Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Remembering the Life of Mahatma Gandhi'

2007-08-30 Thread MDixon6569
 
In a message dated 8/29/07 6:37:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

I heard  that Gandhi in his philosophy of passifism once commented 
that the jew of  Germany should have sat quietly in silent protest 
while Hilter  exterminated them. Has anyone else heard anything about 
this?  



Should have? Isn't that what they did?Thus the saying *never  again*.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Remembering the Life of Mahatma Gandhi'

2007-08-30 Thread billy jim
If you'll check the source you'll see that this statement was made by 
suziezuzie (msilver1951) and that my contribution was to follow with an article 
discussing Gandhi's passifist views about the Jews. It was Martin Buber who 
answered Gandhi publicly. Anyone reading Gandhi's comments can see that he 
wouldn't have minded sending every Jew to the slaughter so he could prove that 
ahimsa was morally superior. 
   
  There is so much post-WWII cultural propaganda that people don't even know 
that the SS wanted to send the Jews out of Europe by train to their home in 
Palestine. The British refused this request because they didn't want the Grand 
Mufti of Jerusalem to lead Palestinian Muslims in rebellion against British 
colonialism. It is one of the ironies of history that the SS (who took the 
homes and possessions of the Jews by force) wanted to return all Jews to their 
homeland and it was therefore British who blocked this from happening (to 
protect their territorial interests). To this day the British still deny this 
truth. (See The Order of the Death's Head by German historian Heinz Hohne). 
   
  Gandhi's story had now become a westernized cultural hagiography. Western 
Buddhists (hand in hand with Satyagraha proponents) have been a large part of 
this effort to portray him as a saint. 
   
  For my part I take sides with the Jewish fighters in the Warsaw ghetto, who 
were respected even by the SS. On the other hand, if Gandhi's soul is back on 
Earth doing the same type of thing again then the Jihadists will slaughter him 
this time instead of an Indian nationalist. After all, Dar-as-salam (the realm 
of Islam) has no earthly boundaries. 
   
   
  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  In a message dated 8/29/07 6:37:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
   
  I heard that Gandhi in his philosophy of passifism once commented 
that the jew of Germany should have sat quietly in silent protest 
while Hilter exterminated them. Has anyone else heard anything about 
this? 

  
  Should have? Isn't that what they did?Thus the saying *never again*.




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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 'Remembering the Life of Mahatma Gandhi'

2007-08-29 Thread billy jim


suziezuzie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I heard that Gandhi in his 
philosophy of passifism once commented 
that the jew of Germany should have sat quietly in silent protest 
while Hilter exterminated them. Has anyone else heard anything about 
this? 


  Empty Bill helps out boys and girls!
  What Did Gandhi Do?
One-sided pacifist.
  By David Lewis Schaefer
 
In the weeks leading up to Operation Iraqi Freedom, American college campuses 
were plastered with posters asking “What Would Gandhi Do?” The implication, of 
course, was that the U.S. should emulate the tactics of the celebrated Hindu 
pacifist who successfully led the movement for Indian independence from 
Britain. 

The analogy, it should go without saying, overlooks major differences between 
the two cases. Whereas the 20th-century British were far too benign an imperial 
power to choose to slaughter peaceful resisters to their rule, there’s no 
evidence that Saddam Hussein, already responsible for the massacre and torture 
of hundreds of thousands of his countrymen (to say nothing of the many more who 
died in his aggressive wars against Iran and Kuwait) would likewise have 
succumbed to friendly persuasion — Jacques Chirac to the contrary 
notwithstanding. (It’s not that we didn’t try!) 
  It is interesting, in this regard, to recall how Gandhi himself responded to 
the evil perpetrated by one of Saddam’s role models, Adolf Hitler. In November, 
1938, responding to Jewish pleas that he endorse the Zionist cause so as to 
persuade the British government to open Palestine to immigrants fleeing 
Hitler’s persecution, Gandhi published an open letter flatly rejecting the 
request. While expressing the utmost “sympathy” with the Jews and lamenting 
“their age-old persecution,” Gandhi explained that “the cry for the national 
home for the Jews does not make much appeal to me,” since “Palestine belongs to 
the Arabs.” Instead, he urged the Jews to “make that country their home where 
they are born.” To demand just treatment in the lands of their current 
residence while also demanding that Palestine be made their home, he argued, 
smacked of hypocrisy. Gandhi even went so far as to remark that “this cry for 
the national home affords a colorable justification for the German
 expulsion of the Jews.” 
  Of course, Gandhi added, “the German persecution of the Jews seems to have no 
parallel in history,” and “if there ever could be a justifiable war in the name 
of and for humanity, a war against Germany, to prevent the wanton persecution 
of a whole race, would be completely justified.” Hitler’s regime was showing 
the world “how efficiently violence can be worked when it is not hampered by 
any hypocrisy or weakness masquerading as humanitarianism.” Nonetheless, the 
Hindu leader rejected that notion, since “I do not believe in any war.” And for 
Britain, France, and America to declare war on Hitler’s regime would bring them 
“no inner joy, no inner strength.” 
  Having rejected both the plea that Palestine should be offered as a place of 
refuge for the Jews and the idea that the Western democracies should launch a 
war to overthrow Hitler, Gandhi offered only one avenue for the Jews to resist 
their persecution while preserving their “self-respect.” Were he a German Jew, 
Gandhi pronounced, he would challenge the Germans to shoot or imprison him 
rather than “submit to discriminating treatment.” Such “voluntary” suffering, 
practiced by all the Jews of Germany, would bring them, he promised, 
immeasurable “inner strength and joy.” Indeed, “if the Jewish mind could be 
prepared” for such suffering, even a massacre of all German Jews “could be 
turned into a day of thanksgiving and joy,” since “to the God-fearing, death 
has no terror.” 
  According to Gandhi, it would (for unexplained reasons) be “easier for the 
Jews than for the Czechs” (then facing German occupation) to follow his 
prescription. As inspiration, he offered “an exact parallel” in the campaign 
for Indian civil rights in South Africa that he had led decades earlier. 
Through their strength of suffering, he promised, “the German Jews will score a 
lasting victory over the German Gentiles in the sense that they will have 
converted [them] to an appreciation of human dignity.” And the same policy 
ought to be followed by Jews already in Palestine enduring Arab pogroms 
launched against them: if only they would “discard the help of the British 
bayonet” for their defense, and instead “offer themselves [to the Arabs] to be 
shot or thrown into the Dead Sea without raising a little finger,” the Jews 
would win a favorable “world opinion” regarding their “religious aspiration.” 
  In a thoughtful personal response dated February 24, 1939, the Jewish 
philosopher Martin Buber — who had himself emigrated to Israel from Germany a 
short time earlier and combined his Zionism with earnest efforts to peacefully 
reconcile Jewish and Arab claims in the Holy Land — chided Gandhi for