Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
In a message dated 9/3/05 7:01:57 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, David Vitter, Louisiana's freshmansenator, is a Republican. And he has beenexceedingly critical of Bush and the federalresponse to the disaster. Breaux is no longer a sneator? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
In a message dated 9/2/05 8:48:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's not just the National Guard, it's the FEMApeople and the military. Tuesday morning, to anyonepaying attention, it was obvious that *massive* aidwas going to be needed in a big hurry. All the FEMA people do is have you fill out forms and basically do paper work .It's the National Guard that comes in and restores order and brings immediate relief supplies like food and water and emergency shelter and rescue work. I don't doubt the National Guard was on stand by before the Hurricane ever hit but I'm pretty darn sure they had not been called up at that point. That is the responsibility of the Governor of the state to do that, if they think they are needed. Monday came and everybody breathed a sigh of relief. Chances are so did the National Guard. At that point all it looked like was some clean up and restoring electricity which would have been done by the private sector. I have no doubt the Governor called the Guard up as soon as she assessed the situation on Tuesday. Still we're talking a few days to organize, supply up and get to the city. As for the scum that was shooting and delaying rescue efforts, I said in an earlier post that one helicopter pilot tried to make a drop and was scared off when his chopper was rushed by a bunch of thugs with guns. I have no doubt this is why you couldn't get people, to fly in food and water to the dome, where a national Guardsman had been shot, until law and order were restored and that wasn't going to happen till National Guard MP's arrived. As for using the Military, I assume you mean regular army, I'm pretty sure that would be illegal. I'm pretty sure they can't be used for domestic situations. That is the purpose of the Guard. The emergency didn't happen until the flood sometime Tuesday and from then till Friday morning is not bad response time for Guard especially since the Guard doesn't live on basis but rather in their homes all over the state and need time to report for duty. I still think had the scum buckets not been shooting, things would have gone much smoother on Wednesday and Thursday and flying in food, water and medicine to the dome would have been a snap. Also buses could have started moving people from the dome as well on Wednesday. Bus drivers had refused to go near the dome when they heard about the shootings. That's why they have been stuck there and people in other location have been boarding buses and dispersing. I've even heard they have been leaving on trains as well. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
In a message dated 9/2/05 7:09:47 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Imagine the hue and cry there would be if the federal government deemed themselves to be the definitive voice for evacuation plans for a city or state. Can you imagine what cries of federal infringement on sovereign state rights there would have been? N Shemp, Liberals love federalism to death. They want to be taken care of cradle to grave by the federal government not the state. But you would have to fill out a form in triplicate to apply to evacuate the city. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
In a message dated 9/2/05 7:03:44 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And he dropped the ball.Being president means you have to be ready to havethings thrown in your lap at the last minute. That'sone of the things we hire a president to do.See, nobody's blaming him for the apparently flawedoriginal evacuation efforts, but rather for being soslow to pick up the slack when it became obvious whatwas happening. He didn't get the ball till Wednesday. If you will recall, Monday everybody thought NO had dodged the bullet and all they needed was a couple of days to clean up and start restoring electricity. Then on Tuesday the levee broke. The Mayor and Governor spent a day assessing the situation and then called for help. National Guard doesn't just appear, the governor of the state has to call it up and it takes time for Guardsmen to report for duty. Remember they were in their homes as well cut off from communications and electricity like everybody else. How they got organized and in there today looks like a minor miracle to me. Had the idiots that decided to start taking shots at rescue workers, police, doctors, bus drivers, helicopter pilots. not done so, the rescue work on Wednesday would have been more productive and possibly less agonizing for everybody else, while the National Guard was organizing. The Snipers probably slowed down rescue efforts at least a whole day if not more. I heard one report that a helicopter with supplies was getting ready to land when a bunch of thugs came out with guns and the pilot got scared and lifted of and left. That's probably why you didn't see choppers coming in and dropping off food and water. They weren't going to risk their lives until law and order was restored. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
In a message dated 9/2/05 4:48:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Is the Governor of Louisiana Democrat of Republican?> > > > > > > > She is a democrat as are both senators and so is the mayor of New > Orleans.> > Gee...I wonder if this party affiliation plays any part in what > appears to me to be Judy's lack of criticism in this area...Would you still be defending Bush if they were all Republicans? Of course! Unless they, the republican governor and mayor, could show me they did everything they were supposed to do and that it was Bush that dropped the ball. What I see is a Governor and mayor that screwed up on having a plan for evacuation of the city or at least well supplied relief stations for a hundred thousand people for 3-5 days scattered throughout the city in case of the city flooding. Rescuing a hundred thousand people was throw in Bush's lap at the last minute. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
