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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Tat Wale Baba - a friend of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - has said: __ Tat Wale Baba: That which is omnipresent doesn't have to be sought. It's there already. Start to be. That which is omnipresent is not to be sought; only our awareness has to be brought to that level and that bliss is there. You don't have to seek it. Understand? Unless we get into that omnipresent bliss, satisfaction is not going to come. If it were to come, it would have come by now through so many avenues in the world. But, it has not. Therefore, that which is the Self is your own being. You don't have to look in the outside. And, it is irrespective of any religious faiths or beliefs; Christians or Mormons or Hindus. That being is the knowledge itself. Only, you have to know. All these various manifestations of happiness that we experience in the world, they also are the manifestations of the same eternal being which is our own Self. If we are aware of the Self, if we know it, fine. Otherwise, we have to be. And, therefore, it is necessary to bring our awareness deep within ourselves. As deeply as we can bring our awareness to the Self, so intensely we can inherit that which is omnipresent in our day to day life. Having known that Self we will be eternally contented; remaining in the world we will live contentment. And, it's not a matter of detaching ourselves from the world. Only, we have to know It, and having known It, then, all different manifestations in the world will be experienced as manifestations of That. We don't have to detach ourselves. It is just a matter of bringing the awareness to that area, and be, and live It. Having gained this beautiful, perfect human nervous system, if we have known that element of the Self, then we have really used this wonderful diamond-like gift, this diamond-like nervous system which is capable of giving that eternal bliss. If it is not experienced, then we have wasted that gift of diamond. We have taken upon ourselves this human nervous system, not for the sake of petty enjoyment of changing nature in this relative field of change, but to live and be that infinite bliss. And, we will have to attain that thing whether we attain it in this life, or in the next, or in the next. We just can't forego that. Therefore, with the assistance of the guru and the scriptures, better to attain it quickly. Why postpone? Tat Wale Baba's talk was followed by an opportunity for questions to be asked. As each question was asked in English Maharishi Mahesh Yogi translated to Hindi, then translated Tat Wale Baba's replies. Student: Can he tell us of his master and the tradition he follows? TWB: The Self is free from any tradition or nontradition. MMY (adding his own comment): He is from the tradition of Shukadev. Shukadev was like him, not of this world. Away from it. Student: Can he tell us what kind of meditation he does? TWB: I am established in Vedanta and that way we talk about it, and we be. There is no practice as such. Student: What do you think about Transcendental Meditation? TWB: Transcendental Consciousness is the basis of all experience. Pure Consciousness is That through which we experience. That is not a thing which one can experience. And, all this world is in a state of Pure Consciousness, and it is through That that we experience everything. Pure Consciousness, or Transcendental Consciousness is nothing that we experience. Through That we are experiencing everything. That is the basis of all experience, and experiencing. So enjoy that state. Student: Is it possible to increase one's capacity to enjoy that state? TWB: We can increase it to any great extent through meditation. And as we go deeper, That will shine forth in our life outside. So, it's possible to increase our ability to be That. And, that is through meditation. Student: Does he have any techniques that he teaches his disciples? TWB: We are sitting in the forest, and when we are sitting in the forest we have some purpose to perform, and with that we are sitting. If some seeker comes and asks, fine. We give advice. Otherwise, we don't have much time. We are in the forest, and we are in the forest for some purpose. But, if some seeker comes, fine. His doubts are cleared and removed. Student: Does he think that his way of life helps the rest of mankind or only him? TWB: All these saints meditating and established in the Self, they are the basis for all this running of the entire universe, and they are the basis of the whole thing, and not for themselves alone. Their good vibrations are influencing societies for their advancement. Student: Like a powerhouse? TWB: Like a
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tat Wale Baba - a friend of MMY - said ...
