Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TurquoiseB wrote: Or perhaps because chakras are grafted on after the vedic stuff he DOES consider important? Maharishi mentions marmas, and not chakras. In all fairness to MMY, I don't think he wanted to open a pandora's box with this more esoteric stuff, who knows, I may not be a meditator now if he did. He wants to broden his appeal not lessen it, afterall.I don't hold it against him, although it would be reassuring if he did explain it from our (TM) point of view. :-) Haven't any of you guys considered the obvious? He doesn't speak about chakras (and thousands of other spiritual subjects) because he doesn't know anything about them. If you want to know about such things, go to the spiritual traditions that have studied them for centuries. His obviously didn't. No because chakras are pretty basic stuff in Indian philosophy and MMY would have had to grow up in Topeka if he didn't know about them. Besides Ingegerd already said he talked about them in the early days. However in teaching meditation you usually don't deal with the chakras unless someone has one blocked. And the concept of Chakra, at least within the texts I've already mentioned, doesn't go into details such as unblocking them anyway. Shaktipat is used to unblock them. Techniques dealing with Chakras as Chakras don't appear in Indian literature and tradition until 1200 years ago if that. How about in the oral traditions? :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, t3rinity [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, sparaig sparaig@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Yup, he secularized a lot of the stuff. For instance, creative intelligence for shakti. I don't think he uses creative intelligence as a translation of shakti. I think it's more a translation of brhama. I agree with Bhairitu: Its Shakti. Think of this SCI lecture, where he speaks about, when Awareness becomes aware of itself, then intelligence becomes creative. Here Intelligence is Shiva and Creativity is Shakti. Brahma is more like an executive function, but he can only create because he has Shakti. Actually, it's when conscousness becomes conscious, intelligence becomes intelligent, but I agree, shakti appears to be the sanskrit he translates as creative intelligence. I agree. Shiva is the infinite silence of pure consciousness and Shakti is the movement of That infinity within its own silence. You could also argue that creative intelligence = devas (which in its totality is shakti). To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Paul Mason [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I spent some time with Brahmachari Sattyanand he gave me an advanced technique which involves paying attention to the mantra in a particular location. Being in India, with an Indian, in an Indian ashram, I asked him if he meant in the vicinity of the soso chakra, but he soon made it very clear he had no patience for any mention of chakras and left it at that. He did not say why, but I suspect it is for the very reasons that Turq gives, that it was off his map (which is a very good reason not to embark on a dissertation about them). Sounds to me like projection. I remember quite explicitly the exact wording of my advanced technique instruction (acting traing comes in handy at times) and there wasn't anything like pay attention to the mantra in a certain location. I can certainly see why, if you were expecting something chakra-ish, you would misremember what you were told, but it is certainly not what I was told and I doubt if you were told that either. It was thinking the mantra in a certain area of the body. It is one of the last advanced techniques. I can see why the term chakra was not used because chakra for most people is just a concept that could confuse things. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB no_reply@ wrote: Or perhaps because chakras are grafted on after the vedic stuff he DOES consider important? Maharishi mentions marmas, and not chakras. In all fairness to MMY, I don't think he wanted to open a pandora's box with this more esoteric stuff, who knows, I may not be a meditator now if he did. He wants to broden his appeal not lessen it, afterall.I don't hold it against him, although it would be reassuring if he did explain it from our (TM) point of view. :-) Haven't any of you guys considered the obvious? He doesn't speak about chakras (and thousands of other spiritual subjects) because he doesn't know anything about them. If you want to know about such things, go to the spiritual traditions that have studied them for centuries. His obviously didn't. Before anyone freaks out and considers this anti-TM, it's not. I honestly think that 1) he doesn't discuss this particular subject (chakras) and many others (the mechanics of what happens between incarnations, how to transmit shakti, how to perceive auras, etc.) because he doesn't know anything about them, 2) that it is *fine* and *appropriate* that he doesn't know anything about them, and 3) that it's a *good idea* that he doesn't say anything about them. Why spread ignorance when so many people are going to listen to it and assume that it's knowledge? Maharishi