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Considering who and what Guru Dev is/was, it seems perfectly reasonable to me that he indeed DID have the spiritual status to manifest wealth for his purposes without relying on conventional outside sources. If Guru Dev had money appearing out of the infinite, there would have been tons of reports from his followers who would tell how cash appeared at some time or placeand following these accounts, one could surmise easily that Guru Dev was indeed pulling buckzoids out of the thinnest air. I haven't heard one single report like this. No one's on record saying that Guru Dev handed over some cash or gold or had someone (poor) do it for him. I mean, come on, the ashram would be abuzz with gossip about how cash had arrived to some project or other. If there's smoke there's fire, where's the smoke (history of anecdotes about money appearing?) And, if it's infinity bux, why didn't Guru Dev really cough up a shipload and get all the pundits bought and paid and chanting? If Guru Dev had actually had such a siddhi, why didn't Maharishi learn it from Guru Dev? We all know Maharishi thought that if there was enough money, then we'd change the world overnight with paid pundits, and that's just Maharishi's cover story; we know that he wanted a fabulous kingdom too with all the trappings, so where was the money-siddhi and why didn't Maharishi (who was 24/7 with Guru Dev) pick up on such a siddhi and bother Guru Dev until he got instructed? Oh, it's all glorious bullshit, my friends, and that starts with B and rhymes with Money. Fuck stories about siddhis from those who cannot produce any evidence. Buying into a story like that is like buying a lottery ticket -- it might be a winner, and the story might be true, so let's just hang with that mood of expectation of wonders to come -- rather than face real life. Did anyone here ever even once see Maharishi take a check or grab a wad of cash from a TB? This sort of thing is tawdry, so it was all down out of sight with Bobby Warren touching the filthy lucre. Given the era when Guru Dev lived, what with not much TV or suchlike, the world was filled with quite innocent rubes, and it was easy to create a story about oneself for marketing purposes. Not that Guru Dev was anything like the shuck and jiver, Maharishi, but that those who surround Guru Dev-types are sure to support all manner of image enhancing half truths, speculations, lies, etc. Believe in siddhi at your own peril -- if they get you believing something, they can shunt that into check writing. Edgg
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
Considering who and what Guru Dev is/was, it seems perfectly reasonable to me that he indeed DID have the spiritual status to manifest wealth for his purposes without relying on conventional outside sources. If Guru Dev had money appearing out of the infinite, there would have been tons of reports from his followers who would tell how cash appeared at some time or placeand following these accounts, one could surmise easily that Guru Dev was indeed pulling buckzoids out of the thinnest air. I haven't heard one single report like this. No one's on record saying that Guru Dev handed over some cash or gold or had someone (poor) do it for him. I mean, come on, the ashram would be abuzz with gossip about how cash had arrived to some project or other. If there's smoke there's fire, where's the smoke (history of anecdotes about money appearing?) And, if it's infinity bux, why didn't Guru Dev really cough up a shipload and get all the pundits bought and paid and chanting? If Guru Dev had actually had such a siddhi, why didn't Maharishi learn it from Guru Dev? We all know Maharishi thought that if there was enough money, then we'd change the world overnight with paid pundits, and that's just Maharishi's cover story; we know that he wanted a fabulous kingdom too with all the trappings, so where was the money-siddhi and why didn't Maharishi (who was 24/7 with Guru Dev) pick up on such a siddhi and bother Guru Dev until he got instructed? Oh, it's all glorious bullshit, my friends, and that starts with B and rhymes with Money. Fuck stories about siddhis from those who cannot produce any evidence. Buying into a story like that is like buying a lottery ticket -- it might be a winner, and the story might be true, so let's just hang with that mood of expectation of wonders to come -- rather than face real life. Did anyone here ever even once see Maharishi take a check or grab a wad of cash from a TB? This sort of thing is tawdry, so it was all down out of sight with Bobby Warren touching the filthy lucre. Given the era when Guru Dev lived, what with not much TV or suchlike, the world was filled with quite innocent rubes, and it was easy to create a story about oneself for marketing purposes. Not that Guru Dev was anything like the shuck and jiver, Maharishi, but that those who surround Guru Dev-types are sure to support all manner of image enhancing half truths, speculations, lies, etc. Believe in siddhi at your own peril -- if they get you believing something, they can shunt that into check writing. Edgg
