Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
Yes, I cognized that about you LB. We Buddhist faggots have that ability. I've decided to stop antagonizing Off_world. Too mean. -Peter --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: YOUR RIGHT! I'M UTTERLY INSANE!! I'M A BUDDIST!!! I'M A HINDOO TOO, BUT NOT A COOKIE. RICH ARCHER IS A LEMON COOKIE!! LBS IS A COOKIE MONSTER. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA I'M A BUDDIST. I LIKE CAJUN CATFISH!!! NEW ORLEANS ROCKSHAHAHAHAHAHA Cookie monster was, in fact, one of my first TMO positions of responsibility. When we had advanced lectures in Iowa City (early 70s) I was so notorious for scarfing up the cookies that I was unanimously elected to organize the cookies for each Sunday night. I sometimes baked them myself. And yes, they did call me cookie monster. Clearly, Dr Pete, you are not only a Buddhist faggot, but clairvoyant as well. L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
Dressed in meat! Interesting image. --- Alex Stanley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I cognized that about you LB. The funniest claim of cognition I've ever heard was on the course in Maastricht in 1991. Mike Love and his girlfriend were up on stage, and she was talking about some idea she had. This was not particularly remarkable except for the fact that she was dressed in a suit made of leather. It struck me as very funny that a woman dressed in meat was standing before a devout Hindu holy man and saying I cognized... Alex To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
My guess is: behind the pseudonym `off_world_beings' there is a personor persons very familiar with the TMO, who have lived a long timeinside that system, but not in an important position in it, more justobserving what is going on there, and now making a parody of it. Hecan recognize in himself those nasty spirits that are rampant in theTMO, but are unrecognised by many there. He has found at FFL a forumwhere he can safely through parody help himself and maybe othersbetter to recognize those sentiments.Irmeli-Ie., he has found a stomping ground where the atmosphere is weird enough so that he doesn't much stand out. He can't ever be worse than Willy (The Egoist), Lon (The Liar), Judy (Junkyard Dog), Askolnik (Asshole), Petrus (Fundie till death), English (Pedant) or Eve 69 (Insane Drug Abuser). There were so many other completely psychotic personalities that they're very easy to forget.I was at least five of them in the early days before I "came out" Irmeli, yes, before I came out! Good one.To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
You amaze me Off_world. Truly outstanding in your own field! -Peter --- off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some nutjob trying to get back at the movement for some reason. More conspiracy theory lunacy . Well which is it? - either you believe it's some nutjob who did it or you don't believe it happened. That it happened is well documented and that the people it happened to are successful, well respected parents with a great family, and not nutjob crack whores are whatever you called them, is well known as well. The person who broke into their house you idiot and made the threats. Was either a lone nutjob, who is just nuts, or someone trying to hurt the movement...a nutjob. You can't jusdge the whole TMO for that. Thats just stupid. SNIP Yes, you can't blame the whole TMO for an individual act of stupidity, but in fact TM mgmt encourages thuggery by not condemning it. In fact, Bevan is one of the biggest thugs around -- for instance, asking mgmt at Globalink to fire LB (they did not comply). Lol ! Your still not gettin' it are ya Bob? LB made that crap up based on his delusional paranoia and extremist fundamentalist war against the movement. (Dr. Pete is too dumb to see it though) NO POINT EVER THAT SUPPORTS THE TMO or MAHARISHI IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER, is EVER accepted by LBS, nor EVER WILL BE. This is EXTREME FUNDAMENTALISM. PERIOD. (and before the children here retort: No, most of my posts , statistically speaking, take each point into the realm of reason and balance, unlike most people here.) Anything LBS says, (because of his delusion and fundamentalist war approach) must be considered delusional paranoia, UNLESS it is backed up by other evidence NOT coming from him. LBS, (and a lot of other people here ), your only hope to retain sanity as you grow older, is to find reason, over paranoia and delusion. Find balance over imbalance. Good luck to you , with all my heart. You need it baby! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
