[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Bec
--- In
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Jim Flanegin writes snipped:
--he needs to be able to discriminate
between reality and non-reality, regardless of how he expresses or
doesn't express this ability. I am not a fan of overblown
intellectual or academic arguments. A piercing intellect in an
enlightened state need never be obviously expressed-- it just is.:-
)
Tom T:
Patanjali final vs (55) of Chapter 3
When the translucent intellect is as clear as the Self. There is
enlightenment.
sattva-puruSayoH shuddhi-saamye kaivalyam
In purity-equality(shuddhi-saamye; locative singular)
of sattva[and]puruSa (sattva-puruSayoH; genitive dual)
kaivalya (kaivalyam).
kaivalya n. (fr. %{ke4vala}) , isolation Va1m. ; absolute unity
Veda7ntas. BhP. ; perfect isolation , abstraction , detachment from
all other connections , detachment of the soul from matter or
further transmigrations , beatitude MBh. KapS. Sa1m2khyak. c. ; for
%{vaikalya} Ra1jat. vii , 1149 ; (mf(%{A})n.) leading to eternal
happiness or emancipation MBh. xiii , 1101.
'kaivalya' is derived from 'kevala':
kevala m. (nom. pl. %{e} RV. x , 51 , 9) f. (%{I} RV. x , 73 , 6 AV.
S3Br. ; %{A} Mn. c. see Pa1n2. 4-1 , 30)n. (in comp. Pa1n2. 2-1 ,
49) exclusively one's own (not common to others) RV. AV. ; alone ,
only , mere , sole , one , excluding others RV. AV. TS. c. ; not
connected with anything else , isolated , abstract , absolute
[310,1] ; simple , pure , uncompounded , unmingled S3Br. c. ;
entire , whole , all Mn. MBh. c. ; selfish , envious L. ;
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Lurk, I missed Cliff Rees (not spelled Reese?) posting here? He was a very interesting movement guy if it was the same guy I knew. What posts can you direct me to? I would like to read his perspective on his movement life if he posted it. Cliff was well traveled, and had the opportunity to rise into the higher echelons of TMO because of his business dealings. So, he always had plenty of good stories to share in this regard. His handle was Cliffthedancer, and as well, he always had some fun stories to share about his personal life. He also served well as a reality check, and could come down hard on either side of the divide, political or otherwise. Perhaps it was in this regard that he ran into interference with Judy. I think some the frustration with Judy is that many come to FFL for some easy banter, interesting discussion, venting, and Judy comes with her game face on. Not to say that Judy can't show a lighter side, (she does have a good dry sense of humor IMO), but the discussion can pretty quickly ramp up to a level that squeezes out the fun. lurk What she has to offer is well known-- if someone doesn't want to play, all they have to do is respond with silence. I've never seen her hound someone into responding.:-) If someone can't stand her piercing intellect so be it. I enjoy her tearing inaccurasies to pieces. My vote is for the AMT-gang to retire home, but Judy should stay here. Someone oughta remind folks *who are interested* (and *only* those who are interested...) that a piercing intellect is a requirement for Enlightenment...Even Byron Katie would agree.:-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jim_flanegin Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become Someone oughta remind folks *who are interested* (and *only* those who are interested...) that a piercing intellect is a requirement for Enlightenment...Even Byron Katie would agree.:-) Maybe, but Trotaka didn’t have one, and I once heard MMY tell Charlie Donahue that “all this logic and exactness could just be a symptom of stress.” No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: 8/28/2007 4:29 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could
Rick writes snipped: --- many have left because they got sick of the bickering, even if they didn't participate in it. You and the rest of the AMT crowd have been valuable contributors, and I would hate to lose you, but as I recall,FFL was a much more harmonious place before you all arrived. Tom T wrote: We all are sick to death of it. If you insist then take it back to AMT where no one gives a sh*t what you say or do. You tell 'em, Tom - send the rascals, Judy, the two Barry's BillyG, Kirk, John, George, and Vaj back to Usenet where they belong, so they can bicker all they want to. Why they'd want to post here is beyond me. Only one of them, that I know of, has ever even been to Fairfield, IA, but none of them have porbably been within 1,000 miles of a Marshy Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge in over twenty years. This used to be a nice forum to visit. Whatever happened to those nice guys Tom Pall and Steve Perino?
