Re: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened
From: Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. It would be interesting to hear his answer to my question, although I doubt he'd really give one. Easier to dodge and weave to avoid cognitive dissonance than deal with it, especially if you've devoted 50 years *to* avoiding it. It goes without saying that I see another option to the either/or I laid out below. That was for Jerry -- based on knowing him, those would be the two options I think he would see. Me, I'd go for both/and -- Maharishi was WRONG about what happens after dying in enlightenment AND he was never enlightened. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi was never enlightened. If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to resolve this WTF quandary for me. I mean, I could understand someone who has never spent any time around Maharishi or never even met him (like Jim, Judy, or Lawson) not knowing what Maharishi's teachings were about the impossibility of individuality after death in CC. But Jerry? I've heard him parrot those teachings, and in that I *know* the Truth so you *really* should believe me tone of voice he used to use in lectures. So if he is willing to entertain even the *possibility* that these messages really come from a now-dead Maharishi who still has individuality, what does that imply about what he (Jerry) now believes? Was the teaching wrong, or was it right, and Maharishi just never enlightened?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater@... wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Really? Michael, seriously, Barry missed the point here. What would be an equivilent? Ronald Reagon invading Grenada and and calling it a major military victory? That's the sense of it, really. Oh let the little boys have their fun. For an exercise, let's pretend we are as happy and excited as they are about all of this and, in addition, let's laugh at the joke bawee made about the email addresses. The only problem is I am truly disappointed and more than a little bit hurt that I have, so far, not been included on the invite list for the Dutch dinner. But then, they only seem to want to invite those who are in mutual agreement. How boring is that? Dear Ann, Perhaps I should explain myself better. I am happy and excited. That is my State. Fairfieldlife Posts do not change my state. At times I appear rough (pssst...accent on 'appear'). At times I appear vindictive (psst...again). As for the dinner. My immediate thought was to invite Michael for a separate, later dinner together. We're working on the venue now. I can't say anything now about the invitations as I, of course, would leave that up to Mike. For now, I have just been wishing all Bon Voyage and Bon Appetit! P.S. Did you see the stars on that girl? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi was never enlightened. If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to resolve this WTF quandary for me. I mean, I could understand someone who has
Re: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb@... wrote : From: Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. It would be interesting to hear his answer to my question, although I doubt he'd really give one. Easier to dodge and weave to avoid cognitive dissonance than deal with it, especially if you've devoted 50 years *to* avoiding it. It goes without saying that I see another option to the either/or I laid out below. That was for Jerry -- based on knowing him, those would be the two options I think he would see. Me, I'd go for both/and -- Maharishi was WRONG about what happens after dying in enlightenment AND he was never enlightened. Jerry Jarvis has spoken his final words to you for his entire life. And since you believe in dissolving after life, I guess that's it. This Post counts. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi was never enlightened. If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to resolve this WTF quandary for me. I mean, I could understand someone who has never spent any time around Maharishi or never even met him (like Jim, Judy, or Lawson) not knowing what Maharishi's teachings were about the impossibility of individuality after death in CC. But Jerry? I've heard him parrot those teachings, and in that I *know* the Truth so you *really* should believe me tone of voice he used to use in lectures. So if he is willing to entertain even the *possibility* that these messages really come from a now-dead Maharishi who still has individuality, what does that imply about what he (Jerry) now believes? Was the teaching wrong, or was
Re: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened
EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. From: TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi was never enlightened. If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to resolve this WTF quandary for me. I mean, I could understand someone who has never spent any time around Maharishi or never even met him (like Jim, Judy, or Lawson) not knowing what Maharishi's teachings were about the impossibility of individuality after death in CC. But Jerry? I've heard him parrot those teachings, and in that I *know* the Truth so you *really* should believe me tone of voice he used to use in lectures. So if he is willing to entertain even the *possibility* that these messages really come from a now-dead Maharishi who still has individuality, what does that imply about what he (Jerry) now believes? Was the teaching wrong, or was it right, and Maharishi just never enlightened?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. Dear Michael, I know you have deep respect for Barry's relationship to Jerry Jarvis, bit I need to lower your expectations, just a bit. As I passed on the Barry: Barry's relationship to the TMO, similar to all Barry's relationships, is done and current only in his imagination. Jerry has given Barry his final words some time ago. I hope this clarifies things, and saves you from further disappointment. Danny From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi was never enlightened. If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to resolve this WTF quandary for me. I mean, I could understand someone who has never spent any time around Maharishi or never even met him (like Jim, Judy, or Lawson) not knowing what Maharishi's teachings were about the impossibility of individuality after death in CC. But Jerry? I've heard him parrot those teachings, and in that I *know* the Truth so you *really* should believe me tone of voice he used to use in lectures. So if he is willing to entertain even the *possibility* that these messages really come from a now-dead Maharishi who still has individuality, what does that imply about what he (Jerry) now believes? Was the teaching wrong, or was it right, and Maharishi just never enlightened?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened
I am actually making use of my friend Bill's connection to Mr. Jarvis. From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. Dear Michael, I know you have deep respect for Barry's relationship to Jerry Jarvis, bit I need to lower your expectations, just a bit. As I passed on the Barry: Barry's relationship to the TMO, similar to all Barry's relationships, is done and current only in his imagination. Jerry has given Barry his final words some time ago. I hope this clarifies things, and saves you from further disappointment. Danny From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi was never enlightened. If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to resolve this WTF quandary for me. I mean, I could understand someone who has never spent any time around Maharishi or never even met him (like Jim, Judy, or Lawson) not knowing what Maharishi's teachings were about the impossibility of individuality after death in CC. But Jerry? I've heard him parrot those teachings, and in that I *know* the Truth so you *really* should believe me tone of voice he used to use in lectures. So if he is willing to entertain even the *possibility* that these messages really come from a now-dead Maharishi who still has individuality, what does that imply about what he (Jerry) now believes? Was the teaching wrong, or was it right
Re: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : I am actually making use of my friend Bill's connection to Mr. Jarvis. Dear Mike, Yes, that what I was referring to (I know you think I don't read the Posts but, in fact, I do read yours). When you wrote: I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. I figured you were hoping about a hope. I just wanted to prepare you for the eventuality that Jerry Jarvis doesn't spent too much time on Barry. See you around! Dan From: danfriedman2002 no_re...@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. Dear Michael, I know you have deep respect for Barry's relationship to Jerry Jarvis, bit I need to lower your expectations, just a bit. As I passed on the Barry: Barry's relationship to the TMO, similar to all Barry's relationships, is done and current only in his imagination. Jerry has given Barry his final words some time ago. I hope this clarifies things, and saves you from further disappointment. Danny From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi was never enlightened. If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to resolve this WTF quandary for me. I mean, I could understand someone who has never spent any time around Maharishi or never even met him (like Jim, Judy, or Lawson) not knowing what Maharishi's teachings were about the impossibility of individuality after death in CC. But Jerry
Re: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened
Really? Michael, seriously, Barry missed the point here. What would be an equivilent? Ronald Reagon invading Grenada and and calling it a major military victory? That's the sense of it, really. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi was never enlightened. If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to resolve this WTF quandary for me. I mean, I could understand someone who has never spent any time around Maharishi or never even met him (like Jim, Judy, or Lawson) not knowing what Maharishi's teachings were about the impossibility of individuality after death in CC. But Jerry? I've heard him parrot those teachings, and in that I *know* the Truth so you *really* should believe me tone of voice he used to use in lectures. So if he is willing to entertain even the *possibility* that these messages really come from a now-dead Maharishi who still has individuality, what does that imply about what he (Jerry) now believes? Was the teaching wrong, or was it right, and Maharishi just never enlightened?