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_re...@... wrote: Considering who and what Guru Dev is/was, it seems perfectly reasonable to me that he indeed DID have the spiritual status to manifest wealth for his purposes without relying on conventional outside sources. If Guru Dev had money appearing out of the infinite, there would have been tons of reports from his followers who would tell how cash appeared at some time or placeand following these accounts, one could surmise easily that Guru Dev was indeed pulling buckzoids out of the thinnest air. I haven't heard one single report like this. Haha, Edg never heard one single report, so it must be lies ! Did it not occur to you that the reason you never heard this before is that you are a lazy and uninterested individual ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
Nab wrote: Haha, Edg never heard one single report, so it must be lies ! Did it not occur to you that the reason you never heard this before is that you are a lazy and uninterested individual ? In all my 29 years in the movement, I never not once passed up hearing or reading about Guru Dev -- I loved the whole metaphor that his life was to me test me, ask me anything about Guru Dev you think a true believe should at least have heard about, I'll know it. So fuck you asshole -- you don't know a single thing about Guru Dev that I haven't had run through my brain a thousand times. Here's the deal: You can't make money appear out of nowhere and have nothing in the historical record reacting to that miracle. People are miracle-fixated -- show them even a magician's stage trick, and they're hoping it's for real. There's no way that Guru Dev had a magical source without it attracting a flood of attention from every ilk. More likely it was devotees who knew that Guru Dev had a personal intent never to beg, so they just did that for him and put the money on the altar or whereverand presto, another miracle! Not to mention that if Guru Dev was able to do this then he would have been kidnapped almost immediately and tortured until he gave up the secret -- by whom? -- take your pick -- anyone in power in Guru Dev's vicinity would have sniffed it out just to be sure that they weren't missing something -- like, well, money laundering? ??? Tell us the stories you've heard, Nab, -- especially any from Maharishi you heard with your own ears -- that assert Guru Dev had this power. I doubt you'll be able to come back with such that could be in the least researchable. In fact, let's go easy on ya and ask merely that you tell us of ANY miracle of Guru Dev or Maharishi that can be in the least documented -- hell, I'll even just take the stories of TBs throughout the movement's history. In fact, I'll tell you one of the miracle stories I was told by someone who supposedly was the target of the miracle: a teacher in the movement had gotten a crystal necklace from Maharishi to wear for a little while, but she kept avoiding returning it, then one day, after Maharishi mentioned it to her, it simply disappeared -- so she told me. Come on, Nab, given your certainties, why, you must have a thousand stories like that, but if you do, I predict none of them will be researchable. I was there, man I was so there, for the least gossip about miracles. I loved the story of Guru Dev putting his sickness into a cloth and telling a visitor that it was a kitten playing under it rather than that the cloth, somehow a conscious entity-of-the-nonce, was able to be sick and shivering or that a human being could temporarily remove sickness when it was inconvenient. But, who tells these stories and attests that they're true -- where's the beef? Where's the witness' name and phone number? It's all bogus horseshit promulgated by TBs who are in denial about their fucking exaggerations. In fact, I'll go even easier, show us any miracle ever by anyone ever that you think can be substantiated with a high degree of certainty, and watch how easily anyone here can pick it apart for its obviously lack of logic or real-worldlyness. Turq tells us he saw levitation many times. Now think about that. It has to be a fucking lie. Fucking levitation! Yeah, right. Yet even with many iterations of such levitation, Turq dumped his miracle worker. So, you tell me, would you walk away from a genuine siddha? Yet, here we see Turq poo-poohing it like it was nothing, yet anyone in the entire world would easily recognize that the laws of physics were being bent to one's will in a way that the best minds in history could not explain in the least. Yet, Turq would have us believe that Rama was never grabbed by the powers that be to see if they could get his secret of gravity control from him. In other words, Rama was a trickster, and the CIA or whatever couldn't be bothered to waterboard him any more than they would Criss Angel. Real miracles require extraordinary proof -- or, hey, if not, then I get to say anything I want and you can't ask me for proof, right? -- and, hey, I get to brow beat you if you don't accept my assertion, right? You're brow beating me, and you've got exactly zilch in the proof department, yet, you will not allow anyone else this right. In other words, Nab, you are a world class hypocrite true believer who'll do anything to shore up your religion rather than face reality. Sad to be you. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung no_reply@ wrote: Considering who and what Guru Dev is/was, it seems perfectly reasonable to me that he indeed DID have the spiritual status to manifest wealth for his purposes without relying on conventional outside