grew up in a very conservative and mainstream Hindu tradition. They had a lot of things they were knowledgable about, and when he discusses those things, he is on safe ground and is doing his students a service to pass along what he might have learned. But to stray into areas that he never studied (because his tradition didn't study them or consider them important) would be a *disservice* to his students. If you think I'm wrong about this, try to remember when he *has* talked about other spir- itual traditions, like the times he's conveyed complete and total misinformation about Subud, about Scientology, and about Christianity. In every case, one or more of his students cornered him into talking about something he knew nothing about except some misinformation that he'd heard along the way, and he passed along that misinfor- mation as if it were true. In my opinion, when you know nothing about a subject, it's better to say nothing about it than to spout a buncha bullshit and *prove* that you know nothing about it. Some posters here, who feel compelled to act as if they know all about things they've never studied (the Google-it-for- five-minutes-and-pretend-you're-an-expert approach) would IMO do better to follow their teacher's example and just stay away from subjects they know nothing about. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
TurquoiseB wrote: Or perhaps because chakras are grafted on after the vedic stuff he DOES consider important? Maharishi mentions marmas, and not chakras. In all fairness to MMY, I don't think he wanted to open a pandora's box with this more esoteric stuff, who knows, I may not be a meditator now if he did. He wants to broden his appeal not lessen it, afterall.I don't hold it against him, although it would be reassuring if he did explain it from our (TM) point of view. :-) Haven't any of you guys considered the obvious? He doesn't speak about chakras (and thousands of other spiritual subjects) because he doesn't know anything about them. If you want to know about such things, go to the spiritual traditions that have studied them for centuries. His obviously didn't. No because chakras are pretty basic stuff in Indian philosophy and MMY would have had to grow up in Topeka if he didn't know about them. Besides Ingegerd already said he talked about them in the early days. However in teaching meditation you usually don't deal with the chakras unless someone has one blocked. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)? on 9/3/06 2:19 PM, Bhairitu at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't any of you guys considered the obvious? He doesn't speak about chakras (and thousands of other spiritual subjects) because he doesn't know anything about them. If you want to know about such things, go to the spiritual traditions that have studied them for centuries. His obviously didn't. No because chakras are pretty basic stuff in Indian philosophy and MMY would have had to grow up in Topeka if he didn't know about them. Besides Ingegerd already said he talked about them in the early days. However in teaching meditation you usually don't deal with the chakras unless someone has one blocked. Ill bet Maharishi knows plenty about the chakras and has had clear experiences of them, but he tended to avoid talking about physiological things that couldnt be explored by Western scientists. Like the dual nervous system idea which he used to talk about, but dropped around 1970. __._,_.___ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __,_._,___
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 9/3/06 2:19 PM, Bhairitu at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't any of you guys considered the obvious? He doesn't speak about chakras (and thousands of other spiritual subjects) because he doesn't know anything about them. If you want to know about such things, go to the spiritual traditions that have studied them for centuries. His obviously didn't. No because chakras are pretty basic stuff in Indian philosophy and MMY would have had to grow up in Topeka if he didn't know about them. Besides Ingegerd already said he talked about them in the early days. However in teaching meditation you usually don't deal with the chakras unless someone has one blocked. I¹ll bet Maharishi knows plenty about the chakras and has had clear experiences of them, but he tended to avoid talking about physiological things that couldn¹t be explored by Western scientists. Like the dual nervous system idea which he used to talk about, but dropped around 1970. On my TTC (LaAntilla, 1972) someone asked MMY about chakras and he laughed and said they go round and round. He talked a little about kundalini yoga and said it was a legitimate path but required a lot of personal attention from a master. He concluded with saying with TM we don't have to worry about chakras. Now, my take: Chakras are just part of the subtle nervous system along with nadis. You can experience energy flowing through various nadis when you're very still. Also attention enlivens various chakras. TMer's have huge ajna chakras probably from all the mental techniques we do. If you want to go on a fun trip, place your attention on your ajna chakra (third eye) and your attention will be pulled through it into different lokas (worlds). I sh*t you not. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
