RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:fairfieldl...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kirk Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:41 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit' Home run, Kirk. Next time you're feeling down on yourself, remember that you're not only a master chef, but you're a great writer. Typical immature narcissism spewing forth as rage and inability to consider other's views or feelings. I suggest early negative relationships from both parents and siblings. None of which have ever been worked through so that they are repeated here with all others. Meditation can be used as a mask for ones feelings while at the same time it makes those feelings even more appparent. TM alone though cannot work out our maladaptive tendencies without further psycho/physical discovery. It's too bad that TM doesn't consider any other type of system as being beneficial. Maharishi is much to blame for this as he thought all therapy outside of his tradition like 'shooting in the dark." Ironic then that steady TMers often come across as loose cannons, shooting through fog. I feel pity for Nab, but IMO that doesn't let him off the hook for being a messy mind. He obviously needs help. I believe that most people here can easily ascertain that. Many here need help. Without naming names, a few here are patently OCD. The day in which we decide to proactively seek a method for bettering ourselves is the day we could be said to be following the path of Dharma. Until then we are merely footballs getting kicked around by happenstance. TM alone is not a cure for samskara. Because we still live in karma. We need to learn every method to develop. Openness to ourselves and inner honesty is a sign of maturity. But narcissism may betray us by giving us a sense of rightness about our negative conditioning. Moreover, a person needs to learn to not act from negativity but from compassion. A system which just applies to the retreat setting will not necessarily carry over into activity. The way to figure out our intention is to question from where the motive for any action stems. Simply put, does the action stem from warmth or coldness? >From pain or pleasure? From seeking to benefit others, or from inner rage at them. Of course we get all twisted by our own minds until we cannot even read our own feelings any longer. A habitual liar will not any longer be able to tell the truth, to others, nor to themselves. Therefore what is really needed is the sense of questing for unadulterated truth. If a seeker doesn't have that thirst for truth then they cannot ever find it in anything. And they certainly will not come across as being serious about their quest. Most likely they will be led astray by any person of charisma. - Original Message - From: "curtisdeltablues" mailto:curtisdeltablues%40yahoo.com> > To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit' > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , nablusoss1008 wrote: >> Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta >> constitution which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows >> devoid of even the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise >> :-) > > I can understand why you want to believe this, as if it gets you off the > hook for your behavior here. But I believe the reality is much simpler. > You just don't come across as a thoughtful person. In my life I have never > found that arrogance, like the kind you display here, is hiding anything > interesting. > >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "Nelson" wrote: >> > >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , nablusoss1008 wrote: >> > > >> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com <mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> , "curtisdeltablues" >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. >> > > > > To take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence >> > > > > today. >> > > >> > > >> > > Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your >> > > limited understanding of just about anything. >> > > >> > > There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an >> > > insult. >> > > >> > On miracles and such, is it safe
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote: > > Of course no one has a 100% one dosha constitution. If you were 100% > pitta you would just be a flame and would have burned out by now. > You're vakriti is more likely very vata and bouncing off the ceiling not > the foam on the floor. ;-) Everyone has all the doshas, but a few people have one that is so dominant the others are difficult to find. But you are right, offcourse they are there.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > It's not rare on FFL, quite the contrary. > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution > which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the > most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) Of course no one has a 100% one dosha constitution. If you were 100% pitta you would just be a flame and would have burned out by now. You're vakriti is more likely very vata and bouncing off the ceiling not the foam on the floor. ;-)
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Kirk, Today, you're so money. This is the Kirk I love. You can write as good as you can cook. Edg --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, enlightened_dawn11 wrote: > > if this is you sober... > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" wrote: > > > > Nowblowus a dit: > > > > > It's not rare on FFL, quite the contrary. > > > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta > > > constitution > > > which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even > > > the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) > > > > And yet your writing is very common, hypocritical, and generally devoid of > > intelligence. Seems you are angry at yourself for producing the lackluster > > and common dialectic that you yourself despise. Then you reify it as coming > > from others. How could it be otherwise? Since you often are not even on > > the > > same page with other contributors here. I suggest that you're borderline > > psychopathic - not pitta. To be pitta you must have some constitution to > > begin with, whereas in your case character and constitution seem utterly > > disintegrated to begin with. > > >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > It's the *same* phenomenon IMO that we see in > Judy and in others here. EVERY DAY Judy becomes > more like Nabby and Willytex. They lash out at > other people here, in between posting things > designed to show how much smarter and "in the > know" than they are than we "commoners," but > the thing that "comes through" the strongest > to me is the fear of dealing with the possibility > that they are mere suckers who been taken to the > cleaners. > > Judy has NEVER dealt with that possibility, or > even entertained it. Neither have Nabby or Off > or other of the TBs here. Whereas most of the > rest of us here have. And they hate us for that. Barry's hallucinating big-time now, hallucinating what people do here, hallucinating that he can read our minds, hallucinating that he knows what we've thought about or not thought about over decades. [Kirk wrote:] > > Of course we get all twisted by our own minds until > > we cannot even read our own feelings any longer. A > > habitual liar will not any longer be able to tell the > > truth, to others, nor to themselves. Therefore what > > is really needed is the sense of questing for > > unadulterated truth. If a seeker doesn't have that > > thirst for truth then they cannot ever find it in > > anything. And they certainly will not come across as > > being serious about their quest. Well put. But if you don't think there is any such thing as truth, believing your own self-created reality is the only one that matters, you're not likely to thirst for an unadulterated truth that applies beyond your little personal bubble of existence. You may even begin to perceive any reality beyond your own as the contaminant. It's a pretty lonely way to live, spending so much effort protecting your private reality from the constant intrusions of the reality everybody else lives in.