I hate talking so much as the impact of words is lost in too much chatter, but I really like the conversations here lately and feel I have something to add, not a feeling to waste, so here goes... From the movementI learned to believe in support of nature which made me thought that to dream was enough. It took me many years at something to realize that hard work and willpower are essential, maybe more essential than deva power. Deva power is good too but God helps those who help themselves (and others).As an odd aside, many people live thinking about how to make a buck, but some live thinking and wishing they could just make some positive difference. My whole life I always sobbed during the Olympics and other feats of greatness feeling left out. The Dharmata is Great. So also are one's dreams, but as important is personal willpower. If you will be inconsolable without your destiny then you simply must have it. I believe in thosoe particular people for whom truth and goodness are their currency, in spite of cash, who therefore sow a crop of good acts thoughts and words. I believe that as some stockbrokers hit it rich so also some few people are there actively sponsoring wellness for the beings everywhere. The payoff in feelings of wellness are great. This too may just be weakness and an addiction. But it's one I want to try. - Original Message - From: Alex Stanley To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 9:12 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote:[snip] I have attachments and aversions of my own, based on my 35 years inside/outside the movement, so I have some appreciation that these can persist long beyond our conscious perception of them.[snip]Excellent post, LB. I would only add that I held on to protectionistattitudes for years after going almost entirely "off the program".When I now look back on that attitude, I feel that it came from aplace of deep insecurity.AlexTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
Hmmm, sounds like a jilted lover LB. (- Thrown Up Dinner-) From: off_world_beings To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Brigante" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: Some nutjob trying to get back at the movement for some reason. More conspiracy theory lunacy . Well which is it? - either you believe it's some nutjob who did it or you don't believe it happened. That it happened is well documented and that the people it happened to are successful, well respected parents with a great family, and not nutjob crack whores are whatever you called them, is well known as well. The person who broke into their house you idiot and made the threats. Was either a lone nutjob, who is just nuts, or someone trying to hurt the movement...a nutjob. You can't jusdge the whole TMO for that. Thats just stupid. SNIP Yes, you can't blame the whole TMO for an individual act of stupidity, but in fact TM mgmt encourages thuggery by not condemning it. In fact, Bevan is one of the biggest thugs around -- for instance, asking mgmt at Globalink to fire LB (they did not comply).Lol !Your still not gettin' it are ya Bob?LB made that crap up based on his delusional paranoia and extremist fundamentalist war against the movement.(Dr. Pete is too dumb to see it though)NO POINT EVER THAT SUPPORTS THE TMO or MAHARISHI IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER, is EVER accepted by LBS, nor EVER WILL BE.This is EXTREME FUNDAMENTALISM. PERIOD.(and before the children here retort: No, most of my posts , statistically speaking, take each point into the realm of reason and balance, unlike most people here.)Anything LBS says, (because of his delusion and fundamentalist war approach) must be considered delusional paranoia, UNLESS it is backed up by other evidence NOT coming from him.LBS, (and a lot of other people here ), your only hope to retain sanity as you grow older, is to find reason, over paranoia and delusion. Find balance over imbalance.Good luck to you , with all my heart. You need it baby!To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
You know, I just can't believe that an adult would seriously make the comments that Off_world does. Does anyone know him? Is he some kind of TMO plant? If he is for real, I can't imagine his relationships! His initial posts are fine, but then his responses devolve into this immature, petty name calling that can have a rather strange logic to them. Not as bad as WD who appears to be quite disturbed, but getting out there! -Peter --- rudra_joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm, sounds like a jilted lover LB. (- Thrown Up Dinner-) From: off_world_beings To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 11:58 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Brigante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, markmeredith2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some nutjob trying to get back at the movement for some reason. More conspiracy theory lunacy . Well which is it? - either you believe it's some nutjob who did it or you don't believe it happened. That it happened is well documented and that the people it happened to are successful, well respected parents with a great family, and not nutjob crack whores are whatever you called them, is well known as well. The person who broke into their house you idiot and made the threats. Was either a lone nutjob, who is just nuts, or someone trying to hurt the movement...a nutjob. You can't