[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: Excellent! Hard for me to get around how apt these descriptions seem. On Jul 15, 2010, at 7:43 AM, TurquoiseB wrote: So, unlike some who have read the book and feel more compassion or understanding for Maharishi, I read what they have said on these forums and feel less. How could something so obvious not have been obvious to him? Some people have commented that Mahesh may fit the profile for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. And of course the thing about personality disorders, is they often occur in clusters with other personality disorders. Of the remaining 'believers' in Maheshism, several I've heard on the list would certainly raise an eyebrow for personality disorder issues themselves. So perhaps they are blinded to it in others? To them Mahesh seems normal. The World Health Organization's ICD-10 lists narcissistic personality disorder under (F60.8) Other specific personality disorders.[16] It is a requirement of ICD-10 that a diagnosis of any specific personality disorder also satisfies a set of general personality disorder criteria. Diagnostic criteria (DSM-IV): The essential feature of Narcissistic Personality Disorder is a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (either in fantasy or actual behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy that begins by early adulthood and is present in a variety of situations and environments. In order for a person to be diagnosed with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) they must meet five or more of the following symptoms: Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love Believes that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) Requires excessive admiration Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes. Interesting subtypes of NPD are: Any individual narcissist may exhibit none or one of the following: unprincipled narcissist - including antisocial features. A charlatan - is a fraudulent, exploitative, deceptive and unscrupulous individual. amorous narcissist - including histrionic features. The Don Juan of our times - is erotic, exhibitionist. compensatory narcissist - including negativistic (passive- aggressive), avoidant features. elitist narcissist - variant of pure pattern. Corresponds to Wilhelm Reich's phallic narcissistic personality type. fanatic type - including paranoid features. A severely narcissistically wounded individual, usually with major paranoid tendencies who holds onto an illusion of omnipotence.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltabl...@... wrote: curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Secrets like that form an intimate bond for the insiders and the master. I can't believe Jerry wasn't conflicted about all this happening under his nose. I beg your pardon ? How can you be sure anything particular was happening under Jerry's nose ? Because some psychic reader wrote a book ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Secrets like that form an intimate bond for the insiders and the master. I can't believe Jerry wasn't conflicted about all this happening under his nose. I beg your pardon ? How can you be sure anything particular was happening under Jerry's nose ? Because some psychic reader wrote a book ? And, even if Judith's book is true, how do we know that Jerry knew about it, and/or knew about it and didn't say or do anything about it. The bottom line is we don't know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, randyanand ra...@... wrote: And, even if Judith's book is true, how do we know that Jerry knew about it, and/or knew about it and didn't say or do anything about it. The bottom line is we don't know. This interpretation is not credible for me after having read the account. Jerry is not an idiot. The more credible interpretation for me is that he knew and rationalized it. YMMV --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Secrets like that form an intimate bond for the insiders and the master. I can't believe Jerry wasn't conflicted about all this happening under his nose. I beg your pardon ? How can you be sure anything particular was happening under Jerry's nose ? Because some psychic reader wrote a book ? And, even if Judith's book is true, how do we know that Jerry knew about it, and/or knew about it and didn't say or do anything about it. The bottom line is we don't know.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, randyanand ra...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Secrets like that form an intimate bond for the insiders and the master. I can't believe Jerry wasn't conflicted about all this happening under his nose. I beg your pardon ? How can you be sure anything particular was happening under Jerry's nose ? Because some psychic reader wrote a book ? And, even if Judith's book is true, how do we know that Jerry knew about it, and/or knew about it and didn't say or do anything about it. The bottom line is we don't know. Exactly. In any instance of a Kiss and Tell book when it comes to the intimate details of pillow talk, it amounts to he said, she said, except Maharishi ain't saying, nor can he. He may have had a roll in the hay with Judith and others, but I don't know that for sure and it would make no difference to my love of the TM practice if I did. Leave the dead guy alone unless you have and interest in salacious gossip, and yet, another excuse to psychoanalyze and bash Maharishi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Exactly. In any instance of a Kiss and Tell book when it comes to the intimate details of pillow talk, it amounts to he said, she said, except Maharishi ain't saying, nor can he. He may have had a roll in the hay with Judith and others, but I don't know that for sure I agree. We each need to evaluate the credibility of Judith's statements if we want to express an informed opinion on this. But we can know to whatever standards we personally maintain about credibility and assign the probability of the account being accurate. We are not in a position of knowing nothing now that this book is out unless we choose to ignore it. People get convicted in court every day in he said she said cases once the jury has made that determination for themselves. Absolute certainty is not an option. and it would make no difference to my love of the TM practice if I did. I respect your personal call on this. It also makes no difference to my TM practice. Leave the dead guy alone unless you have and interest in salacious gossip, and yet, another excuse to psychoanalyze and bash Maharishi. And I would like you to respect mine. This is not salacious gossip for me. It is an inquiry into the complex personality of a fascinating man who held great importance in my young adult life by a person who knew him more intimately than I did. My search for truth is no less laudable or sincere than anyone else here, even if it has lead me to different conclusions about Maharishi's teaching. Equating a physiological analysis of Maharishi with bashing is unnecessary negative reductionist spin on what is for me an useful insight into human nature. For me it does not bash Maharishi to form a more accurate view of him than what is presented by his own self-created PR machine. It is my genuine search for truth given much lip service in the movement until the evidence leads to more obvious conclusions than Maharishi's perfection. I respect your right to not be interested in this topic Raunchy. But phrases like leave the dead guy alone represents a lack of intellectual curiosity that I can't relate to. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, randyanand ra108@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Secrets like that form an intimate bond for the insiders and the master. I can't believe Jerry wasn't conflicted about all this happening under his nose. I beg your pardon ? How can you be sure anything particular was happening under Jerry's nose ? Because some psychic reader wrote a book ? And, even if Judith's book is true, how do we know that Jerry knew about it, and/or knew about it and didn't say or do anything about it. The bottom line is we don't know. Exactly. In any instance of a Kiss and Tell book when it comes to the intimate details of pillow talk, it amounts to he said, she said, except Maharishi ain't saying, nor can he. He may have had a roll in the hay with Judith and others, but I don't know that for sure and it would make no difference to my love of the TM practice if I did. Leave the dead guy alone unless you have and interest in salacious gossip, and yet, another excuse to psychoanalyze and bash Maharishi.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
The bottom line is we don't know. raunchydog: Exactly. In any instance of a Kiss and Tell book when it comes to the intimate details of pillow talk, it amounts to he said, she said, except Maharishi ain't saying, nor can he. He may have had a roll in the hay with Judith But, did she enjoy? and others, but I don't know that for sure and it would make no difference to my love of the TM practice if I did. Leave the dead guy alone unless you have and interest in salacious gossip, and yet, another excuse to psychoanalyze and bash Maharishi. So, why would someone like Judith want to seduce the Maharishi? Power? Hormones? Love? And why would she want to write a book about it, without mentioning Connie Larsson and the Sai Baba? Are we to assume that giving the Maharishi a full body massage and then writing a book about it, is much more important to Judith than telling us about Sai Baba and the pedophilia? Go figure.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: A charlatan - is a fraudulent, exploitative, deceptive and unscrupulous individual. Sounds like Vaj is describing himself :-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 11:40 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex And, even if Judith's book is true, how do we know that Jerry knew about it, and/or knew about it and didn't say or do anything about it. The bottom line is we don't know. Exactly. In any instance of a Kiss and Tell book when it comes to the intimate details of pillow talk, it amounts to he said, she said, except Maharishi ain't saying, nor can he. He may have had a roll in the hay with Judith and others, but I don't know that for sure and it would make no difference to my love of the TM practice if I did. Leave the dead guy alone unless you have and interest in salacious gossip, and yet, another excuse to psychoanalyze and bash Maharishi. My last post of the week. The reason I think this book is important is that it may enable the Movement or at least many people in it to grow up. Which is why, if Judith's dream is to be believed, Maharishi wanted her to publish it. The TMO could still flourish if it divested itself of the nonsense that accumulated as MMY progressively lost his bearings. And individually, people will grow a lot if they learn to think for themselves, stop regarding everything MMY said or did as divinely inspired, take what they need, and leave the rest.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer r...@... wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of raunchydog Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 11:40 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex And, even if Judith's book is true, how do we know that Jerry knew about it, and/or knew about it and didn't say or do anything about it. The bottom line is we don't know. Exactly. In any instance of a Kiss and Tell book when it comes to the intimate details of pillow talk, it amounts to he said, she said, except Maharishi ain't saying, nor can he. He may have had a roll in the hay with Judith and others, but I don't know that for sure and it would make no difference to my love of the TM practice if I did. Leave the dead guy alone unless you have and interest in salacious gossip, and yet, another excuse to psychoanalyze and bash Maharishi. My last post of the week. The reason I think this book is important is that it may enable the Movement or at least many people in it to grow up. Which is why, if Judith's dream is to be believed, Maharishi wanted her to publish it. Rich Archers wet dream.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
curtisdeltablues wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, raunchydog raunchy...@... wrote: Exactly. In any instance of a Kiss and Tell book when it comes to the intimate details of pillow talk, it amounts to he said, she said, except Maharishi ain't saying, nor can he. He may have had a roll in the hay with Judith and others, but I don't know that for sure I agree. We each need to evaluate the credibility of Judith's statements if we want to express an informed opinion on this. But we can know to whatever standards we personally maintain about credibility and assign the probability of the account being accurate. We are not in a position of knowing nothing now that this book is out unless we choose to ignore it. People get convicted in court every day in he said she said cases once the jury has made that determination for themselves. Absolute certainty is not an option. An acquaintance wrote a book about his experiences in India and was having a friend help edit it. According to my friend the publisher kept asking for more sex stuff to help the book sell.
[FairfieldLife] Re: The Maharishi's Personality Disorders, was Teacher-student sex
vajradhatu: A charlatan -- is a fraudulent, exploitative, deceptive and unscrupulous individual. Nab: Sounds like Vaj is describing himself :-) So, 'Vajradhatu' was the name of the umbrella organization of Chögyam Trungpa Rinpoche, and so that makes Vaj a charlatan and a fraudulent, exploitative, deceptive and unscrupulous individual? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vajradhatu In late November 1988, rumors began to circulate that the Vajra Regent Ösel Tendzin was sick with AIDS and that he may have infected a sangha member with HIV... http://www.chronicleproject.com/tcs.html