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Kirk wrote: > I object as I find Willytex to have changed perhaps > the most of the early AMTers. Others seem to have > had no transformation. > More classics from the a.m.t. groove-yard: "Bullshit. You just spent the time to write a 27-paragraph post attempting to justify your filthy accusations against John, you self-righteous hypocrital bag of stinking wind." - Judy Stein, 2003 "The discussions have to be based on the assumption that we are discussing matters of *opinion*. No one is "right," no one is "wrong." - Barry Wright, 2003 "Little Dick Richard Williams is an important "enlightened" person, in his own mind - a vicious cruel human being in reality." - John Manning, 2003
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
I object as I find Willytex to have changed perhaps the most of the early AMTers. Others seem to have had no transformation. - Original Message - From: "TurquoiseB" To: Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 2:10 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit' > As fun as it may be to psychoanalyze, I think > you're both complicating things unnecessarily. > Nabby is a PRODUCT. Of Maharishi and in partic- > ular in his case, of Purusha. > > He spent his and probably other people's money > for decades so that he could be told how impor- > tant he is and how superior he is to others. > > And then one day the money ran out, and he found > out *exactly* how important he was to Maharishi, > and he was told to hit the road. > > The anger we see aimed at us is IMO really his > inability to deal with the possibility that he > wasted his life. > > It's the *same* phenomenon IMO that we see in > Judy and in others here. EVERY DAY Judy becomes > more like Nabby and Willytex. They lash out at > other people here, in between posting things > designed to show how much smarter and "in the > know" than they are than we "commoners," but > the thing that "comes through" the strongest > to me is the fear of dealing with the possibility > that they are mere suckers who been taken to the > cleaners. > > Judy has NEVER dealt with that possibility, or > even entertained it. Neither have Nabby or Off > or other of the TBs here. Whereas most of the > rest of us here have. And they hate us for that. > > Until they deal with that possibility, we will > be the scapegoats and the targets of their rage. > And the ones who have dealt with that possibility > and have come to some sense of comfort with it > will be the biggest targets. I think it's as > simple as that. No need to go back any further > in life to make it more complicated... > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" wrote: >> >> Typical immature narcissism spewing forth as rage and >> inability to consider other's views or feelings. I suggest >> early negative relationships from both parents and siblings. >> None of which have ever been worked through so that >> they are repeated here with all others. >> >> Meditation can be used as a mask for ones feelings while >> at the same time it makes those feelings even more appparent. >> >> TM alone though cannot work out our maladaptive tendencies >> without further psycho/physical discovery. It's too bad that >> TM doesn't consider any other type of system as being beneficial. >> Maharishi is much to blame for this as he thought all therapy >> outside of his tradition like 'shooting in the dark." >> >> Ironic then that steady TMers often come across as loose cannons, >> shooting through fog. I feel pity for Nab, but IMO that doesn't >> let him off the hook for being a messy mind. He obviously needs >> help. I believe that most people here can easily ascertain that. >> >> Many here need help. Without naming names, a few here are patently >> OCD. >> >> The day in which we decide to proactively seek a method for >> bettering ourselves is the day we could be said to be following >> the path of Dharma. Until then we are merely footballs getting >> kicked around by happenstance. >> >> TM alone is not a cure for samskara. Because we still live in >> karma. We need to learn every method to develop. Openness to >> ourselves and inner honesty is a sign of maturity. But narcissism >> may betray us by giving us a sense of rightness about our negative >> conditioning. >> >> Moreover, a person needs to learn to not act from negativity but >> from compassion. A system which just applies to the retreat setting >> will not necessarily carry over into activity. >> >> The way to figure out our intention is to question from where the >> motive for any action stems. Simply put, does the action stem from >> warmth or coldness? From pain or pleasure? From seeking to benefit >> others, or from inner rage at them. >> >> Of course we get all twisted by our own minds until we cannot even >> read our own feelings any longer. A habitual liar will not any >> longer be able to tell the truth, to others, nor to themselves. >> Therefore what is really needed is the sense of questing for >> unadulterated truth. If a seeker doesn't have that thirst for >> truth then they cannot ever find it in anything. And they >> certainly will not come across as being serious about their quest. >> >&
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As fun as it may be to psychoanalyze, I think you're both complicating things unnecessarily. Nabby is a PRODUCT. Of Maharishi and in partic- ular in his case, of Purusha. He spent his and probably other people's money for decades so that he could be told how impor- tant he is and how superior he is to others. And then one day the money ran out, and he found out *exactly* how important he was to Maharishi, and he was told to hit the road. The anger we see aimed at us is IMO really his inability to deal with the possibility that he wasted his life. It's the *same* phenomenon IMO that we see in Judy and in others here. EVERY DAY Judy becomes more like Nabby and Willytex. They lash out at other people here, in between posting things designed to show how much smarter and "in the know" than they are than we "commoners," but the thing that "comes through" the strongest to me is the fear of dealing with the possibility that they are mere suckers who been taken to the cleaners. Judy has NEVER dealt with that possibility, or even entertained it. Neither have Nabby or Off or other of the TBs here. Whereas most of the rest of us here have. And they hate us for that. Until they deal with that possibility, we will be the scapegoats and the targets of their rage. And the ones who have dealt with that possibility and have come to some sense of comfort with it will be the biggest targets. I think it's as simple as that. No need to go back any further in life to make it more complicated... