[FairfieldLife] Re: The Schizophrenic TM movement

[do.rflex]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


[snip]


 So I still hope there are people meditating regularly to find out
 where it all leads, although I think we might already know. Meditation
 is a nice break in your day.  It can help you feel centered which is
 no small feat in a hustle bustle world.  But it isn't worth putting on
 a golden hat for, is it?
 
 I hope others will weigh in.  I am especially interested in people who
 have reconciled the silliness with what they value in the movement. 
 Do they also see it as a schizophrenic movement?  What am I missing?


For me, the Transcendental Meditation has brought me satisfactorily
far beyond what I expected - but where and what it has brought me has
absolutely ZERO in reference to or in common with what I see as the
total utter bullshit of the TMO.

That may be in part because apart from and because of my experience of
the TM I've committed myself to the basic principles found in
religious texts and synthesized in the words I've come across from
Guru Dev [SBS] - in particular, looking to God. 

I truly don't see how anyone can honestly strive for individual
*genuine* realization within a context that is so full of everything
I've thoroughly despised my whole life - mainly characterized by
pretense, ignorance, posturing, irrelevance, lack of authenticity,
sycophantic subservience to blatantly obvious incongruity and clear
absurdity, obeisance to money and pecking order status, --- I could
make a very big list. 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Schizophrenic TM movement

[curtisdeltablues]

 That may be in part because apart from and because of my experience
of  the TM I've committed myself to the basic principles found in
 religious texts and synthesized in the words I've come across from
 Guru Dev [SBS] - in particular, looking to God.

Thanks for your thoughts.  I suspect I would have ended up with this
approach if I had continued with a spiritual orientation. Very
interesting. 
 


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
 
 [snip]
 
 
  So I still hope there are people meditating regularly to find out
  where it all leads, although I think we might already know. Meditation
  is a nice break in your day.  It can help you feel centered which is
  no small feat in a hustle bustle world.  But it isn't worth putting on
  a golden hat for, is it?
  
  I hope others will weigh in.  I am especially interested in people who
  have reconciled the silliness with what they value in the movement. 
  Do they also see it as a schizophrenic movement?  What am I missing?
 
 
 For me, the Transcendental Meditation has brought me satisfactorily
 far beyond what I expected - but where and what it has brought me has
 absolutely ZERO in reference to or in common with what I see as the
 total utter bullshit of the TMO.
 
 That may be in part because apart from and because of my experience of
 the TM I've committed myself to the basic principles found in
 religious texts and synthesized in the words I've come across from
 Guru Dev [SBS] - in particular, looking to God. 
 
 I truly don't see how anyone can honestly strive for individual
 *genuine* realization within a context that is so full of everything
 I've thoroughly despised my whole life - mainly characterized by
 pretense, ignorance, posturing, irrelevance, lack of authenticity,
 sycophantic subservience to blatantly obvious incongruity and clear
 absurdity, obeisance to money and pecking order status, --- I could
 make a very big list.

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Schizophrenic TM movement

[dhamiltony2k5]

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  That may be in part because apart from and because of my 
experience
 of  the TM I've committed myself to the basic principles found in
  religious texts and synthesized in the words I've come across from
  Guru Dev [SBS] - in particular, looking to God.
 
 Thanks for your thoughts.  I suspect I would have ended up with this
 approach if I had continued with a spiritual orientation. Very
 interesting. 

Curtis, stop your singing of the blues, you are an immortal soul.  
Repent your ways and turn to the light.

Your old Quaker Friend, -Doug in FF

  
 
 
 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
 
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
  curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
  
  
  [snip]
  
  
   So I still hope there are people meditating regularly to find 
out
   where it all leads, although I think we might already know. 
Meditation
   is a nice break in your day.  It can help you feel centered 
which is
   no small feat in a hustle bustle world.  But it isn't worth 
putting on
   a golden hat for, is it?
   
   I hope others will weigh in.  I am especially interested in 
people who
   have reconciled the silliness with what they value in the 
movement. 
   Do they also see it as a schizophrenic movement?  What am I 
missing?
  
  
  For me, the Transcendental Meditation has brought me 
satisfactorily
  far beyond what I expected - but where and what it has brought me 
has
  absolutely ZERO in reference to or in common with what I see as 
the
  total utter bullshit of the TMO.
  
