[FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe
Thanks for that Bhairitu, it's another reason to hate this stupid TTIP trade deal. I hadn't considered the effect on food but it's something people care about obviously so it might galvanise more into action. Not that our beloved leaders listen to us, they are clearly convinced they have our best interests at heart. My biggest worry about it has been the proposed effects on law. Foreign companies will be able to sue governments for not letting them practise business however they want, they will be able to disregard environmental and employment law for instance. Giving corporations this much power doesn't bode well, we are heading into a dangerous future I think. I am heartened that a large majority oppose it though, I wasn't aware that most had even heard of it as the government are keeping very quiet about it, which surprises me considering the amount of opposition there is to the EU having control over UK law and here we are giving it away to people whose main concern is making money out of us. This puzzles me though: Even in Britain — a nation hardly known for the glories of its national cuisine. Are they suggesting there's something wrong with boiled ham and cabbage? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Good article in the Washington Post about US frankenfoods invading Europe and what else it brings with it: http://wapo.st/1BiKlzV http://wapo.st/1BiKlzV
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe
Foreign companies will be able to sue governments for not letting them
practise business however they want, they will be able to disregard
environmental and employment law for instance. Giving corporations this much
power doesn't bode well, we are heading into a dangerous future I think.
This has already been going on in the US courtesy of NAFTA.
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 1:14 PM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe
Thanks for that Bhairitu, it's another reason to hate this stupid TTIP trade
deal.
I hadn't considered the effect on food but it's something people care about
obviously so it might galvanise more into action. Not that our beloved leaders
listen to us, they are clearly convinced they have our best interests at heart.
My biggest worry about it has been the proposed effects on law. Foreign
companies will be able to sue governments for not letting them practise
business however they want, they will be able to disregard environmental and
employment law for instance. Giving corporations this much power doesn't bode
well, we are heading into a dangerous future I think.
I am heartened that a large majority oppose it though, I wasn't aware that most
had even heard of it as the government are keeping very quiet about it, which
surprises me considering the amount of opposition there is to the EU having
control over UK law and here we are giving it away to people whose main concern
is making money out of us.
This puzzles me though:
Even in Britain — a nation hardly known for the glories of its national
cuisine.Are they suggesting there's something wrong with boiled ham and cabbage?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
Good article in the Washington Post about US frankenfoods invading
Europe and what else it brings with it:
http://wapo.st/1BiKlzV
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe
Or Bubble n Squeak .
From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 10:14 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe
Thanks for that Bhairitu, it's another reason to hate this stupid TTIP trade
deal.
I hadn't considered the effect on food but it's something people care about
obviously so it might galvanise more into action. Not that our beloved leaders
listen to us, they are clearly convinced they have our best interests at heart.
My biggest worry about it has been the proposed effects on law. Foreign
companies will be able to sue governments for not letting them practise
business however they want, they will be able to disregard environmental and
employment law for instance. Giving corporations this much power doesn't bode
well, we are heading into a dangerous future I think.
I am heartened that a large majority oppose it though, I wasn't aware that most
had even heard of it as the government are keeping very quiet about it, which
surprises me considering the amount of opposition there is to the EU having
control over UK law and here we are giving it away to people whose main concern
is making money out of us.
This puzzles me though:
Even in Britain — a nation hardly known for the glories of its national
cuisine.Are they suggesting there's something wrong with boiled ham and cabbage?