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I fully agree with Tom Traynor. I do NOT like no one can certainly ENJOY the negative thoughts t often expressed here. The negative expressions also are t frequently expressed very crudely with 4 letter words offensive to say irritating to see or read. THANKS for my delete button used t ofter . I enjoy learn Knowledge of TM its history etc. reading of others experiences expressed kindly thought fully as well. I also enjoy news of FF its environs including MUM its buildings staff faculty. The happenings in town of FF of course the Vedic cite the areas around both places there parks cites restaurants new old as well. my great thanks for all of this to U Rick for limiting posts so they may be more concise better thought out with NO exceptions each of us believe we may be exception to this more easily enforced understood rule stick to the rule THANKS ** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jim_flanegin Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become Someone oughta remind folks *who are interested* (and *only* those who are interested...) that a piercing intellect is a requirement for Enlightenment...Even Byron Katie would agree.:-) Maybe, but Trotaka didn't have one, and I once heard MMY tell Charlie Donahue that all this logic and exactness could just be a symptom of stress. You may be confusing the expression with the established reality. I am not advocating or suggesting that those in an enlightened state go around slicing and dicing as part of their personalities, but nonetheless even for Trotoka, he needs to be able to discriminate between reality and non-reality, regardless of how he expresses or doesn't express this ability. I am not a fan of overblown intellectual or academic arguments. A piercing intellect in an enlightened state need never be obviously expressed-- it just is.:-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
To paraphrase a Japanese poet: Such piercing chill I feel My dead guru's sandal at his altar under my heel heh heh Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of jim_flanegin Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 2:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become Someone oughta remind folks *who are interested* (and *only* those who are interested...) that a piercing intellect is a requirement for Enlightenment...Even Byron Katie would agree.:-) Maybe, but Trotaka didnt have one, and I once heard MMY tell Charlie Donahue that all this logic and exactness could just be a symptom of stress. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: 8/28/2007 4:29 PM - Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Bec
Jim Flanegin writes snipped: --he needs to be able to discriminate between reality and non-reality, regardless of how he expresses or doesn't express this ability. I am not a fan of overblown intellectual or academic arguments. A piercing intellect in an enlightened state need never be obviously expressed-- it just is.:-) Tom T: Patanjali final vs (55) of Chapter 3 When the translucent intellect is as clear as the Self. There is enlightenment.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could
Richard J. Williams wrote: Rick writes snipped: --- many have left because they got sick of the bickering, even if they didn't participate in it. You and the rest of the AMT crowd have been valuable contributors, and I would hate to lose you, but as I recall,FFL was a much more harmonious place before you all arrived. Tom T wrote: We all are sick to death of it. If you insist then take it back to AMT where no one gives a sh*t what you say or do. You tell 'em, Tom - send the rascals, Judy, the two Barry's BillyG, Kirk, John, George, and Vaj back to Usenet where they belong, so they can bicker all they want to. Why they'd want to post here is beyond me. Only one of them, that I know of, has ever even been to Fairfield, IA, but none of them have porbably been within 1,000 miles of a Marshy Golden Dome of Pure Knowledge in over twenty years. This used to be a nice forum to visit. Whatever happened to those nice guys Tom Pall and Steve Perino? You're an AMT alum too and very well known for your trolling there. FYI, I have been in Fairfield, IA. Put that in your chillum and smoke it. I don't think that Rick wants to limit FFL to bliss ninnies. He probably wouldn't stick around himself.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to Tomt re: Byron Katie .. So shut the f*ck up; you have nothing to contribute. (Nor does she, at least on that score.) Pretty harsh stuff for someone who is expressing his opinion or POV. lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jstein@ wrote: to Tomt re: Byron Katie .. So shut the f*ck up; you have nothing to contribute. (Nor does she, at least on that score.) Pretty harsh stuff for someone who is expressing his opinion or POV. Go back and look at what you snipped that led up to my comment. My point was that Tom's gotten himself caught in an infinite regress that literally leaves him with nothing to say. (And note that Tom himself used a four-letter word in the interests of trying to shut *me* up.)
