Re: [FairfieldLife] What you are ignorant about will kill you
I understand the argument and have long recognized that Islam is more than a religion but a political group. But what do you do about the 85% who pay lip service? What do you do about the friend who comes from an Islamic family and when you ask them about don't know much because the family didn't practice it. Or they tell they can't remember the last time they visited a mosque, maybe it was when they were a kid and their parents sent them once to find out what it was about And then they ask if you would like a beer? If you want to be democratic about it, get rid of all religion. Delegate it to museums and history books. We have psychology to replace it as long as big pharma doesn't take it over for profit and make if very Huxlian. After all religion is a mind control device invented some time in the deep dark past when a ruler worried his subjects were going to come kill him and take over his kingdom decided to tell the subjects if the did bad things they would be punished for it after death. On 09/21/2014 05:10 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: *What I Have Learned Since 9-11 http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/09/what-i-have-learned-since-9-11.html * I was on my way back from a vacation when the first plane hit the World Trade Center. My wife and I were listening to music on a CD and enjoyed our ride home, and knew nothing about it. When we got home, we listened to our messages. The first two were from family members hysterically crying, We've been attacked! America is at war! My first thought, of course, was the ever-eloquent, What the fuck!?! We watched the news, and I was baffled. Why would anyone do such a thing? I was about as ignorant about this as someone can be. But I'm a learner. It's what I like to do. And since that day, I've learned a lot. I learned that this was not an isolated incident. Attacks had become more frequent and more deadly over the years. I just hadn't noticed. And I eventually learned that this is not just a problem of generic terrorism, but a global movement based on Citizen Warrior: The Quran's Last Word on Non-Muslims http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2010/09/qurans-last-word-on-non-muslims.html and the example of Muhammad http://www.inquiryintoislam.com/2010/08/sacredness-of-mohammads-example.html. I learned that Islam is a unique religion because it's a political system and a system of law as well as being what most people would call a religion. Its goal is world domination, it has explicit permission for (and approval of) violence in its holy books, and it is intolerant of non-Muslims. Its laws even include legally-imposed discrimination against non-Muslims (and all women). (Read more about that here http://www.inquiryintoislam.com/2010/11/basic-elements-of-islam.html.) I learned that an almost-uninterrupted jihad has been waged against non-Muslims for 1400 years http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/12/third-jihad.html. The attacks are near constant. So far since 9-11, Jihadis have carried out 23,795 http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks deadly attacks. Most of us don't see it as a war. We see isolated attacks. If you take in the whole global view http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2007/09/these-arent-terrorist-attacks-this-is.html, however, or listen to the point of view of a Jihadi http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/09/what-is-jihadi.html, or read this http://thereligionofpeace.com/, you will see it for what it is: A global war — orthodox Muslims http://www.inquiryintoislam.com/2010/07/orthodox-versus-heterodox-muslims.html against everybody else. The majority of the conflicts in the world today consist of Jihadis http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/09/what-is-jihadi.html fighting non-Muslims or Muslims who are considered insufficiently Islamic. If you removed jihad from the world right now, it would be a fairly peaceful place. I also learned that one of the main reasons democracies have so much trouble dealing with Jihadis is because of an important conflict within democracies http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2007/09/why-now-islams-rise-explained.html. Specifically, most people in the free world believe 1) everyone has a right to worship as they wish, and 2) discrimination of any kind is wrong. These are important foundational principles of liberal democracies around the world. Why is this a problem? Because the simplest way to deal with Islam would be to discriminate against it. In other words, to openly admit Islam is unique (because of its political aspirations and religious duty to overthrow all other forms of law and government), and stop all concessions to Islam http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/08/concession-stand.html and roll back any concessions already made http://concess.blogspot.com/. We can't do that because it violates important values of our societies. Or does it necessarily? This dialog needs to happen and solutions need to be created for it.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What you are ignorant about will kill you
