Re: [FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
Hi e-Bill: On Jun 16, 2007, at 11:08 PM, emptybill wrote: Vaj, Namaste, you rascal. After your post about sourcing errors, I finally realized how you play your role here in the forum. I know my profound insight is true `cause the symptoms of my of my realization are on G-Spot's kundalini list. Vaj, you are indeed a contrarian dissenting from the party line but you are also a bomb thrower – a type of Buddhist Newt Gingrich in this FFL congress of democrats. I may find you amusing, but some of the others find you highly exaggerated. If I exaggerate I do it for a reason (i.e. comedic value), but not to divert from an underlying point. I've been accused of being a traditionalist which I can understand, but I guess it would depend on which party line you're referring to if I am a dissenter. Who's the one dropping bombs here? Vajra Naught: I'm not getting that at all e-Bill. My take on where Swami G is coming from is that she's followed the practices of the tradition to their completion. Empty: The fact that G was invested as a Swami says nothing about what she practiced. It says even less about some kind of completion finalized as the result of following a particular path. Swami-hood is a title of renunciation and that is all. It is like someone becoming a Buddhist monk. It doesn't tell you anything about what practices they shall do, actually now do, or will do. Other than that, swami-hood is a way to garner some respect in India and now even in American too. What's she's accomplished has little to do with her title but what she claims to have accomplished, which is realization via a tantric path. This has been a common approach in the Shankaracharya tradition since the beginning. It works, therefore it's a tradition that's still followed. Consider the title of Lama. Lama doesn't mean someone is a Khempo or Geshe, (much less a twenty-year cave dwelling yogin or a tulku either). However at least we would expect a Lama to have the customary three year and three month retreat. How else would they seize the clear appearance of a Yidam and become identified with it enough to enact the four karmas on behalf of self and others. Exactly. And in her tradition she has done her equivalent training, from what's been said. Different traditions have their own training. In contrast, swami-hood does not include any specific practices like kyerim/dzogrim from common transmission lineages that anyone would recognize or know. Swami-s might engage in any or all kinds of path practices. So if she had a tantric guru then those Tantric rites should be her practices. Investiture is completely different, it's just formalized sannyasa. Again, you're getting tied up in the title. The title, in the context we're talking of here simply means she had experiential access to a broader swath of her tradition. That's the point. That is not to say that sannyasi-hood grants some magical realization, although celibacy is said to be helpful in a kundalini based path for obvious reasons. Vajra Naught: Some of her students are ex-TMers who claim to come from her tradition. There are problems with some people having very negative reactions to TM/TMSP (from suicide to kundalini disorders) and so she's trying to help from the POV of someone who's tread the path to it's logical conclusion: realization. Empty: If that were the whole story then I'd be for it too. However her specific claims are many: She is a swami, MMY is only a Brahmachari secretary who wouldn't take sannyasa. Again, the point in this case, is that she simply had fuller access to the teaching--and then allegedly realized those teachings--and so therefore has something complete to teach. Empty: This is her investiture claim. Monastics don't think this way. They look to see the types and qualities of practice that someone does. Yes, I agree. Even better if they realize the goal of those practices so they can teach others based on their own direct experience. MMY gives out mere bija mantras – just a part of real mantras. Empty: Come on Vaj, not even you could believe this one. So you would have distain for A-khrid because it is not polysyllabic enough and is too simple? Not the point really. The point was more about full tradition vs. selling a piece. She possesses the secret signs and language of her akhaad to distinguish real sadhu-s from fake. She's the real thing. Empty: Secret signs and speech mean nothing about someone's spiritual status. Trappist monks observe silence in their daily routines. However their monasteries are well known for having the fastest gossip network of any Cistercian order. Silence of the mouth actually assists the disgorging of the mind. Swami G-spot's so- called secrets are fluff for naïve and innocent westerners. Not according to what her students say. I am
Re: [FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
