[FairfieldLife] Re: The answer as to the where abouts of Guru Dev's 'Spirit'...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brahmachari 'Swami' Satyanand speaking c1967 about Guru Dev's 'nirvana',:- snip just a half a minute or two seconds after, a flash came and it appeared to me that Guru Dev was scolding me; What a fool you are! You have been with me for all these many months and years, and you heard my discourses too. Is it a moment of feeling sorry? Why should you be sorry today? And you think that I am gone, where am I gone? Till now whenever you wanted to meet me, you had, you had to come to the place where I was, and today when I have attained nirvana, I am everywhere, I am omnipresent. Where have I gone? Very foolish for you to mourn on this occasion. I am with you, here, there, everywhere. Why should you be sorry? Lovely. I think that's a wonderful insight into the nature of omnipresence, as opposed to continued presence. One of the metaphors that the Rama guy I studied with used that I always liked was the teacher as doorway. The enlightened teacher -- if that is what you consider them to be -- is best viewed as a doorway to the infinite. If he or she is living the infinite on a daily basis, then when you look at them you're really looking through them, to what's really important. *They* are not important at all, except *as* a doorway to the infinite. The problem that arises sometimes is that students get fixated on the doorway, and forget to look through it, to what is really important. Thus when the doorway dies, they often find themselves look- ing for the infinite in the form of something very finite -- the teacher, the doorway -- when in reality, it's everywhere and everything. I do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the men of old; I seek the things they sought. -- Basho
[FairfieldLife] Re: The answer as to the where abouts of Guru Dev's 'Spirit'...
---that's all true: (bodiless Enlightened Guru is everywhere); but so is everything else. The real question is, does the Guru still appear to people in a subtle body? Yes. In 1988 Guru Dev appeared to me in the dream state, in a brilliant vision, and initiated me into a Durga mantra. Jesus appears to people in visions and the dream state. So does Ramana Maharshi. Are these subtle bodies real compared to physical bodies. Yes, even more so!. One might say, these bodies are only holographic simulacra. That's what all bodies are anyway. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Magoo wgm4u@ wrote: Brahmachari 'Swami' Satyanand speaking c1967 about Guru Dev's 'nirvana',:- snip just a half a minute or two seconds after, a flash came and it appeared to me that Guru Dev was scolding me; What a fool you are! You have been with me for all these many months and years, and you heard my discourses too. Is it a moment of feeling sorry? Why should you be sorry today? And you think that I am gone, where am I gone? Till now whenever you wanted to meet me, you had, you had to come to the place where I was, and today when I have attained nirvana, I am everywhere, I am omnipresent. Where have I gone? Very foolish for you to mourn on this occasion. I am with you, here, there, everywhere. Why should you be sorry? Lovely. I think that's a wonderful insight into the nature of omnipresence, as opposed to continued presence. One of the metaphors that the Rama guy I studied with used that I always liked was the teacher as doorway. The enlightened teacher -- if that is what you consider them to be -- is best viewed as a doorway to the infinite. If he or she is living the infinite on a daily basis, then when you look at them you're really looking through them, to what's really important. *They* are not important at all, except *as* a doorway to the infinite. The problem that arises sometimes is that students get fixated on the doorway, and forget to look through it, to what is really important. Thus when the doorway dies, they often find themselves look- ing for the infinite in the form of something very finite -- the teacher, the doorway -- when in reality, it's everywhere and everything. I do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the men of old; I seek the things they sought. -- Basho
[FairfieldLife] Re: The answer as to the where abouts of Guru Dev's 'Spirit'...
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip Lovely. I think that's a wonderful insight into the nature of omnipresence, as opposed to continued presence. One of the metaphors that the Rama guy I studied with used that I always liked was the teacher as doorway. The enlightened teacher -- if that is what you consider them to be -- is best viewed as a doorway to the infinite. If he or she is living the infinite on a daily basis, then when you look at them you're really looking through them, to what's really important. *They* are not important at all, except *as* a doorway to the infinite. Nicely put, I recently heard a nice commentary on the role of the *guru* stating that when one rises about body consciousness the Master's (guru's) face appears to show you the way. The significance is the *familiarity* of the face which acts as a guide or an 'on ramp' if you wish to the Divine Spirit. The problem that arises sometimes is that students get fixated on the doorway, and forget to look through it, to what is really important. Thus when the doorway dies, they often find themselves look- ing for the infinite in the form of something very finite -- the teacher, the doorway -- when in reality, it's everywhere and everything. Right on! I do not seek to follow in the footsteps of the men of old; I seek the things they sought. -- Basho