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote :
Good article in the Washington Post about US frankenfoods invading
Europe and what else it brings with it:
http://wapo.st/1BiKlzV
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe
This sentence stood out for me: / //Many European critics also are taking aim at other aspects of the deal — with the most strident opponents insisting it could usher in an era of American-style capitalism to Europe that puts corporations and consumerism above all else./ America has really become a fascist country where corporations rule the government and the people have less and less say. On 12/06/2014 10:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Thanks for that Bhairitu, it's another reason to hate this stupid TTIP trade deal. I hadn't considered the effect on food but it's something people care about obviously so it might galvanise more into action. Not that our beloved leaders listen to us, they are clearly convinced they have our best interests at heart. My biggest worry about it has been the proposed effects on law. Foreign companies will be able to sue governments for not letting them practise business however they want, they will be able to disregard environmental and employment law for instance. Giving corporations this much power doesn't bode well, we are heading into a dangerous future I think. I am heartened that a large majority oppose it though, I wasn't aware that most had even heard of it as the government are keeping very quiet about it, which surprises me considering the amount of opposition there is to the EU having control over UK law and here we are giving it away to people whose main concern is making money out of us. This puzzles me though: Even in Britain — a nation hardly known for the glories of its national cuisine. Are they suggesting there's something wrong with boiled ham and cabbage? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Good article in the Washington Post about US frankenfoods invading Europe and what else it brings with it: http://wapo.st/1BiKlzV
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe
On 12/6/2014 12:14 PM, salyavin808 wrote: I hadn't considered the effect on food but it's something people care about obviously so it might galvanise more into action. So, what happened to the science? /There is broad scientific consensus that food on the market derived from GM crops poses no greater risk to human health than conventional food./ Works cited: The American Association for the Advancement of Science. 2012. American Medical Association. 2012. World Health Organization. 2012. United States Institute of Medicine and National Research Council. 2004. Directorate-General for Research and Innovation. European Union. 2010.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe
Foreign companies will be able to sue governments for not letting them practise business however they want, they will be able to disregard environmental and employment law for instance. Giving corporations this much power doesn't bode well, we are heading into a dangerous future I think. On 12/6/2014 12:47 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: This has already been going on in the US courtesy of NAFTA. /So, you're opposed to free trade? For the life of me I can't understand why you'd be opposed to the free trade of tobacco and/or cannabis in Canada, the U.S. and Mexico. Talk about cognitive dissonance - MMY thought GMO's were bad; you think GMOs are bad, but you also think MMY is bad and he was a liar. ///You're not even making any sense. Do you ever think these things through before you press Send? ///Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1986 among the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it.// // //http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement/ *From:* salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, December 6, 2014 1:14 PM *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe Thanks for that Bhairitu, it's another reason to hate this stupid TTIP trade deal. I hadn't considered the effect on food but it's something people care about obviously so it might galvanise more into action. Not that our beloved leaders listen to us, they are clearly convinced they have our best interests at heart. My biggest worry about it has been the proposed effects on law. Foreign companies will be able to sue governments for not letting them practise business however they want, they will be able to disregard environmental and employment law for instance. Giving corporations this much power doesn't bode well, we are heading into a dangerous future I think. I am heartened that a large majority oppose it though, I wasn't aware that most had even heard of it as the government are keeping very quiet about it, which surprises me considering the amount of opposition there is to the EU having control over UK law and here we are giving it away to people whose main concern is making money out of us. This puzzles me though: Even in Britain — a nation hardly known for the glories of its national cuisine. Are they suggesting there's something wrong with boiled ham and cabbage? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Good article in the Washington Post about US frankenfoods invading Europe and what else it brings with it: http://wapo.st/1BiKlzV
