Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Coming of the New World - lecture by Charlie Lutes (c1981)
For the record, I did not see a conspiracy in Charlie's speech. I noted that the philosophy or world view he expressed could be misused by fascist types masquerading as spiritually evolved souls--of which there are a few here in Ff. That is not at all the same thing as seeing a conspiracy. Apparently there is a conspiracy being "bandied about," but I was not aware of it. Now that I am, I find it somewhat amusing. "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > To me this is a form of witnessing and watching events with "eyes wide > open." With this ability one is able to observe things that don't > really add up. So no wonder people like us can see the conspiracies > others are blind to. I agree with you that some of us seem to be able to see that kind of bullshit and clearly, others can't. Many of us could clearly see all the lying and deception taking place leading up to the Iraq killing fields, for example. It seemed to me that most of the American people must be missing critical brain parts NOT to see that - it was so obvious. BUT to suggest that Angela really DID see a conspiracy in Charlie Lutes' lecture is just laughable and nuts, Bhairitu. Here's a conspiracy you can really sink your teeth into. If this stuff below is true, it further supports my information about who killed JFK. While the stuff below isn't about the JFK assassination keep in mind as you read this that George Bush Sr was a CIA liaison in Dallas when JFK was shot: Confessions of a Covert Agent Psychological Operations is my specialty. PsyOps. Everything I've done has been highly classified, all black programs and black operations. Some people I know thought I worked for the CIA, but it's much more complicated than that. I've worked with people in the CIA, DIA, NSC, NSA, SAIC, Army Intel and many more lesser known agencies within the intelligence apparatus. Before focusing on PsyOps I started out running covert combat missions, special operations. I was good at what I did and rose through the ranks fast. When the "War on Terror" started I was paid a lot of money to consult with private military contractors. When private paramilitary units needed to get the jobs done that paid the most money they would come to me with checkbooks filled with US taxpayer dough. I've seen the worst things imaginable, hell on earth. Had friends die in my arms. Seen piles of rotten corpses. Seen men, women and children tortured. I've seen the eyes of terrified and confused children being sold into a vicious life of slavery and an early death. I could get a lot more graphic, but you get the idea. That was my life, and all along I was told that I was fighting for freedom and working for the "good guys." What a ridiculous comment that is! In the black world, that is, in the covert world, there aren't any "good guys" just varying degrees of evil. As Brigadier General Butler famously stated, "War is a racket." It doesn't have anything to do with freedom and democracy. It is not good fighting evil. There's just a bunch of old greedy gangsta motherfuckers making obscene amounts of cash and breeding hatred, violence, terrorists and sex slaves. The truth is, there is no oversight! Meaning, you can get away with anything, nothing is illegal because no one knows about it, or the few who do are either in on it or have a vested interest in keeping quiet. Whether you're runnin' guns, weapons, drugs, gold, diamonds, women, children, it just doesn't matter. As long as the old guard gets their resources, it's all good. And in the end, it's all about power. The people who really run this planet know that natural resources (oil, water, coltan, cobalt, etc.) are the key. The "War on Terror" is just a front for a geo-strategic resource grab on a massive scale. Even the wars in Northern Africa are all about exploitation of resources. Once the good ole CIA boys at Bechtel did their NASA satellite studies of the Democratic Republic of Congo's (DRC) mineral resources and discovered that it was the "richest patch of earth on the planet," all hell broke loose! They figured out that the DRC has 80% of the world's coltan, among many other vital resources. Without coltan, you can't have any technology that requires a computer chip: computers, cell phones, satellites and weapon systems, of course. So Bechtel, the CitiBank boys, the World Bank, IMF and various covert elements have been supplying brutal regime after brutal regime in the region. Well over four million and counting have died there. Same thing with oil in the Middle East. Do you think they really give a shit about Iraqi freedom? We worked hard to make you believe that, but c'mon, they don't give a shit about the Iraqi people. They've killed about a MILLION of them! And that's NOT an exaggeration! They
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Coming of the New World - lecture by Charlie Lutes (c1981)
Lol, the great seer Charlie Lutes. ROTFL I'm still waiting on those blue oval shaped UFO's to show up that he predicted categorically for the mid-nineties. Still waitin' to get picked so I can get off this rock. OffWorld --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > It can be said that our world is really many worlds containing people > at various levels of consciousness and behavior patterns, living > within different geographical environments. So what may be truth for > one level of consciousness and for one environment is probably not > true for another. > > Some parts of the world reflect more negativity than other parts. Some > parts are so negative that they are unable to embody constructive > energy of expression. Also, some parts of the world will experience > disastrous impacts either from human causes such as wars, etc., or > from natural causes, such as earthquakes, tidal waves, fires, etc. > > The