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" wrote: > > Typical immature narcissism spewing forth as rage and > inability to consider other's views or feelings. I suggest > early negative relationships from both parents and siblings. > None of which have ever been worked through so that > they are repeated here with all others. > > Meditation can be used as a mask for ones feelings while > at the same time it makes those feelings even more appparent. > > TM alone though cannot work out our maladaptive tendencies > without further psycho/physical discovery. It's too bad that > TM doesn't consider any other type of system as being beneficial. > Maharishi is much to blame for this as he thought all therapy > outside of his tradition like 'shooting in the dark." > > Ironic then that steady TMers often come across as loose cannons, > shooting through fog. I feel pity for Nab, but IMO that doesn't > let him off the hook for being a messy mind. He obviously needs > help. I believe that most people here can easily ascertain that. > > Many here need help. Without naming names, a few here are patently > OCD. > > The day in which we decide to proactively seek a method for > bettering ourselves is the day we could be said to be following > the path of Dharma. Until then we are merely footballs getting > kicked around by happenstance. > > TM alone is not a cure for samskara. Because we still live in > karma. We need to learn every method to develop. Openness to > ourselves and inner honesty is a sign of maturity. But narcissism > may betray us by giving us a sense of rightness about our negative > conditioning. > > Moreover, a person needs to learn to not act from negativity but > from compassion. A system which just applies to the retreat setting > will not necessarily carry over into activity. > > The way to figure out our intention is to question from where the > motive for any action stems. Simply put, does the action stem from > warmth or coldness? From pain or pleasure? From seeking to benefit > others, or from inner rage at them. > > Of course we get all twisted by our own minds until we cannot even > read our own feelings any longer. A habitual liar will not any > longer be able to tell the truth, to others, nor to themselves. > Therefore what is really needed is the sense of questing for > unadulterated truth. If a seeker doesn't have that thirst for > truth then they cannot ever find it in anything. And they > certainly will not come across as being serious about their quest. > > Most likely they will be led astray by any person of charisma. > > - Original Message - > From: "curtisdeltablues" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:15 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit' > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > >> Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta > >> constitution which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites > >> and fellows devoid of even the most basic intelligence. But > >> mellowness is on the rise > >> :-) > > > >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > I can understand why you want to believe this, as if it gets you off the hook > for your behavior here. But I believe the reality is much simpler. You just > don't come across as a thoughtful person. In my life I have never found that > arrogance, like the kind you display here, is hiding anything interesting. Contrary to you I don't find vata/pitta/kapha very interesting. It's just facts of life. But i suppose they also fall in the cathegory of thing "our intelligence", as defind by you, do not accept.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "geezerfreak" wrote: > Do tell Nabby. What are you going to do to get himsome kind of yagya? Not a thing. He is more than able to create his own future.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert wrote: > > I don't see any attempt to distinguish Saint Teresa of Avilla internal > experiences from descriptions of people with mental illness or even the most > mild form of skepticism about these reports that we all apply to the daily > news concerning events that just happened reported by eye witnesses. > > At best we have a beautiful metaphor for the internal experience she was > having that some people seem to value. (Her descriptions seem horrific to me > and indicate a need for professional intervention IMO.) At worst we have a > PT Barnum attempt to promote belief in an event with no controls that defy > our common sense. The epistemological basis is "the self-proclaimed witness > asserted it." > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. To take > them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today. Like the magic > carpet in the fables of the Mid East, I can accept these tales as inspiring > metaphors for our human spirit (however you want to define that.) But rugs > and people don't fly, and asserting that they literally do grounds humanity > to our most ignorant past rather than inspire us to raise our knowledge level > with all the tools we have discovered. We can do better than to accept a > preposterous claim because someone a long time claimed it in the self-serving > context of their favorite "Saint." > (snip) Perhaps she suffered from 'Alice in Wonderland' syndrome... Alice in Wonderland syndrome Description: A psychopathological syndrome of distorted space, time and body image. The patient has a feeling that the entire body or parts of it have been altered in shape and size (metamorphosis), associated with visual hallucinations. Psychoanalytic interpretation by Todd has made more understandable and plausible the illusionary dreams, feeling of levitation, and alteration in the sense of passage of time that Alice experienced. Alice trod the paths and byways of a wonderland well known to Carroll, her creator, who suffered severely from migraine. The majority of patients have personal or family history of migraine. In Lippman's report, one of the patients stated that she felt short and wide as she walked, calling this a "tweedlike dum" or "tweedle dee" feeling. Associated disorders may include apraxia, agnosia, language disorders, feelings of déjà vu or jamais vu, dreamlike or trancelike states, and delirium. The disorder was first described in 1955 by the English psychiatrist John Todd (1914-1987), who named it for Lewis Carroll's Alice's Adventures in Wonderland. The Cheshire Cat syndrome is another medical eponym taken from Alice in Wonderland. It was first described by the British physician Eric George Lapthorne Bywaters (born 1910) in 1968. http://www.whonamedit.com/synd.cfm/1779.html