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : This sentence stood out for me: Many European critics also are taking aim at other aspects of the deal — with the most strident opponents insisting it could usher in an era of American-style capitalism to Europe that puts corporations and consumerism above all else. America has really become a fascist country where corporations rule the government and the people have less and less say. For some reason our beloved leaders think that's a great idea. And we get it smuggled in without any debate by them distracting us with a bit of flag waving at the royal family while they sell the country from under our feet. Most of it is already owned by nameless foreign companies that will no doubt be stripped and sold at a profit to other nameless companies and stripped again. Someone must be getting rich is all I can think of! On 12/06/2014 10:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Thanks for that Bhairitu, it's another reason to hate this stupid TTIP trade deal. I hadn't considered the effect on food but it's something people care about obviously so it might galvanise more into action. Not that our beloved leaders listen to us, they are clearly convinced they have our best interests at heart. My biggest worry about it has been the proposed effects on law. Foreign companies will be able to sue governments for not letting them practise business however they want, they will be able to disregard environmental and employment law for instance. Giving corporations this much power doesn't bode well, we are heading into a dangerous future I think. I am heartened that a large majority oppose it though, I wasn't aware that most had even heard of it as the government are keeping very quiet about it, which surprises me considering the amount of opposition there is to the EU having control over UK law and here we are giving it away to people whose main concern is making money out of us. This puzzles me though: Even in Britain — a nation hardly known for the glories of its national cuisine. Are they suggesting there's something wrong with boiled ham and cabbage? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... mailto:noozguru@... wrote : Good article in the Washington Post about US frankenfoods invading Europe and what else it brings with it: http://wapo.st/1BiKlzV http://wapo.st/1BiKlzV
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe
On 12/06/2014 01:10 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Foreign companies will be able to sue governments for not letting them practise business however they want, they will be able to disregard environmental and employment law for instance. Giving corporations this much power doesn't bode well, we are heading into a dangerous future I think. On 12/6/2014 12:47 PM, Michael Jackson wrote: This has already been going on in the US courtesy of NAFTA. /So, you're opposed to free trade? For the life of me I can't understand why you'd be opposed to the free trade of tobacco and/or cannabis in Canada, the U.S. and Mexico. Talk about cognitive dissonance - MMY thought GMO's were bad; you think GMOs are bad, but you also think MMY is bad and he was a liar. ///You're not even making any sense. Do you ever think these things through before you press Send? ///Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1986 among the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it.// // //http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement/ Your peers including Alex Jones hate NAFTA. Don't you remember H Ross Perot warning us about it in the Presidential Debates? He was right! Libertarians hate NAFTA. They also hate these new trade agreements. They aren't about free trade either. It's all about big corporate trade. Get a grip, Willie. You aren't making any sense. Go figure.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe
I am heartened that a large majority oppose it though, I wasn't aware that most had even heard of it as the government are keeping very quiet about it, which surprises me considering the amount of opposition there is to the EU having control over UK law and here we are giving it away to people whose main concern is making money out of us. On 12/6/2014 1:49 PM, Mike Dixon wrote: Or Bubble n Squeak . Can you believe this, Mike: a guy that loves eating Fish and Chips is concerned about food quality. Go figure. /The average wining margin in the last ten Intelligence Squared U.S. debates was around 18 percentage points. The final vote also contrasts with what national polls say about how American feel about GM foods./ *In A Face-To-Face GMO Debate, The For Side Wins* Popular Science: http://www.popsci.com/head-head-gmo-debate-win-gm-foods
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe
On 12/6/2014 2:51 PM, Bhairitu wrote: This sentence stood out for me: / //Many European critics also are taking aim at other aspects of the deal — with the most strident opponents insisting it could usher in an era of American-style capitalism to Europe that puts corporations and consumerism above all else./ Oh my Gawd - American-style capitalism where somebody might earn some money so they can pay their bills and get fuel this winter. What is this world coming to? It's just fucking outrageous! America has really become a fascist country where corporations rule the government and the people have less and less say. God damn America! ISIS has a billion dollars in cash and it's all George W. Bush's fault. On 12/06/2014 10:14 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Thanks for that Bhairitu, it's another reason to hate this stupid TTIP trade deal. I hadn't considered the effect on food but it's something people care about obviously so it might galvanise more into action. Not that our beloved leaders listen