On Jun 14, 2007, at 10:58 PM, new.morning wrote: Anyone could make the claim, but ones who had their progress verified and their realization authenticated by their master could truly make the claim. If you ever get the chance to read the spiritual biography _Baba: Autobiography of a Blue-Eyed Yogi_ by Rampuri you might find it interesting to hear what realizations these ganja smoking yogis do have. It's a fun and insightful read. My thought was not to dis charas smoking sadhus -- more power to them -- and Shiva is the lord of charas (as uncomforatble as that be to western devotees.) But my thought was, rather, stemming from my observation, and impression, that there are a lot of swamis out there (western and Indian) that are not deeply infused with experience and engrained in scripture. Nor intellectual giants. Nor deep in experience. That was the refreshing thing about _Baba_, the yogis of his akhara were more tapped into the source of these books/texts. Rote learning had little meaning. In others words they'd orally be given the text and it would just unfold inside them and become a part of them. He gives the example of the Maheshvara-sutra which is really just this sequence of the Sanskrit alphabet which is said to emerge from Shiva's damaru (double-sided trance drum). It becomes internalized and he sees creation as the unfoldment of this code (the text). He becomes the text. I know in my own case when I really, in my heart, wanted to know a teaching and it's text, one of the dakinis/shaktis from my gurus mandala would energetically unfold it inside of me. Search your mind as you would, you could not even find the question in your being after she has encoded it inside your primordial nature. All doubts or questions were simply gone. In reality it was always already a part of you, from the beginning, primordially. It just needed nudged awake like a homeopathic medicine nudging awake some asleep part of your immune system. Thus, Swami g's, seeming reliance on swamihood as being THE criteria for being an effective teacher, seem odd. I wasn't getting that. It was just a systematic and tried and true method for creating sat gurus in their tradition. It's advantage is that it's verifiable. Maybe Kapleau Roshi had a good point when he said Masters of old lashed out at those who claimed enlightenment yet refused to be tested, calling them earthworms living in the slime of self-validated satori. There are a lot of slimy earthworms out there ready to teach and lead you. And what is a guru? vs. a teacher. Can someone be a legitimate hatha yoga teacher and not be a Guru / swami / ordained by his/her Guru to be a Guru? The same for a meditation teacher? Well a guru by it's simplest definition is someone who can lead from out of darkness (gu) to the light of realization (ru). It can be trained in, as in these various akharas and lines or as in the traditional training's for lamas, and is verifiable by knowing the stages on your own. Of course someone CAN have that experience outside of any tradition but that's not only rare, it also has it's own dangers (particularly deception).
Re: [FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
On Jun 15, 2007, at 6:01 PM, qntmpkt wrote: ---G's symptoms of being on the path: Blue Light Seeing of Auras Heat up the Spine (can be extreme) Cold feeling flooding a chakra area Feeling the Nervous System is short-circuiting (can be extreme) Pulsing Energy at the Base of the Spine (can be painful) Red Flame Pattern over Heart Chakra Area Sounds internally heard: 1. Birds 2. like a train sound 3. Bells 3. A hissing or whistling sound 4. Someone quickly saying something in your ear (like Ha) Extreme Sensitivity to Sound, Vibration Etc... Siddhis such as complete knowledge on energy work Feeling what is happening in someone else's body Picking up others emotions Normal photographs that pick-up light phenomenon and mists etc. Body awareness changes - feeling larger - feeling smaller Feeling as if you are here and not here An absolute absence of thought Bliss Extreme Fear (note :this one is temporary) Dreams of Snakes and Fires Dreams of - religious and spiritual symbology Samadhi states of Feeling Utterly connected with ALL - yet also witnessing and not involved... Finding the consciousness expanding to where you are not in the body.. (example seeing over the trees while you are at ground level) Mudras (hand gestures ) spontaneously happen Asanas (body postures) spontaneously happen Body may move with certain music - uncontrolled pulsing or swaying Feeling as if you are in a strong earthquake Ability to manifest what is needed - once again a siddhi but do not attach to these phenomena, let them go Seeing of internal lights (flashing lights in vision rotating light) Seeing the world in enhanced coloration Yawning - Laughing - Crying That's just cultural baggage quant, we should just ignore it. ;-) Nice list actually!