Be prepared to be called a xenophobic bigot. However, I'm with you, for the very reasons you explained. Where ever Islam goes, it's adherents are peaceful but when they reach a certain saturation point, not necassarily a majority, they become more militant, demanding their rights as Muslims, which eventually will deny everybody else of their rights. Submission. On Sunday, September 21, 2014 5:15 PM, emptyb...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What I Have Learned Since 9-11 I was on my way back from a vacation when the first plane hit the World Trade Center. My wife and I were listening to music on a CD and enjoyed our ride home, and knew nothing about it. When we got home, we listened to our messages. The first two were from family members hysterically crying, We've been attacked! America is at war! My first thought, of course, was the ever-eloquent, What the fuck!?! We watched the news, and I was baffled. Why would anyone do such a thing? I was about as ignorant about this as someone can be. But I'm a learner. It's what I like to do. And since that day, I've learned a lot. I learned that this was not an isolated incident. Attacks had become more frequent and more deadly over the years. I just hadn't noticed. And I eventually learned that this is not just a problem of generic terrorism, but a global movement based on Citizen Warrior: The Quran's Last Word on Non-Muslims and the example of Muhammad. I learned that Islam is a unique religion because it's a political system and a system of law as well as being what most people would call a religion. Its goal is world domination, it has explicit permission for (and approval of) violence in its holy books, and it is intolerant of non-Muslims. Its laws even include legally-imposed discrimination against non-Muslims (and all women). (Read more about that here.) I learned that an almost-uninterrupted jihad has been waged against non-Muslims for 1400 years. The attacks are near constant. So far since 9-11, Jihadis have carried out 23,795 deadly attacks. Most of us don't see it as a war. We see isolated attacks. If you take in the whole global view, however, or listen to the point of view of a Jihadi, or read this, you will see it for what it is: A global war — orthodox Muslims against everybody else. The majority of the conflicts in the world today consist of Jihadis fighting non-Muslims or Muslims who are considered insufficiently Islamic. If you removed jihad from the world right now, it would be a fairly peaceful place. I also learned that one of the main reasons democracies have so much trouble dealing with Jihadis is because of an important conflict within democracies. Specifically, most people in the free world believe 1) everyone has a right to worship as they wish, and 2) discrimination of any kind is wrong. These are important foundational principles of liberal democracies around the world. Why is this a problem? Because the simplest way to deal with Islam would be to discriminate against it. In other words, to openly admit Islam is unique (because of its political aspirations and religious duty to overthrow all other forms of law and government), and stop all concessions to Islam and roll back any concessions already made. We can't do that because it violates important values of our societies. Or does it necessarily? This dialog needs to happen and solutions need to be created for it. But of course, that can't happen as long as the majority of people in free countries remain ignorant of the most elementary facets of Islam. And it's not just ignorance. Many people have a real resistance to hearing anything about it because even talking about it seems to violate the principles of decency and kindness! So the final thing I've learned is that the solution to this problem starts with a grassroots movement: Those who know something about Islam's dangers to the free world must talk to people who don't, and successfully educate them. Once enough people are educated, national conversations can happen that could result in new, carefully-crafted policies that retain our democratic freedoms while limiting the destructive and insidious encroachment of orthodox Islam.