jusdge the whole TMO for that. Thats just stupid. SNIP Yes, you can't blame the whole TMO for an individual act of stupidity, but in fact TM mgmt encourages thuggery by not condemning it. In fact, Bevan is one of the biggest thugs around -- for instance, asking mgmt at Globalink to fire LB (they did not comply). Lol ! Your still not gettin' it are ya Bob? LB made that crap up based on his delusional paranoia and extremist fundamentalist war against the movement. (Dr. Pete is too dumb to see it though) NO POINT EVER THAT SUPPORTS THE TMO or MAHARISHI IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER, is EVER accepted by LBS, nor EVER WILL BE. This is EXTREME FUNDAMENTALISM. PERIOD. (and before the children here retort: No, most of my posts , statistically speaking, take each point into the realm of reason and balance, unlike most people here.) Anything LBS says, (because of his delusion and fundamentalist war approach) must be considered delusional paranoia, UNLESS it is backed up by other evidence NOT coming from him. LBS, (and a lot of other people here ), your only hope to retain sanity as you grow older, is to find reason, over paranoia and delusion. Find balance over imbalance. Good luck to you , with all my heart. You need it baby! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
on 3/15/05 3:49 PM, Peter Sutphen at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now why in the world would Off_world do something rational like that. He knows he's right because he's right. Simple. He doesn't need any stupid facts. In fact IT IS YOU WHO NEEDS THE STUPID FACTS. YOU WILL NEVER,EVER,EVER BE AS SMART AS ME. YOU JUST DON'T GET IT, DO YOU RICK. YOU MUST BE A COOKIE TOO LIKE LBS, PERHAPS A BUTTERSCOTCH COOKIE, BECAUSE LBS IS A COOKIE FILED,LIKE A LETTER, IN A DRAWER WITH NUTS AND RAISINS. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! I'M A BUDDHIST! I Thanks a lot. Now I want cookies and there aren't any in the house. Prove you a saint and bring me some, LB! To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
On Mar 15, 2005, at 4:46 PM, rudra_joe wrote: I think he's Rory. I think you're right. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts on 3/15/05 5:02 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 15, 2005, at 4:46 PM, rudra_joe wrote: I think he's Rory. I think you're right. Steve, do you know Rory? I think he lives in your town. Hes a great guy. Give him a call. Have a coffee. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
on 3/13/05 3:03 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any guru who prefaces public statements with my children... loses me pretty quickly. Karunamayi uses the phrase My babies. I don't have any deep knowledge of Amma's gig, but the very distant view I have is of a pretentious attitude toward those who approach her. As I recall, for instance, someone here quoted her as having commented on Maharishi and Muktananda that she created them. Whoa. I posted that story. I heard it anecdotally. The saints referred to were Maharishi and Ramakrishna. Maharishi, in general, treats other people like adults, not as subservient children, at least in the way he addresses them. In terms of his terminology, yes, but the caste differences are greater in my experience. I've never seen him shovel shit, as Amma has literally done. I also question the ethics of any of the various gurus who have set up outposts (or inposts) in Fairfield. If they truly respected Maharishi, I think they would discourage such encroachment on the spiritual community he founded. Who said they had to respect him? Also, they were all invited by people who no longer felt that the TMO was serving their spiritual needs. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts on 3/13/05 4:13 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also question the ethics of any of the various gurus who have set up outposts (or inposts) in Fairfield. If they truly respected Maharishi, I think they would discourage such encroachment on the spiritual community he founded. I know , its like dogs feeding off the scraps from the Kings banquet. No, its like the king ran out of food a long time ago, or that many in the court found the food indigestible. So if someone comes along offering more palatable food. RIGHT ON BOB ! You hit the nail on the head there. I always thought that was a low way to proceed. Maharishi is light years ahead of these scavengers. Have you ever met any of these saints? I think you would be embarrassed at having called them scavengers. But if you want to use that term, lets say that the TMO was good at growing fruit, but lousy at picking it. Dozens of people in Fairfield who felt stuck in their evolution experienced profound, permanent awakenings through the influence of Gangaji, Saniel Bonder, etc. Others may not have awakened but found a much-needed devotional focus in Amma, Karunamayi, Shree Maa and others that the TMO was unable to offer. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