  That may be in part because apart from and because of my 
experience of
  the TM I've committed myself to the basic principles found in
  religious texts and synthesized in the words I've come across from
  Guru Dev [SBS] - in particular, looking to God. 
  
  I truly don't see how anyone can honestly strive for individual
  *genuine* realization within a context that is so full of 
everything
  I've thoroughly despised my whole life - mainly characterized by
  pretense, ignorance, posturing, irrelevance, lack of authenticity,
  sycophantic subservience to blatantly obvious incongruity and 
clear
  absurdity, obeisance to money and pecking order status, --- I 
could
  make a very big list.
 

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Schizophrenic TM movement

[curtisdeltablues]

Curtis, stop your singing of the blues

Giving voice to my humanity IS my light Doug.  Not digging my artistic
life is no crime.  Choose your own music and enjoy it.  May I suggest
some Donovan. 

you are an immortal soul.

I'll say!  Oh wait, I thought you said immoral soul.  Sorry, I take
that back.
 
 Repent your ways and turn to the light.

Thanks for the clarification.  I've been following the advise of that
 tiny lady in Poltergeist Turn away from the light... 

So I am in darkness and you are in light...wait a minute, your post
sounds friendly but you are really putting me down!  Damn I wish I
could sort through these mixed messages quicker!

 Your old Quaker Friend, -Doug in FF

Not if you try words like repent on me and tell me to stop my life's
work.  Assuming that my life is not as full of value and meaning as
yours is about the most unfriendly condescension I can imagine.  Doug
I'm afraid I can't remember you from my past. Sorry for that.  You are
welcome to email me if you want to re-connect, but you'll have to
knock off the Biblical shit man.  I've got no more to repent for
than you do.

Wait a second...Richard Nixon was a Quaker, Richard is that you
talking to me from the light?  Richard...






--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, dhamiltony2k5
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
 curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
 
   That may be in part because apart from and because of my 
 experience
  of  the TM I've committed myself to the basic principles found in
   religious texts and synthesized in the words I've come across from
   Guru Dev [SBS] - in particular, looking to God.
  
  Thanks for your thoughts.  I suspect I would have ended up with this
  approach if I had continued with a spiritual orientation. Very
  interesting. 
 
 Curtis, stop your singing of the blues, you are an immortal soul.  
 Repent your ways and turn to the light.
 
 Your old Quaker Friend, -Doug in FF
 
   
  
  
  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, do.rflex do.rflex@ wrote:
  
   --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues
   curtisdeltablues@ wrote:
   
   
   [snip]
   
   
So I still hope there are people meditating regularly to find 
 out
where it all leads, although I think we might already know. 
 Meditation
is a nice break in your day.  It can help you feel centered 
 which is
no small feat in a hustle bustle world.  But it isn't worth 
 putting on
a golden hat for, is it?

I hope others will weigh in.  I am especially interested in 
 people who
have reconciled the silliness with what they value in the 
 movement. 
Do they also see it as a schizophrenic movement?  What am I 
 missing?
   
   
   For me, the Transcendental Meditation has brought me 
 satisfactorily
   far beyond what I expected - but where and what it has brought me 
 has
   absolutely ZERO in reference to or in common with what I see as 
 the
   total utter bullshit of the TMO.
   
   That may be in part because apart from and because of my 
 experience of
   the TM I've committed myself to the basic principles found in
   religious texts and synthesized in the words I've come across from
   Guru Dev [SBS] - in particular, looking to God. 
   
   I truly don't see how anyone can honestly strive for individual
   *genuine* realization within a context that is so full of 
 everything
   I've thoroughly despised my whole life - mainly characterized by
   pretense, ignorance, posturing, irrelevance, lack of authenticity,
   sycophantic subservience to blatantly obvious incongruity and 
 clear
   absurdity, obeisance to money and pecking order status, --- I 
 could
   make a very big list.
  
 

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Schizophrenic TM movement

[Sal Sunshine]

On Jan 16, 2008, at 11:59 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:


Not if you try words like repent on me and tell me to stop my life's
work.  Assuming that my life is not as full of value and meaning as
yours is about the most unfriendly condescension I can imagine.  Doug
I'm afraid I can't remember you from my past. Sorry for that.  You are
welcome to email me if you want to re-connect, but you'll have to
knock off the Biblical shit man.  I've got no more to repent for
than you do.

Wait a second...Richard Nixon was a Quaker, Richard is that you
talking to me from the light?  Richard...