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote: Yes, I insist that Guru Dev attended, if not organized, the Delhi Mahayagna in 1943, and with the help of Mr. Raj Varma and his nephew, Bal Bramhacharya who also attended the event, sitting right next to the Guru Dev. nablusoss wrote: Wait a minute: How long will it take for Rick Archer, or for that fellow Vaj or that scumbag paulmason, to start claiming that none of these Saints actually were present on this occasion in Delhi, 1943? About thirty-six minutes, Nabby. snip; I do not believe they sent cash as He did not allow such contributions; but flowers and fruits, chairs and tents; obviously. According to some people, because the Guru Dev performed this Yagya, WWII lasted only a few years instead of fifty. I don't know. Guru Dev being the most senior of the Masters of Wisdom in incarnation at the time, as far as I know, could accomplish this in close cooperation with the other Masters. This descision was taken with the blessing of the most senior of the Masters of Wisdom; Maitreya. If He wanted to stop WWII and usher in the Age of Enlightenment He certainly had the power to do so. And He did. With the Blessings from Guru Dev, Maharishi implemented in the world at large that which had already been descided and is today the destiny of men: The Age of Enlightenment and the return to the everday lives of men by Maitreya for the first time in a human body for 100.000 years. For more information, please see: http://shareintl.org/magazine/old_issues/2009/2009-06.htm
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
Wait a minute: How long will it take for Rick Archer, or for that fellow Vaj or that scumbag paulmason, to start claiming that none of these Saints actually were present on this occasion in Delhi, 1943? About thirty-six minutes, Nabby. Nabby wrote: I do not believe they sent cash as He did not allow such contributions; but flowers and fruits, chairs and tents; obviously. Have you ever heard of the Jyotirmath Trust Fund? What do you think a Trust Fund does, Nabby? It takes donations from wealthy patrons and puts it in the bank in a 'trust fund' to be spent for worthy causes. Where do you think they got all the money to rebuild the Jyotirmath Ashram? Yes, I insist that Guru Dev attended, if not organized, the Delhi Mahayagna in 1943, and with the help of Mr. Raj Varma and his nephew, Bal Bramhacharya who also attended the event, sitting right next to the Guru Dev.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
Richard As far as I can gather Guru Dev seldom visited Jyotirmath, perhaps only twice during his tenure as Shankaracharya. His main ashram was in Benares (it is still there) that ashram is dedicated to his guru and funded by a trust in Dandi Swami Krishanand's name. Regarding his expenditures, all sources are agreed that he used some sort of divine purse, that he had some sort of siddhi that dealt with material funds. Yes, I know it seems very childish to believe such things are possible, but unless accounts of some trust are discovered, which show that Guru Dev was supported by benefactors' donations, I for one will continue to keep an open mind. On the subject of controversy, I recently had a German initiator contact me to tell me how Maharishi declared to about seventy course participants on the Spiritual Guides Course in Rishikesh early 1970 that Guru Dev had been killed by rat poison administered repeatedly by the cook. And I had thought this was just a rumour created and circulated on AMT. Does anyone else at FFL remember Maharishi saying this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote: Wait a minute: How long will it take for Rick Archer, or for that fellow Vaj or that scumbag paulmason, to start claiming that none of these Saints actually were present on this occasion in Delhi, 1943? About thirty-six minutes, Nabby. Nabby wrote: I do not believe they sent cash as He did not allow such contributions; but flowers and fruits, chairs and tents; obviously. Have you ever heard of the Jyotirmath Trust Fund? What do you think a Trust Fund does, Nabby? It takes donations from wealthy patrons and puts it in the bank in a 'trust fund' to be spent for worthy causes. Where do you think they got all the money to rebuild the Jyotirmath Ashram? Yes, I insist that Guru Dev attended, if not organized, the Delhi Mahayagna in 1943, and with the help of Mr. Raj Varma and his nephew, Bal Bramhacharya who also attended the event, sitting right next to the Guru Dev.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason premanandp...@... wrote: Richard As far as I can gather Guru Dev seldom visited Jyotirmath, perhaps only twice during his tenure as Shankaracharya. His main ashram was in Benares (it is still there) that ashram is dedicated to his guru and funded by a trust in Dandi Swami Krishanand's name. Regarding his expenditures, all sources are agreed that he used some sort of divine purse, that he had some sort of siddhi that dealt with material funds. Yes, I know it seems very childish to believe such things are possible, but unless accounts of some trust are discovered, which show that Guru Dev was supported by benefactors' donations, I for one will continue to keep an open mind. Considering who and what Guru Dev is/was, it seems perfectly reasonable to me that he indeed DID have the spiritual status to manifest wealth for his purposes without