In a message dated 9/2/05 11:42:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > She is a democrat as are both senators and so is the mayor of New Orleans.Gee...I wonder if this party affiliation plays any part in what appears to me to be Judy's lack of criticism in this area... why attack them when you can blame it on Bush? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
In a message dated 9/1/05 5:52:13 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is the Governor of Louisiana Democrat of Republican? She is a democrat as are both senators and so is the mayor of New Orleans. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
In a message dated 9/1/05 1:11:46 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The time to organize a total evacuation is*before it's needed*. No plans were made toevacuate those who couldn't get out on theirown.> The majority of the people there now are people that chose > to "ride out" the hurricane for whatever reason they had.Not true. Most of them were too poor to get out.No car, no money to hire one, no place to go, nomoney for a hotel if they could get out. The busstation shut down Saturday night. Some of themwere sick or elderly. I sure can agree with you on the fact that the time to organize for evacuation is before! All states are supposed to have evacuation plans and if they don't, they , the state elected officials, need to be held accountable. I'll disagree with you on those not getting out not being able to. I'll agree there would have to be a certain percentage who absolutely had no way out. But Judy, I don't know if you have ever lived in a hurricane prone region. It is very common for people to reject all warnings to leave and ride out the storm thinking they will be safe. As a matter of fact people get together and have hurricane parties. There have been numerous interviews so far in which people regretted not getting out when they had the chance and people here in Houston saying that their husband stayed behind to watch out for the business or the house. A friend of mine in Houma La..would not leave because his mother refused to leave her house so he stayed with her and brought his aunts to the same house so they would be together. I haven't been able to get in touch with him to find out if he and his mom and aunts are ok. The only excuse for not leaving was if you absolutely had no transportation out. Refugee centers were being set up all over and they don't cost a penny to stay in. Then you have to ask yourself if there are thousands that have no transportation to get out, how on earth do you have a plan ready to be able to pick everyone of them up over a large city within a few hours to get them to safety? Katrina chose her target and struck too fast to prevent a major catastrophy. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
In a message dated 9/1/05 12:13:43 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, if FEMA was the first to anticipate it, why did it take them 80 years to figure it out (or however long they've been in existence)?The obvious fact is that the breach was obviously a possibility but Bush, Clinton, and everyone and anyone else in positions of responsibility out there for the past 100 or so years that this problem has existed in New Orleans paid it as much attention as the people in Thailand and Sri Lanka gave to the possibility of the Tsunami...and, yes, there were the same "dire" warnings from professionals that a Tsunami would cause the devastation that it did. And it was neither Clinton's nor Bush's or any other president's responsibility or even of the federal government's responsibility to upgrade the levee system in New Orleans or any other place. That is the responsibility of the state and local governments who can request assistance from the federal government and which was given. Louisiana government neglect of the levees and then saying,(Which they aren't) that they couldn't do it because the feds needed to do it is totally irresponsible and passing the buck. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Katrina disaster updates
In a message dated 9/1/05 11:28:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "The present levees are designed to withstand a Category 3 hurricane; Hurricane Katrina was Category 4, one short of the highest category."It was projected at Category 5 going in. The media were reporting that the levees would not hold well before the storm hit. Too bad the people who relay the news to the president didn't pick that up.And I believe we've already discussed where the money went that was supposed to raise the levees' strength. And do you think there would have been enough time to organize a total evacuation of an entire region or even a major city from the time the path became evident? Remember the mayor of New Orleans pleaded with the people to get out and all highways were bumper to bumper from Friday evening till just before the storm hit. The majority of the people there now are people that chose to "ride out" the hurricane for whatever reason they had. Far too many people don't take hurricane evacuations seriously. States have their own evacuation plans for such scenarios. I think the poor of New Orleans that had no transportation need to look at their local leaders and ask them why there were no plans to get them out. And then I think there was a criminal element that chose to stay and loot To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' SPONSORED LINKS Iowa community credit union Transcendental meditation Maharishi university Best of iowa community credit union Maharishi mahesh yogi YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "FairfieldLife" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