That does it, Curtis.  I'm channeling Jerry Falwell right now and  
asking him to permanently revoke your Heavenly Dome Badge.


Sal

[FairfieldLife] Re: The Schizophrenic TM movement

[tertonzeno]

-You're absolutely right on target!.  Now, the TM Movement, (what's 
left of it), is berift of both real science and religion. All that 
remains is those phoney birthday Raja hats.

-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The last few days have really been helpful for me to get a look at
 what the modern movement is like.  Being an outsider for the last 18
 years, I have only gotten small glimpses of what goes on in the
 movement through print mostly.  To have a chance to watch a
 celebration? online has been very instructive.  Of course the
 movement is much more diverse than this event, but looking at the
 people at the top of the heap does give some insight into what its 
all
 about.
 
 At one point there was a song presented by Mother Divine singers 
where
 they basically repeated some of the names of Mother Divine.  To get
 back to the perspective that they were talking about laws of nature
 seems like a long trek...
 
 Oh gravity, I love you so,you are divine from your head to your 
toe...
 
 These chicks were religiously devoted to Mother Divine as a living
 deity, period. Of course this has been going on undercover for 
years,
 but hearing it at such a public event offered some insight into the
 way it works for the movement now.  You are either on board or off
 now.  There is less of the sneakiness that I used to rail about 
when I
 first left the movement.  You can't put your crazy uncle with the
 crown in the closet when guests come anymore.
 
 There was a lot of discussions by Rajas of all the land the movement
 bought around the world.  Because it was in the background most of 
the
 time while I puttered around it often seemed like a real estate
 investor's convention.  There was very little discussion of
 knowledge.  These old dudes were talking acquisitions, land,
 building projects.  I expected to have the Raja of county building
 permits step up to the mike at any moment.  They seemed like a lot 
of
 rich guys whose conversations I overhear in posh restaurants in DC.
 Fat guys crowing about their stuff, and more stuff, and the plans 
for
 even more stuff, pass the mashed potatoes and don't forget the 
gravy.
 For God sake, don't forget the gravy.
 
 I think that the Indianization of TM has really torpedoed MMY's
 original goal of spreading meditation.  It was inevitable because I
 believe that MMY was really just pretending to respect science for a
 while.  He was only using it as a superficial cover for introducing
 his religious beliefs into Western culture.  Now this isn't 
troubling
 for me really because I am a fan of studying religions. But the
 problem for me is that something else has been lost.
 
 That something else is a sincere desire to study meditation 
techniques
 to understand our humanity better.  The spirit of brave exploration
 has been replaced with a glossy brochure explaining what it all
 means in basically fundamentalist Hindu terms.  I am sort of 
thinking
 of Judy's perspective on what she knows and what she doesn't know 
from
 her meditation experiences.  She seems pretty clear on drawing her 
own
 lines.  I have to figure that she is not alone in practicing TM and
 not buying the whole belief package. Maintaining a wait as see
 attitude about some of the more extravigant claims.
 
 But overshadowing this approach is the 6 year old's birthday party
 with the silly hats...Guys like Heiglin gave up his science, chucked
 it willingly.  And he was a physics badass in the day right?  Tony
 nosejob Nadar throws out his science background to become Nadar 
Raj,
 WTF?  He bought into a complete explanation from a traditional
 perspective instead of continuing the humble search for answers.  He
 sold his intellectual integrity for a party hat.  This may be the
 reason he gets such a rise out of me.  He knew better.
 
 So these are just thoughts in progress.  This is an interesting time
 to re-think the TM group and MMY.  In his address I really got the
 impression that MMY has been winging it all.  He just threw out his
 stuff and reacted to the world's interest.  He keeps talking about 
his
 constant working.  It is a theme for him, always has been.  
Tireless
 working is the highest virtue in his universe, and you find that out
 pretty quickly if you try to hang with him.  He has always been a
 human doing, not a human being.  A whirlwind of poorly planned 
new
 projects crushing old projects before any of them had a chance to
 work.  In India he changed his mind every day about what we should 
be
 focusing on. We thought it was sooo cute and enlightened.  Now I
 honestly believe the guy is seriously ADD and a little ritalin might
 have saved people around him a lot of pain.
 
 Lip service paid to knowledge, but never the patience to really
 develop thoughts beyond what could be put on a poster of slogans. 
MMY
 has always been a sloganeer,not a careful thinker IMO. Couldn't even
 finish the Gita commentary for God's sake!  The