relying on conventional outside sources. == Guru Dev was known for his self-sufficiency and would not accept donations from anyone, whether rich or poor. In fact, a sign was erected at his ashram which said, Worthy of Worship, Infinitely Bestowed, The Universal Guru Shankaracharya Jyotirmath, Swami Brahmananda Saraswati Maharaj prohibits any offerings of wealth. Among the sages of India, the concept of self-sufficiency has a special meaning. First, it means one who is filled with love of the Divine and beyond personal human relationships. Second, it means one who is beyond personal attachments and cannot be swayed from right action. And third, it means one who lives without any earthly means of support. == ~~I believe you have the above in your archives, Paul. On the subject of controversy, I recently had a German initiator contact me to tell me how Maharishi declared to about seventy course participants on the Spiritual Guides Course in Rishikesh early 1970 that Guru Dev had been killed by rat poison administered repeatedly by the cook. And I had thought this was just a rumour created and circulated on AMT. Does anyone else at FFL remember Maharishi saying this? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_reply@ wrote: Wait a minute: How long will it take for Rick Archer, or for that fellow Vaj or that scumbag paulmason, to start claiming that none of these Saints actually were present on this occasion in Delhi, 1943? About thirty-six minutes, Nabby. Nabby wrote: I do not believe they sent cash as He did not allow such contributions; but flowers and fruits, chairs and tents; obviously. Have you ever heard of the Jyotirmath Trust Fund? What do you think a Trust Fund does, Nabby? It takes donations from wealthy patrons and puts it in the bank in a 'trust fund' to be spent for worthy causes. Where do you think they got all the money to rebuild the Jyotirmath Ashram? Yes, I insist that Guru Dev attended, if not organized, the Delhi Mahayagna in 1943, and with the help of Mr. Raj Varma and his nephew, Bal Bramhacharya who also attended the event, sitting right next to the Guru Dev.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote: Wait a minute: How long will it take for Rick Archer, or for that fellow Vaj or that scumbag paulmason, to start claiming that none of these Saints actually were present on this occasion in Delhi, 1943? About thirty-six minutes, Nabby. Where do you think they got all the money to rebuild the Jyotirmath Ashram? From He who gives the whole thing, the real thing.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
Whatever did happen to Michael Jackson, here's a video reminder of the person he was underneath all the glitz and neuroses: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5O61yKkdr4 This was shot for a Pepsi commercial in 1992. Kudos to the Pepsi folks for having the restraint to capture this lovely glimpse of his shining, gentle, tender aspect just as it was.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, authfriend jst...@... wrote: Whatever did happen to Michael Jackson, here's a video reminder of the person he was underneath all the glitz and neuroses: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5O61yKkdr4 This was shot for a Pepsi commercial in 1992. Kudos to the Pepsi folks for having the restraint to capture this lovely glimpse of his shining, gentle, tender aspect just as it was. Very lovely. I remember as a resident when the Thriller album came out and we would goof around moonwalking the hospital hallways. Such fun! I can still do a pretty good Micheal Jackson dance moves.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bh...@... wrote: And how will he reincarnate? I believe he once practiced TM. Too bad they die so young. This leaves us to wonder if there is a price for fame, glory and money. Perhaps, if he had requested for yagyas, he would have lived longer to reap the benefits of his notoriety.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bhrma@ wrote: And how will he reincarnate? I believe he once practiced TM. Too bad they die so young. This leaves us to wonder if there is a price for fame, glory and money. Perhaps, if he had requested for yagyas, he would have lived longer to reap the benefits of his notoriety. And people think *Michael Jackson* was crazy! :-) John, please explain to us how the basis of your belief that paying money to the owners of young boys sold into pundit-slavery to support their families back in India is any different than the ceremony performed in the video on this page: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/25/gay-exorcism-video-manife_n_221155.html In the video, a church in Connecticut performs an exorcism to rid a young man of his homosexuality. No shit. ( As a side note to those who have been following the latest episodes of True Blood, does this not remind you of the anti-vampire Bible thumpers in that series? ) So explain to me, John, how your belief that paying young slave-boys to chant for you will extend your life is that much different than these people believing that chanting the name of Jeezuz will cure this kid of being gay. I mean...I'm really curious. To me, *both* beliefs look crazier to me than Michael Jackson believing that sleeping in a glass Snow White's coffin with oxygen pumped into it at high pressure would keep *him* alive and well and moonwalking forever. All