Earth at the present time is undergoing a cleansing of excess > negativity. So, disasters of one nature or another will occur unless > there are forces of creativity emerging in a strong fashion to > neutralize the destructive forces. If we are in tune with God then a > protective shield will surround us and keep us safe. > > In this world we experience just what we attract to ourselves, and > this is determined by our attitude and by our devotion to God. Those > who are in the process of expressing a more enlightened and positive > awareness in life are attracting to themselves only creative and > positive experiences. Their world holds no suffering or disaster for > them - such is the nature of the world and the nature of nature itself. > > At the present time we live in a dual world; one open to experiencing > negativity and destruction, the other open to manifesting positive > creativity and peace in the world. > > The coming of the new age heralds many changes; some radical and some > not so severe. These changes, though resisted by many, will come. They > will be destructive to many, yet uplifting to others. It will be the > end of the world for many, yet the beginning of a new world for many > more. If we live the law, the law will support us. If we do not > support the law, we will be abandoned by the self-same law. The first > law of creation is the law of love. > > In the future there will be many souls who will not be able to > incarnate on this planet, for to do so would be to expose themselves > to vibrations beyond their ability to withstand. On the other hand, > there are numerous higher beings who would like to incarnate upon this > Earth, only the vibrations at present are too low and too gross for > them, because the Earth of today does have very intense material > vibrations of a low nature. The Earth of tomorrow will, however, be a > vastly different heavenly Earth. That is why it will be called, Heaven > on Earth. > > Many people feel that destruction is a fast way into the new age, but > it is not. It only creates new burdens and in many cases retards our > progress. The object is not to destroy the old, but rather to > superimpose the new over the old. The Earth did not create the low > vibrations. The humans did this. > > The Earth is now in the process of raising its own vibrations so that > truly there will be a new heaven and a new Earth, and there will come > a flood of love that will cover the Earth from pole to pole. Those > coming into this Earth will be high souls, and the path to liberation > will be made much easier. Because then, we will have mastered our own > human nature and we will be on our way to become masters of nature and > ultimately masters of all of the universe. > > The prophesies of the scriptures will be fulfilled and there will be a > new heaven and a new Earth and a new Jerusalem (meaning spirituality) > will descend upon the Earth. A new Earth of heavenly vibrations will > create a new heaven and a new Jerusalem - this means spirituality will > descend upon the Earth and the devil (meaning negativity and > destructive forces) will be chained and cast into the bottomless pit; > meaning that where love and spirituality reign negativity and hate > cannot co-exist. > > It is the human who expresses one or the other. In the new age now > upon us only our God nature will be expressed, and heaven will be on > Earth for all to love and enjoy. We will now from day to day see the > breakups of old patterns and the coming forth of new age patterns that > will endure for two-thousand years. It will be very interesting for > some and a disaster for others. > > ~~ Lectures by Charlie Lutes > http://www.maharishiphotos.com/lecture2.html >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Coming of the New World - lecture by Charlie Lutes (c1981)
do.rflex wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [snip] > > >> To me this is a form of witnessing and watching events with "eyes wide >> open." With this ability one is able to observe things that don't >> really add up. So no wonder people like us can see the conspiracies >> others are blind to. >> > > > I agree with you that some of us seem to be able to see that kind of > bullshit and clearly, others can't. Many of us could clearly see all > the lying and deception taking place leading up to the Iraq killing > fields, for example. It seemed to me that most of the American people > must be missing critical brain parts NOT to see that - it was so obvious. > > The detachment is something a little different. I'm talking about it occurring during these shock incidents such as 9/11. It's more of a state of consciousness than an act of rationalization. > BUT to suggest that Angela really DID see a conspiracy in Charlie > Lutes' lecture is just laughable and nuts, Bhairitu. > > I was addressing the experience she mentioned about watching the ship go down. The TM conspiracy theory that is bandied about is that the Freemasons wanted to set up a Christianized form of Hinduism and TM was the target. They supposedly used Maharishi and I suppose they think that Charlie with his background in the "mystery schools" was the operative. I don't buy in to that but you can see how the theory might arise. Similarly it is claimed that Marshall McLuhan told John Lennon that the Beatles were being used by the establishment and after that Lennon did only charity concerts. > Here's a conspiracy you can really sink your teeth into. If this stuff > below is true, it further supports my information about who killed > JFK. While the stuff below isn't about the JFK assassination keep in > mind as you read this that George Bush Sr was a CIA liaison in Dallas > when JFK was shot: > > Confessions of a Covert Agent That's almost more of an opinion piece and reminds me of the article a few month back where someone claimed to be a PsyOp involved in 9-11. At the end of the piece you learned it was fictional but he made a lot of good points along the way. This is sort of the same style of writing so might be the same author. He makes some good points though, not that we haven't seen them before.