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Funny, in the background here at home my son is playing John Lennon's "Imagine" on his little electric keyboard. Imagine, really, Nabby becoming more tolerant. I typically don't read his posts because I sort of know what to expect. And the couple I did read recently seemed pretty insulting. I would like to believe Nabby is becoming more tolerant. But I don't see much evidence of it. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution > > which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even > > the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) > > I can understand why you want to believe this, as if it gets you off the hook > for your behavior here. But I believe the reality is much simpler. You just > don't come across as a thoughtful person. In my life I have never found that > arrogance, like the kind you display here, is hiding anything interesting. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. > > > > > > To take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence > > > > > > today. > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your > > > > limited understanding of just about anything. > > > > > > > > There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an insult. > > > > > > > On miracles and such, is it safe to say anything can't be so because > > > it is not in our experience or belief? > > > > Quite, that seems to be the case. Or not even within the range of the > > deranged intuition of the particular individual. > > > > > > > On insults and such, I would think that long time seekers would have a > > > level of equanimity and mellowness that would make this quite rare. > > > > It's not rare on FFL, quite the contrary. > > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution > > which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even > > the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) > > >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" wrote: This post is what I mean by the term "thoughtful." Nice one Kirk. > > Typical immature narcissism spewing forth as rage and inability to consider > other's views or feelings. I suggest early negative relationships from both > parents and siblings. None of which have ever been worked through so that > they are repeated here with all others. > > Meditation can be used as a mask for ones feelings while at the same time it > makes those feelings even more appparent. > > TM alone though cannot work out our maladaptive tendencies without further > psycho/physical discovery. It's too bad that TM doesn't consider any other > type of system as being beneficial. Maharishi is much to blame for this as > he thought all therapy outside of his tradition like 'shooting in the dark." > > Ironic then that steady TMers often come across as loose cannons, shooting > through fog. I feel pity for Nab, but IMO that doesn't let him off the hook > for being a messy mind. He obviously needs help. I believe that most people > here can easily ascertain that. > > Many here need help. Without naming names, a few here are patently OCD. > > The day in which we decide to proactively seek a method for bettering > ourselves is the day we could be said to be following the path of Dharma. > Until then we are merely footballs getting kicked around by happenstance. > > TM alone is not a cure for samskara. Because we still live in karma. We need > to learn every method to develop. Openness to ourselves and inner honesty is > a sign of maturity. But narcissism may betray us by giving us a sense of > rightness about our negative conditioning. > > Moreover, a person needs to learn to not act from negativity but from > compassion. A system which just applies to the retreat setting will not > necessarily carry over into activity. > > The way to figure out our intention is to question from where the motive for > any action stems. Simply put, does the action stem from warmth or coldness? > From pain or pleasure? From seeking to benefit others, or from inner rage at > them. > > Of course we get all twisted by our own minds until we cannot even read our > own feelings any longer. A habitual liar will not any longer be able to tell > the truth, to others, nor to themselves. Therefore what is really needed is > the sense of questing for unadulterated truth. If a seeker doesn't have > that thirst for truth then they cannot ever find it in anything. And they > certainly will not come across as being serious about their quest. > > Most likely they will be led astray by any person of charisma. > > - Original Message - > From: "curtisdeltablues" > To: > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:15 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit' > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > >> Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta > >> constitution which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows > >> devoid of even the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise > >> :-) > > > > I can understand why you want to believe this, as if it gets you off the > > hook for your behavior here. But I believe the reality is much simpler. > > You just don't come across as a thoughtful person. In my life I have never > > found that arrogance, like the kind you display here, is hiding anything > > interesting. > > > >> > >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" wrote: > >> > > >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > >> > > > >> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > >> > > wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. > >> > > > > To take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence > >> > > > > today. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your > >> > > limited understanding of just about anything. > >> > > > >> > > There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an > >> > > insult. > >> > > > >> > On miracles and such, is it safe to say anything can't be so because > >> > it is not in ou
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
Typical immature narcissism spewing forth as rage and inability to consider other's views or feelings. I suggest early negative relationships from both parents and siblings. None of which have ever been worked through so that they are repeated here with all others. Meditation can be used as a mask for ones feelings while at the same time it makes those feelings even more appparent. TM alone though cannot work out our maladaptive tendencies without further psycho/physical discovery. It's too bad that TM doesn't consider any other type of system as being beneficial. Maharishi is much to blame for this as he thought all therapy outside of his tradition like 'shooting in the dark." Ironic then that steady TMers often come across as loose cannons, shooting through fog. I feel pity for Nab, but IMO that doesn't let him off the hook for being a messy mind. He obviously needs help. I believe that most people here can easily ascertain that. Many here need help. Without naming names, a few here are patently OCD. The day in which we decide to proactively seek a method for bettering ourselves is the day we could be said to be following the path of Dharma. Until then we are