life 101. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Tat Wale Baba - a friend of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi - has said: __ Tat Wale Baba: That which is omnipresent doesn't have to be sought. It's there already. Start to be. That which is omnipresent is not to be sought; only our awareness has to be brought to that level and that bliss is there. You don't have to seek it. Understand? Unless we get into that omnipresent bliss, satisfaction is not going to come. If it were to come, it would have come by now through so many avenues in the world. But, it has not. Therefore, that which is the Self is your own being. You don't have to look in the outside. And, it is irrespective of any religious faiths or beliefs; Christians or Mormons or Hindus. That being is the knowledge itself. Only, you have to know. All these various manifestations of happiness that we experience in the world, they also are the manifestations of the same eternal being which is our own Self. If we are aware of the Self, if we know it, fine. Otherwise, we have to be. And, therefore, it is necessary to bring our awareness deep within ourselves. As deeply as we can bring our awareness to the Self, so intensely we can inherit that which is omnipresent in our day to day life. Having known that Self we will be eternally contented; remaining in the world we will live contentment. And, it's not a matter of detaching ourselves from the world. Only, we have to know It, and having known It, then, all different manifestations in the world will be experienced as manifestations of That. We don't have to detach ourselves. It is just a matter of bringing the awareness to that area, and be, and live It. Having gained this beautiful, perfect human nervous system, if we have known that element of the Self, then we have really used this wonderful diamond-like gift, this diamond-like nervous system which is capable of giving that eternal bliss. If it is not experienced, then we have wasted that gift of diamond. We have taken upon ourselves this human nervous system, not for the sake of petty enjoyment of changing nature in this relative field of change, but to live and be that infinite bliss. And, we will have to attain that thing whether we attain it in this life, or in the next, or in the next. We just can't forego that. Therefore, with the assistance of the guru and the scriptures, better to attain it quickly. Why postpone? Tat Wale Baba's talk was followed by an opportunity for questions to be asked. As each question was asked in English Maharishi Mahesh Yogi translated to Hindi, then translated Tat Wale Baba's replies. Student: Can he tell us of his master and the tradition he follows? TWB: The Self is free from any tradition or nontradition. MMY (adding his own comment): He is from the tradition of Shukadev. Shukadev was like him, not of this world. Away from it. Student: Can he tell us what kind of meditation he does? TWB: I am established in Vedanta and that way we talk about it, and we be. There is no practice as such. Student: What do you think about Transcendental Meditation? TWB: Transcendental Consciousness is the basis of all experience. Pure Consciousness is That through which we experience. That is not a thing which one can experience. And, all this world is in a state of Pure Consciousness, and it is through That that we experience everything. Pure Consciousness, or Transcendental Consciousness is nothing that we experience. Through That we are experiencing everything. That is the basis of all experience, and experiencing. So enjoy that state. Student: Is it possible to increase one's capacity to enjoy that state? TWB: We can increase it to any great extent through meditation. And as we go deeper, That will shine forth in our life outside. So, it's possible to increase our ability to be That. And, that is through meditation. Student: Does he have any techniques that he teaches his disciples? TWB: We are sitting in the forest, and when we are sitting in the forest we have some purpose to perform, and with that we are sitting. If some seeker comes and asks, fine. We give advice. Otherwise, we don't have much time. We are in the forest, and we are in the forest for some purpose. But, if some seeker comes, fine. His doubts are cleared and removed. Student: Does he think that his way of life helps the rest of mankind or only him? TWB: All these saints meditating and established in the Self, they are the basis for all this running of the entire universe, and they are the basis of the whole thing, and not for themselves alone. Their good vibrations are influencing societies for their advancement. Student: Like a powerhouse?
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tat Wale Baba - a friend of MMY - said ...
the Maharishi and Tat Wale Baba were in the same state of consciousness, and anyone speaking from that same state of consciousness says the same thing. what else is there to say? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tat Wale Baba's talk was followed by an opportunity for questions to be asked. As each question was asked in English Maharishi Mahesh Yogi translated to Hindi, then translated Tat Wale Baba's replies. The reason why Tat Wale Baba's description sounds so much like Maharishi's is that Maharishi was doing the translating to/from English/Hindi. Tat Wale Bsba thought Maharishi was just translating questions about a cricket match Tat Wale Baba and he had once seen.
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Really? Perhaps you don't read the same Gita as I do. I don't have a translation with commentary with me but I remember Maharishi's spin on denying the senses was that it had nothing to do with austerities; that the Gita means instead that you should not identify with the objects of perception. By transcending and establishing that in our consciousness we deny our senses. People who experience don't say the same things. Then of course there's exactly how Hindi translates to English. Maharishi was using his words to describe enlightenment in the exchange, I assert. On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:09 PM, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the Maharishi and Tat Wale Baba were in the same state of consciousness, and anyone speaking from that same state of consciousness says the same thing. what else is there to say? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tat Wale Baba's talk was followed by an opportunity for questions to be asked. As each question was asked in English Maharishi Mahesh Yogi translated to Hindi, then translated Tat Wale Baba's replies. The reason why Tat Wale Baba's description sounds so much like Maharishi's is that Maharishi was doing the translating to/from English/Hindi. Tat Wale Bsba thought Maharishi was just translating questions about a cricket match Tat Wale Baba and he had once seen.