to us, they are clearly convinced they have our best interests at heart. My biggest worry about it has been the proposed effects on law. Foreign companies will be able to sue governments for not letting them practise business however they want, they will be able to disregard environmental and employment law for instance. Giving corporations this much power doesn't bode well, we are heading into a dangerous future I think. I am heartened that a large majority oppose it though, I wasn't aware that most had even heard of it as the government are keeping very quiet about it, which surprises me considering the amount of opposition there is to the EU having control over UK law and here we are giving it away to people whose main concern is making money out of us. This puzzles me though: Even in Britain — a nation hardly known for the glories of its national cuisine. Are they suggesting there's something wrong with boiled ham and cabbage? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Good article in the Washington Post about US frankenfoods invading Europe and what else it brings with it: http://wapo.st/1BiKlzV
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe
Michael Jackson wrote: This has already been going on in the US courtesy of NAFTA. /So, you're opposed to free trade? For the life of me I can't understand why you'd be opposed to the free trade of tobacco and/or cannabis in Canada, the U.S. and Mexico. Talk about cognitive dissonance - MMY thought GMO's were bad; you think GMOs are bad, but you also think MMY is bad and he was a liar. ///You're not even making any sense. Do you ever think these things through before you press Send? ///Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1986 among the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it.// // //http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement/ On 12/6/2014 3:29 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Your peers including Alex Jones hate NAFTA. Don't you remember H Ross Perot warning us about it in the Presidential Debates? He was right! Libertarians hate NAFTA. They also hate these new trade agreements. They aren't about free trade either. It's all about big corporate trade. Get a grip, Willie. You aren't making any sense. Go figure. Opponents like Alex Jones and Ross Perot rely on anecdotes to make their case, and when they use statistics, they are very selective. In the battle of sound bites and bumper stickers, NAFTA has become the short cut for venting anger about the alleged misdeeds of globalization. Go figure. According to what I've read, most economists regard NAFTA as a tremendous success, contributing to better jobs and higher income in the three partner countries, Canada, the U.S. and Mexico. / //Trade among the North American partners is up more than threefold since the pact entered into force in 1994, and now totals about $900 billion annually. Canada and Mexico account for almost 30 percent of U.S. two-way merchandise trade. A rough calculation suggests that NAFTA has added about $60 billion annually to U.S. national income, about $200 per American./
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe
On 12/06/2014 02:33 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Michael Jackson wrote: This has already been going on in the US courtesy of NAFTA. /So, you're opposed to free trade? For the life of me I can't understand why you'd be opposed to the free trade of tobacco and/or cannabis in Canada, the U.S. and Mexico. Talk about cognitive dissonance - MMY thought GMO's were bad; you think GMOs are bad, but you also think MMY is bad and he was a liar. ///You're not even making any sense. Do you ever think these things through before you press Send? ///Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1986 among the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it.// // //http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement/ On 12/6/2014 3:29 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Your peers including Alex Jones hate NAFTA. Don't you remember H Ross Perot warning us about it in the Presidential Debates? He was right! Libertarians hate NAFTA. They also hate these new trade agreements. They aren't about free trade either. It's all about big corporate trade. Get a grip, Willie. You aren't making any sense. Go figure. Opponents like Alex Jones and Ross Perot rely on anecdotes to make their case, and when they use statistics, they are very selective. In the battle of sound bites and bumper stickers, NAFTA has become the short cut for venting anger about the alleged misdeeds of globalization. Go figure. According to what I've read, most economists regard NAFTA as a tremendous success, contributing to better jobs and higher income in the three partner countries, Canada, the U.S. and Mexico. Those economists wouldn't happen to hold court on FOX News, would they? You so often seem to support the status quo. What have they done for you?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe
One of the effects of NAFTA was that United Parcel Service sued the government
of Canada, specifically the Canada Post, stating unfair business practices.
In other words, the Canadians run their post much more efficiently as a parcel
service than UPS does, so UPS tried to force them to stop doing parcel
deliveries so UPS would get more business.
Ultimately Canada Post won the decision, but any law that allows a private
company to attempt to do some crap like that is absurd. And Willy Tex in beyond
an idiot. I'm glad his posts go automatically to my trash can.