merely footballs getting kicked around by happenstance. TM alone is not a cure for samskara. Because we still live in karma. We need to learn every method to develop. Openness to ourselves and inner honesty is a sign of maturity. But narcissism may betray us by giving us a sense of rightness about our negative conditioning. Moreover, a person needs to learn to not act from negativity but from compassion. A system which just applies to the retreat setting will not necessarily carry over into activity. The way to figure out our intention is to question from where the motive for any action stems. Simply put, does the action stem from warmth or coldness? >From pain or pleasure? From seeking to benefit others, or from inner rage at them. Of course we get all twisted by our own minds until we cannot even read our own feelings any longer. A habitual liar will not any longer be able to tell the truth, to others, nor to themselves. Therefore what is really needed is the sense of questing for unadulterated truth. If a seeker doesn't have that thirst for truth then they cannot ever find it in anything. And they certainly will not come across as being serious about their quest. Most likely they will be led astray by any person of charisma. - Original Message - From: "curtisdeltablues" To: Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 9:15 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit' > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: >> Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta >> constitution which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows >> devoid of even the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise >> :-) > > I can understand why you want to believe this, as if it gets you off the > hook for your behavior here. But I believe the reality is much simpler. > You just don't come across as a thoughtful person. In my life I have never > found that arrogance, like the kind you display here, is hiding anything > interesting. > >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" wrote: >> > >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: >> > > >> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" >> > > wrote: >> > > >> > > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. >> > > > > To take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence >> > > > > today. >> > > >> > > >> > > Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your >> > > limited understanding of just about anything. >> > > >> > > There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an >> > > insult. >> > > >> > On miracles and such, is it safe to say anything can't be so because >> > it is not in our experience or belief? >> >> Quite, that seems to be the case. Or not even within the range of the >> deranged intuition of the particular individual. >> >> >> > On insults and such, I would think that long time seekers would have >> > a level of equanimity and mellowness that would make this quite rare. >> >> It's not rare on FFL, quite the contrary. >> Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta >> constitution which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows >> devoid of even the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise >> :-) >> > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution > which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the > most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) I can understand why you want to believe this, as if it gets you off the hook for your behavior here. But I believe the reality is much simpler. You just don't come across as a thoughtful person. In my life I have never found that arrogance, like the kind you display here, is hiding anything interesting. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. To > > > > > take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today. > > > > > > > > > Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your > > > limited understanding of just about anything. > > > > > > There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an insult. > > > > > On miracles and such, is it safe to say anything can't be so because it > > is not in our experience or belief? > > Quite, that seems to be the case. Or not even within the range of the > deranged intuition of the particular individual. > > > > On insults and such, I would think that long time seekers would have a > > level of equanimity and mellowness that would make this quite rare. > > It's not rare on FFL, quite the contrary. > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution > which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the > most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% > > > > > > Pitta constitution which simply can't stand commoners, > > > > > > hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the most basic > > > > > > intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) > > > > > > > > > > What do you mean by "commoner?" > > > > > > > > Fools. Those that buy into coventional wisdom. Those that > > > > follow the mainstream and that only understand they have > > > > been fooled when it is too late. > > > > > > In other words, Nabby on his deathbed, > > > still waiting for "heaven on earth" > > > and Maitreya. > > > > In other words, the Turq; jobless, living in a shelter far away from home, > > finally realizing his descision to leave the TMO and joining Rama and > > various "Buddhists" cults was a mistake. > > > > The fool of fools really. > > > Some time ago this charachter, the Turq, challenged me to tell him what would > be the attached karma of a Turkey who plays the role of a Missionary. > > I'm happy to let him know now; within three years he will not even be able to > feed his dogs. > Do tell Nabby. What are you going to do to get himsome kind of yagya? Damn, so many of us want to be more like you!
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% > > > > > Pitta constitution which simply can't stand commoners, > > > > > hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the most basic > > > > > intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) > > > > > > > > What do you mean by "commoner?" > > > > > > Fools. Those that buy into coventional wisdom. Those that > > > follow the mainstream and that only understand they have > > > been fooled when it is too late. > > > > In other words, Nabby on his deathbed, > > still waiting for "heaven on earth" > > and Maitreya. > > In other words, the Turq; jobless, living in a shelter far away from home, > finally realizing his descision to leave the TMO and joining Rama and various > "Buddhists" cults was a mistake. > > The fool of fools really. Ahhh, Nabby, the TMO's great defender. Nabby, I read your posts, like the one above where you've decided that Barry is homeless and living in a shelter, and think "man, I want to be more like that guy!".