I can do is shake my head and wonder at the silly things that human beings believe, and the things they focus on. Two celebrities (our modern age's replace- ment for gods) die on the same day, and of one -- a child molester who was so addicted to plastic surgery that he turned himself into one of his own monsters from Thriller -- some crazed fan says, No joke. King of Pop is no more. Wow. It's like when Kennedy was assassinated. I will always remember being in Times Square when Michael Jackson died. Meanwhile, another celebrity, she of the blonde hair, far-too-many-teeth and perky nipples, garners mainly tributes from her friends and family. *Her* death does not seem to be causing crowds to form in Times Square, possibly because she represented a *healthy* sexuality and people prefer their sexuality either repressed (like John) or bent (like the fans of MJ). I am reminded of the announcer on French television who used to end his broadcast by reading the latest outrage, like George W. Bush lobbying to be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, and then looking into the camera and saying, Le monde est fou, fou, fou. The world is crazy, crazy, crazy.
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On Jun 25, 2009, at 10:43 PM, seekliberation wrote: But some respect for MJ. Let us all take a moment to remember the all children he touched... Too bad they don't get macheted younger. I'm aware MJ was quite a freak, there's no denying this. Regarding the children he allegedly molested, when the rumors and charges first came out, I assumed he was probably guilty. But as the years went by, and more information came out, I changed my mind to think there's at least some possibility he may have not been guilty. According to enlightened TMer, Robin Woodsworth Carlsen, MJ was an angel on earth.
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On Jun 26, 2009, at 2:02 AM, John wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bh...@... wrote: And how will he reincarnate? I believe he once practiced TM. Too bad they die so young. This leaves us to wonder if there is a price for fame, glory and money. Perhaps, if he had requested for yagyas, he would have lived longer to reap the benefits of his notoriety. Or more likely: he would have been even shorter on cash.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bhrma@ wrote: And how will he reincarnate? I believe he once practiced TM. Too bad they die so young. This leaves us to wonder if there is a price for fame, glory and money. Perhaps, if he had requested for yagyas, he would have lived longer to reap the benefits of his notoriety. TMO yagyas for ca$h? What a fraud! Do you really think you can pay someone else to turn to God for you? ... to do your praying for you... as a substitute for your OWN prayers and sadhana? That's called 'Buying a Stairway to Heaven,' or 'Paying cash for God.' Get a clue. It doesn't work that way, John.
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If he had requested yagyas he would have lived longer? I assume you are joking,John. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2009, at 2:02 AM, John jr_...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bh...@... wrote: And how will he reincarnate? I believe he once practiced TM. Too bad they die so young. This leaves us to wonder if there is a price for fame, glory and money. Perhaps, if he had requested for yagyas, he would have lived longer to reap the benefits of his notoriety. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
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That's called 'Buying a Stairway to Heaven,' or 'Paying cash for God.' Get a clue. It doesn't work that way, John. It's pretty common knowledge that Guru Dev used to participate in 'yagyas' during WWII; you can call it anyhting you want to. So maybe you need to get a clue: that's the way it works, John. You already know this - how many dollars have you tithed to the Mormon church? Why you're acting stupid here is beyond me. Go figure. http://www.rwilliams.us/archives/images/yajna.jpg According to Lynn Napper: Guru Dev toured all over India attracting thousands where ever he went. His darshan was now easy to obtain, but it came with a risk of lifelong attachment to him. He conducted many ceremonies on special days all through India. He was the center of attraction at the 1942 Kumbhamela in Allahabad. In Delhi he presided over a great yagya on the banks of the Yamuna. Yousands of people came to watch (Napper 136). ..the photo shown at the above link is the very same one on page 37 of the Life article I cited. Interestingly, the Life photo is a cropped version (missing a bit at the top and a little at the bottom). I tried to find a reference to a photographer or photograph news agency accompanying the photo, but there were none. Read more: From: Shemp McGurk Subject: Re: Guru Dev's Mahayajna Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: January 5, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/ln85tg Yes, I insist that Guru Dev attended, if not organized, the Delhi Mahayagna in 1943, and with the help of Mr. Raj Varma and his nephew, Bal Bramhacharya who also attended the event, sitting right next to the Guru Dev. Read more: From: Willytex Subject: Re: Guru Dev's Mahayajna Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: January 11, 2003 http://tinyurl.com/ln85tg Works cited: 'Our Spiritual Heritage' An Informal History of the Shankaracharya Order. By Lynn Napper Hesperdes, 1998 'Truth is One' The Story of the World's Great Living Religions in Pictures and Text. By Henry James Forman and Roland Gammon Harper Row, 1954 page 12