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Coming of the New World - lecture by Charlie Lutes (c1981)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [snip] > To me this is a form of witnessing and watching events with "eyes wide > open." With this ability one is able to observe things that don't > really add up. So no wonder people like us can see the conspiracies > others are blind to. I agree with you that some of us seem to be able to see that kind of bullshit and clearly, others can't. Many of us could clearly see all the lying and deception taking place leading up to the Iraq killing fields, for example. It seemed to me that most of the American people must be missing critical brain parts NOT to see that - it was so obvious. BUT to suggest that Angela really DID see a conspiracy in Charlie Lutes' lecture is just laughable and nuts, Bhairitu. Here's a conspiracy you can really sink your teeth into. If this stuff below is true, it further supports my information about who killed JFK. While the stuff below isn't about the JFK assassination keep in mind as you read this that George Bush Sr was a CIA liaison in Dallas when JFK was shot: Confessions of a Covert Agent Psychological Operations is my specialty. PsyOps. Everything I've done has been highly classified, all black programs and black operations. Some people I know thought I worked for the CIA, but it's much more complicated than that. I've worked with people in the CIA, DIA, NSC, NSA, SAIC, Army Intel and many more lesser known agencies within the intelligence apparatus. Before focusing on PsyOps I started out running covert combat missions, special operations. I was good at what I did and rose through the ranks fast. When the "War on Terror" started I was paid a lot of money to consult with private military contractors. When private paramilitary units needed to get the jobs done that paid the most money they would come to me with checkbooks filled with US taxpayer dough. I've seen the worst things imaginable, hell on earth. Had friends die in my arms. Seen piles of rotten corpses. Seen men, women and children tortured. I've seen the eyes of terrified and confused children being sold into a vicious life of slavery and an early death. I could get a lot more graphic, but you get the idea. That was my life, and all along I was told that I was fighting for freedom and working for the "good guys." What a ridiculous comment that is! In the black world, that is, in the covert world, there aren't any "good guys" just varying degrees of evil. As Brigadier General Butler famously stated, "War is a racket." It doesn't have anything to do with freedom and democracy. It is not good fighting evil. There's just a bunch of old greedy gangsta motherfuckers making obscene amounts of cash and breeding hatred, violence, terrorists and sex slaves. The truth is, there is no oversight! Meaning, you can get away with anything, nothing is illegal because no one knows about it, or the few who do are either in on it or have a vested interest in keeping quiet. Whether you're runnin' guns, weapons, drugs, gold, diamonds, women, children, it just doesn't matter. As long as the old guard gets their resources, it's all good. And in the end, it's all about power. The people who really run this planet know that natural resources (oil, water, coltan, cobalt, etc.) are the key. The "War on Terror" is just a front for a geo-strategic resource grab on a massive scale. Even the wars in Northern Africa are all about exploitation of resources. Once the good ole CIA boys at Bechtel did their NASA satellite studies of the Democratic Republic of Congo's (DRC) mineral resources and discovered that it was the "richest patch of earth on the planet," all hell broke loose! They figured out that the DRC has 80% of the world's coltan, among many other vital resources. Without coltan, you can't have any technology that requires a computer chip: computers, cell phones, satellites and weapon systems, of course. So Bechtel, the CitiBank boys, the World Bank, IMF and various covert elements have been supplying brutal regime after brutal regime in the region. Well over four million and counting have died there. Same thing with oil in the Middle East. Do you think they really give a shit about Iraqi freedom? We worked hard to make you believe that, but c'mon, they don't give a shit about the Iraqi people. They've killed about a MILLION of them! And that's NOT an exaggeration! They sure as hell give a shit about Iraqi oil though. They also care about Saudi oil, and have a nice deal with a dictatorship that brutally oppresses their people. If freedom and democracy are the issue, how about freeing the Saudi people? Why do you think 15 of the 9/11 terrorists came from Saudi Arabia? We support a regime that oppresses those people. We support them because they cooperate on the oil front. So, why strike back at them? Let's hit Iraq. They don't give us any oil - let's get'em! If you look at the history of covert special operations, it's all about securing a p
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Coming of the New World - lecture by Charlie Lutes (c1981)