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Go back and look at what you snipped that led up to my comment. snip (And note that Tom himself used a four-letter word in the interests of trying to shut *me* up.) Oh, i guess I missed that. lurk
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
--- lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lurk, I missed Cliff Rees (not spelled Reese?) posting here? He was a very interesting movement guy if it was the same guy I knew. What posts can you direct me to? I would like to read his perspective on his movement life if he posted it. Cliff was well traveled, and had the opportunity to rise into the higher echelons of TMO because of his business dealings. So, he always had plenty of good stories to share in this regard. His handle was Cliffthedancer, and as well, he always had some fun stories to share about his personal life. He also served well as a reality check, and could come down hard on either side of the divide, political or otherwise. Perhaps it was in this regard that he ran into interference with Judy. I think some the frustration with Judy is that many come to FFL for some easy banter, interesting discussion, venting, and Judy comes with her game face on. Not to say that Judy can't show a lighter side, (she does have a good dry sense of humor IMO), but the discussion can pretty quickly ramp up to a level that squeezes out the fun. lurk Lurk, you are such a liar. ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 12:14 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lurk, I missed Cliff Rees (not spelled Reese?) posting here? He was a very interesting movement guy if it was the same guy I knew. What posts can you direct me to? I would like to read his perspective on his movement life if he posted it. I forwarded this to Cliff. Does the search function in Yahoo groups let you search by the poster’s ID? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: 8/28/2007 4:29 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: snip Cliff was well traveled, and had the opportunity to rise into the higher echelons of TMO because of his business dealings. So, he always had plenty of good stories to share in this regard. His handle was Cliffthedancer, and as well, he always had some fun stories to share about his personal life. He also served well as a reality check, and could come down hard on either side of the divide, political or otherwise. Perhaps it was in this regard that he ran into interference with Judy. Actually, he ran into interference with me because he repeatedly misconstrued what I'd said and tried to put me down for what he *thought* I'd said. He didn't like being corrected and usually backed out of a potentially productive discussion rather than deal with what I *had* said, because that would have meant at least tacitly conceding he'd gotten it wrong the first time. It was really pretty strange, because he *was* generally a very clear thinker. I'll never forget the post in which he announced, in response to a post in which I'd leveled some criticism of George W. Bush, that I was incapable of imagining anything Bush could do that I'd approve of. Or the time when I said something negative about Wal-Mart and he demanded to know whether I'd ever run a large corporation. Or the post during the strip-tease discussion when he claimed I was telling women what they could or could not do with their bodies. I mean, it was just amazing. I think some the frustration with Judy is that many come to FFL for some easy banter, interesting discussion, venting, and Judy comes with her game face on. And I'm the only one here to whom that applies?? Good GRIEF. Not to say that Judy can't show a lighter side, (she does have a good dry sense of humor IMO) (Thanks!) , but the discussion can pretty quickly ramp up to a level that squeezes out the fun.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Lurk, I missed Cliff Rees (not spelled Reese?) posting here? He was a very interesting movement guy if it was the same guy I knew. What posts can you direct me to? I would like to read his perspective on his movement life if he posted it. Cliff was well traveled, and had the opportunity to rise into the higher echelons of TMO because of his business dealings. So, he always had plenty of good stories to share in this regard. His handle was Cliffthedancer, and as well, he always had some fun stories to share about his personal life. He also served well as a reality check, and could come down hard on either side of the divide, political or otherwise. Perhaps it was in this regard that he ran into interference with Judy. I think some the frustration with Judy is that many come to FFL for some easy banter, interesting discussion, venting, and Judy comes with her game face on. Not to say that Judy can't show a lighter side, (she does have a good dry sense of humor IMO), but the discussion can pretty quickly ramp up to a level that squeezes out the fun. lurk What she has to offer is well known-- if someone doesn't want to play, all they have to do is respond with silence. I've never seen her hound someone into responding.:-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could
Rick writes snipped: --- many have left because they got sick of the bickering, even if they didn't participate in it. You and the rest of the AMT crowd have been valuable contributors, and I would hate to lose you, but as I recall,FFL was a much more harmonious place before you all arrived. Tom T: Eggzactly. Anything and everything expressed her is nothing but an opinion, a POV. As Bryon Katie has so aptly pointed out there is no way any of us can ever know exactly the truth of any statement. The exasperation is in the continual insistence that any one person can know or have the divine insight to know what is true and what is a lie. Just give it up kids it is just another addiction or attachment if you like that word better. State your experience or understanding and let others have the liberty to do the same. We all are sick to death of it. If you insist then take it back to AMT where no one gives a sh*t what you say or do. Tom