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_re...@... wrote: Yes, I insist that Guru Dev attended, if not organized, the Delhi Mahayagna in 1943, and with the help of Mr. Raj Varma and his nephew, Bal Bramhacharya who also attended the event, sitting right next to the Guru Dev. Wait a minute: How long will it take for Rick Archer, or for that fellow Vaj or that scumbag paulmason, to start claiming that none of these Saints actually were present on this occasion in Delhi, 1943 ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, WillyTex no_reply@ wrote: Yes, I insist that Guru Dev attended, if not organized, the Delhi Mahayagna in 1943, and with the help of Mr. Raj Varma and his nephew, Bal Bramhacharya who also attended the event, sitting right next to the Guru Dev. The key difference is that the people THEMSELVES collectively PARTICIPATED in that Mahayagya over which Guru Dev presided. The massive crowds of people's hearts and minds were DIRECTLY INVOLVED in the process. That's totally different from sending cash to the TMO for someone else to do the whole thing like the TMO recommends as they ring their ca$h registers. You can't pay pay someone else to turn to God for you ... to do your praying for you... as a substitute for your OWN prayers and sadhana. It doesn't work that way. Wait a minute: How long will it take for Rick Archer, or for that fellow Vaj or that scumbag paulmason, to start claiming that none of these Saints actually were present on this occasion in Delhi, 1943 ?
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bh...@... wrote: And how will he reincarnate? I believe he once practiced TM. Extremely unlikely? I think he was a Jehova's witness!
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
Yes, I insist that Guru Dev attended, if not organized, the Delhi Mahayagna in 1943, and with the help of Mr. Raj Varma and his nephew, Bal Bramhacharya who also attended the event, sitting right next to the Guru Dev. nablusoss wrote: Wait a minute: How long will it take for Rick Archer, or for that fellow Vaj or that scumbag paulmason, to start claiming that none of these Saints actually were present on this occasion in Delhi, 1943? About thirty-six minutes, Nabby. From what I've read, even the President of India and many, many other devotees, sent cash to help Guru Dev perform this Mahayagya. People have been sending cash for the performance of Yagyas in India for at least 3,000 years. According to some people, because the Guru Dev performed this Yagya, WWII lasted only a few years instead of fifty. I don't know. The key difference is that the people THEMSELVES collectively PARTICIPATED in that Mahayagya over which Guru Dev presided. The massive crowds of people's hearts and minds were DIRECTLY INVOLVED in the process. That's totally different from sending cash to the TMO for someone else to do the whole thing like the TMO recommends as they ring their ca$h registers. You can't pay pay someone else to turn to God for you ... to do your praying for you... as a substitute for your OWN prayers and sadhana. It doesn't work that way. FairfieldLife/message/222878
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
I believe he once practiced TM. cardemaister wrote: Extremely unlikely? Apparently Michael Jackson learned TM from Deepak Chopra, along with Madonna and Shirley MacLaine. Deepak Inc. attracted its share of celebrity pilgrims seeking higher truths. Madonna and Michael Jackson and George Harrison tuned in... Source: 'Inner Peacekeeper' By Tom Dunkel Baltimore Sun, April 29, 2005 Read more: From: Willytex Subject: Depackage Deep Stuff Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Date: May 19, 2005 http://tinyurl.com/lsjx2w
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bhrma@ wrote: And how will he reincarnate? I believe he once practiced TM. Too bad they die so young. This leaves us to wonder if there is a price for fame, glory and money. Perhaps, if he had requested for yagyas, he would have lived longer to reap the benefits of his notoriety. And people think *Michael Jackson* was crazy! :-) John, please explain to us how the basis of your belief that paying money to the owners of young boys sold into pundit-slavery to support their families back in India is any different than the ceremony performed in the video on this page: It's all a matter of belief. That's what counts. If he was born into the Hindu culture, it would have been an act of faith for him to request the yagya needed to mitigate any bad karmas he may have incurred in the past or the present life. Since he was born Christian, or a Jehovah Witness, it would have been an act of faith to request his minister to perform a ceremony or rite to give thanks for the benefits he had received in this life time. For example, among Catholics it is part of tradition to request a mass to be requested for those who are sick or who have passed away. According to MMY in his commentary to the Gita, doing TM is a form of yagya. We don't know if Jackson was a meditator or if he was initiated into TM, we don't know if he continued his practice. Esta bien?