wmurphy77 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Indians in general speak of the third eye open (kundalini has risen) as a sign of enlightenment. And what does MMY say? Like others have mentioned here I never heard him speak of the chakras. It's not that the information isn't important though. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
--- sparaig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wmurphy77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, jim_flanegin jflanegi@ wrote: Not sure I understand all of what you said- all I can say is that when the third eye opens (a very weird expression by the way...) the ability is gained to see all manner of things without the optic machinery of the eyes, although such sights are still like any other picture, with dimension, shape, color, etc. Jim-The 'third' or all seeing eye opens up the 'vision' and conscious awareness of God immanent in creation as the Creator, not bad, wouldn't you sa. But like you said, without the optic machinery of the eyes, remember what Christ said, no man cometh unto the Father (Brahman) but thru meie. thur the all seeing 'third' eye. Yep, I'm sure that is what Christ meant: me = 3rd eye. me=3rd eye=Kevin Bacon To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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wmurphy77 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And what does MMY say? Like others have mentioned here I never heard him speak of the chakras. It's not that the information isn't important though. I'm not sure why MMY does not mention opening of the spiritual astral/causal third eye, but it might be because it smacks of Religion and Hinduism, and of course, we all know TM isn't a Religion, God forbid. Yup, he secularized a lot of the stuff. For instance, creative intelligence for shakti. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wmurphy77 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Indians in general speak of the third eye open (kundalini has risen) as a sign of enlightenment. And what does MMY say? Like others have mentioned here I never heard him speak of the chakras. It's not that the information isn't important though. I have to say that it may be important, but not essential. I don't think you're going to have enlightenment without the opening of the third eye. So it is rather essential BUT happens due to practicing meditation. :) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wmurphy77 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: And what does MMY say? Like others have mentioned here I never heard him speak of the chakras. It's not that the information isn't important though. I'm not sure why MMY does not mention opening of the spiritual astral/causal third eye, but it might be because it smacks of Religion and Hinduism, and of course, we all know TM isn't a Religion, God forbid. Yup, he secularized a lot of the stuff. For instance, creative intelligence for shakti. I don't think he uses creative intelligence as a translation of shakti. I think it's more a translation of brhama. I think you're wrong there or don't know what shakti is. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: wmurphy77 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Indians in general speak of the third eye open (kundalini has risen) as a sign of enlightenment. And what does MMY say? Like others have mentioned here I never heard him speak of the chakras. It's not that the information isn't important though. I have to say that it may be important, but not essential. I don't think you're going to have enlightenment without the opening of the third eye. So it is rather essential BUT happens due to practicing meditation. :) I agree opening of the third eye is essential- I was referring to knowledge of the chakras. I know virtually nothing about them, though I do recall being clearly aware of when they opened- (especially the crown- Wow!) You'll find an overview of the chakras here on the fourth video: http://realtantrasolutions.com/videos.htm It is ashamed that MMY didn't provide the rest of the teaching. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Is opening the third eye (Ajna) necessary for enlightenment (CC)?
sparaig wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jim_flanegin wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: wmurphy77 wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu noozguru@ wrote: Indians in general speak of the third eye open (kundalini has risen) as a sign of enlightenment. And what does MMY say? Like others have mentioned here I never heard him speak of the chakras. It's not that the information isn't important though. I have to say that it may be important, but not essential. I don't think you're going to have enlightenment without the opening of the third eye. So it is rather essential BUT happens due to practicing meditation. :) What the hell is this third eye and why do you think it is important? Sounds like you need to do some homework. ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