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
Thanks Rick, I did a search and am catching up. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 12:14 AM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Lurk, I missed Cliff Rees (not spelled Reese?) posting here? He was a very interesting movement guy if it was the same guy I knew. What posts can you direct me to? I would like to read his perspective on his movement life if he posted it. I forwarded this to Cliff. Does the search function in Yahoo groups let you search by the poster's ID? No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: 8/28/2007 4:29 PM
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick writes snipped: --- many have left because they got sick of the bickering, even if they didn't participate in it. You and the rest of the AMT crowd have been valuable contributors, and I would hate to lose you, but as I recall,FFL was a much more harmonious place before you all arrived. Tom T: Eggzactly. Anything and everything expressed her is nothing but an opinion, a POV. As Bryon Katie has so aptly pointed out there is no way any of us can ever know exactly the truth of any statement. The exasperation is in the continual insistence that any one person can know or have the divine insight to know what is true and what is a lie. Byron Katie notwithstanding, it doesn't always take divine insight to know when someone is lying. More often than not, all it takes is common sense. If you want to take the extreme relativist position that there are no such things as facts, fine, but that rather seriously limits the kinds of things you can talk about. For instance, the assertion that there is no way any of us can ever know exactly the truth of any statement. If that's the case, how come you take Katie's statement to that effect to be true? It's an infinite regress. So shut the f*ck up; you have nothing to contribute. (Nor does she, at least on that score.) Just give it up kids it is just another addiction or attachment if you like that word better. State your experience or understanding and let others have the liberty to do the same. We all are sick to death of it. If you insist then take it back to AMT where no one gives a sh*t what you say or do. Tom
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 steve.sundur@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues curtisdeltablues@ wrote: Lurk, I missed Cliff Rees (not spelled Reese?) posting here? He was a very interesting movement guy if it was the same guy I knew. What posts can you direct me to? I would like to read his perspective on his movement life if he posted it. Cliff was well traveled, and had the opportunity to rise into the higher echelons of TMO because of his business dealings. So, he always had plenty of good stories to share in this regard. His handle was Cliffthedancer, and as well, he always had some fun stories to share about his personal life. He also served well as a reality check, and could come down hard on either side of the divide, political or otherwise. Perhaps it was in this regard that he ran into interference with Judy. I think some the frustration with Judy is that many come to FFL for some easy banter, interesting discussion, venting, and Judy comes with her game face on. Not to say that Judy can't show a lighter side, (she does have a good dry sense of humor IMO), but the discussion can pretty quickly ramp up to a level that squeezes out the fun. lurk What she has to offer is well known-- if someone doesn't want to play, all they have to do is respond with silence. I've never seen her hound someone into responding.:-) If someone can't stand her piercing intellect so be it. I enjoy her tearing inaccurasies to pieces. My vote is for the AMT-gang to retire home, but Judy should stay here.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick, You want a great message board, but I'm finding your support of trolls to be dangerously near to enabling slander -- not to mention the attempts of trolls to emotionally abuse folks. Rick, how many more folks will leave this place because you think trolls are cute and add to the mix? Don't deny it. There's been many a mind here that was just abused down to a nub, while you watched it. I'm almost ready to leave, and Turq just said the same thing. TURQ DON'T LEAVE WITHOUT ME! I'm not a prude or some anal type trying to lay down some hardass morality. It might be quite acceptable to have a sort of locker room mentality here -- the put-downs could be a good natured but gentle chiding, but these trolls here are out to piss folks off plain and simple, and they take the meanest route possible every time. Rick, I know you have thought for hours and hours about this, but, I ask you to look into your heart and to more deeply consider this issue, because, in light of the fact that you are not controlling the trolls, I think you are harming the community here. That said, I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT YOU WANT TO THIS BE A WONDERFUL FORUM OF DEBATE AND SHARING. If you truly like the angst here, think deeper. And with Maharishi's death just around the corner, Fairfield Life may become an incredibly important hub to find a leader, a flag, a