[FairfieldLife] Re: question for MZ
sorry wrong excerpt chapter from SACRED SCHISMS: How Religions Divide by James R. Lewis & Sarah M. Lewis, I'm sorryPlease forgive meThank you I love you Happy Ho'oponopono loving yourself to everyone. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, merudanda wrote: > > The four questions were: > 1. Is Robin Carlsen Enlightened? > 2. Are the Techniques for the Discovery of Grace compatible with the > Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi program? > 3. Is Robin Carlsen's teaching in the World Teacher Seminar a violation > of the purity of the teaching of the Holy Tradition of Maharishi and > Guru Dev? > 4. It is Maharishi's desire that Meditators, Sidhas, and Governors of > the Age of Enlightenment not influenced by Robin Woodsworth Carlsen's > ideas, seminars, or his techniques? > > http://tinyurl.com/c78cwta > > from Vincent P. McCARTHY, Plaintiff,. v. The IOWA DISTRICT COURT FOR > JEFFERSON COUNTY, Defendant. No. 84-1768. Court of Appeals of Iowa > Discussion by Cynthia Ann Humes > http://tinyurl.com/bmvea2k > SACRED SCHISMS: How Religions Divide by James R. Lewis & Sarah M. Lewis, > Schisms within Hindu guru groups: the Transcendental Meditation movement > in North America pp. 287-305 > > Interesting in a book entitled Goddess of Blood, Goddess of Love: > Divinity and Power in the Devi Mahatmya and Vindhyachal Temple (SUNY) > forthcomin by Cynthia Ann Humes :In Gurudev\'s Words: the Everyday > Teachings of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. Hindi speeches compiled by > Rameswar Tiwari. English translation from the Hindi and Sanskrit, > Edited, with Commentary and Annotation which focuses on the cult of > Vindhyavasini and contemporary recitation of the goddess text known as > the Devi Mahatmya. > She is also interested in ritual and sacrifice, and Transcendental > Meditation in the United States. > Cynthia completed her Ph.D. in Asian Religions at the University of > Iowa, where she specialized in Sanskrit literature and Indic religions. > She has been a research scholar at Banaras Hindu University, and is a > Foreign Language Area Studies, Fulbright, NEH, Woodrow Wilson, and > American Institute of Indian Studies Fellow. > > She also co-edited and contributed to Living Banaras: Hindu Religion in > Cultural Contex contributed chapters to this compilation of essays on > the city long considered the most sacred pilgrimage site of Hinduism. > This work attempts to provide greater insight into Hindu religion by > interrogating and broadening the category of what have been > traditionally classified as "religious," as well as by examining > phenomena through a multidisciplinary lens, especially through recent > fieldwork rather than mere texts. > http://www.amazon.com/Living-Banaras-Religion-Cultural-Context/dp/079141\ \ > 3322 > > In "A Meeting with Imam Khumayni" an authentic historical document and > testimony describing " the experience of thousands or perhaps millions > of human beings who have had an opportunity to encounter the great > charisma, charm, and faith emanated by an authentic disciple of > Islam"include list of his publication > > http://www.al-islam.org/al-tawhid/kashkul.htm > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman" > at_man_and_brahman@ wrote: > > > > Would you care to share the specifics of the questions (assuming you > remember them)? > > > > Also, given that you appear to be perhaps the only person in history > to have gained "unity" consciousness and then later denounced it as some > sort of put-on or hype or illusion, do you believe there's a real form > of higher spirituality? If so, what do you think it is and how might one > progress toward it? > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman" > wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi. I'm a long-term lurker and very occasional poster on FFL. I > had a close high school friend who went to MIU a few years before I did. > He, as a freshman, attended your meetings and got royally confused and > left MIU and the Movement, enrolling in Messiah College. From Maharishi > to Messiah. These days, he's a Calvinist. > > > > > > > > By the time I got to MIU as a staff member, it was clear that RC > was a dirty word. I picked up bits and pieces of the melodrama during > that time and in later years. > > > > > > > > If you would, please tell me what the questions were you put to > Maharishi in the lawsuit and what his responses were. I've wondered that > for years. > > > > > > RESPONSE: Nothing wrong with being a Calvinist, I think. Those > questions put to Maharishi (and the sounds he made in answer to them) > are part of an incredibly complicated legal and dramatic conflict > between MIU and the Movement I was creating. When (as it were) a gun was > put to Maharishi's head, he refused pointblank to endorse my tampering > with the Sidhis by acknowledging my enlightenment. The questions were > designed to extort from Maharishi a response
[FairfieldLife] Re: question for MZ