From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe
On 12/06/2014 01:10 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Foreign companies will be able to sue governments for not letting them
practise business however they want, they will be able to disregard
environmental and employment law for instance. Giving corporations this much
power doesn't bode well, we are heading into a dangerous future I think.
On 12/6/2014 12:47 PM, Michael Jackson wrote:
This has already been going on in the US courtesy of NAFTA.
So, you're opposed to free trade? For the life of me I can't understand why
you'd be opposed to the free trade of tobacco and/or cannabis in Canada, the
U.S. and Mexico.
Talk about cognitive dissonance - MMY thought GMO's were bad; you think GMOs
are bad, but you also think MMY is bad and he was a liar. You're not even
making any sense. Do you ever think these things through before you press Send?
Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1986 among the three
nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign
NAFTA. U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney
and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and
promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement
Your peers including Alex Jones hate NAFTA. Don't you remember H Ross Perot
warning us about it in the Presidential Debates? He was right! Libertarians
hate NAFTA. They also hate these new trade agreements. They aren't about free
trade either. It's all about big corporate trade. Get a grip, Willie. You
aren't making any sense. Go figure.
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe
Just one example: Within the last 30 years, the 2,000-mile border between theUnited States and Mexico has become what the American Medical Associationcalls, a virtual cesspool and breeding ground for infectious disease(Public Citizen, 2000).� Thecauses of this unfortunate observation are the more than 3,000 manufacturingplants that cover the Mexican border known as the �maquiladoras.�� The maquiladoras are the mostlyAmerican-owned factories along the Mexican border that assemble products forexport to U.S. markets (Nation�s Health, 1998). TheMexican maquiladora program, implemented in 1965, created a free tradeagreement for foreign companies to bring materials into the country formanufacturing.� The goal of the programwas to provide Mexico�s northern cities with a better job market while alsoproviding foreign manufacturers with cheap labor.� The maquiladoras do provide Mexican border cities with a greatnumber of jobs, but at the expense of low wages, terrible working conditions,low job security, and high exposure to toxic chemicals (EHC, 1998). TheNorth American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) was implemented by the Mexican,U.S., and Canadian governments in 1993.�NAFTA proponents promised that the agreement would help to alleviatemany of the current border problems caused by the existing free-tradezone.� NAFTA would also help to improveworking conditions, better enforce environmental laws, and decrease the highmaquiladora concentration along the border (Public Citizen, 2000).� Unfortunately,NAFTA did not have the effect that its proponents had talked of.� In 1995, two years after NAFTA wasimplemented, the maquiladora work force increased by 20%.� The agreement also did little to helpdisperse the plants further from the border areas.� In 1995, 85% of all maquiladora workers were employed in one ofthe six Mexican Border States (Public Citizen, 2000).� Another downfall of NAFTA was the disposal of toxic waste fromthe foreign-owned factories.� Under theoriginal maquiladora program, foreign manufactures were required to return allwaste to the country of origin, however NAFTA allows all goods imported to themaquiladoras to remain in Mexico, including the waste products (EHC, 2000). From this source:Environmental Justice Case Study: Maquiladoras | | | | | | | | | | | Environmental Justice Case Study: MaquiladorasEnvironmental Justice Case Study: Maquiladora Workers and Border Issues By: Elyse Bolterstein��� Table ... | | | | View on www.umich.edu | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | From: Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe On 12/06/2014 02:33 PM, 'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: Michael Jackson wrote: This has already been going on in the US courtesy of NAFTA. So, you're opposed to free trade? For the life of me I can't understand why you'd be opposed to the free trade of tobacco and/or cannabis in Canada, the U.S. and Mexico. Talk about cognitive dissonance - MMY thought GMO's were bad; you think GMOs are bad, but you also think MMY is bad and he was a liar. You're not even making any sense. Do you ever think these things through before you press Send? Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1986 among the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement On 12/6/2014 3:29 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Your peers including Alex Jones hate NAFTA. Don't you remember H Ross Perot warning us about it in the Presidential Debates? He was right! Libertarians hate NAFTA. They also hate these new trade agreements. They aren't about free trade either. It's all about big corporate trade. Get a grip, Willie. You aren't making any sense. Go figure. Opponents like Alex Jones and Ross Perot rely on anecdotes to make their case, and when they use statistics, they are very selective. In the battle of sound bites and bumper stickers, NAFTA has become the short cut for venting anger about the alleged misdeeds of globalization. Go figure. According to what I've read, most economists regard NAFTA as a tremendous success, contributing to better jobs and higher income in the three partner countries, Canada, the U.S. and Mexico. Those economists wouldn't happen to hold court on FOX News, would they? You so often seem to support the status quo. What have they done for you? #yiv3246631068 #yiv3246631068 -- #yiv3246631068ygrp
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Or Bubble n Squeak . I love bubble and squeak (fried leftover vegetables - the main ingredients being potato and cabbage) but it has to be over-fried and so slightly burnt to be really appreciated. The warning: contains GMO ingredients wouldn't put me off eating something. There is no *essential* difference between a genetically modified plant and one that has been altered over a long time thanks to selective breeding and splicing methods - methods that have been used by our venerable ancestors for millennia. We're just saving time - and saving lives if disease-resistant crops like rice (even crops that can be harvested twice in a year instead of just the once) could be adopted in the Third World. Most of those who object to GMO foods are emoting rather than thinking - always a bad way of evaluating progress. A list of ingredients that included mechanically recovered meat always has me returning the item to the shelf - it conjures up images of gristle and unmentionable parts of animals being put into a mincer to be added to the minimum amount of recognizable cuts of meat the makers think they can get away with. From: salyavin808 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2014 10:14 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe Thanks for that Bhairitu, it's another reason to hate this stupid TTIP trade deal. I hadn't considered the effect on food but it's something people care about obviously so it might galvanise more into action. Not that our beloved leaders listen to us, they are clearly convinced they have our best interests at heart. My biggest worry about it has been the proposed effects on law. Foreign companies will be able to sue governments for not letting them practise business however they want, they will be able to disregard environmental and employment law for instance. Giving corporations this much power doesn't bode well, we are heading into a dangerous future I think. I am heartened that a large majority oppose it though, I wasn't aware that most had even heard of it as the government are keeping very quiet about it, which surprises me considering the amount of opposition there is to the EU having control over UK law and here we are giving it away to people whose main concern is making money out of us. This puzzles me though: Even in Britain — a nation hardly known for the glories of its national cuisine. Are they suggesting there's something wrong with boiled ham and cabbage? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : Good article in the Washington Post about US frankenfoods invading Europe and what else it brings with it: http://wapo.st/1BiKlzV http://wapo.st/1BiKlzV
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe
On 12/06/2014 05:40 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Or Bubble n Squeak . I love bubble and squeak (fried leftover vegetables - the main ingredients being potato and cabbage) but it has to be over-fried and so slightly burnt to be really appreciated. The warning: contains GMO ingredients wouldn't put me off eating something. There is no *essential* difference between a genetically modified plant and one that has been altered over a long time thanks to selective breeding and splicing methods - methods that have been used by our venerable ancestors for millennia. We're just saving time - and saving lives if disease-resistant crops like rice (even crops that can be harvested twice in a year instead of just the once) could be adopted in the Third World. Most of those who object to GMO foods are emoting rather than thinking - always a bad way of evaluating progress. GMO is not just modifying or hybridizing a crop. That's been going on for ages. But doing things like making them contain glyphosates to make them pest resistant. Would you like a little RoundUp on that potato? A list of ingredients that included mechanically recovered meat always has me returning the item to the shelf - it conjures up images of gristle and unmentionable parts of animals being put into a mincer to be added to the minimum amount of recognizable cuts of meat the makers think they can get away with. I call that pre-chewed meat. However in some ways nothing new much like British Bangers or other sausages but carried to an extreme nowadays. Chicken tenders are no longer breast tenderloin but pre-chewed scraps.