[FairfieldLife] Re: You can Initiate Meditation
> > "The mantra should be experienced just like > > any other thought." > > Curtis wrote: > Not exact words but close enough. > So, we are agreed. > > So, Marshy said that there is no difference > > between ordinary thinking and thinking the > > mantra during meditation. This concept is so > > basic to TM that I am starting to wonder > > if you were sleeping during TTC. > > > There is no difference in the quality of > effortlessness. > So, we are mostly in agreement. > As far as attending to the content of meaning > they are completely different. > This is an excellent point. But it has already been established that the TM mantras are the names of the Hindu demi-Gods, Saraswati, etc. and you're saying that most beginning students treat the mantra as if it were a non-semantic sound. But, what if you already had some knowledge of Hindu yoga practices and you recognized the names referenced by the mantra? In that case, you'd be thinking about a Hindu God's name, such as Saraswati and it would probably have meaning, so you'd be thinking about something, not just repeated non-sense gibberish. In other words, you'd be thinking things over - thinking. > > everyone meditates. > > > This is false, and weird. > Based on the dictionary definition of 'thinking things over', everyone meditates. But you're saying that TM meditation is different, yet without defining exactly what this difference is. According to Vaj, there isn't a purely effortless way of thinking, since almost everything requires some effort, even thinking the mantra. So, it may be that 'effortless' isn't exactly what makes TM different. Maybe it's the transcending - but, in that case almost everyone is already transcending - that's just human nature. Maybe the difference is in the rapidity of the transcending, or in the checking, or maybe the difference is in the ability of people to transcend at will or to transcend repeatedly. > > > > According to Marshy, meditation is just > > > > like 'thinking things over' > > > > > > > You have put this in quotes so I'm sure > > > you can come up with the source of this > > > misquote. I have never heard Maharishi > > > use this phrase, ever. > > > > > Marshy said: "TM is based on thinking." He > > said this at SIMS in 1964 in front of a > > large audience that included Jerry Jarvis > > and Robert Keith Wallace - BillyG was there > > too, I think. > > > First quote: > > 'thinking things over' > > Second quote: > > "TM is based on thinking." > > Now can you tell me the difference between > the meaning of these two statements? > No difference - 'thinking' is 'thinking things over' - meditation - to think about something. Meditation is based on thinking. Marshy said that anyone who could think, could meditate. [snip] > > You may have taught people how to meditate, > > and they may have transcended, but my point > > is, that you're not very skilled in defining > > what it is that you taught; neither was the > > Marshy - I just have a knack for putting > > things in a nutshell. > > > Following the precision of your previous use of > language I'll just switch "nutshell" for > "nutcase" right? Same thing, right? Cool let's > roll with "nutcase". > Maye so, but I wouldn't go as far as to say that Marshy was a 'nutcase' - let's just say that he liked to talk a lot in order to explain real simple things. In any case, it doesn't really explain why you can't define TM meditation by calling me a 'nutcase' - it only points out that you have trouble with definitions. Let's roll with that. > > In a lot of ways, I know more about > > meditation that is transcendental than the > > Marshy himself. > > > This is the kind of statement that makes me > love your posts Richard. It is the wild swings > between grandiosity and absurdity. You can > make good points too, but always with the > Twilight Zone perspective ready to pop out > at any moment. Good stuff. > Thanks, I can see you been thinking things over! Now all you'd have to do is start thinking your mantra and you'd be doing TM - then you could also enjoy. It's not really absurd at all. It's what you taught for twenty years. > > While you and the Marshy were practicing how > > to be a recluse, I was getting an education, > > raising a family, working in the world and > > transcending on a daily basis. I'm not at all > > convinced that retiring at age 22 is a very > > good idea, no matter how noble one's > > aspirations are to save the world. > > > I'm with you here except for the part where > you mention retiring at age 22? Who was that? > Probably thousands of TM teachers tried to retire at age 22 - that's why they attended TTC instead of finishing college and getting a real job. Some to this day haven't finished school and still don't have a real job. > Plus Maharishi was an advance man and event > planner for a religious leader, he was working > his butt off. There was the alleged two years > o