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You win! You have reserved a spot in my trashbin. Bye Bye Nab. - Original Message - From: "nablusoss1008" To: Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 4:50 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit' > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: >> > >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: >> > > >> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity >> > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 >> > > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% >> > > > > Pitta constitution which simply can't stand commoners, >> > > > > hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the most basic >> > > > > intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) >> > > > >> > > > What do you mean by "commoner?" >> > > >> > > Fools. Those that buy into coventional wisdom. Those that >> > > follow the mainstream and that only understand they have >> > > been fooled when it is too late. >> > >> > In other words, Nabby on his deathbed, >> > still waiting for "heaven on earth" >> > and Maitreya. >> >> In other words, the Turq; jobless, living in a shelter far away from >> home, finally realizing his descision to leave the TMO and joining Rama >> and various "Buddhists" cults was a mistake. >> >> The fool of fools really. > > > Some time ago this charachter, the Turq, challenged me to tell him what > would be the attached karma of a Turkey who plays the role of a > Missionary. > > I'm happy to let him know now; within three years he will not even be able > to feed his dogs. > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > Or go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > and click 'Join This Group!'Yahoo! Groups Links > > > >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > > > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% > > > > > Pitta constitution which simply can't stand commoners, > > > > > hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the most basic > > > > > intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) > > > > > > > > What do you mean by "commoner?" > > > > > > Fools. Those that buy into coventional wisdom. Those that > > > follow the mainstream and that only understand they have > > > been fooled when it is too late. > > > > In other words, Nabby on his deathbed, > > still waiting for "heaven on earth" > > and Maitreya. > > In other words, the Turq; jobless, living in a shelter far away from home, > finally realizing his descision to leave the TMO and joining Rama and various > "Buddhists" cults was a mistake. > > The fool of fools really. Some time ago this charachter, the Turq, challenged me to tell him what would be the attached karma of a Turkey who plays the role of a Missionary. I'm happy to let him know now; within three years he will not even be able to feed his dogs.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% > > > > Pitta constitution which simply can't stand commoners, > > > > hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the most basic > > > > intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) > > > > > > What do you mean by "commoner?" > > > > Fools. Those that buy into coventional wisdom. Those that > > follow the mainstream and that only understand they have > > been fooled when it is too late. > > In other words, Nabby on his deathbed, > still waiting for "heaven on earth" > and Maitreya. In other words, the Turq; jobless, living in a shelter far away from home, finally realizing his descision to leave the TMO and joining Rama and various "Buddhists" cults was a mistake. The fool of fools really.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% > > > Pitta constitution which simply can't stand commoners, > > > hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the most basic > > > intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) > > > > What do you mean by "commoner?" > > Fools. Those that buy into coventional wisdom. Those that > follow the mainstream and that only understand they have > been fooled when it is too late. In other words, Nabby on his deathbed, still waiting for "heaven on earth" and Maitreya.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, ruthsimplicity wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution > > which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even > > the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) > > > > > > What do you mean by "commoner?" Fools. Those that buy into coventional wisdom. Those that follow the mainstream and that only understand they have been fooled when it is too late.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" wrote: > > Nowblowus a dit: Don't worry Kirk. All will be well. No go and take your medication.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution > which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the > most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) > What do you mean by "commoner?"
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if this is you sober... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Kirk" wrote: > > Nowblowus a dit: > > > It's not rare on FFL, quite the contrary. > > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution > > which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even > > the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) > > And yet your writing is very common, hypocritical, and generally devoid of > intelligence. Seems you are angry at yourself for producing the lackluster > and common dialectic that you yourself despise. Then you reify it as coming > from others. How could it be otherwise? Since you often are not even on the > same page with other contributors here. I suggest that you're borderline > psychopathic - not pitta. To be pitta you must have some constitution to > begin with, whereas in your case character and constitution seem utterly > disintegrated to begin with. >
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Nowblowus a dit: > It's not rare on FFL, quite the contrary. > Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution > which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even > the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-) And yet your writing is very common, hypocritical, and generally devoid of intelligence. Seems you are angry at yourself for producing the lackluster and common dialectic that you yourself despise. Then you reify it as coming from others. How could it be otherwise? Since you often are not even on the same page with other contributors here. I suggest that you're borderline psychopathic - not pitta. To be pitta you must have some constitution to begin with, whereas in your case character and constitution seem utterly disintegrated to begin with.
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. To > > > > take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today. > > > > > > Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your > > limited understanding of just about anything. > > > > There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an insult. > > > On miracles and such, is it safe to say anything can't be so because it is > not in our experience or belief? Quite, that seems to be the case. Or not even within the range of the deranged intuition of the particular individual. > On insults and such, I would think that long time seekers would have a > level of equanimity and mellowness that would make this quite rare. It's not rare on FFL, quite the contrary. Regarding my own insults they are the result of my 100% Pitta constitution which simply can't stand commoners, hypocrites and fellows devoid of even the most basic intelligence. But mellowness is on the rise :-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Nelson" wrote: > > > On miracles and such, is it safe to say anything can't be so because it is > not in our experience or belief? This is really an important point. How can we balance staying open minded with not chasing fantasy, how do we decide? For me it is a matter of assigning probability and that is in turn determined by the reliability of the evidence. And the principle that extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof describes how we can grow in knowledge without getting too sidetracked with low probability claims. Our belief system should be subject to change for compelling reasons. We all find our own balance for how to apply this. No one accepts all beliefs as equally likely. The TB and the skeptic have both rejected a similar number of beliefs to arrive at the ones they do hold. They just do so for different reasons. > On insults and such, I would think that long time seekers would have a > level of equanimity and mellowness that would make this quite rare. This may be one of those claims that just doesn't seem to hold up to the evidence. In my experience it is rare to find a person who holds spiritual beliefs who can discuss them without taking a personal shot at the person being skeptical. But discussions here sometimes achieve that mutual respect and when it happens it is a beautiful thing~ >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: Yeah I figured you had nothing but personal insults to offer but I figured I'd give you a chance. As far as your denunciation of the common people's understanding of the unreliable nature of witnesses, you have just used the same kind of personal name calling rather than any intellectual points. So as far as I can make out what your point is, you somehow have a sense of personal superiority to other people and believe that this substitutes for epistemological clarity, making any reasoned argument unnecessary for you. You believe that by broadening your insulting remarks to include others who might also question a stated belief, you have contributed to the conversation here. Well at least you have demonstrated your limited approach to intellectual discussions very well. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. To > > > > > take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today. > > > > > > > > > Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your > > > limited understanding of just about anything. > > > > > > There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an > > insult. > > > > Your response doesn't surprise me. When I question an idea, you come back > > with a personal insult. It is your MO here. > > > > But perhaps you would like to share why you believe there is credible > > evidence that would make you believe such reports of miracles from long > > ago. You know, actually participate in the topic with some thinking, > > instead of taking the easy way out. > > > > And to address the content of your insult, it is common for most people to > > question eye witness reports even when they were experienced recently, > > because it is a fact that people make all sorts of mistakes for lots of > > reasons. By all means have a go at challenging this idea. > > > Your socalled "intelligence" is simply mindboggeling. > > You claim the numerous eyewitnesses "make all sorts of mistakes for lots of > reasons". > It is also your claim that "it is common for most people". Well you certainly > claim the Throne of the "common people", often called the Chair of Stupidity, > Ignorance and utter Fear of the Unknown. (CSIFU) > > Case closed, further comments unnecessary. You've made your "common" points > very clear indeed. >
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--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, grate.swan wrote: > > (And the air is so CLEAR now, I can actually see Nabs response, clear as day. > Its such a joy!) HaHa, grate Bird indeed ;-)
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
Ah, Heaven on Earth is Rising. The Brotherhood of Man unfolding. Universal Love triumphant. Maitraya lives fully in the heart of Nabs. Nabs words express His Fullness. Nabs is the reflection of all great things to come (and which are happening now!). The combination of TM and Maitraya bhakti are clearly THE path for most rapid evolution and the unfoldment of full human potential. (And the air is so CLEAR now, I can actually see Nabs response, clear as day. Its such a joy!) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. To > > > > > take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today. > > > > > > > > > Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your > > > limited understanding of just about anything. > > > > > > There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an > > insult. > > > > Your response doesn't surprise me. When I question an idea, you come back > > with a personal insult. It is your MO here. > > > > But perhaps you would like to share why you believe there is credible > > evidence that would make you believe such reports of miracles from long > > ago. You know, actually participate in the topic with some thinking, > > instead of taking the easy way out. > > > > And to address the content of your insult, it is common for most people to > > question eye witness reports even when they were experienced recently, > > because it is a fact that people make all sorts of mistakes for lots of > > reasons. By all means have a go at challenging this idea. > > > Your socalled "intelligence" is simply mindboggeling. > > You claim the numerous eyewitnesses "make all sorts of mistakes for lots of > reasons". > It is also your claim that "it is common for most people". Well you certainly > claim the Throne of the "common people", often called the Chair of Stupidity, > Ignorance and utter Fear of the Unknown. (CSIFU) > > Case closed, further comments unnecessary. You've made your "common" points > very clear indeed. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. To take > > > them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today. > > > Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your limited > understanding of just about anything. > > There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an insult. > On miracles and such, is it safe to say anything can't be so because it is not in our experience or belief? On insults and such, I would think that long time seekers would have a level of equanimity and mellowness that would make this quite rare.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. To > > > > take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today. > > > > > > Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your > > limited understanding of just about anything. > > > > There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an > insult. > > Your response doesn't surprise me. When I question an idea, you come back > with a personal insult. It is your MO here. > > But perhaps you would like to share why you believe there is credible > evidence that would make you believe such reports of miracles from long ago. > You know, actually participate in the topic with some thinking, instead of > taking the easy way out. > > And to address the content of your insult, it is common for most people to > question eye witness reports even when they were experienced recently, > because it is a fact that people make all sorts of mistakes for lots of > reasons. By all means have a go at challenging this idea. Your socalled "intelligence" is simply mindboggeling. You claim the numerous eyewitnesses "make all sorts of mistakes for lots of reasons". It is also your claim that "it is common for most people". Well you certainly claim the Throne of the "common people", often called the Chair of Stupidity, Ignorance and utter Fear of the Unknown. (CSIFU) Case closed, further comments unnecessary. You've made your "common" points very clear indeed.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
Dismissiveness IS indeed superior to insults. Thanks for pointing that out :) --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > > wrote: > > > > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. To > > > > take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today. > > > > > > Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your > > limited understanding of just about anything. > > > > There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an > insult. > > Your response doesn't surprise me. When I question an idea, you come back > with a personal insult. It is your MO here. > > But perhaps you would like to share why you believe there is credible > evidence that would make you believe such reports of miracles from long ago. > You know, actually participate in the topic with some thinking, instead of > taking the easy way out. > > And to address the content of your insult, it is common for most people to > question eye witness reports even when they were experienced recently, > because it is a fact that people make all sorts of mistakes for lots of > reasons. By all means have a go at challenging this idea. > > > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > wrote: > > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. To take > > > them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today. > > > Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your limited > understanding of just about anything. > > There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an insult. Your response doesn't surprise me. When I question an idea, you come back with a personal insult. It is your MO here. But perhaps you would like to share why you believe there is credible evidence that would make you believe such reports of miracles from long ago. You know, actually participate in the topic with some thinking, instead of taking the easy way out. And to address the content of your insult, it is common for most people to question eye witness reports even when they were experienced recently, because it is a fact that people make all sorts of mistakes for lots of reasons. By all means have a go at challenging this idea. >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. To take > > them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today. Oh, please Curtis. Do not use "our" and "intelligence" based on your limited understanding of just about anything. There is no "our intelligence" based on your "level"; that's an insult.