notion, something to rally around and have Fairfield -- the New Age City -- really blossom. Now that would be a wonderful thing for the whole community, right? But, with the trolls here, it just won't happen with their typical vilifications. Good folk trying hard to make things better just won't put up with abuse such as is daily seen here. Mr. Gorber, Rick tear down this wall! This wall of trolls that keeps the good folks who really would love a dialog of import and a peaceful meeting place of quiet minds thinking deeply about the potentials that Fairfield could finally achieve. I'm a romantic fool, go figure, but I have a dream of this place being where free minds think aloud freely and yet no one is hating anyone else's differences -- you know, what we all believed that TM would automatically guarantee us. A place where silence is the worst put-down. Well, no luck so far, eh? So I say, Jai Guru Rick -- lead us to the community light. I'll be there for that vision. And here's the price I would pay for it: I'll never use another swear word here, never take offense, never abuse, never use, never lie, never insinuate, never bait, never troll. I'll be your number one disciple if you change this group into the enlightened community that it truly can be. All the other cities that could possibly fill this role, Ashland, OR for instance, can't hope to beat Fairfield if Fairfield got rid of its only-TM-works prejudices. And, Rick, you don't have to do anything mean. All you have to do is say, If someone is mean, out they go, and that goes for Edg and everyone else. One strike, out you go. And, I say, let all the trolls stay here and see if they can follow the plan of being simply decent. If not, then they kick themselves out since they'll know you mean what you say. Not your fault! And if you don't want to be a morality cop, let me do it. Who knows immorality from the inside out like I do, eh? I tell ya, I'm psychic! I can spot besmirching from fifty yards out! One strike and out. Give peace a chance. All in favor, say aye. Edg --Mommy! Mommy! the mean man who I trashed and threatened to sue his pants off for accusing me of lying keeps being mean to me! He just said - for everybody to see - that I'm 'insecure' and a 'nutjob'! Of course that was after I said some really mean things about Judy, ... but, but, ...she deserved it! I thought everything was OK when I trashed Nablussos. But now somebody is being mean to ME! Make the bad man go away Mommy ...please Mommy!-- My goodness. How embarrassing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
If someone is mean, out they go, and that goes for Edg and everyone else. One strike, out you go. If I wanted this kind of judgment on my expression I would have stayed in the movement. Does the term Age of Enlightenment News mean anything to you? Once trollish behavior has been identified, anyone responding is doing it by choice. Some are obviously nuts or on the outer edges of odd. Some are entertaining if you don't take it personally. Limiting content freedom is a dark path. If you just control what you read, ignore posts that don't interest you and pay attention to what you like, no one will have to kick people off because you don't want to read their stuff. Self control, not group control. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still working here Edg. But I'll ponder this tonight and get back to you. Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 Phone: (641) 472-9336 Fax: (914) 470-9336 http:HYPERLINK http://searchsummit.com//searchsummit.com HYPERLINK http://[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:48 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become Rick, You want a great message board, but I'm finding your support of trolls to be dangerously near to enabling slander -- not to mention the attempts of trolls to emotionally abuse folks. Rick, how many more folks will leave this place because you think trolls are cute and add to the mix? Don't deny it. There's been many a mind here that was just abused down to a nub, while you watched it. I'm almost ready to leave, and Turq just said the same thing. TURQ DON'T LEAVE WITHOUT ME! I'm not a prude or some anal type trying to lay down some hardass morality. It might be quite acceptable to have a sort of locker room mentality here -- the put-downs could be a good natured but gentle chiding, but these trolls here are out to piss folks off plain and simple, and they take the meanest route possible every time. Rick, I know you have thought for hours and hours about this, but, I ask you to look into your heart and to more deeply consider this issue, because, in light of the fact that you are not controlling the trolls, I think you are harming the community here. That said, I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT YOU WANT TO THIS BE A WONDERFUL FORUM OF DEBATE AND SHARING. If you truly like the angst here, think deeper. And with Maharishi's death just around the corner, Fairfield Life may become an incredibly important hub to find a leader, a flag, a notion, something to rally around and have Fairfield -- the New Age City -- really blossom. Now that would be a wonderful thing for the whole community, right? But, with the trolls here, it just won't happen with their typical vilifications. Good folk trying hard to make things better just won't put up with abuse such as is daily seen here. Mr. Gorber, Rick tear down this wall! This wall of trolls that keeps the good folks who really would love a dialog of import and a peaceful meeting place of quiet minds thinking deeply about the potentials that Fairfield could finally achieve. I'm a romantic fool, go figure, but I have