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, noozguru@... wrote : On 12/06/2014 05:40 PM, s3raphita@... mailto:s3raphita@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... mailto:mdixon.6569@... wrote : Or Bubble n Squeak . I love bubble and squeak (fried leftover vegetables - the main ingredients being potato and cabbage) but it has to be over-fried and so slightly burnt to be really appreciated. The warning: contains GMO ingredients wouldn't put me off eating something. There is no *essential* difference between a genetically modified plant and one that has been altered over a long time thanks to selective breeding and splicing methods - methods that have been used by our venerable ancestors for millennia. We're just saving time - and saving lives if disease-resistant crops like rice (even crops that can be harvested twice in a year instead of just the once) could be adopted in the Third World. Most of those who object to GMO foods are emoting rather than thinking - always a bad way of evaluating progress. GMO is not just modifying or hybridizing a crop. That's been going on for ages. But doing things like making them contain glyphosates to make them pest resistant. Would you like a little RoundUp on that potato? I'll pass on that. The GM technology can of course be used in harmful ways. But also in beneficial ways! A list of ingredients that included mechanically recovered meat always has me returning the item to the shelf - it conjures up images of gristle and unmentionable parts of animals being put into a mincer to be added to the minimum amount of recognizable cuts of meat the makers think they can get away with. I call that pre-chewed meat. However in some ways nothing new much like British Bangers or other sausages but carried to an extreme nowadays. Chicken tenders are no longer breast tenderloin but pre-chewed scraps. British bangers are banned from being imported into Germany - the manufacturers tend to go overboard on the mechanically recovered methodology and Krauts don't like eating the sweepings from the abattoir floor. At the moment my favourite sausages are German bockwurst from the cut-price (German) store Lidl. They are both ridiculously cheap and very tasty - perfect with mash and beans or fried onions*. And don't get me started on British bacon. Heating it up always produces this disgusting white gunge. I buy American bacon if I can find it. *Aren't onions one of the foods that MMY didn't approve of?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Americanizing of Europe
Michael Jackson wrote: This has already been going on in the US courtesy of NAFTA. /So, you're opposed to free trade? For the life of me I can't understand why you'd be opposed to the free trade of tobacco and/or cannabis in Canada, the U.S. and Mexico. Talk about cognitive dissonance - MMY thought GMO's were bad; you think GMOs are bad, but you also think MMY is bad and he was a liar. ///You're not even making any sense. Do you ever think these things through before you press Send? ///Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1986 among the three nations, the leaders met in San Antonio, Texas, on December 17, 1992, to sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H. W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexican President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, ceremonially signed it.// // //http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Free_Trade_Agreement/ On 12/6/2014 3:29 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Your peers including Alex Jones hate NAFTA. Don't you remember H Ross Perot warning us about it in the Presidential Debates? He was right! Libertarians hate NAFTA. They also hate these new trade agreements. They aren't about free trade either. It's all about big corporate trade. Get a grip, Willie. You aren't making any sense. Go figure. Opponents like Alex Jones and Ross Perot rely on anecdotes to make their case, and when they use statistics, they are very selective. In the battle of sound bites and bumper stickers, NAFTA has become the short cut for venting anger about the alleged misdeeds of globalization. Go figure. According to what I've read, most economists regard NAFTA as a tremendous success, contributing to better jobs and higher income in the three partner countries, Canada, the U.S. and Mexico. On 12/6/2014 7:09 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Those economists wouldn't happen to hold court on FOX News, would they? No, I don't watch Fox News on TV, I read it on online. http://newswise.com/articles/view/541349/ http://www.iie.com/publications/papers/hufbauer-schott0808.pdf You so often seem to support the status quo. What have they done for you? There have been huge gains for the majority of U.S consumers through lower prices and increased variety. /NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement./ - President Bill Clinton
