[FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for posting this Michael. Namaste !

2010-07-15 Thread nablusoss1008



 One day, when I was showing a whole lot of Vaj's posts to my profes-
 sional friends, one of them (who is a spiritual man - not on the TM path
 -
 currently a Buddhist) took me aside and said Michael - I get the
 distinct
 feeling here that we are dealing with something darker than Narcissistic
 Personality Disorder.  Have you considered that we are watching the
 very clever tactics of a demon, the handiwork of an obstructer of
 Truth?



With Vaj's intense hate of Maharishi, this makes perfect sense.

Thank you for posting this very timely post Michael !



[FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for posting this Michael. Namaste !

2010-07-15 Thread randyanand
Hi Michael,

Also a thanks for posting this from me.  
I don't have the credentials to make a diagnosis of Vaj, but I can say that my 
dealings with him here have always had me perplexed as to why he can not admit 
that he is ever wrong about anything.  His pattern with me is simply not to 
deal with subjects  that I bring up when he has no way to prove his position 
and his superiority.

Probably the one I remember best is when I once wrote and said that I felt that 
I have great gratitude toward MMY because I have experienced everything that he 
promised I would.  Vaj's response was that I think I have experienced 
everything he promised, implying that I hadn't really had the experiences that 
I have had.  And I'm thinking, what kind of egotistic moron is he to believe he 
knows my experiences better than I do?!! Only someone who seriously has his own 
ego in need of an overhaul.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote:

 
 
 
  One day, when I was showing a whole lot of Vaj's posts to my profes-
  sional friends, one of them (who is a spiritual man - not on the TM path
  -
  currently a Buddhist) took me aside and said Michael - I get the
  distinct
  feeling here that we are dealing with something darker than Narcissistic
  Personality Disorder.  Have you considered that we are watching the
  very clever tactics of a demon, the handiwork of an obstructer of
  Truth?
 
 
 
 With Vaj's intense hate of Maharishi, this makes perfect sense.
 
 Thank you for posting this very timely post Michael !





Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for posting this Michael. Namaste !

2010-07-15 Thread Vaj

On Jul 15, 2010, at 6:15 PM, randyanand wrote:

 Hi Michael,
 
 Also a thanks for posting this from me.  
 I don't have the credentials to make a diagnosis of Vaj, but I can say that 
 my dealings with him here have always had me perplexed as to why he can not 
 admit that he is ever wrong about anything.  His pattern with me is simply 
 not to deal with subjects  that I bring up when he has no way to prove his 
 position and his superiority.


LOL! 

Yeah, right.

I just live to answer assinine questions from someone who doesn't merely have 
their foot up their ass, but instead seems to have inserted their entire leg! 

You don't need me, you need a really good proctologist.

I generally only RESPOND the things I know about, so expecting me to respond to 
affirmatively to things I DON'T know about is, well, kinda stoopid, to go a 
little Judy on you...

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for posting this Michael. Namaste !

2010-07-15 Thread nablusoss1008


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, randyanand ra...@... wrote:

 Hi Michael,
 
 Also a thanks for posting this from me.  
 I don't have the credentials to make a diagnosis of Vaj, but I can say that 
 my dealings with him here have always had me perplexed as to why he can not 
 admit that he is ever wrong about anything.  His pattern with me is simply 
 not to deal with subjects  that I bring up when he has no way to prove his 
 position and his superiority.
 
 Probably the one I remember best is when I once wrote and said that I felt 
 that I have great gratitude toward MMY because I have experienced everything 
 that he promised I would.  

Vaj's response was that I think I have experienced everything he promised, 
implying that I hadn't really had the experiences that I have had.  And I'm 
thinking, what kind of egotistic moron is he to believe he knows my experiences 
better than I do?!! Only someone who seriously has his own ego in need of an 
overhaul.

Nice, thanks for posting this randyanand !



[FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for posting this Michael. Namaste !

2010-07-15 Thread pranamoocher
What's Vaj's real name?
Is he really Indian or is this a stage name?
J/C, not that its unusual to use another name.

(P.S.--My real name is Pranadaham Mhoosheriam, Pranamoocher, for short).


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@...
wrote:

 In this case, we'd say Vaj is clearly an Anti-Authoritarian flavor of
 Narcissist.

 THE MAN'S WRITINGS REVEAL HIS NATURE

 In his writings here over the years, Vaj revealed that he's designed a
 spiritual path where he is dependent on no one teacher or technology,
 where he doesn't have to actually surrender his individual
 ego/intellect,
 where his ego/intellect picks and chooses spiritual bits and pieces
 (like
 one would pick candies from a Whitman's Sampler Box) - a technique
 here, a spiritual visit there, an intellectual scriptural reference
 here, a
 name-dropping about some famous or obscure-but-special-sound-
 ing teacher there.  And he has strung all these spiritual bits
 together
 like shiny beads on a necklace - all these teachers, and visits, and
 read-
 ings, and words, and intellectual ideas.  And he says, in effect:
Look
 at
 what I've gathered!  Look at how shiny I am!  Look at how special I
am!