a dream of this place being where free minds think aloud freely and yet no one is hating anyone else's differences -- you know, what we all believed that TM would automatically guarantee us. A place where silence is the worst put-down. Well, no luck so far, eh? So I say, Jai Guru Rick -- lead us to the community light. I'll be there for that vision. And here's the price I would pay for it: I'll never use another swear word here, never take offense, never abuse, never use, never lie, never insinuate, never bait, never troll. I'll be your number one disciple if you change this group into the enlightened community that it truly can be. All the other cities that could possibly fill this role, Ashland, OR for instance, can't hope to beat Fairfield if Fairfield got rid of its only-TM-works prejudices. And, Rick, you don't have to do anything mean. All you have to do is say, If someone is mean, out they go, and that goes for Edg and everyone else. One strike, out you go. And, I say, let all the trolls stay here and see if they can follow the plan of being simply decent. If not, then they kick themselves out since they'll know you mean what you say. Not your fault! And if you don't want to be a morality cop, let me do it. Who knows immorality from the inside out like I do, eh? I tell ya, I'm psychic! I can spot besmirching from fifty yards out! One strike and out. Give peace a chance. All in favor, say aye. Edg No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database:
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Other groups and forums have tight controls, because the trolls and spammers WILL ruin every one of them if given a chance. --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If someone is mean, out they go, and that goes for Edg and everyone else. One strike, out you go. If I wanted this kind of judgment on my expression I would have stayed in the movement. Does the term Age of Enlightenment News mean anything to you? Once trollish behavior has been identified, anyone responding is doing it by choice. Some are obviously nuts or on the outer edges of odd. Some are entertaining if you don't take it personally. Limiting content freedom is a dark path. If you just control what you read, ignore posts that don't interest you and pay attention to what you like, no one will have to kick people off because you don't want to read their stuff. Self control, not group control. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still working here Edg. But I'll ponder this tonight and get back to you. Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 Phone: (641) 472-9336 Fax: (914) 470-9336 http:HYPERLINK http://searchsummit.com//searchsummit.com HYPERLINK http://[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Duveyoung Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:48 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become Rick, You want a great message board, but I'm finding your support of trolls to be dangerously near to enabling slander -- not to mention the attempts of trolls to emotionally abuse folks. Rick, how many more folks will leave this place because you think trolls are cute and add to the mix? Don't deny it. There's been many a mind here that was just abused down to a nub, while you watched it. I'm almost ready to leave, and Turq just said the same thing. TURQ DON'T LEAVE WITHOUT ME! I'm not a prude or some anal type trying to lay down some hardass morality. It might be quite acceptable to have a sort of locker room mentality here -- the put-downs could be a good natured but gentle chiding, but these trolls here are out to piss folks off plain and simple, and they take the meanest route possible every time. Rick, I know you have thought for hours and hours about this, but, I ask you to look into your heart and to more deeply consider this issue, because, in light of the fact that you are not controlling the trolls, I think you are harming the community here. That said, I AM ABSOLUTELY SURE THAT YOU WANT TO THIS BE A WONDERFUL FORUM OF DEBATE AND SHARING. If you truly like the angst here, think deeper. And with Maharishi's death just around the corner, Fairfield Life may become an incredibly important hub to find a leader, a flag, a notion, something to rally around and have Fairfield -- the New Age City -- really blossom. Now that would be a wonderful thing for the whole community, right? But, with the trolls here, it just won't happen with their typical vilifications. Good folk trying hard to make things better just won't put up with abuse such as is daily seen here. Mr. Gorber, Rick tear down this wall! This wall of trolls that keeps the good folks who really would love a dialog of import and a peaceful meeting place of quiet minds thinking deeply about the potentials that Fairfield could finally achieve. I'm a romantic fool, go figure, but I have a dream of this place being where free minds think aloud freely and yet no one is hating anyone else's differences -- you know, what we all believed that TM would automatically guarantee us. A place where silence is the worst put-down. Well, no luck so far, eh? So I say, Jai Guru Rick -- lead us to the community light. I'll be there for that vision. And here's the price I would pay for it: I'll never use another swear word here, never take offense, never abuse, never use, never lie, never insinuate, never bait, never troll. I'll be your number one disciple if you change this group into the enlightened community that it truly can be. All the other cities that could possibly fill this role, Ashland, OR for instance, can't hope to beat Fairfield if Fairfield got rid of its only-TM-works prejudices. And, Rick, you don't have to do anything mean. All you have to do is say, If someone is mean, out they go, and that goes for Edg and everyone else. One strike, out you go. And, I say, let all the trolls stay here and see if they can follow the plan of being simply decent. If not, then they kick themselves out since they'll know you mean what you say. Not your fault! And if you don't want to be a morality
