Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving ????
on 5/22/05 9:03 AM, t3rinity at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks. Knowledgeable posts like this enrich FFL tremendously. You may also remember that Guru Dev was born in Ayodhya, the bithplace of Raama, and would be naturally familiar with the Ramayana and the Ramacharitmanas. I heard that the Ramacharitmanas was his favorite book. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving ????
On May 22, 2005, at 7:57 PM, bbrigante wrote: Guru Dev was said to have attended Sanksrit school at age 8, so he would have been familiar with the Ramayana because of his education, but don't all Hindus have a pretty good familiarity with the story of Rama and Sita? Yeah, but that doesn't mean M. gave out the mantra 'Jai Ram, Jai Jai Ram...' as a mantra... To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving ????
It's hard to say for certain without either a Sanskrit picture of the mantra or a good HK transliteration. I know Swami Rama's tradition would give the fire mantra to students, often with interesting results--if you had a lot of undigested anger/firey emotions, it would stir that up and then the student would have to be stabilized with another mantra. On May 20, 2005, at 11:56 PM, Rick Archer wrote: Ram is a fire mantra? on 5/20/05 8:50 PM, Vaj at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah--fire mantra. Give it to someone with anger or a screwed up mars and they'll have anything other than peace of mind--although they'll GIVE you a piece of their mind... On May 20, 2005, at 6:43 PM, Llundrub wrote: http://minet.org/mantras.html - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving Was it Raam or Ram? On May 20, 2005, at 5:48 PM, johnlasher20002000 wrote: Why did he stop using Raam and switch to the bijas. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links -- Rick Archer SearchSummit 1108 South B Street Fairfield, IA 52556 Phone: 641-472-9336 Fax: 815-472-5842 http://searchsummit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving
--- anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter Sutphen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry, but this attitude you have really bugs the bejesus out of me. Go figure. -Peter pissy pants Those things that really bug us are usually (always ?) born of samsaras, things yet to be resolved. But samsara is the cause of bondage. Yet you believe you are beyond bondage. I know the story that all these personality traits and quirks are just lesha-vidya. Could it be you are confusing lesha-vidya for deep rooted, yet to be resolved samsara? I don't know. ;-) To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving
The mantras we use are not bija mantras. - Original Message - From: Rick Archer To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving on 5/20/05 10:46 AM, gerbal88 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He started out with a single `way' of using one mantra, ram /raam/.I've heard this before (from you?). Was this the mantra being given when youwere around? When did it change to the bija mantras now used? (And beingused in 1968 when I learned.) Which were your 10 years? Where? UK?To subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving ????
Was it Raam or Ram? On May 20, 2005, at 5:48 PM, johnlasher20002000 wrote: Why did he stop using Raam and switch to the bijas. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving ????
Yeah--fire mantra. Give it to someone with anger or a screwed up mars and they'll have anything other than peace of mind--although they'll GIVE you a piece of their mind... On May 20, 2005, at 6:43 PM, Llundrub wrote: http://minet.org/mantras.html - Original Message - From: Vaj To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving Was it Raam or Ram? On May 20, 2005, at 5:48 PM, johnlasher20002000 wrote: Why did he stop using Raam and switch to the bijas. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving
--- lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM is like diving; jump and the rest is taken care of. It's laws of nature operating. Like gravity the result is inevitable; you fall into transcendence. More interestingly I find that these simple principles are being challenged here on FFL by Vaj and others. It is like they say; no, gravity does not excist ! With motifs I do not want to speculate. But they seem to be operating fulltime. Lups, you do this all the time. When someone doesn't agree with your beliefs or understanding you question their motives or refer to them as a young soul. Doesn't that strike you as rather arrogant? Vaj and others are just pointing out that there is a very, very subtle intent (i.e., effort) in TM. That's all. They are discriminating within the experience of TM. You seem to be a fundamentalist who is more concerned with the purity of your dogma than authentic experiencing and the growth of understanding and insight. As if you already have all the answers. Sorry, but this attitude you have really bugs the bejesus out of me. Go figure. -Peter pissy pants To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving
And the 1000 eyed demon that he sends to me is probably my best friend too! I want him to be open-minded and considerate. Why? What's my problem? --- Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lups is gonna freak out when the huge 1000 eyed demon comes not realizing that it's his best friend. - Original Message - From: Peter Sutphen To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving --- lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM is like diving; jump and the rest is taken care of. It's laws of nature operating. Like gravity the result is inevitable; you fall into transcendence. More interestingly I find that these simple principles are being challenged here on FFL by Vaj and others. It is like they say; no, gravity does not excist ! With motifs I do not want to speculate. But they seem to be operating fulltime. Lups, you do this all the time. When someone doesn't agree with your beliefs or understanding you question their motives or refer to them as a young soul. Doesn't that strike you as rather arrogant? Vaj and others are just pointing out that there is a very, very subtle intent (i.e., effort) in TM. That's all. They are discriminating within the experience of TM. You seem to be a fundamentalist who is more concerned with the purity of your dogma than authentic experiencing and the growth of understanding and insight. As if you already have all the answers. Sorry, but this attitude you have really bugs the bejesus out of me. Go figure. -Peter pissy pants To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Mail Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour: http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.html To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving
I was just joking. But I'm sure the 1000 eyed demon friend is somewhere in incarnation somewhere. It would suck to think one was going to Maitreya's house and have the 1000 eyed demon open the door. Well, it would only suck if one didn't recognize the 100 eyed demon as - Original Message - From: Peter Sutphen To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:06 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving And the 1000 eyed demon that he sends to me isprobably my best friend too! I want him to beopen-minded and considerate. Why? What's my problem? --- Llundrub [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lups is gonna freak out when the huge 1000 eyed demon comes not realizing that it's his best friend. - Original Message - From: Peter Sutphen To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving--- lupidus108 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TM is like diving; jump and the rest is taken care of. It's laws of nature operating. Like gravity the result is inevitable; you fall into transcendence. More interestingly I find that these simple principles are being challenged here on FFL by Vaj and others. It is like they say; no, gravity does not excist !With motifs I do not want to speculate. But they seem to be operating fulltime. Lups, you do this all the time. When someone doesn't agree with your beliefs or understanding you question their motives or refer to them as a young soul. Doesn't that strike you as rather arrogant? Vaj and others are just pointing out that there is a very, very subtle intent (i.e., effort) in TM. That's all. They are discriminating within the experience of TM. You seem to be a fundamentalist who is more concerned with the purity of your dogma than authentic experiencing and the growth of understanding and insight. As if you already have all the answers. Sorry, but this attitude you have really bugs the bejesus out of me. Go figure. -Peter pissy pants To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! MailStay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour:http://tour.mail.yahoo.com/mailtour.htmlTo subscribe, send a message to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/and click 'Join This Group!' To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving
On May 19, 2005, at 3:32 PM, lupidus108 wrote: More interestingly I find that these simple principles are being challenged here on FFL by Vaj and others. It is like they say; no, gravity does not excist ! No, just that there are different types of meditation. For some reason the technique of TM is being construed as being effortless -- when there is a whole other style of meditation that IS effortless. Therefore it is only natural to ask the question: why would they want to construe themselves or get people to believe this is what they are? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: TM and effortless diving
On May 19, 2005, at 4:10 PM, lupidus108 wrote: For which I presume he is well paid. I might be wrong, but probably not. Maharishi 666 and Maitreya 666 pay me very well. sinister laughter To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