 For Vaj, the best thing he could do, in my compassionate opinion (from
 both the spiritual and psychological perspective), is to put all this
 stuff
 down.  Put down the teachers, books, techniques, memories, etc.  Let
it
 all go - and just look within to see who or what's behind it all.  Be
 simple,
 be invisible, be quiet.  See who's there.  This would be way, way, way
 simpler than the convoluted spiritual world that he projects here!

 Read back over a bunch of Vaj's posts on this list and notice that:

 1. You'll see lot's of NEGATIVITY: don't do this, don't believe that,
 distrust
 this, don't practice that...  And he'll point out how various people
-
 from
 Maharishi to members of this forum - are damaged or defective.  But
you
 WON'T see much positivity: do this, believe this, trust this,
practice
 this -
 almost nothing that is actually helpful or useful to those on the
path.
 He's
 a great Anti-authoritarian, but he offers so little that's useful for
 real spiritual
 progress.  But that's what Anti-authoritarians do - they tear down
those
 who
 are actually trying to do something, but they offer little to replace
 it.

 2. You'll also see lot's of COMPLICATION: esoteric,
complicated-sounding
 knowledge, reference to many sects and texts and teachers, book
learning
 galore...  But the Truth is simple!  And you won't see simplicity from
 Vaj.
 He has a good intellect, and uses it like a Narcissist would - to
weave
 a
 difficult-to-follow maze that's meant to impress, to keep us
 off-balance, to
 give us the impression that he's quite the expert.

 3. You'll see that his words feel like they come mainly FROM MEMORY or
 FROM INTELLECT - but not from heart, or compassion, or empathy - and
 especially NOT from some foundation of his own simple, direct,
personal
 experience of the Truth.

 Vaj's writings, when they refer to any knowledge, just dangle a hint
 of it
 out there, like a carrot, vague and unsubstantiatable but very
 important-
 sounding.  His tone says: I'm very knowledgeable, very important;
I've
 got
 IT and you don't; but you'll never figure IT out from me; my words
will
 be
 vague, hinting at things, puffing me up - but rarely of any value in
 helping
 you with evolution.

 Vaj will say, in effect: trust me, I'm an expert, I've got special
 experience
 and knowledge, I've been around the spiritual block - what you
bumpkins
 are taking so seriously is unimportant kindergarten-level stuff.  I'll
 talk
 ABOUT higher stuff, I'll hint at it, I'll tell you what an expert I am
-
 but I'll
 rarely if ever actually teach you anything useful.  In fact, I'll run
 away from
 any intelligent discussion of my points, either by belittling you, or
 creating
 a smokescreen of important-sounding (but actually meaningless) words,
 or by just simply avoiding real discussion.

 Vaj's words say: I'll just chip away at your beliefs, undermine your
 confi-
 dence, try to tear down your commitment to your path, create doubt and
 confusion - as any true Anti-authoritarian would do.

 Look back at the body of Vaj's writings:
 Where's the compassion, where's the love, where's the useful knowledge
 that a real teacher shares, where's the practical advice, where's the
 true
 teacher?  But Anti-authoritarian Narcissists don't lead, don't teach -
 they
 just want to tear down those who do lead, who do teach.  Put them in
 charge, and they wouldn't know what to do.  Their life-script is about
 emasculating leaders and living in a fantasy of self-importance.

 CONCLUSION #2:
 ACTUALLY NARCISSIST (PLUS ANTI-AUTHORITARIAN)?
 OR SOMETHING MORE TROUBLING AND DARK?

 So we've noticed that if we're looking for real, compassionate
spiritual
 guidance, we'll be frustrated by Vaj - and we've had years to watch
 what he serves up.  Instead we get 

[FairfieldLife] Re: Thanks for posting this Michael. Namaste !

2010-07-15 Thread cardemaister


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bh...@... wrote:

 What's Vaj's real name?
 Is he really Indian or is this a stage name?
 J/C, not that its unusual to use another name.
 
 (P.S.--My real name is Pranadaham Mhoosheriam, Pranamoocher, for short).
 
 

Just curious: there seems to be at least two possible 
interpretations for your first name:

1. praanaadaham (praanaat; aham: I [have become] from praana?)

2. praanadaaham (praana-daaham: the glowing, or stuff, of praana?)

The first one seems highly unlikely, so the possible meaning
is prolly the second one...