on 3/13/05 4:52 PM, easyone200 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: off_world_beings wrote Question to you LB: If I went to the Dalai Lama's ashram , or to some Tibetan monestary, or to a Hindu Temple complex, and started getting wayward followers into my own personal 'movement', how would you feel about it? My MY MY! Off world, Does Maha own the entire town? The county? State. How large is his ego complex. Moreover, it¹s my observation that there are many spiritually mature people in this town for whom distancing themselves from the TMO was an essential step in that maturation. I would hardly characterize them as wayward. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts on 3/13/05 5:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Second thing: In Rishikesh you find, more often than not, ashrams located side-by-side and in groups. In most of them, no one gets upset if the sannyasis take a few weeks of instruction at the Divine Light Mission, or (God forbid) sit in a Punditji's satsang when he's in town. The attitude is more collegial and accepting. The attitude of the TMO, by comparison, is an aberration. Theres the story of Guru Devs master allowing his students to attend another gurus lecture. And someone here posted the story of Guru Dev sending some of his disciples to get a japa mantra from another master. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts on 3/13/05 5:00 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By putting FFL out of business, I plainly meant that competitive forces have the potential to solve a great many problems that this group expends tremendous energy complaining about. I'm not against such forces. I prefer to see them unfold from the demand side rather than from the supply side. These gurus and teachers dont send scouts in to gauge the local interest. They are invited by interested locals. People bugged Ammachi to come here for years before she finally came. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts on 3/13/05 6:17 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If so, great, and I stand corrected. Various posts to FFL have led me to believe that Amma, for instance, makes periodic visits to Mount Pleasant This summer (July 3 4) will be her 4th visit, and may be her last. Nothing official on that but theres great demand for her to go to South America and other places shes never been, and she only has so much time. and that she plans to open a Fairfield Ashram and take retreats there. I must have been mistaken. Youre confusing your Ammas. Ammachi may (or may not) open an ashram here. Karunamayi may take silence here somewhere on the outskirts of town. You are right, btw, in your mention elsewhere that death threats against Amma are a crime, both legally and morally. There is absolutely no justification for such actions, and MUM should publically condemn them. To do so would be to publicly admit that they happen, which would be an embarrassment. MUM never admits embarrassing things unless under duress. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts on 3/13/05 6:40 PM, off_world_beings at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be funny if all TM'rs left Fairfield suddenly. Fairfield would be a deadzone nowhere place. Even many non-meditators would leave eventually. All that would be left are the old time Fairfielders, some crack addicts, and all the gurus would fade away back to where they came from. Enough said. Fairfield has evolved slowly but surely into an eclectic spiritual community. The TM core wont leave abruptly, so thats a moot point. It may continue to shrink while the general spiritual community (GSC) continues to grow. But even if the TM core were to experience the rapture tomorrow, I think the GSC has enough momentum to survive. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts on 3/14/05 10:54 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Karunamayi uses the phrase My babies. Yuck. Some find it endearing. I posted that story. I heard it anecdotally. The saints referred to were Maharishi and Ramakrishna. I stand corrected. Either way, whoa. From one perspective, perhaps her predominant one, she did create them (so did I). Who said they had to respect him? The don't, of course. It's just that I get the idea that at least RS offers up words of respect. Of course, he hasn't set up a Fairfield ashram nor visited the town or nearby so far as I know, so perhaps my argument doesn't really apply to him. Probably not. Maharishi was his guru. Regarding South Fallsburg, I don't know whether the TM group purchased space there before SYDA or vice versa. T TM was there first. That's cool with me, as I said before. I'm not against the competitive atmosphere, but I don't think that this or that guru should be active participants, especially since Maharishi has never done that. Does Maharishi set that standard that all gurus should follow? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts on 3/14/05 11:03 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think that the acid test is whether anyone moves into the community to be a part of the GSC who has no connection or interest in Maharishi World. I don't know. Does anyone? Yes, they do, and the frequency of this seems to be increasing. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