Re: [FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
Sounds like my normal day ;-) --- qntmpkt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ---G's symptoms of being on the path: Blue Light Seeing of Auras Heat up the Spine (can be extreme) Cold feeling flooding a chakra area Feeling the Nervous System is short-circuiting (can be extreme) Pulsing Energy at the Base of the Spine (can be painful) Red Flame Pattern over Heart Chakra Area Sounds internally heard: 1. Birds 2. like a train sound 3. Bells 3. A hissing or whistling sound 4. Someone quickly saying something in your ear (like Ha) Extreme Sensitivity to Sound, Vibration Etc... Siddhis such as complete knowledge on energy work Feeling what is happening in someone else's body Picking up others emotions Normal photographs that pick-up light phenomenon and mists etc. Body awareness changes - feeling larger - feeling smaller Feeling as if you are here and not here An absolute absence of thought Bliss Extreme Fear (note :this one is temporary) Dreams of Snakes and Fires Dreams of - religious and spiritual symbology Samadhi states of Feeling Utterly connected with ALL - yet also witnessing and not involved... Finding the consciousness expanding to where you are not in the body.. (example seeing over the trees while you are at ground level) Mudras (hand gestures ) spontaneously happen Asanas (body postures) spontaneously happen Body may move with certain music - uncontrolled pulsing or swaying Feeling as if you are in a strong earthquake Ability to manifest what is needed - once again a siddhi but do not attach to these phenomena, let them go Seeing of internal lights (flashing lights in vision rotating light) Seeing the world in enhanced coloration Yawning - Laughing - Crying In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Yesterday you claimed to have given up this list, presumably because too many here posessed enough knowledge to see through your rethoric... and now you continue ! Don't you see that it is laughable for a socalled Guru to denonce someone for having been a secretary or wearing white ? She takes all that hierarchical lineage and tradition stuff very seriously. And, as Dr. Pete pointed out, it's all just divisions of the mind. It's Indian cultural baggage, dusty codified duality, that for some people, apparently, is inextricably intertwined with awakening itself. You can get a taste of how very seriously she takes herself and the whole guru shtick from what she writes on her contact page: http://www.abide-in-self.com/contact-Swami-G..htm 1. Save the Hey there or the Hi for your buddies. When seeking someone's Wisdom have the Courtesy to come with the greeting of Namaste. Looks and feels to me like a poser. No energy hit at all. No awakening. No offense to any followers- just offering my sense of it.:-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You snooze, you lose. Get messages ASAP with AutoCheck in the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_html.html
Re: [FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
--- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Alex Stanley j_alexander_stanley@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008 no_reply@ wrote: Yesterday you claimed to have given up this list, presumably because too many here posessed enough knowledge to see through your rethoric... and now you continue ! Don't you see that it is laughable for a socalled Guru to denonce someone for having been a secretary or wearing white ? She takes all that hierarchical lineage and tradition stuff very seriously. And, as Dr. Pete pointed out, it's all just divisions of the mind. It's Indian cultural baggage, dusty codified duality, that for some people, apparently, is inextricably intertwined with awakening itself. You can get a taste of how very seriously she takes herself and the whole guru shtick from what she writes on her contact page: http://www.abide-in-self.com/contact-Swami-G..htm 1. Save the Hey there or the Hi for your buddies. When seeking someone's Wisdom have the Courtesy to come with the greeting of Namaste. Looks and feels to me like a poser. No energy hit at all. No awakening. No offense to any followers- just offering my sense of it.:-) Well, not every teacher or teaching is going to be everyone's cuppa tea. Certainly not everyone is going to be drawn to the Waking Down teachers who really gave me a jump start, but if any of them had insisted that I address him with 'namaste', I'd have laughed in his face and told him to get over himself already. Heck, last year when Saniel Bonder was in town, I ended up taking a weekend course that I had not planned on taking because I didn't like his course description. I told him right to his face that it sounded like saccharine new-age dreck. Some teachers/gurus might have thrown me out on my ass for saying something like that, but Saniel loved it. And, the course turned out to be immensely valuable for me. Reminds me of people asking SSRS what they should call him. He said you could call him anything you like that it really didn't matter. When asked about him being a guru, etc., he got this pained bemused look on his face and said all these concepts aren't necessary. Just the mind labeling things for no purpose at all. He said to treat and to think of him as your friend, because he was. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles. Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
On Jun 15, 2007, at 7:14 PM, Peter wrote: Reminds me of people asking SSRS what they should call him. He said you could call him anything you like that it really didn't matter. When asked about him being a guru, etc., he got this pained bemused look on his face and said all these concepts aren't necessary. Just the mind labeling things for no purpose at all. He said to treat and to think of him as your friend, because he was. What a nice guy. You just gotta love Ravi. But I also don't confuse this with the fact that there is a natural lineage of evolution, and if someone is at a higher state of evolution, I just appreciate that there are patterns that will naturally imprint towards me in part due to that appreciation. I try not to get wrapped up in the cultural trappings of that appreciation because I appreciate why they're there, even if they seem foreign to my own culture. Why be a spiritual and/or cultural xenophobe when understanding increases appreciation and appreciation is a major mechanism for transmission? Wouldn't it be great if gurus would just appear in the clothing you could get at the local mall and appreciate cultural absurdities like Christmas? Wouldn't it be cool if Santa was replaced as a guru worshipping holiday, collective America and Europa surrendering to the morphogenetic field of human evolution? If only. But in case that really happens, remember where you heard it first. ;-)