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Yes, a perfect equivalence, and, hint hint, Reagan had Alzheimers (in addition to being a mean old ass-hole). ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Really? Michael, seriously, Barry missed the point here. What would be an equivilent? Ronald Reagon invading Grenada and and calling it a major military victory? That's the sense of it, really. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi was never enlightened. If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to resolve this WTF quandary for me. I mean, I could understand someone who has never spent any time around Maharishi or never even met him (like Jim, Judy, or Lawson) not knowing what Maharishi's teachings were about the impossibility of individuality after death in CC. But Jerry? I've heard him parrot those teachings, and in that I *know* the Truth so you *really* should believe me tone of voice he used to use in lectures. So if he is willing to entertain even the *possibility* that these messages really come from a now-dead Maharishi who still has individuality, what does that imply about what he (Jerry) now believes? Was the teaching wrong, or was it right, and Maharishi just never enlightened?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, steve.sundur@... wrote : Really? Michael, seriously, Barry missed the point here. What would be an equivilent? Ronald Reagon invading Grenada and and calling it a major military victory? That's the sense of it, really. Oh let the little boys have their fun. For an exercise, let's pretend we are as happy and excited as they are about all of this and, in addition, let's laugh at the joke bawee made about the email addresses. The only problem is I am truly disappointed and more than a little bit hurt that I have, so far, not been included on the invite list for the Dutch dinner. But then, they only seem to want to invite those who are in mutual agreement. How boring is that? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mjackson74@... wrote : EXCELLENT post Barry - you have officially busted the asses of everyone who thinks this whole deal is the real deal. I am passing all this along to my friend Bill who is in touch with Jerry, the one I mentioned in past posts who has had several extended phone conversations with Jerry in the past few months. I hope he is willing to pass the question on and I hope Jerry is willing to answer. From: TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 9, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Nice to hear from you, Rish...sorry to learn you weren't enlightened OK, it was kinda inevitable that *somebody* would come along claiming to be able to pass along Maharishi's messages from beyond the grave. I'm surprised that it hasn't happened before now. The thing I'm confused about is how anyone who claims to believe that *by his own standards and according to his own teachings* Maharishi was enlightened would be *interested* in hearing a message from him after death. Or how such a person could even consider such a message a *possibility* if Maharishi was really enlightened. In being open to such a promised message possibly being for real, you would have to believe that Maharishi was NEVER enlightened. If he was, *according to his own teachings*, after an enlightened person dies, there can be no individuality left to send such a message. The drop has returned to the ocean. That means there ain't no drop (or personality construct, or self) known as Maharishi out there any more. Just ocean. Last I checked, oceans don't send messages to guys in showers, including the shower guy's dead wife in on the conference call. And if they do, they don't sign them, Maharishi. I heard Maharishi give the talks surrounding this point many times, and they were often controversy-provoking, with people standing up to the microphone and saying, No, Maharishi, that *can't* be how it is, that if you die in CC there is no more 'you' left and you never have a chance to attain GC or UC. And *every time* someone did this, Maharishi would correct them and say, No, there is NO chance of individual personality continuing to exist after an enlightened person dies. They are already Absolute, and when the relative body falls away, all that is left is Absolute -- no personality, no self, nada. Game over, man. OK, he didn't say Game over, man, but he did pretty much say all the rest, as many teachers here on this forum know. And the thing is Jerry Jarvis knows this better than anyone. He perfected the art of parroting Maharishi's talks on this subject, and I heard him give the same speech many times -- There is no individuality after an enlightened person dies, and no possibility of one existing. So if Jerry has actually come to believe that messages from Dead Maharishi could possibly exist, what does that imply? Well, as far as I can tell, it implies one of two things -- an either/or situation. To believe that this George Hammond guy *has* actually received messages from a Dead Maharishi, Jerry would have to believe that either 1) Maharishi's teaching on this subject (which he had parroted many times) was WRONG, or 2) that the teaching might be correct, but that means that Maharishi was never enlightened. If any of you out there are actually in touch with Jerry, ask him to resolve this WTF quandary for me. I mean, I could understand someone who has never spent any time around Maharishi or never even met him (like Jim, Judy, or Lawson) not knowing what Maharishi's teachings were about the impossibility of individuality after death in CC. But Jerry? I've heard him parrot those teachings, and in that I *know* the Truth so you *really* should believe me tone of voice he used to use in lectures. So if he is willing to entertain even the *possibility* that these messages really come from a now-dead Maharishi who still has individuality, what does that imply about what he (Jerry) now believes? Was the teaching wrong, or was it right, and Maharishi just never enlightened?