The four questions were: 1. Is Robin Carlsen Enlightened? 2. Are the Techniques for the Discovery of Grace compatible with the Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi program? 3. Is Robin Carlsen's teaching in the World Teacher Seminar a violation of the purity of the teaching of the Holy Tradition of Maharishi and Guru Dev? 4. It is Maharishi's desire that Meditators, Sidhas, and Governors of the Age of Enlightenment not influenced by Robin Woodsworth Carlsen's ideas, seminars, or his techniques? http://tinyurl.com/c78cwta from Vincent P. McCARTHY, Plaintiff,. v. The IOWA DISTRICT COURT FOR JEFFERSON COUNTY, Defendant. No. 84-1768. Court of Appeals of Iowa Discussion by Cynthia Ann Humes http://tinyurl.com/bmvea2k SACRED SCHISMS: How Religions Divide by James R. Lewis & Sarah M. Lewis, Schisms within Hindu guru groups: the Transcendental Meditation movement in North America pp. 287-305 Interesting in a book entitled Goddess of Blood, Goddess of Love: Divinity and Power in the Devi Mahatmya and Vindhyachal Temple (SUNY) forthcomin by Cynthia Ann Humes :In Gurudev\'s Words: the Everyday Teachings of Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. Hindi speeches compiled by Rameswar Tiwari. English translation from the Hindi and Sanskrit, Edited, with Commentary and Annotation which focuses on the cult of Vindhyavasini and contemporary recitation of the goddess text known as the Devi Mahatmya. She is also interested in ritual and sacrifice, and Transcendental Meditation in the United States. Cynthia completed her Ph.D. in Asian Religions at the University of Iowa, where she specialized in Sanskrit literature and Indic religions. She has been a research scholar at Banaras Hindu University, and is a Foreign Language Area Studies, Fulbright, NEH, Woodrow Wilson, and American Institute of Indian Studies Fellow. She also co-edited and contributed to Living Banaras: Hindu Religion in Cultural Contex contributed chapters to this compilation of essays on the city long considered the most sacred pilgrimage site of Hinduism. This work attempts to provide greater insight into Hindu religion by interrogating and broadening the category of what have been traditionally classified as "religious," as well as by examining phenomena through a multidisciplinary lens, especially through recent fieldwork rather than mere texts. http://www.amazon.com/Living-Banaras-Religion-Cultural-Context/dp/079141\ 3322 In "A Meeting with Imam Khumayni" an authentic historical document and testimony describing " the experience of thousands or perhaps millions of human beings who have had an opportunity to encounter the great charisma, charm, and faith emanated by an authentic disciple of Islam"include list of his publication http://www.al-islam.org/al-tawhid/kashkul.htm --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman" wrote: > > Would you care to share the specifics of the questions (assuming you remember them)? > > Also, given that you appear to be perhaps the only person in history to have gained "unity" consciousness and then later denounced it as some sort of put-on or hype or illusion, do you believe there's a real form of higher spirituality? If so, what do you think it is and how might one progress toward it? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra no_reply@ wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman" wrote: > > > > > > Hi. I'm a long-term lurker and very occasional poster on FFL. I had a close high school friend who went to MIU a few years before I did. He, as a freshman, attended your meetings and got royally confused and left MIU and the Movement, enrolling in Messiah College. From Maharishi to Messiah. These days, he's a Calvinist. > > > > > > By the time I got to MIU as a staff member, it was clear that RC was a dirty word. I picked up bits and pieces of the melodrama during that time and in later years. > > > > > > If you would, please tell me what the questions were you put to Maharishi in the lawsuit and what his responses were. I've wondered that for years. > > > > RESPONSE: Nothing wrong with being a Calvinist, I think. Those questions put to Maharishi (and the sounds he made in answer to them) are part of an incredibly complicated legal and dramatic conflict between MIU and the Movement I was creating. When (as it were) a gun was put to Maharishi's head, he refused pointblank to endorse my tampering with the Sidhis by acknowledging my enlightenment. The questions were designed to extort from Maharishi a response which would have meant the destruction of the purity of The Teaching. By his perfunctory answers (to speak euphemistically) he gave expression to his extreme unhappiness that I by my sincere but quixotic actions had created in him. The tape of his responsesplayed in court by Bevan Morriswas strangely and inexplicably unsatisfactory. Nevertheless, the questionsall about my putative enlightenment and my right to amend the sidhiswere answered (if one can coun
[FairfieldLife] Re: question for MZ
