited at all, include 
 2004 United States election voting controversies, Ohio 
 and Islam and anti-Semitism.
 
 http://tinyurl.com/g4h5n








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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes Wikipedia list of semi-protected articles

2006-06-17 Thread peterklutz

The only thing that need cooling down at wikipedia are the overheated
brains of the Christian fundamentalists and other idiots that holds
this article hostage.

The problem did not start with a lot of material being added - this
was actually met with some accolade (yes, I did get inspired when I
spoitted that one of my favorit places for other types of info also
had an article on TM and MMY).

What prompted the Kali's Dead-Enders to lock me out was that I
happened to take the criticism in this article seriously and
investigated the sources used. I made a few observations on the
unreliability of these (apperently hosted by anonmyous entities also
hosting xxx-sites). 

The only response I got was rather muted and simply proclaimed
ignorance of behind-the-TM-facade.org front-site. 

I waited for more reactions to my comments, but none were forthcoming.
I thend id the wikipedian thing and removed the criticism until such a
time that someone could substantiate the allegations or come up with a
good reason to keep what evidently is Christian smear-campaign
material in article about Transcendental Meditation.

As it were, the wikipedians involved were more interested in keeping
the article in the mud i.a. by holding on to the totallydisputed tag
and other things there that is likley to make any sane person stay
away from both wikipedia and TM.

I suppose it could all be seen as an enlightening example of the down
side of democracy - the leat intelligent and morally most corrupt
common denominator sets the standard :-)

Jai Guru Dev


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 There have been a lot of discussions about the TM entry on
wikipedia. Last I checked there 
 were several archives. Since TM has been in the news lately, perhaps
the activity picked up 
 and they decided to cool things down a bit.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@
wrote:
 
  TM is on the list with such controversial topics 
  as Palestinian refugee, William Shakespeare, 
  Comfort women and PlayStation 3.
  
  From the New York Times:
  
  http://tinyurl.com/g4h5n
  
  Trouble Spots
  
  Selected Wikipedia articles that site administrators 
  have placed under restrictions to protect them from 
  vandalism or editing wars.
  
  Transcendental Meditation is on the list of semi-
  protected articles which users can edit only if they 
  have been registered with the site for at least four days.
  
  Has anyone here been involved in changing the TM 
  article in dispute with other editors?
  
  Protected articles, which cannot be edited at all, include 
  2004 United States election voting controversies, Ohio 
  and Islam and anti-Semitism.
  
  http://tinyurl.com/g4h5n
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes Wikipedia list of semi-protected articles

2006-06-17 Thread sparaig


In other words, you helped create the controversy.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 The only thing that need cooling down at wikipedia are the overheated
 brains of the Christian fundamentalists and other idiots that holds
 this article hostage.
 
 The problem did not start with a lot of material being added - this
 was actually met with some accolade (yes, I did get inspired when I
 spoitted that one of my favorit places for other types of info also
 had an article on TM and MMY).
 
 What prompted the Kali's Dead-Enders to lock me out was that I
 happened to take the criticism in this article seriously and
 investigated the sources used. I made a few observations on the
 unreliability of these (apperently hosted by anonmyous entities also
 hosting xxx-sites). 
 
 The only response I got was rather muted and simply proclaimed
 ignorance of behind-the-TM-facade.org front-site. 
 
 I waited for more reactions to my comments, but none were forthcoming.
 I thend id the wikipedian thing and removed the criticism until such a
 time that someone could substantiate the allegations or come up with a
 good reason to keep what evidently is Christian smear-campaign
 material in article about Transcendental Meditation.
 
 As it were, the wikipedians involved were more interested in keeping
 the article in the mud i.a. by holding on to the totallydisputed tag
 and other things there that is likley to make any sane person stay
 away from both wikipedia and TM.
 
 I suppose it could all be seen as an enlightening example of the down
 side of democracy - the leat intelligent and morally most corrupt
 common denominator sets the standard :-)
 
 Jai Guru Dev
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
 
  There have been a lot of discussions about the TM entry on
 wikipedia. Last I checked there 
  were several archives. Since TM has been in the news lately, perhaps
 the activity picked up 
  and they decided to cool things down a bit.
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@
 wrote:
  
   TM is on the list with such controversial topics 
   as Palestinian refugee, William Shakespeare, 
   Comfort women and PlayStation 3.
   
   From the New York Times:
   
   http://tinyurl.com/g4h5n
   
   Trouble Spots
   
   Selected Wikipedia articles that site administrators 
   have placed under restrictions to protect them from 
   vandalism or editing wars.
   
   Transcendental Meditation is on the list of semi-
   protected articles which users can edit only if they 
   have been registered with the site for at least four days.
   
   Has anyone here been involved in changing the TM 
   article in dispute with other editors?
   
   Protected articles, which cannot be edited at all, include 
   2004 United States election voting controversies, Ohio 
   and Islam and anti-Semitism.
   
   http://tinyurl.com/g4h5n
  
 







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[FairfieldLife] Re: TM makes Wikipedia list of semi-protected articles

2006-06-17 Thread peterklutz

I'd rather descirbe myself as the sole catalyst, though I'd prefer to
think of it in terms of shining some light in a very dark place - with
the result that a variety of nocturnal bugs in panic realized daybreak
is come :-)


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 In other words, you helped create the controversy.
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, peterklutz peterklutz@ wrote:
 
  
  The only thing that need cooling down at wikipedia are the overheated
  brains of the Christian fundamentalists and other idiots that holds
  this article hostage.
  
  The problem did not start with a lot of material being added - this
  was actually met with some accolade (yes, I did get inspired when I
  spoitted that one of my favorit places for other types of info also
  had an article on TM and MMY).
  
  What prompted the Kali's Dead-Enders to lock me out was that I
  happened to take the criticism in this article seriously and
  investigated the sources used. I made a few observations on the
  unreliability of these (apperently hosted by anonmyous entities also
  hosting xxx-sites). 
  
  The only response I got was rather muted and simply proclaimed
  ignorance of behind-the-TM-facade.org front-site. 
  
  I waited for more reactions to my comments, but none were forthcoming.
  I thend id the wikipedian thing and removed the criticism until such a
  time that someone could substantiate the allegations or come up with a
  good reason to keep what evidently is Christian smear-campaign
  material in article about Transcendental Meditation.
  
  As it were, the wikipedians involved were more interested in keeping
  the article in the mud i.a. by holding on to the totallydisputed tag
  and other things there that is likley to make any sane person stay
  away from both wikipedia and TM.
  
  I suppose it could all be seen as an enlightening example of the down
  side of democracy - the leat intelligent and morally most corrupt
  common denominator sets the standard :-)
  
  Jai Guru Dev
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote:
  
   There have been a lot of discussions about the TM entry on
  wikipedia. Last I checked there 
   were several archives. Since TM has been in the news lately, perhaps
  the activity picked up 
   and they decided to cool things down a bit.
   
   
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Patrick Gillam jpgillam@
  wrote:
   
TM is on the list with such controversial topics 
as Palestinian refugee, William Shakespeare, 
Comfort women and PlayStation 3.

From the New York Times:

http://tinyurl.com/g4h5n

Trouble Spots

Selected Wikipedia articles that site administrators 
have placed under restrictions to protect them from 
vandalism or editing wars.

Transcendental Meditation is on the list of semi-
protected articles which users can edit only if they 
have been registered with the site for at least four days.

Has anyone here been involved in changing the TM 
article in dispute with other editors?

Protected articles, which cannot be edited at all, include 
2004 United States election voting controversies, Ohio 
and Islam and anti-Semitism.

http://tinyurl.com/g4h5n
   
  
 







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