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Edg: If someone is mean, out they go, and that goes for Edg and everyone else. One strike, out you go. Curtis: If I wanted this kind of judgment on my expression I would have stayed in the movement. Does the term Age of Enlightenment News mean anything to you? You know, we lost Cliff Rees. That was a loss. He said he couldn't tolerate Judy. I would hate to lost Edg. But FFL will survive, sometimes more fun, sometimes less. I can't help but feel that Cliff cut himself off from a nice outlet. Curtis, you are so right on. Self discipline, not imposed discipline is what makes for a strong community. IMHO, Judy has much a right as anyone to express herself as she sees fit. lurk
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edg: If someone is mean, out they go, and that goes for Edg and everyone else. One strike, out you go. Curtis: If I wanted this kind of judgment on my expression I would have stayed in the movement. Does the term Age of Enlightenment News mean anything to you? You know, we lost Cliff Rees. That was a loss. He said he couldn't tolerate Judy. Those who think I drove Cliff out should go back and reread our exchanges. What *actually* happened was that he decided to start beating up on me, and I fought back. He wasn't used to getting at least as good as he was giving--especially, I suspect, from a woman--and *that's* what he couldn't tolerate. I would hate to lost Edg. But FFL will survive, sometimes more fun, sometimes less. I can't help but feel that Cliff cut himself off from a nice outlet. Curtis, you are so right on. Self discipline, not imposed discipline is what makes for a strong community. IMHO, Judy has much a right as anyone to express herself as she sees fit. Thanks for that, at least.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
Lurk, I missed Cliff Rees (not spelled Reese?) posting here? He was a very interesting movement guy if it was the same guy I knew. What posts can you direct me to? I would like to read his perspective on his movement life if he posted it. Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edg: If someone is mean, out they go, and that goes for Edg and everyone else. One strike, out you go. Curtis: If I wanted this kind of judgment on my expression I would have stayed in the movement. Does the term Age of Enlightenment News mean anything to you? You know, we lost Cliff Rees. That was a loss. He said he couldn't tolerate Judy. I would hate to lost Edg. But FFL will survive, sometimes more fun, sometimes less. I can't help but feel that Cliff cut himself off from a nice outlet. Curtis, you are so right on. Self discipline, not imposed discipline is what makes for a strong community. IMHO, Judy has much a right as anyone to express herself as she sees fit. lurk
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of curtisdeltablues Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 7:04 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become If someone is mean, out they go, and that goes for Edg and everyone else. One strike, out you go. If I wanted this kind of judgment on my expression I would have stayed in the movement. Does the term Age of Enlightenment News mean anything to you? Once trollish behavior has been identified, anyone responding is doing it by choice. Some are obviously nuts or on the outer edges of odd. Some are entertaining if you don't take it personally. Limiting content freedom is a dark path. If you just control what you read, ignore posts that don't interest you and pay attention to what you like, no one will have to kick people off because you don't want to read their stuff. Self control, not group control. Curtis said it much better than I could have. Since many of us seem rather juvenile at times, try to remember the old childhood saying, “Sticks and stones can break my bones, but names can never hurt me.” Here’s another one we used to say: “I’m rubber and you’re glue. Everything bad you say to me bounces off of me and sticks to you.” And one from the Yoga Sutras: “Undisturbed calmness of mind is attained by cultivating friendliness toward the happy, compassion for the unhappy, delight in the virtuous, and indifference toward the wicked.” Negative posters tire themselves out very quickly if you ignore them. I use my real name, live in FF, founded this forum, and make some pretty controversial (and unfounded) statements. I take some pretty serious flak for this sometimes. When this happens, I remember the Robert Burns poem: “O would some Power the gift to give us To see ourselves as others see us!” I can’t blame these people for seeing me as some rakshasha-possessed, Maharishi-bashing ne’r do well. That’s how I used to view people who did what I’m doing. Are any of us completely innocent of doing the things we accuse others of doing? Look at your recent interchange with Nabby, Edg. He claimed to have flown 24 feet, and you went ballistic, using expletives, threatening physical violence, etc. Or this more recent interchange. I only read a fraction of the posts and may have missed many juicy details, but I gathered that someone called you some name and rather than ignoring that childish insult, you exploded, blowing smoke out your ears and threatening a law suit. You responded to a BB gun with a bazooka. Anyway, Curtis said it all: “Self control, not group control.” No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: 8/28/2007 4:29 PM
