[FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 22, 2008, at 8:27 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: That seems like a really honest assessment to me. Yup, me too, spot on... Besides, regular meditators are passing away faster than new ones are starting anyway That's a depressing thought. I'd like to think people are simply finding more interesting things to do than actually checking out. Hope I'm not kidding myself. Sal If they had a checking regularily, and believe me they don't, they would not check out before the age of say roundabout 80. The stable first generation TM-meditators I know of are now in their 80's or 90's, some few are older that 100 years and are very active indeed. And none of these first generation meditators, the Pioneers of the Age of Enlightenment, have any problems with alzheimer. One gentleman I know was 52 years old when he learned TM from Maharishi in 1960. Last week he attended his first computercourse for seniors, has bought a PC and is now paying his bills via the internet :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 22, 2008, at 8:27 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: That seems like a really honest assessment to me. Yup, me too, spot on... Besides, regular meditators are passing away faster than new ones are starting anyway That's a depressing thought. I'd like to think people are simply finding more interesting things to do than actually checking out. Hope I'm not kidding myself. Sal It's certainly true in my area, and probably true elsewhere. It just points up 'the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations'. Is the spiritual ecosystem so fragile that it can't even stand a decreasing level of 'coherence'? JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . So, this is when things started to change, and some of the people who had contributed to the success of the TM movement, Jerry Jarvis and some of the others, left the movement. They were replaced with Bevan and the others who brought different tone to the whole thing. I feel this contributed to what happened around the time of 1977- 1978... R.G. This is a pretty good observation from an american viewpoint, though it happened also in many other countries simultaniously. It was ofcourse, a natural and necessary progression. Those older fellows certainly did not have the stamina and strenght to shoulder the greater responsebility Maharishi had been asked to do; to usher in the Age of Enlightenment. Nor did they have the necessary flexebility to carry out the multiple tasks Maharishi had in store for mankind once the Dawn was rising to the Full Sunshine of the Age of Enlightenment on a world scale. In hintersight one sees how wonderfully Nature takes care of every little aspect of life, once She is allowed to do so. Maharishi was one such rare soul who, by the grace of Guru Dev, let Her do so.
[FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:57 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations So, this is when things started to change, and some of the people who had contributed to the success of the TM movement, Jerry Jarvis and some of the others, left the movement. I don't think Jerry left voluntarily. As I recall the story, Jerry aggressively pursued the NJ court case, hiring an expensive law firm (I don't know how supportive MMY was of this effort). When the TMO lost the case, MMY didn't want Jerry to pay the lawyers, but he did, so MMY demoted him. This is also pretty accurate. Many other things happened at the same time also. Just went to show that Jarvis was not a particularily flexible fellow, nor was he tuned into his Teacher's thinking.
[FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I don't think Jerry left voluntarily. As I recall the story, Jerry aggressively pursued the NJ court case, hiring an expensive law firm (I don't know how supportive MMY was of this effort). When the TMO lost the case, MMY didn't want Jerry to pay the lawyers, but he did, so MMY demoted him. This is also pretty accurate. Many other things happened at the same time also. Just went to show that Jarvis was not a particularily flexible fellow, nor was he tuned into his Teacher's thinking. So true. Jerry had ethics and was sane.
[FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I don't think Jerry left voluntarily. As I recall the story, Jerry aggressively pursued the NJ court case, hiring an expensive law firm (I don't know how supportive MMY was of this effort). When the TMO lost the case, MMY didn't want Jerry to pay the lawyers, but he did, so MMY demoted him. This is also pretty accurate. Many other things happened at the same time also. Just went to show that Jarvis was not a particularily flexible fellow, nor was he tuned into his Teacher's thinking. So true. Jerry had ethics and was sane. Yes, but he was not flexible. And not worthy an important place in the historybooks. He's footnote, at best.
[FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
--- I question his philosophical world-view. He's a Nihilist Advaita- Vedantin in the Nisargadatta camp. (after Realization and physical death, there's supposedly no more relative existence). Buddhism, otoh, has room for the possibility of (while alive...going on to attain a Rainbow Light body); and if dead and: 1. Not realized yet, continue progress in the Pure Land of the Buddhas. 2. If Enlightened, manifest any number of transformation bodies to continue service to others. That's the key: no body, no service. If you're an Advaitin nihilist with a prospect of nothing; well, that shows where you're coming from. Better even to become a Jesus devotee than a nihilist and spend lifetimes only to be nothing. In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: I don't think Jerry left voluntarily. As I recall the story, Jerry aggressively pursued the NJ court case, hiring an expensive law firm (I don't know how supportive MMY was of this effort). When the TMO lost the case, MMY didn't want Jerry to pay the lawyers, but he did, so MMY demoted him. This is also pretty accurate. Many other things happened at the same time also. Just went to show that Jarvis was not a particularily flexible fellow, nor was he tuned into his Teacher's thinking. So true. Jerry had ethics and was sane. Yes, but he was not flexible. And not worthy an important place in the historybooks. He's footnote, at best.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
On Sep 22, 2008, at 8:27 PM, jyouells2000 wrote: That seems like a really honest assessment to me. Yup, me too, spot on... Besides, regular meditators are passing away faster than new ones are starting anyway That's a depressing thought. I'd like to think people are simply finding more interesting things to do than actually checking out. Hope I'm not kidding myself. Sal
[FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
The ultimate symbol of all that deluded striving, for me anyways, is the naked steel beams in a cornfield somewhere in Kansas. I hope someone does a photo-essay or at least a photo. They're the citipati (lit.: master of the funeral pyre; dancing skeletons) of TM. *** Central University's premature building boom (without funding or students or accreditation) was obviously ridiculous, but if you put steel beams together, you can take them apart and use them in building something at MUM, which is enjoying a reasonable amount of success in their mostly foreign-student-who-wants-to-work-intheusa enrollment , about 1200 students this fall. It's gonna be real embarrassing to leave those skeletal bldgs rusting in Ozland, so I'll bet they'll recycle em this way. http://www.mum.edu/TheReview/#2 University Enrolls 203 New Students Enrollment continues to surge, with 203 new students enrolling this fall 114 undergraduate students and 89 graduate. This represents a 37% increase in new students compared to a year ago and a 44% increase in new undergraduates. As of September 6, a total of 1,070 students were enrolled, including those completing their degrees via distance education. This number will increase when M.U.M.-Beijing starts classes later this month, and when the Computer Professionals Program has its entry in October. The total fall enrollment will then be well over 1,200. Total enrollment has doubled over the last three years and tripled since 2000. These increases are attributed in part to a rising interest in Consciousness-Based(SM) education. There's a fundamental change happening among students in America, says Ron Barnett, dean of Admissions. More and more, students are sensing there's something beneath the surface that's missing in their life. And they're becoming increasingly aware that conventional approaches to solving problems and preventing war and suffering are superficial and ineffective. What they want from their education is more than career preparation. They want to discover the greater reality within them, and to be with others on that same quest. The fastest growing undergraduate program is Sustainable Living, with 33 returning majors and over 60 students entering the major this semester.
[FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
---If you build it, they will come - Kevin Costner In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ultimate symbol of all that deluded striving, for me anyways, is the naked steel beams in a cornfield somewhere in Kansas. I hope someone does a photo-essay or at least a photo. They're the citipati (lit.: master of the funeral pyre; dancing skeletons) of TM. *** Central University's premature building boom (without funding or students or accreditation) was obviously ridiculous, but if you put steel beams together, you can take them apart and use them in building something at MUM, which is enjoying a reasonable amount of success in their mostly foreign-student-who-wants-to-work-intheusa enrollment , about 1200 students this fall. It's gonna be real embarrassing to leave those skeletal bldgs rusting in Ozland, so I'll bet they'll recycle em this way. http://www.mum.edu/TheReview/#2 University Enrolls 203 New Students Enrollment continues to surge, with 203 new students enrolling this fall 114 undergraduate students and 89 graduate. This represents a 37% increase in new students compared to a year ago and a 44% increase in new undergraduates. As of September 6, a total of 1,070 students were enrolled, including those completing their degrees via distance education. This number will increase when M.U.M.-Beijing starts classes later this month, and when the Computer Professionals Program has its entry in October. The total fall enrollment will then be well over 1,200. Total enrollment has doubled over the last three years and tripled since 2000. These increases are attributed in part to a rising interest in Consciousness-Based(SM) education. There's a fundamental change happening among students in America, says Ron Barnett, dean of Admissions. More and more, students are sensing there's something beneath the surface that's missing in their life. And they're becoming increasingly aware that conventional approaches to solving problems and preventing war and suffering are superficial and ineffective. What they want from their education is more than career preparation. They want to discover the greater reality within them, and to be with others on that same quest. The fastest growing undergraduate program is Sustainable Living, with 33 returning majors and over 60 students entering the major this semester.
[FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
They built it, and no one came.--Sal Sunshine --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---If you build it, they will come - Kevin Costner In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, bob_brigante no_reply@ wrote: The ultimate symbol of all that deluded striving, for me anyways, is the naked steel beams in a cornfield somewhere in Kansas. I hope someone does a photo-essay or at least a photo. They're the citipati (lit.: master of the funeral pyre; dancing skeletons) of TM.
[FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mainstream20016 mainstream20016@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert babajii_99@ wrote: (snip) If anything, most of the TM moodmakers that I know appear to be staunch Repugs. (snip) Finally, an explanation of what went wrong with the TM movement. Exactly the same thing that is wrong with this country. Except that nothing went wrong with the TMO, it is thriving and expanding in every field except initiations, which was a willed development. But you can't see that because you are too biased. Nabby, I'm in the mood for being entertained. Please elaborate on '...TMOexpanding in every field except initiations, which was a willed development.' ... Thanks. -Mainstream Main, why on earth should I waste time entertaining you ? Go instead to your favorite nudity web-page and enjoy your favorite activity in the comfort of your own chair. Nabby, I love the nudity of my spouse, and frankly, she's hot enough for me to satisfy me such that porn web-sites are boring to me. Not that you would know anything about real relationships, what with the degree of reverance and awe you expend upon MMY, who would probably laugh wildly at the absurdity of your claim that he willed to have fewer initiates. -Mainstream Glad you like your wife, if she likes you I presume we here are talking of two weirdos. If it wasn't willed to lower the initiations by raising the price to 2500.- dollars I'm very very eager to hear Mains explanation. You haven't paid attention have you; already in the early '80s Maharishi said that from now on we do not need any more meditators. Not one ! But you missed that one, and pretty much everything else that happened during the last 25 years WITHIN the TMO, or so it seems. Yeah, Nabby, I heard that MMY, in the late 70s, with a certain spring in his step and enthusiasm in his voice related to the 'progress' six-month course participants were having with the TMSP, said that the world had enough meditators to fulfill the 'age of enlightenment' goals of his organization, presumably because of the extra life-supporting atmospheric effects of the Sidhis versus simple TM practice. The difference between you and me is that I didn't believe he was telling it like he really saw it at the time, and you still believe it 30+years later. What happened was this: After spending the previous 25 years relentlessly and selflessly promoting TM to the point at which he, Maharishi, the TM Movement, and the TM Technique had actually gained some semblance of credibility, he flushed it ALL down the toilet by introducing the flying technique to the world in the manner that he did. This was in late '76, early '77. When he realized that he goofed, what could he do other than cover his tracks? And this, Nabby, is what was behind the announcement that the world had enough meditators. As soon as he announced the flying, initiations started a dramatic decline. No one would touch us with a 10-foot pole. Indeed, although I have no hard statistics to back it up, I suggest to you that at least 20% of TM Teachers quit meditating during this time period becaus of their disillusionment with the TMO over the Flying. And by the end of the '70s when he made the announcement that Nabby referred to, it was an attempt to cover his tracks: Oh, we don't need any more initiations really meant no one is beating a path to our door any longer because the world thinks we're a bunch of idiots. ...and... It is time to introduce new knowledge such as Ayur Veda, Schtapatya Veda, etc. really meant Our financial resources are drying up because no one is being initiated anymore so we have to find new ways to milk money out of the true believers. ...and... it is best to put the price up to $2,5000 really meant Only die- hard numbskulls would be stupid enough to start TM so we might as well get as much out of them as possible.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
On Sep 22, 2008, at 7:29 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: What happened was this: After spending the previous 25 years relentlessly and selflessly promoting TM to the point at which he, Maharishi, the TM Movement, and the TM Technique had actually gained some semblance of credibility, he flushed it ALL down the toilet by introducing the flying technique to the world in the manner that he did. This was in late '76, early '77. When he realized that he goofed, what could he do other than cover his tracks? And this, Nabby, is what was behind the announcement that the world had enough meditators. As soon as he announced the flying, initiations started a dramatic decline. No one would touch us with a 10-foot pole. Indeed, although I have no hard statistics to back it up, I suggest to you that at least 20% of TM Teachers quit meditating during this time period becaus of their disillusionment with the TMO over the Flying. And by the end of the '70s when he made the announcement that Nabby referred to, it was an attempt to cover his tracks: Oh, we don't need any more initiations really meant no one is beating a path to our door any longer because the world thinks we're a bunch of idiots. ...and... It is time to introduce new knowledge such as Ayur Veda, Schtapatya Veda, etc. really meant Our financial resources are drying up because no one is being initiated anymore so we have to find new ways to milk money out of the true believers. ...and... it is best to put the price up to $2,5000 really meant Only die- hard numbskulls would be stupid enough to start TM so we might as well get as much out of them as possible. That seems like a really honest assessment to me.
[FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mainstream20016 Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:11 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations Yeah, Nabby, I heard that MMY, in the late 70s, with a certain spring in his step and enthusiasm in his voice related to the 'progress' six-month course participants were having with the TMSP, said that the world had enough meditators to fulfill the 'age of enlightenment' goals of his organization, presumably because of the extra life-supporting atmospheric effects of the Sidhis versus simple TM practice. The difference between you and me is that I didn't believe he was telling it like he really saw it at the time, and you still believe it 30+years later. And that was because initiations had tanked in the late 70's, after the siddhis made such a weird impression on the public Yes I certainly LOVE this word; public. As if the man on the street, the public, including most on FFL, ever knew anything what is happening behind the scenes. As if the public isn't the hard rocks of ignorance. As if the public are not the greatest dummies who will always believe what other dummies tells them to be the Truth. The Public always believes that the last speaker is telling the truth. And the public do not understand what the greatest Masters, Maharishi and Brahmananda Saraswathi did to try to save their lives. The public will certainly be more happy to believe that the energies operating Wall Street is benevolent. That the public denounced Maharishi and His desperate attempt to save the americans and their capitalism is, at least for me, the Crowning of Achivement. I believe that any Master that is denounced by the public, in this case voiced by the words of Rick Archer, will know that He is on the right track.
[FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
--I believe that any Master that is denounced by the public, in this case voiced by the words of Rick Archer, will know that He is on the right track. ...Jim Jones, Warren Jeffs,... - In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer rick@ wrote: From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mainstream20016 Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 4:11 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations Yeah, Nabby, I heard that MMY, in the late 70s, with a certain spring in his step and enthusiasm in his voice related to the 'progress' six-month course participants were having with the TMSP, said that the world had enough meditators to fulfill the 'age of enlightenment' goals of his organization, presumably because of the extra life-supporting atmospheric effects of the Sidhis versus simple TM practice. The difference between you and me is that I didn't believe he was telling it like he really saw it at the time, and you still believe it 30+years later. And that was because initiations had tanked in the late 70's, after the siddhis made such a weird impression on the public Yes I certainly LOVE this word; public. As if the man on the street, the public, including most on FFL, ever knew anything what is happening behind the scenes. As if the public isn't the hard rocks of ignorance. As if the public are not the greatest dummies who will always believe what other dummies tells them to be the Truth. The Public always believes that the last speaker is telling the truth. And the public do not understand what the greatest Masters, Maharishi and Brahmananda Saraswathi did to try to save their lives. The public will certainly be more happy to believe that the energies operating Wall Street is benevolent. That the public denounced Maharishi and His desperate attempt to save the americans and their capitalism is, at least for me, the Crowning of Achivement. I believe that any Master that is denounced by the public, in this case voiced by the words of Rick Archer, will know that He is on the right track.
[FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, yifuxero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --I believe that any Master that is denounced by the public, in this case voiced by the words of Rick Archer, will know that He is on the right track. ...Jim Jones, Warren Jeffs,... Jim Reeves wasn't well received by certain critics either. But he sang like a god nevertheless.
[FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 22, 2008, at 7:29 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: What happened was this: After spending the previous 25 years relentlessly and selflessly promoting TM to the point at which he, Maharishi, the TM Movement, and the TM Technique had actually gained some semblance of credibility, he flushed it ALL down the toilet by introducing the flying technique to the world in the manner that he did. This was in late '76, early '77. When he realized that he goofed, what could he do other than cover his tracks? And this, Nabby, is what was behind the announcement that the world had enough meditators. As soon as he announced the flying, initiations started a dramatic decline. No one would touch us with a 10-foot pole. Indeed, although I have no hard statistics to back it up, I suggest to you that at least 20% of TM Teachers quit meditating during this time period becaus of their disillusionment with the TMO over the Flying. And by the end of the '70s when he made the announcement that Nabby referred to, it was an attempt to cover his tracks: Oh, we don't need any more initiations really meant no one is beating a path to our door any longer because the world thinks we're a bunch of idiots. ...and... It is time to introduce new knowledge such as Ayur Veda, Schtapatya Veda, etc. really meant Our financial resources are drying up because no one is being initiated anymore so we have to find new ways to milk money out of the true believers. ...and... it is best to put the price up to $2,5000 really meant Only die- hard numbskulls would be stupid enough to start TM so we might as well get as much out of them as possible. That seems like a really honest assessment to me. Yup, me too, spot on... Besides, regular meditators are passing away faster than new ones are starting anyway JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
(snip) What happened was this: After spending the previous 25 years relentlessly and selflessly promoting TM to the point at which he, Maharishi, the TM Movement, and the TM Technique had actually gained some semblance of credibility, he flushed it ALL down the toilet by introducing the flying technique to the world in the manner that he did. This was in late '76, early '77. (snip) This was also about the time, that the TMO was being dragged through the courts, the puja revealed as being a religious ceremony, etc. I remember Jerry Jarvis being enraged that TM having been so successfully taught and the excitement of having TM taught in public school, being short-circuited by the courts decision. Much of the emphasis to make TM a scientifically based technique, and not in the realm of mysticism or religion, had suddenly been deemed a religious rite and banned from public schools, etc. Jerry was saying how stupid the decision was and how angry he was about it, and that they had decided not to appeal the decision. So, this is when things started to change, and some of the people who had contributed to the success of the TM movement, Jerry Jarvis and some of the others, left the movement. They were replaced with Bevan and the others who brought different tone to the whole thing. I feel this contributed to what happened around the time of 1977- 1978... R.G.
RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:57 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations So, this is when things started to change, and some of the people who had contributed to the success of the TM movement, Jerry Jarvis and some of the others, left the movement. I don't think Jerry left voluntarily. As I recall the story, Jerry aggressively pursued the NJ court case, hiring an expensive law firm (I don't know how supportive MMY was of this effort). When the TMO lost the case, MMY didn't want Jerry to pay the lawyers, but he did, so MMY demoted him.
[FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Sep 22, 2008, at 7:29 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: What happened was this: After spending the previous 25 years relentlessly and selflessly promoting TM to the point at which he, Maharishi, the TM Movement, and the TM Technique had actually gained some semblance of credibility, he flushed it ALL down the toilet by introducing the flying technique to the world in the manner that he did. This was in late '76, early '77. When he realized that he goofed, what could he do other than cover his tracks? And this, Nabby, is what was behind the announcement that the world had enough meditators. As soon as he announced the flying, initiations started a dramatic decline. No one would touch us with a 10-foot pole. Indeed, although I have no hard statistics to back it up, I suggest to you that at least 20% of TM Teachers quit meditating during this time period becaus of their disillusionment with the TMO over the Flying. And by the end of the '70s when he made the announcement that Nabby referred to, it was an attempt to cover his tracks: Oh, we don't need any more initiations really meant no one is beating a path to our door any longer because the world thinks we're a bunch of idiots. ...and... It is time to introduce new knowledge such as Ayur Veda, Schtapatya Veda, etc. really meant Our financial resources are drying up because no one is being initiated anymore so we have to find new ways to milk money out of the true believers. ...and... it is best to put the price up to $2,5000 really meant Only die- hard numbskulls would be stupid enough to start TM so we might as well get as much out of them as possible. That seems like a really honest assessment to me. Yup, me too, spot on... Besides, regular meditators are passing away faster than new ones are starting anyway JohnY Interesting observation, JohnY. So what you're saying is that the TM population of the world isn't even zero population growth but is NEGATIVE population growth... Just like Russia...without the vodka.
[FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, shempmcgurk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jyouells2000 jyouells@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj vajradhatu@ wrote: On Sep 22, 2008, at 7:29 PM, shempmcgurk wrote: What happened was this: After spending the previous 25 years relentlessly and selflessly promoting TM to the point at which he, Maharishi, the TM Movement, and the TM Technique had actually gained some semblance of credibility, he flushed it ALL down the toilet by introducing the flying technique to the world in the manner that he did. This was in late '76, early '77. When he realized that he goofed, what could he do other than cover his tracks? And this, Nabby, is what was behind the announcement that the world had enough meditators. As soon as he announced the flying, initiations started a dramatic decline. No one would touch us with a 10-foot pole. Indeed, although I have no hard statistics to back it up, I suggest to you that at least 20% of TM Teachers quit meditating during this time period becaus of their disillusionment with the TMO over the Flying. And by the end of the '70s when he made the announcement that Nabby referred to, it was an attempt to cover his tracks: Oh, we don't need any more initiations really meant no one is beating a path to our door any longer because the world thinks we're a bunch of idiots. ...and... It is time to introduce new knowledge such as Ayur Veda, Schtapatya Veda, etc. really meant Our financial resources are drying up because no one is being initiated anymore so we have to find new ways to milk money out of the true believers. ...and... it is best to put the price up to $2,5000 really meant Only die- hard numbskulls would be stupid enough to start TM so we might as well get as much out of them as possible. That seems like a really honest assessment to me. Yup, me too, spot on... Besides, regular meditators are passing away faster than new ones are starting anyway JohnY Interesting observation, JohnY. So what you're saying is that the TM population of the world isn't even zero population growth but is NEGATIVE population growth... Just like Russia...without the vodka. Hey, even Chopra has a center within 20 miles of my location, and they get great press from the local hospitals and the local PBS station. If the TMO wasn't just a fund raising and real estate organization, they would get good press too. JohnY
[FairfieldLife] Re: now: the absurdity of the idea of willling fewer initiations
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) What happened was this: After spending the previous 25 years relentlessly and selflessly promoting TM to the point at which he, Maharishi, the TM Movement, and the TM Technique had actually gained some semblance of credibility, he flushed it ALL down the toilet by introducing the flying technique to the world in the manner that he did. This was in late '76, early '77. (snip) This was also about the time, that the TMO was being dragged through the courts, the puja revealed as being a religious ceremony, etc. I remember Jerry Jarvis being enraged that TM having been so successfully taught and the excitement of having TM taught in public school, being short-circuited by the courts decision. Much of the emphasis to make TM a scientifically based technique, and not in the realm of mysticism or religion, had suddenly been deemed a religious rite and banned from public schools, etc. Jerry was saying how stupid the decision was and how angry he was about it, and that they had decided not to appeal the decision. Although I respect Jerry enormously, I have to disagree with him on this one. Have any of you seen the SCI curriculum book for the high schoolers that the TMO drew up for them to use? I did. I was a student at MIU at the time and it was passed around for us to take a gander at. IT WAS A COMPLETE AND UNEQUIVOCAL RELIGIOUS BOOK. All you had to do was replace the words absolute, pure consciousness, or being withe God and it would have read the same. There was nothing scientific about it and it would have been a travesty of justice if the other side hadn't have won. The TMO was just stupid in writing up the curriculum book. Talk about vetting! Well, no one vetted it, obviously, from the legal standpoint of separation of church and state. I assume that there were a whole bunch of yes men around Maharishi telling him how wonderful it was. And there was no one to whisper: hey, this is great stuff but it simply doesn't pass the smell test when it comes to separation of church and state. All the TMO had to do was change some of its language here and there and it would have passed muster. But, no, that's not how things are done in the TMO. Maharishi, the guru, gets to do what he wants, the yes men -- afraid of losing their place in the pecking order of getting his darshan -- don't say boo!, and the TMO gets fucked over each and every time. And they have no one to blame but themselves. So, this is when things started to change, and some of the people who had contributed to the success of the TM movement, Jerry Jarvis and some of the others, left the movement. They were replaced with Bevan and the others who brought different tone to the whole thing. I feel this contributed to what happened around the time of 1977- 1978... R.G.