Angela, a couple years back on this group I mentioned that I felt nothing when 9/11 happened and just shrugged and thought "it finally happened here" and went on my usual morning walk. Not only did I experience that with 9/11 but also the Cuban Missile Crisis (I remember the girls in high school crying because they thought we were about to be nuked) and the JFK assassination too. Turq was probably the only one who chimed in and said he experience those events the same way. But people here thought I was awful for not feeling the emotions of the moment. I also got chastised by my sister for not crying when my mother passed away. My niece and I just looked at each other and told her we felt glad that my mother was finally freed from the suffering due to her disease. To me this is a form of witnessing and watching events with "eyes wide open." With this ability one is able to observe things that don't really add up. So no wonder people like us can see the conspiracies others are blind to. Angela Mailander wrote: > This is my last post of the week, so here goes: > A knowledge of history, or a question as to how certain philosophies might be > misused, is not tantamount to fear. I do not have my head in the sand, and I > have lived on this planet for 67 years in six different cultures with my eyes > open. I also do not understand why every time something is mentioned that is > not a Pollyanna view of the world as proscribed by the TMO and other > religious organizations, this automatically means that someone is plagued by > fear as if fear were somehow a less than honorable part of life. The key in > any event would be to master it. I don't know if I would have what it takes > to master fear because I have almost never experienced it. I have stood on > the deck of a ship and have watched another ship go down in a storm that was > threatening us as well. I was exhilarated, not afraid, and had to endure > flack from others for being too cold-blooded to be afraid and to grieve for > all the people who drowned--only three boys were saved later. If you see > fear in my words, your are reading your own. > > I'm pasting an essay below which says that we have passed the point of no > return in the global warming crisis. If this guy is right, and I've seen a > couple of other essays that make this claim, all of us have our heads in the > sand. But even this would not be enough to make me afraid. I am too old for > that and have been meditating for 60 plus years. Moreover, fear is not part > of my jyotish chart. In Western astrology, I'm an Aries; in Chinese > astrology, I'm a Spring Dragon. We tend to be pretty fearless. I also have > fearlessness in my blood. I'm a fourth generation refugee. Of course you're > free to call all that a river in Egypt. > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Coming of the New World - lecture by Charlie Lutes (c1981)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > This is my last post of the week, so here goes: > A knowledge of history, or a question as to how certain philosophies might be misused, is not tantamount to fear. I do not have my head in the sand, and I have lived on this planet for 67 years in six different cultures with my eyes open. I also do not understand why every time something is mentioned that is not a Pollyanna view of the world as proscribed by the TMO and other religious organizations, this automatically means that someone is plagued by fear as if fear were somehow a less than honorable part of life. The key in any event would be to master it. I don't know if I would have what it takes to master fear because I have almost never experienced it. I have stood on the deck of a ship and have watched another ship go down in a storm that was threatening us as well. I was exhilarated, not afraid, and had to endure flack from others for being too cold-blooded to be afraid and to grieve for all the people who drowned--only three boys were saved later. If you see > fear in my words, your are reading your own. > > I'm pasting an essay below which says that we have passed the point of no return in the global warming crisis. If this guy is right, and I've seen a couple of other essays that make this claim, all of us have our heads in the sand. But even this would not be enough to make me afraid. I am too old for that and have been meditating for 60 plus years. Moreover, fear is not part of my jyotish chart. In Western astrology, I'm an Aries; in Chinese astrology, I'm a Spring Dragon. We tend to be pretty fearless. I also have fearlessness in my blood. I'm a fourth generation refugee. Of course you're free to call all that a river in Egypt. == I'm not interested in continuing this conversation with you, Angela. I so completely disagree with so many of your premisses, presumptions, totally unjustified insinuations and assumptions [here and in most other threads where you've posted] that I don't' believe it's worth it to continue for either of us.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Coming of the New World - lecture by Charlie Lutes (c1981)
This is my last post of the week, so here goes: A knowledge of history, or a question as to how certain philosophies might be misused, is not tantamount to fear. I do not have my head in the sand, and I have lived on this planet for 67 years in six different cultures with my eyes open. I also do not understand why every time something is mentioned that is not a Pollyanna view of the world as proscribed by the TMO and other religious organizations, this automatically means that someone is plagued by fear as if fear were somehow a less than honorable part of life. The key in any event would be to master it. I don't know if I would have what it takes to master fear because I have almost never experienced it. I have stood on the deck of a ship and have watched another ship go down in a storm that was threatening us as well. I was exhilarated, not afraid, and had to endure flack from others for being too cold-blooded to be afraid and to grieve for all the people who drowned--only three boys were saved later. If you see fear in my words, your are reading your own. I'm pasting an essay below which says that we have passed the point of no return in the global warming crisis. If this guy is right, and I've seen a couple of other essays that make this claim, all of us have our heads in the sand. But even this would not be enough to make me afraid. I am