Would you care to share the specifics of the questions (assuming you remember them)? Also, given that you appear to be perhaps the only person in history to have gained "unity" consciousness and then later denounced it as some sort of put-on or hype or illusion, do you believe there's a real form of higher spirituality? If so, what do you think it is and how might one progress toward it? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, maskedzebra wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman" > wrote: > > > > Hi. I'm a long-term lurker and very occasional poster on FFL. I had a close > > high school friend who went to MIU a few years before I did. He, as a > > freshman, attended your meetings and got royally confused and left MIU and > > the Movement, enrolling in Messiah College. From Maharishi to Messiah. > > These days, he's a Calvinist. > > > > By the time I got to MIU as a staff member, it was clear that RC was a > > dirty word. I picked up bits and pieces of the melodrama during that time > > and in later years. > > > > If you would, please tell me what the questions were you put to Maharishi > > in the lawsuit and what his responses were. I've wondered that for years. > > RESPONSE: Nothing wrong with being a Calvinist, I think. Those questions put > to Maharishi (and the sounds he made in answer to them) are part of an > incredibly complicated legal and dramatic conflict between MIU and the > Movement I was creating. When (as it were) a gun was put to Maharishi's head, > he refused pointblank to endorse my tampering with the Sidhis by > acknowledging my enlightenment. The questions were designed to extort from > Maharishi a response which would have meant the destruction of the purity of > The Teaching. By his perfunctory answers (to speak euphemistically) he gave > expression to his extreme unhappiness that I by my sincere but quixotic > actions had created in him. The tape of his responsesplayed in court by > Bevan Morriswas strangely and inexplicably unsatisfactory. Nevertheless, the > questionsall about my putative enlightenment and my right to amend the > sidhiswere answered (if one can count audible short grunts as answers) in > the negative. > > But Maharishi himself appeared to be intensely ambivalent about the whole > thing. Which is why, accordingly, he instructed (I just heard about this > recently), Bevan to "leave Robin alone". > > That Maharishi guy, he was really something.The only real romance of my life. > > THere is a book in which the lawyers involved in this dispute are quoted > extensively. It's called Sacred Schisms, and I believe it can be > downloadedbut I'm not sure about this. > > I wish your friend well; if I may be permitted to say it, I think him > infinitely better off returning to Christianity than remaining at MIU. For I > think Christianity (Roman Catholicism) ONCE was the Truth. It's just that God > has withdrawn himself from his Church. Which is why and how the Eastern gods > invaded the West with impunity. They couldn't do this on such a massive scale > before. But I have gone beyond what you have asked me. > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: question for MZ
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "at_man_and_brahman" wrote: > > Hi. I'm a long-term lurker and very occasional poster on FFL. I had a close > high school friend who went to MIU a few years before I did. He, as a > freshman, attended your meetings and got royally confused and left MIU and > the Movement, enrolling in Messiah College. From Maharishi to Messiah. These > days, he's a Calvinist. > > By the time I got to MIU as a staff member, it was clear that RC was a dirty > word. I picked up bits and pieces of the melodrama during that time and in > later years. > > If you would, please tell me what the questions were you put to Maharishi in > the lawsuit and what his responses were. I've wondered that for years. RESPONSE: Nothing wrong with being a Calvinist, I think. Those questions put to Maharishi (and the sounds he made in answer to them) are part of an incredibly complicated legal and dramatic conflict between MIU and the Movement I was creating. When (as it were) a gun was put to Maharishi's head, he refused pointblank to endorse my tampering with the Sidhis by acknowledging my enlightenment. The questions were designed to extort from Maharishi a response which would have meant the destruction of the purity of The Teaching. By his perfunctory answers (to speak euphemistically) he gave expression to his extreme unhappiness that I by my sincere but quixotic actions had created in him. The tape of his responsesplayed in court by Bevan Morriswas strangely and inexplicably unsatisfactory. Nevertheless, the questionsall about my putative enlightenment and my right to amend the sidhiswere answered (if one can count audible short grunts as answers) in the negative. But Maharishi himself appeared to be intensely ambivalent about the whole thing. Which is why, accordingly, he instructed (I just heard about this recently), Bevan to "leave Robin alone". That Maharishi guy, he was really something.The only real romance of my life. THere is a book in which the lawyers involved in this dispute are quoted extensively. It's called Sacred Schisms, and I believe it can be downloadedbut I'm not sure about this. I wish your friend well; if I may be permitted to say it, I think him infinitely better off returning to Christianity than remaining at MIU. For I think Christianity (Roman Catholicism) ONCE was the Truth. It's just that God has withdrawn himself from his Church. Which is why and how the Eastern gods invaded the West with impunity. They couldn't do this on such a massive scale before. But I have gone beyond what you have asked me. >