[FairfieldLife] Re: You can Initiate Meditation
> > > Let me put it this way - Marshy said: > > "The mantra should be experienced just > like any other thought." Not exact words but close enough. Include the word as effortlessly and you can put your business card in the hat for a door prize. (Abianga massage by pundit boys followed by a forceful Vodka Bhasti while listening to Queen, Live at the Apollo.) > > So, Marshy said that there is no difference > between ordinary thinking and thinking the > mantra during meditation. This concept is > so basic to TM that I am starting to > wonder if you were sleeping during TTC. There is no difference in the quality of effortlessness. As far as attending to the content of meaning they are completely different. And yes I did a lot of sleeping during TTC, I was practically a professional napper while in the movement. But not during tapes. There I was a compulsive note taker and have the volumes of notes to prove it. I suspect they will become really, really valuable someday...what was that? "Not going to happen?" Damn, not even on Vedic Ebay? > > > > > There's no 'TM', Curtis, there is only > thinking, or not. Back too the Twilight Zone huh? All meditation is > transcendental, That may be true on some level I don't really know. that's the point, and > everyone meditates. This is false, and weird. Only deluded people > think there is a 'TM' and that it is the > only way to transcend. You should know > this by now. Wait a second, you are changing the point again. I agree with this. > > > > > > According to Marshy, meditation is just > > > like 'thinking things over' > > > > > You have put this in quotes so I'm sure > > you can come up with the source of this > > misquote. I have never heard Maharishi > > use this phrase, ever. > > > Marshy said: "TM is based on thinking." He > said this at SIMS in 1964 in front of a > large audience that included Jerry Jarvis > and Robert Keith Wallace - BillyG was there > too, I think. First quote: 'thinking things over' Second quote: "TM is based on thinking." Now can you tell me the difference between the meaning of these two statements? > > > > - no different. If it was different, he > > > probably would have said so. > > > > > He did, about one million times. > > > If he said this one million times, he would > probably have inserted it into his book, > SBAL at least one time, right? Your point is so odd it is entertaining. I don't know how to respond however. > > [snip] > > You may have taught people how to meditate, > and they may have transcended, but my point > is, that you're not very skilled in defining > what it is that you taught; neither was the > Marshy - I just have a knack for putting > things in a nutshell. Following the precision of your previous use of language I'll just switch "nutshell" for "nutcase" right? Same thing, right? Cool let's roll with "nutcase". > > In a lot of ways, I know more about meditation > that is transcendental than the Marshy himself. This is the kind of statement that makes me love your posts Richard. It is the wild swings between grandiosity and absurdity. You can make good points too, but always with the Twilight Zone perspective ready to pop out at any moment. Good stuff. > > While you and the Marshy were practicing how > to be a recluse, I was getting an education, > raising a family, working in the world and > transcending on a daily basis. I'm not at all > convinced that retiring at age 22 is a very > good idea, no matter how noble one's > aspirations are to save the world. I'm with you here except for the part where you mention retiring at age 22? Who was that? Plus Maharishi was an advance man and event planner for a religious leader, he was working his butt off. There was the alleged two years of silence followed by building a multi million dollar empire, so calling him a recluse is a bit of a stretch. Except for the kids part he was more involved with the world than you are. But I'll bet he got laid more. > > It takes a contrast to make the cloth stay a > certain color in the dying process. Marshy > said you dip it, and bring it out to the > light; you do this on a regular basis, and > then then the color becomes fast. > Yeah, proof by analogy. So charmingly bogus.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: You can Initiate Meditation