too old for that and have been meditating for 60 plus years. Moreover, fear is not part of my jyotish chart. In Western astrology, I'm an Aries; in Chinese astrology, I'm a Spring Dragon. We tend to be pretty fearless. I also have fearlessness in my blood. I'm a fourth generation refugee. Of course you're free to call all that a river in Egypt. "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When I read a sentence like this, "Countries where there is terrible unrest, riots, revolutions, etc. indicate that these places are heavily inhabited by such destructive people who are causing turmoil wherever they are" I wonder if this includes countries like the ones in the Southern Cone which were developing nicely until the U.S. destabilized them. I guess this falls under the heading of creating war (and other types of unrest) out of greed. But that is not all Charlie says. When I read sentences like these, "If the unwanted destructive population continues to increase, the Earth will become like hell. These destructive people are not concerned with developing a trade or honorable profession in life; rather they prefer to live on welfare or steal from others, and then some deal in drugs, etc. to make a living from the misery of others," I wonder how big a step it takes to conclude from such writing that we ought to wipe these people out, never mind the fact that > we created them in the first place through economic and political policies. You appear to have an imagination driven by your own fears, Angela. It shows up in much of what you write. Again, nowhere in the lecture does Charlie say or even remotely suggest anything you are attempting to project. > > > "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander > wrote: > > > > Is Charlie saying that the poor and the desperate are born, not > nurtured by economic policies? Seems a pretty important question to me. > > I don't see anywhere in that lecture that Charlie said or even > remotely suggested anything like what you just asked about, Angela. > > [snip] > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Coming of the New World - lecture by Charlie Lutes (c1981)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > When I read a sentence like this, "Countries where there is terrible unrest, riots, revolutions, etc. indicate that these places are heavily inhabited by such destructive people who are causing turmoil wherever they are" I wonder if this includes countries like the ones in the Southern Cone which were developing nicely until the U.S. destabilized them. I guess this falls under the heading of creating war (and other types of unrest) out of greed. But that is not all Charlie says. When I read sentences like these, "If the unwanted destructive population continues to increase, the Earth will become like hell. These destructive people are not concerned with developing a trade or honorable profession in life; rather they prefer to live on welfare or steal from others, and then some deal in drugs, etc. to make a living from the misery of others," I wonder how big a step it takes to conclude from such writing that we ought to wipe these people out, never mind the fact that > we created them in the first place through economic and political policies. You appear to have an imagination driven by your own fears, Angela. It shows up in much of what you write. Again, nowhere in the lecture does Charlie say or even remotely suggest anything you are attempting to project. > > > "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander > wrote: > > > > Is Charlie saying that the poor and the desperate are born, not > nurtured by economic policies? Seems a pretty important question to me. > > I don't see anywhere in that lecture that Charlie said or even > remotely suggested anything like what you just asked about, Angela. > > [snip] > > > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com >
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Coming of the New World - lecture by Charlie Lutes (c1981)
When I read a sentence like this, Countries where there is terrible unrest, riots, revolutions, etc. indicate that these places are heavily inhabited by such destructive people who are causing turmoil wherever they are I wonder if this includes countries like the ones in the Southern Cone which were developing nicely until the U.S. destabilized them. I guess this falls under the heading of creating war (and other types of unrest) out of greed. But that is not all Charlie says. When I read sentences like these, If the unwanted destructive population continues to increase, the Earth will become like hell. These destructive people are not concerned with developing a trade or honorable profession in life; rather they prefer to live on welfare or steal from others, and then some deal in drugs, etc. to make a living from the misery of others, I wonder how big a step it takes to conclude from such writing that we ought to wipe these people out, never mind the fact that we created them in the first place through economic and political policies. "do.rflex" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is Charlie saying that the poor and the desperate are born, not nurtured by economic policies? Seems a pretty important question to me. I don't see anywhere in that lecture that Charlie said or even remotely suggested anything like what you just asked about, Angela. [snip] Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Coming of the New World - lecture by Charlie Lutes (c1981)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Angela Mailander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Is Charlie saying that the poor and the desperate are born, not nurtured by economic policies? Seems a pretty important question to me. I don't see anywhere in that lecture that Charlie said or even remotely suggested anything like what you just asked about, Angela. [snip]