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One thing that's interersting about Ciff is that he taught TM in India with Ravi Shankar befor he became Sri Sri Ravi Shankar. --- curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lurk, I missed Cliff Rees (not spelled Reese?) posting here? He was a very interesting movement guy if it was the same guy I knew. What posts can you direct me to? I would like to read his perspective on his movement life if he posted it. Thanks. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, lurkernomore20002000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Edg: If someone is mean, out they go, and that goes for Edg and everyone else. One strike, out you go. Curtis: If I wanted this kind of judgment on my expression I would have stayed in the movement. Does the term Age of Enlightenment News mean anything to you? You know, we lost Cliff Rees. That was a loss. He said he couldn't tolerate Judy. I would hate to lost Edg. But FFL will survive, sometimes more fun, sometimes less. I can't help but feel that Cliff cut himself off from a nice outlet. Curtis, you are so right on. Self discipline, not imposed discipline is what makes for a strong community. IMHO, Judy has much a right as anyone to express herself as she sees fit. lurk To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of lurkernomore20002000 Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 7:40 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become Edg: If someone is mean, out they go, and that goes for Edg and everyone else. One strike, out you go. Curtis: If I wanted this kind of judgment on my expression I would have stayed in the movement. Does the term Age of Enlightenment News mean anything to you? You know, we lost Cliff Rees. That was a loss. He said he couldn't tolerate Judy. I would hate to lost Edg. But FFL will survive, sometimes more fun, sometimes less. I can't help but feel that Cliff cut himself off from a nice outlet. Curtis, you are so right on. Self discipline, not imposed discipline is what makes for a strong community. IMHO, Judy has much a right as anyone to express herself as she sees fit. I agree. Very few people have gotten anywhere near deserving expulsion. Tom Pall did when he descended into racism and anti-semitism. As I said in another post, you can control negative people by ignoring them. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: 8/28/2007 4:29 PM
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From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:06 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become You know, we lost Cliff Rees. That was a loss. He said he couldn't tolerate Judy. Those who think I drove Cliff out should go back and reread our exchanges. What *actually* happened was that he decided to start beating up on me, and I fought back. He wasn't used to getting at least as good as he was giving--especially, I suspect, from a woman--and *that's* what he couldn't tolerate. That may be, but many have left because they got sick of the bickering, even if they didn’t participate in it. You and the rest of the AMT crowd have been valuable contributors, and I would hate to lose you, but as I recall, FFL was a much more harmonious place before you all arrived. There must have been some bickering, but predominantly, there were intelligent, extended discussions on the sorts of topics outlined in the group description. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.10/977 - Release Date: 8/28/2007 4:29 PM
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, curtisdeltablues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lurk, I missed Cliff Rees (not spelled Reese?) posting here? He was a very interesting movement guy if it was the same guy I knew. What posts can you direct me to? I would like to read his perspective on his movement life if he posted it. Cliff was well traveled, and had the opportunity to rise into the higher echelons of TMO because of his business dealings. So, he always had plenty of good stories to share in this regard. His handle was Cliffthedancer, and as well, he always had some fun stories to share about his personal life. He also served well as a reality check, and could come down hard on either side of the divide, political or otherwise. Perhaps it was in this regard that he ran into interference with Judy. I think some the frustration with Judy is that many come to FFL for some easy banter, interesting discussion, venting, and Judy comes with her game face on. Not to say that Judy can't show a lighter side, (she does have a good dry sense of humor IMO), but the discussion can pretty quickly ramp up to a level that squeezes out the fun. lurk
[FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of authfriend Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:06 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: What Fairfield and Fairfield Life Could Become You know, we lost Cliff Rees. That was a loss. He said he couldn't tolerate Judy. Those who think I drove Cliff out should go back and reread our exchanges. Well, women's emotions and feelings are more superficial, or rather, they (ems and f's) have a much stronger intellectual component than men's, because the emotional centers in female brains might have a broadband connection to the cortex. That's why women can drive men grazy by verbally abusing them, and specifically by taking advantage of the more primitive emotional areas of male brains. Or then again, praps not... :/