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter L Sutphen drpetersutp...@... wrote: If he had requested yagyas he would have lived longer? I assume you are joking,John. No, I'm not joking. Please, see my response to Barry, our resident Buddhist or whatever. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 26, 2009, at 2:02 AM, John jr_...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bhrma@ wrote: And how will he reincarnate? I believe he once practiced TM. Too bad they die so young. This leaves us to wonder if there is a price for fame, glory and money. Perhaps, if he had requested for yagyas, he would have lived longer to reap the benefits of his notoriety. To subscribe, send a message to: fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bhrma@ wrote: And how will he reincarnate? I believe he once practiced TM. Too bad they die so young. This leaves us to wonder if there is a price for fame, glory and money. Perhaps, if he had requested for yagyas, he would have lived longer to reap the benefits of his notoriety. And people think *Michael Jackson* was crazy! :-) John, please explain to us how the basis of your belief that paying money to the owners of young boys sold into pundit-slavery to support their families back in India is any different than the ceremony performed in the video on this page: It's all a matter of belief. That's what counts. If he was born into the Hindu culture, it would have been an act of faith for him to request the yagya needed to mitigate any bad karmas he may have incurred in the past or the present life. Since he was born Christian, or a Jehovah Witness, it would have been an act of faith to request his minister to perform a ceremony or rite to give thanks for the benefits he had received in this life time. For example, among Catholics it is part of tradition to request a mass to be requested for those who are sick or who have passed away. According to MMY in his commentary to the Gita, doing TM is a form of yagya. We don't know if Jackson was a meditator or if he was initiated into TM, we don't know if he continued his practice. Esta bien? I stand on my original statement: And people think *Michael Jackson* was crazy!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
On Jun 26, 2009, at 5:02 PM, John wrote: And people think *Michael Jackson* was crazy! :-) John, please explain to us how the basis of your belief that paying money to the owners of young boys sold into pundit-slavery to support their families back in India is any different than the ceremony performed in the video on this page: It's all a matter of belief. That's what counts. If he was born into the Hindu culture, it would have been an act of faith for him to request the yagya needed to mitigate any bad karmas he may have incurred in the past or the present life. Since you've heard your spin on Hindu culture from a Brahmanic slant, this is what you believe. But not all Hindus subscribe to these Brahmin trappings, in fact Vedic interest is waning--dying--in India. It's really only the slant on Hinduism we got through the filter of the British Raj that makes it seem as if 'the Brahmins are in charge and what they say is they way things go'. There's more to India than Brahmin dreams of a mythical Vedism. Most of Hinduism in Tantric in origin. There's an on-going backlash in India on the whole idea of Brahmin supremacy.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_re...@... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, John jr_esq@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, pranamoocher bhrma@ wrote: And how will he reincarnate? I believe he once practiced TM. Too bad they die so young. This leaves us to wonder if there is a price for fame, glory and money. Perhaps, if he had requested for yagyas, he would have lived longer to reap the benefits of his notoriety. And people think *Michael Jackson* was crazy! :-) John, please explain to us how the basis of your belief that paying money to the owners of young boys sold into pundit-slavery to support their families back in India is any different than the ceremony performed in the video on this page: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/25/gay-exorcism-video-manife_n_221155.html In the video, a church in Connecticut performs an exorcism to rid a young man of his homosexuality. No shit. ( As a side note to those who have been following the latest episodes of True Blood, does this not remind you of the anti-vampire Bible thumpers in that series? ) So explain to me, John, how your belief that paying young slave-boys to chant for you will extend your life is that much different than these people believing that chanting the name of Jeezuz will cure this kid of being gay. I mean...I'm really curious. To me, *both* beliefs look crazier to me than Michael Jackson believing