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" wrote: Apologies to Robert for my incorrect clipping that made it look like he wrote my drivel! Sorry Robert! > The following DOES NOT reflect the views of Robert, and I am wholly, but obviously NOT holy, responsible for them. > I don't see any attempt to distinguish Saint Teresa of Avilla internal > experiences from descriptions of people with mental illness or even the most > mild form of skepticism about these reports that we all apply to the daily > news concerning events that just happened reported by eye witnesses. > > At best we have a beautiful metaphor for the internal experience she was > having that some people seem to value. (Her descriptions seem horrific to me > and indicate a need for professional intervention IMO.) At worst we have a > PT Barnum attempt to promote belief in an event with no controls that defy > our common sense. The epistemological basis is "the self-proclaimed witness > asserted it." > > > The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. To take > them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today. Like the magic > carpet in the fables of the Mid East, I can accept these tales as inspiring > metaphors for our human spirit (however you want to define that.) But rugs > and people don't fly, and asserting that they literally do grounds humanity > to our most ignorant past rather than inspire us to raise our knowledge level > with all the tools we have discovered. We can do better than to accept a > preposterous claim because someone a long time claimed it in the self-serving > context of their favorite "Saint." > > > > > > Levitation is the ability to identify completely with Spirit... > > This must have been the experience of Saint Teresa of Avilla for example. > >  > > One translation of Pantajali's is: > >  > > 'By concentrating on the relation of the body to the all-pervading Ether, > > and, thinking of small and light objects such as the fibres of cotton-wool, > > the yogi is able to travel through space'. > > This sounds 'Scientific enough; as the Sanskrit writers were very precise, > > in their way... > >  > > I am thinking that the same vibrational essence of levitation, as > > spontaneously produced by Teresa of Avilla, through her own descriptions of > > the experience... > > Could  be the onenes of the manifestation of:  'Lightness of Spirit'. > > I am sure any levitation demonstration, would be profound, as it was in > > Saint Teresa's day... > >  > > This is one of the ways, we can think of this concept of transforming Homo > > Sapien to Homo Spiritus. > >  > > From a concept called 'Homo Sapien to Homo Spiritus'... > >  > > From 'Veronica in Sonoma: > >  > > Eloheim has taught for some time that we are moving from homo sapiens to > > homo spiritus. They have also taught that âyou canât have change > > without change.âEloheim has taught for some time that we are moving from > > homo sapiens to homo spiritus. They have also taught that âyou canât > > have change without change.â > >  > > http://eloheim.info/wordpress/ > > >
[FairfieldLife] Re: 'Lightness of Spirit'
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Robert wrote: I don't see any attempt to distinguish Saint Teresa of Avilla internal experiences from descriptions of people with mental illness or even the most mild form of skepticism about these reports that we all apply to the daily news concerning events that just happened reported by eye witnesses. At best we have a beautiful metaphor for the internal experience she was having that some people seem to value. (Her descriptions seem horrific to me and indicate a need for professional intervention IMO.) At worst we have a PT Barnum attempt to promote belief in an event with no controls that defy our common sense. The epistemological basis is "the self-proclaimed witness asserted it." The stories about Saint Teresa of Avilla are just that, stories. To take them as literal facts is insulting to our intelligence today. Like the magic carpet in the fables of the Mid East, I can accept these tales as inspiring metaphors for our human spirit (however you want to define that.) But rugs and people don't fly, and asserting that they literally do grounds humanity to our most ignorant past rather than inspire us to raise our knowledge level with all the tools we have discovered. We can do better than to accept a preposterous claim because someone a long time claimed it in the self-serving context of their favorite "Saint." > > Levitation is the ability to identify completely with Spirit... > This must have been the experience of Saint Teresa of Avilla for example. >  > One translation of Pantajali's is: >  > 'By concentrating on the relation of the body to the all-pervading Ether, > and, thinking of small and light objects such as the fibres of cotton-wool, > the yogi is able to travel through space'. > This sounds 'Scientific enough; as the Sanskrit writers were very precise, in > their way... >  > I am thinking that the same vibrational essence of levitation, as > spontaneously produced by Teresa of Avilla, through her own descriptions of > the experience... > Could  be the onenes of the manifestation of:  'Lightness of Spirit'. > I am sure any levitation demonstration, would be profound, as it was in Saint > Teresa's day... >  > This is one of the ways, we can think of this concept of transforming Homo > Sapien to Homo Spiritus. >  > From a concept called 'Homo Sapien to Homo Spiritus'... >  > From 'Veronica in Sonoma: >  > Eloheim has taught for some time that we are moving from homo sapiens to homo > spiritus. They have also taught that âyou canât have change without > change.âEloheim has taught for some time that we are moving from homo > sapiens to homo spiritus. They have also taught that âyou canât have > change without change.â >  > http://eloheim.info/wordpress/ >