Re: [FairfieldLife] What you are ignorant about will kill you
This was not written by me - although I wish it was. I decided to strike out the identifiers so that readers here could read the piece as is without looking up the website to know if they should first agree or disagree. Unfortunately that happens here - all too often. The missing final sentence was: If you want to participate in this grassroots movement (and I hope you do), start here: Citizen Warrior: What Non-Muslims Can Do About Islam http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/09/what-can-civilian-really-do.html This is a multi-generational war for the life of Western civilization. We could actually live (or die) while watching this happen. http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/09/what-can-civilian-really-do.html Citizen Warrior: What Non-Muslims Can Do Abou... http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/09/what-can-civilian-really-do.html Not only are some people killing non-Muslims in the name of Islam (in impressive numbers) but some are doing something less newsworthy but potenti... View on www.citizenwarrior... http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/09/what-can-civilian-really-do.html Preview by Yahoo
Re: [FairfieldLife] What you are ignorant about will kill you
If someone blew away my house and family, or my whole neighborhood, with a missile, or a smart bomb, I'd want revenge. The soldiers say that on the ground, for every civilian killed, this results in the creation of two enemies. Do the math. I think anyone looks like a fanatic, when the war is in their backyard. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, mdixon.6569@... wrote : Be prepared to be called a xenophobic bigot. However, I'm with you, for the very reasons you explained. Where ever Islam goes, it's adherents are peaceful but when they reach a certain saturation point, not necassarily a majority, they become more militant, demanding their rights as Muslims, which eventually will deny everybody else of their rights. Submission. On Sunday, September 21, 2014 5:15 PM, emptybill@... [FairfieldLife] FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com wrote: What I Have Learned Since 9-11 http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/09/what-i-have-learned-since-9-11.html I was on my way back from a vacation when the first plane hit the World Trade Center. My wife and I were listening to music on a CD and enjoyed our ride home, and knew nothing about it. When we got home, we listened to our messages. The first two were from family members hysterically crying, We've been attacked! America is at war! My first thought, of course, was the ever-eloquent, What the fuck!?! We watched the news, and I was baffled. Why would anyone do such a thing? I was about as ignorant about this as someone can be. But I'm a learner. It's what I like to do. And since that day, I've learned a lot. I learned that this was not an isolated incident. Attacks had become more frequent and more deadly over the years. I just hadn't noticed. And I eventually learned that this is not just a problem of generic terrorism, but a global movement based on Citizen Warrior: The Quran's Last Word on Non-Muslims http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2010/09/qurans-last-word-on-non-muslims.html and the example of Muhammad http://www.inquiryintoislam.com/2010/08/sacredness-of-mohammads-example.html. I learned that Islam is a unique religion because it's a political system and a system of law as well as being what most people would call a religion. Its goal is world domination, it has explicit permission for (and approval of) violence in its holy books, and it is intolerant of non-Muslims. Its laws even include legally-imposed discrimination against non-Muslims (and all women). (Read more about that here http://www.inquiryintoislam.com/2010/11/basic-elements-of-islam.html.) I learned that an almost-uninterrupted jihad has been waged against non-Muslims for 1400 years http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/12/third-jihad.html. The attacks are near constant. So far since 9-11, Jihadis have carried out 23,795 http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks deadly attacks. Most of us don't see it as a war. We see isolated attacks. If you take in the whole global view http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2007/09/these-arent-terrorist-attacks-this-is.html, however, or listen to the point of view of a Jihadi http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/09/what-is-jihadi.html, or read this http://thereligionofpeace.com/, you will see it for what it is: A global war — orthodox Muslims http://www.inquiryintoislam.com/2010/07/orthodox-versus-heterodox-muslims.html against everybody else. The majority of the conflicts in the world today consist of Jihadis http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/09/what-is-jihadi.html fighting non-Muslims or Muslims who are considered insufficiently Islamic. If you removed jihad from the world right now, it would be a fairly peaceful place. I also learned that one of the main reasons democracies have so much trouble dealing with Jihadis is because of an important conflict within democracies http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2007/09/why-now-islams-rise-explained.html. Specifically, most people in the free world believe 1) everyone has a right to worship as they wish, and 2) discrimination of any kind is wrong. These are important foundational principles of liberal democracies around the world. Why is this a problem? Because the simplest way to deal with Islam would be to discriminate against it. In other words, to openly admit Islam is unique (because of its political aspirations and religious duty to overthrow all other forms of law and government), and stop all concessions to Islam http://www.citizenwarrior.com/2008/08/concession-stand.html and roll back any concessions already made http://concess.blogspot.com/. We can't do that because it violates important values of our societies. Or does it necessarily? This dialog needs to happen and solutions need to be created for it. But of course, that can't happen as long as the majority of people in free countries remain ignorant of the most elementary facets of Islam. And it's not just ignorance. Many people have a real resistance