> The bullshit rearranging the deck chairs on > the Titanic doesn't interest me at all. That perfectly sums up the TMO. --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "dhamiltony2k5" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The policy has just been reinstated that > Governors, > > "recertified" or not, can instruct parents, > children > > and siblings in the TM technique for free. > > > > Jai Guru Dev, > > > So who is "proclaiming" these things? > > Whose name is on the memos or announcements > or whatever they are? > > The bullshit rearranging the deck chairs on > the Titanic doesn't interest me at all. But > learning who thinks that he (it's a given that > it's a man, or a "them" composed of men) is the > captain (or co-captains) interests me. > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: You can Initiate Meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The policy has just been reinstated that Governors, > "recertified" or not, can instruct parents, children > and siblings in the TM technique for free. > > Jai Guru Dev, > > > Don't tell anyone, but I charged my mother. Was good karma for her. > Assuming that this rumor is true, it certainly supports my impression that MMY did a lot of things towards the end that no-one was comfortable with, but was willing to go along with, just because he was The Man. Now that he can't contradict decisions made by the rajahs, the rajahs are making decisions that make sense to the rest of us, even if they didn't make sense to the 90-year-old running the organization until 4.5 months ago. He may have made these artibrary decisions based on some inner voice of spiritual intuition, or on some capricious whim of a senile old man, or on a shrewd analysis of how to test his follower's loyalty. Regardless (and regardless of whether this latest rumor is true or not), his more interesting rules are being overturned quite rapidly. Lawson
[FairfieldLife] Re: You can Initiate Meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > wrote: > > > > The policy has just been reinstated that Governors, > > "recertified" or not, can instruct parents, children > > and siblings in the TM technique for free. > > > > Jai Guru Dev, > > > > > How about spouses? > > Do they have to pay? > > And how about gay spouses...and I'm not joking here. I know a gay > initiator up in Canada who wants to initiate his partner. Now, they > aren't technically "married" -- which, as you know, they can do in > Canada -- but since they've lived together for about 7 years, that > makes them "common law" spouses... > > So what's the ruling on this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't tell anyone, but I charged my mother. Was good karma for her. > > > I guess that means I can tell the my dozen or so family members that they can meditate again :) sheesh .can I breathe now or should I wait for a 'ruling'? JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: You can Initiate Meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The policy has just been reinstated that Governors, > "recertified" or not, can instruct parents, children > and siblings in the TM technique for free. > > Jai Guru Dev, How about spouses? Do they have to pay? And how about gay spouses...and I'm not joking here. I know a gay initiator up in Canada who wants to initiate his partner. Now, they aren't technically "married" -- which, as you know, they can do in Canada -- but since they've lived together for about 7 years, that makes them "common law" spouses... So what's the ruling on this? > > > Don't tell anyone, but I charged my mother. Was good karma for her. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: You can Initiate Meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The bullshit rearranging the deck chairs on > the Titanic doesn't interest me at all. But > learning who thinks that he (it's a given that > it's a man, or a "them" composed of men) is the > captain (or co-captains) interests me. > Notwithstanding the misplaced misandrist characteristic of the above statement, I must agree with Barry. Who came up with this bullshit -- and not the actual bullshit itself - - is eternally fascinating. Plus, I'd give an arm and a leg to see the minutes of the meeting in which it was discussed...and my first born for a videotape of the proceedings.
[FairfieldLife] Re: You can Initiate Meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > wrote: > > > > The policy has just been reinstated that Governors, > > "recertified" or not, can instruct parents, children > > and siblings in the TM technique for free. "Through the course of this intro lecture, I feel so close to each and everyone of you. You are my brothers and sisters in this age of rising bliss and fulfillment. Thus, I invite you, my famiy of kindred spirits, to all learn this vibrant tehnology of life, TM, for free."
[FairfieldLife] Re: You can Initiate Meditation
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The policy has just been reinstated that Governors, > "recertified" or not, can instruct parents, children > and siblings in the TM technique for free. > > Jai Guru Dev, So who is "proclaiming" these things? Whose name is on the memos or announcements or whatever they are? The bullshit rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic doesn't interest me at all. But learning who thinks that he (it's a given that it's a man, or a "them" composed of men) is the captain (or co-captains) interests me.