Title: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts on 3/14/05 11:37 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The don't, of course. It's just that I get the idea that at least RS offers up words of respect. Of course, he hasn't set up a Fairfield ashram nor visited the town or nearby so far as I know, so perhaps my argument doesn't really apply to him. Probably not. Maharishi was his guru. A relationship long since severed by the guru. Was it? I have a friend who was in the room with Pundit-Ji on several occasions when Maharishi called and they had a long friendly chat. And even if that no longer happens, has the relationship really been severed? Does Maharishi set that standard that all gurus should follow? Absolutely not. Others are free to encourage parasitism as much or as little as they like. parasitism: your bias. May not actually be the case. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
I don't have any deep knowledge of Amma's gig, but the very distant view I have is of a pretentious attitude toward those who approach her. As I recall, for instance, someone here quoted her as having commented on Maharishi and Muktananda that she created them. Whoa. I posted that story. I heard it anecdotally. The saints referred to were Maharishi and Ramakrishna. Bob Dodge of Providence, RI told me that he was the one who heard that from Amma. Amma said it to him when he was with her in India. --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 3/13/05 3:03 PM, at_man_and_brahman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any guru who prefaces public statements with my children... loses me pretty quickly. Karunamayi uses the phrase My babies. I don't have any deep knowledge of Amma's gig, but the very distant view I have is of a pretentious attitude toward those who approach her. As I recall, for instance, someone here quoted her as having commented on Maharishi and Muktananda that she created them. Whoa. I posted that story. I heard it anecdotally. The saints referred to were Maharishi and Ramakrishna. Maharishi, in general, treats other people like adults, not as subservient children, at least in the way he addresses them. In terms of his terminology, yes, but the caste differences are greater in my experience. I've never seen him shovel shit, as Amma has literally done. I also question the ethics of any of the various gurus who have set up outposts (or inposts) in Fairfield. If they truly respected Maharishi, I think they would discourage such encroachment on the spiritual community he founded. Who said they had to respect him? Also, they were all invited by people who no longer felt that the TMO was serving their spiritual needs. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
He owns the universe. The rest of us just live in it. :) Sal On Mar 13, 2005, at 4:52 PM, easyone200 wrote: My MY MY! Off world, Does Maha own the entire town? The county? State. How large is his ego complex.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
Especially if those scraps have any AK in them--then any further killing off would be obviously unnecessary. :) Sal On Mar 13, 2005, at 5:12 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, I can tell you something that really does make me angry: it makes me EXTREMELY angry that saints who have been invited to Fairfield have had their lives threatened by TM loyalists. What is the logic there? If you try to eat the scraps from our King's table, we'll kill you ?
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Regarding the Amma posts
Comment below: --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip In Rishikesh you find, more often than not, ashrams located side-by-side and in groups. In most of them, no one gets upset if the sannyasis take a few weeks of instruction at the Divine Light Mission, or (God forbid) sit in a Punditji's satsang when he's in town. The attitude is more collegial and accepting. The attitude of the TMO, by comparison, is an aberration. People on courses in India with Punditji are taken by him to various gurus and ashrams. He wants people to experience the diversity of the Divine. -Peter To answer your question: If you are invited, the choice is yours. If you are not invited, the choice is still yours, but the prospect of a welcome reception is less. Since the community of Fairfield is not an ashram, I don't see that your line of reasoning has merit. However, I can tell you something that really does make me angry: it makes me EXTREMELY angry that saints who have been invited to Fairfield have had their lives threatened by TM loyalists. What is the logic there? If you try to eat the scraps from our King's table, we'll kill you ? L B S To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/ To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