RE: [FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alex Stanley Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 9:45 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: [FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi) --- In HYPERLINK mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.comFairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you get kicked off here for writting letters like this? No. Just don't write more than 35 of them per week. He did 38 this week. The reason we have this rule, Ron, is that some people were posting excessively without putting much thought into their posts, and were squabbling back and forth with one another, indulging in petty personal disputes which didn’t interest the majority of the group. After some deliberation we decided to establish a posting quota, hoping that by restricting quantity, we would improve quality. It worked. At first we limited it to 5 per day, but decided to average it out to 35 per week. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.17/850 - Release Date: 6/15/2007 11:31 AM
RE: [FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Archer Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 9:55 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi) No. Just don't write more than 35 of them per week. He did 38 this week. The reason we have this rule, Ron, is that some people were posting excessively without putting much thought into their posts, and were squabbling back and forth with one another, indulging in petty personal disputes which didn’t interest the majority of the group. After some deliberation we decided to establish a posting quota, hoping that by restricting quantity, we would improve quality. It worked. At first we limited it to 5 per day, but decided to average it out to 35 per week. - I reset the count every Friday at midnight Central Time. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.17/850 - Release Date: 6/15/2007 11:31 AM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
On Jun 15, 2007, at 5:01 PM, qntmpkt wrote: ---G's symptoms of being on the path: Blue Light Just turn on your TV. Seeing of Auras That too. Sal
Re: [FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
On Jun 15, 2007, at 9:57 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I reset the count every Friday at midnight Central Time. If you've written more than 35 do you turn into a pumpkin? Sal
RE: [FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
From: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sal Sunshine Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:59 PM To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi) On Jun 15, 2007, at 9:57 PM, Rick Archer wrote: I reset the count every Friday at midnight Central Time. If you've written more than 35 do you turn into a pumpkin? If people willfully violate the rule I put them on moderated status. I figured Ron didn’t know about it or understand the reason for it. I presume he’ll stick to 35 from now on. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.17/850 - Release Date: 6/15/2007 11:31 AM
Re: [FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
But if I can somehow find a danda-thingy will it be a pranic tracking device? Maybe I should be worried. I might inadvertently say something unbecoming about the franchising swami-g-spot. What if I claimed that the little she-coil (kundalini) was the fundamental ignorance at the root of this suffering universe. Would she send some naga sadhu to beat me up or maybe stick me with a khatvanga? I don't do drugs. I don't have any ganja for the ganga. When I see the naga's eyes rolling around and flashing red bindus I'll know I'm in big trouble! Help me Obewan. The dark side of the shakti might track me down. Got an multi-syllabic mantras I can jap? Maybe that might save me? Oh I'm so empty. Does that make me a Buddhist? Maybe Vajra-naught would know. Vettali, Vettali - blood, life! Please don't cut my juggler! I'm too empty to satisfy your insatiable thirst. empty t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what is that tall orange thingy she's holding? Is it like one of those telemetric ankle bracelets that authorities use to track people out of detention? Kinda cool looking. So I'm wondering how can I get one of those thingys? Here's the link- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TM_Discussion/?yguid=228252276 I looked at the picture, and it certainly is Swami G with, as you righly say a pujari. Please go also to http://youtube.com/results?search_query=Swami+Gsearch=Search and you can see that it Swami G is an American woman who has taken sannyas vows. About the stick I am also puzzled, by I don't think its a Danda (stick often wrapped in an orange cloth) Only Brahmins could become Danda Swamis. Guru Dev was one, and you can see such a stick on his photo. It is regarded as a holy symbol. So I suppose it must be some other tool. - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. - Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Confused aboiut Swami-G (was Re: Guru Dev's deathbed instructions to Maharishi)
t3rinity wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, emptybill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what is that tall orange thingy she's holding? Is it like one of those telemetric ankle bracelets that authorities use to track people out of detention? Kinda cool looking. So I'm wondering … how can I get one of those thingys? Here's the link- http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TM_Discussion/?yguid=228252276 I looked at the picture, and it certainly is Swami G with, as you righly say a pujari. Please go also to http://youtube.com/results?search_query=Swami+Gsearch=Search and you can see that it Swami G is an American woman who has taken sannyas vows. About the stick I am also puzzled, by I don't think its a Danda (stick often wrapped in an orange cloth) Only Brahmins could become Danda Swamis. Guru Dev was one, and you can see such a stick on his photo. It is regarded as a holy symbol. So I suppose it must be some other tool. She learned tantra from a tantric near Rishikesh. There are not a lot of rules on the left hand path as there are on the right hand path. Tantrics also believe that anyone who becomes enlightened is a Brahmin regardless of caste by birth. Westerners though go ga-ga over the right hand path because they want to be become holy not realizing they can become just as holy on the left hand path which fits much better our western lifestyles though you do have to find a qualified guru. She also has learned a lot of the same things that I learned from my tantra guru and even makes a point about the common message you get from gurus in one of her videos. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