[FairfieldLife] Re: Tat Wale Baba - a friend of MMY - said ...
I don't have a translation with commentary with me but I remember Maharishi's spin on denying the senses was that it had nothing to do with austerities; that the Gita means instead that you should not identify with the objects of perception. By transcending and establishing that in our consciousness we deny our senses. MMY Gita commentary, ChII, v.64: (Krisha): But he who is self-disciplined, who moves among the objects of the senses with the senses freed from attachment and aversion and under his own control, he attains to 'grace.' (MMY): 'Grace' here means delight and wholeness, resulting from the state of pure consciousness. This verse contrasts with the two preceding verses. Having explained to Arjuna the plight of those who surrender themselves to the call of desire without possessing control of the senses, the Lord, in this verse, shows him the reward gained by the man who disciplines himself before plunging into worldly life. The Lord here explains the status of the integrated man. He is established in the Self, and by virtue of this, even when he acts in the field of the senses and experiences their objects, he is not lost in them; maintaining his status in Being, he quite naturally maintains evenness of mind. His sense of values is balanced. Acting in the world, he is not lost in it. He is above attachment and detachment, contented in himself, not bound by anything. The results of reaching this state of blissful freedom are described in the verses that follow.
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On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:56 PM, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I don't have a translation with commentary with me but I remember Maharishi's spin on denying the senses was that it had nothing to do with austerities; that the Gita means instead that you should not identify with the objects of perception. By transcending and establishing that in our consciousness we deny our senses. MMY Gita commentary, ChII, v.64: (Krisha): But he who is self-disciplined, who moves among the objects of the senses with the senses freed from attachment and aversion and under his own control, he attains to 'grace.' (MMY): 'Grace' here means delight and wholeness, resulting from the state of pure consciousness. This verse contrasts with the two preceding verses. Having explained to Arjuna the plight of those who surrender themselves to the call of desire without possessing control of the senses, the Lord, in this verse, shows him the reward gained by the man who disciplines himself before plunging into worldly life. The Lord here explains the status of the integrated man. He is established in the Self, and by virtue of this, even when he acts in the field of the senses and experiences their objects, he is not lost in them; maintaining his status in Being, he quite naturally maintains evenness of mind. His sense of values is balanced. Acting in the world, he is not lost in it. He is above attachment and detachment, contented in himself, not bound by anything. The results of reaching this state of blissful freedom are described in the verses that follow. For all of his flaws, Maharishi explained things very very well, IMO. A man worthy of great honor.
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Tat Wale Baba nor the Maharishi's translation of his words do not favor austerities over the householder's life. Tat Wale Baba the man was a recluse and so favors that way of life, though he doesn't say it is superior in any way. I agree that one who identified with the Self does not identify with the objects of perception. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Really? Perhaps you don't read the same Gita as I do. I don't have a translation with commentary with me but I remember Maharishi's spin on denying the senses was that it had nothing to do with austerities; that the Gita means instead that you should not identify with the objects of perception. By transcending and establishing that in our consciousness we deny our senses. People who experience don't say the same things. Then of course there's exactly how Hindi translates to English. Maharishi was using his words to describe enlightenment in the exchange, I assert. On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 9:09 PM, enlightened_dawn11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the Maharishi and Tat Wale Baba were in the same state of consciousness, and anyone speaking from that same state of consciousness says the same thing. what else is there to say? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, I am the eternal L.Shaddai@ wrote: On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 8:06 PM, ve-da@ wrote: Tat Wale Baba's talk was followed by an opportunity for questions to be asked. As each question was asked in English Maharishi Mahesh Yogi translated to Hindi, then translated Tat Wale Baba's replies. The reason why Tat Wale Baba's description sounds so much like Maharishi's is that Maharishi was doing the translating to/from English/Hindi. Tat Wale Bsba thought Maharishi was just translating questions about a cricket match Tat Wale Baba and he had once seen.