that sleeping in a glass Snow White's coffin with oxygen pumped into it at high pressure would keep *him* alive and well and moonwalking forever. All I can do is shake my head and wonder at the silly things that human beings believe, and the things they focus on. Two celebrities (our modern age's replace- ment for gods) die on the same day, and of one -- a child molester who was so addicted to plastic surgery that he turned himself into one of his own monsters from Thriller -- some crazed fan says, No joke. King of Pop is no more. Wow. It's like when Kennedy was assassinated. I will always remember being in Times Square when Michael Jackson died. Meanwhile, another celebrity, she of the blonde hair, far-too-many-teeth and perky nipples, garners mainly tributes from her friends and family. *Her* death does not seem to be causing crowds to form in Times Square, possibly because she represented a *healthy* sexuality and people prefer their sexuality either repressed (like John) or bent (like the fans of MJ). I am reminded of the announcer on French television who used to end his broadcast by reading the latest outrage, like George W. Bush lobbying to be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize, and then looking into the camera and saying, Le monde est fou, fou, fou. The world is crazy, crazy, crazy. Like 'The Beatles' claimed, in the last line of their last song: 'The love you take, is equal to the love, you make... How much did this soul, touch all the other souls? Someone like the Princess of Wales, Diana, touched our collective soul... Someone like John Lennon, touched all of our souls... Some other ones, when they die, we breath a sigh of relief... Some other die, like Elinor Rigby, who picks up the rice, where a wedding has been... Others like Father McKinsey, wipes the dirt from his hands, as he walks from her grave... All the lonely people, where do they all come from? All the lonely people, where do they all belong? Robert.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradh...@... wrote: On Jun 26, 2009, at 5:02 PM, John wrote: And people think *Michael Jackson* was crazy! :-) John, please explain to us how the basis of your belief that paying money to the owners of young boys sold into pundit-slavery to support their families back in India is any different than the ceremony performed in the video on this page: It's all a matter of belief. That's what counts. If he was born into the Hindu culture, it would have been an act of faith for him to request the yagya needed to mitigate any bad karmas he may have incurred in the past or the present life. Since you've heard your spin on Hindu culture from a Brahmanic slant, this is what you believe. But not all Hindus subscribe to these Brahmin trappings, in fact Vedic interest is waning--dying--in India. It's really only the slant on Hinduism we got through the filter of the British Raj that makes it seem as if 'the Brahmins are in charge and what they say is they way things go'. There's more to India than Brahmin dreams of a mythical Vedism. Most of Hinduism in Tantric in origin. There's an on-going backlash in India on the whole idea of Brahmin supremacy. I think this is an ongoing backlash around the world, For anyone preaching against materialism... The supremacy now in India, is measured in dollars and cents, or rupees, same thing... When in Roma, do what the Roma's do doo... R.G.
[FairfieldLife] Re: What happened to Michael Jackson?
But some respect for MJ. Let us all take a moment to remember the all children he touched... Too bad they don't get macheted younger. I'm aware MJ was quite a freak, there's no denying this. Regarding the children he allegedly molested, when the rumors and charges first came out, I assumed he was probably guilty. But as the years went by, and more information came out, I changed my mind to think there's at least some possibility he may have not been guilty. First of all, the first kid accusing him was supposedly a cancer survivor. Turns out he never had cancer, and also tried to get money from Jay Leno and Chris Tucker in some other schemes. So that case was closed. Then years later I thought to myself, what would any 40 yr old man want a child in his bed for? There's only one logical thing I could think of. And that's why I think MJ has a 'possibility' of being innocent. Because it seems like the only logical thing to want a child in your bed for. I think MJ is so freaking wierd that there's a possibility that he didn't molest those kids. He could still be guilty. What keeps the idea of guilt alive is the fact that the issue kept coming up over and over. But I think the automatic assumption that molestation is the only logical conclusion takes away the reality that he was too mentally fucked up to predict his motives when doing anything he did in his life. seeklberation
