subject:"Re\: \[FairfieldLife\] Re\: Meditation for kids"






Best thing, take them to high 
power Vajrayana teachings with HHDL, HH Penor Rinpoche, and so on and let them 
take the highest tantric empowerments as seeds for 
liberation.

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  Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:21 
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  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation 
  for kids
  well 2500$ is over my budget for this, so I'm 
  looking elsewhere;but thanks for the info.--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED]... wrote: on 
  4/13/05 9:20 AM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:hi,  I have a 8 y.o boy that I 
  believe meditation should be a benefit for  him. If anyone has 
  experience or information with what type of  meditation is 
  appropriate for a western kid at that age and would like  to 
  share his/hers ideas it would be appreciated.  There's a TM 
  children's technique, if you can get a renegade TM teacher to 
  teach it to him. Otherwise it's $2500.To 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids






There's plenty of renegade TM 
teachers. Rick can prolly refer you to some. Don't give up hope for TM. 


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  Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:23 
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  Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation 
  for kids
  Do you think that a trained Sidha can teach kids TM 
  without the puja to be effective? or it is important that the kid have an 
  accommodating mantra chosen by a TM-teacher?--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  m2smart4u2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... 
  wrote:  --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
  anonymousff [EMAIL PROTECTED]...  
  wrote:  hi,  I have a 8 
  y.o boy that I believe meditation should be a benefit for   
  him. If anyone has experience or information with what type of   
  meditation is appropriate for a western kid at that age and would  
  like   to share his/hers ideas it would be appreciated. 
   Walking Word of Wisdom is the TM taught to children under age 10, 
  they  do this "meditation" while playing or walking around for 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids


on 4/13/05 12:23 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
 Do you think that a trained Sidha can teach kids TM without the puja
 to be effective? or it is important that the kid have an
 accommodating  mantra chosen by a TM-teacher?

I would say the latter.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids

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on 4/13/05 12:29 PM, rudra_joe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

There's plenty of renegade TM teachers. Rick can prolly refer you to some. Don't give up hope for TM. 
 
If he can tell us where he is (wouldnt need to tell us who he is) perhaps someone on this list in that area could speak up. Or they could contact each other on the side or through me.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids



On Apr 13, 2005, at 1:28 PM, anonymousff wrote:

 Thanks, I'll check to see if they have it in my area.

Where do you live?



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids

2005-04-13 Thread Peter Sutphen



--- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 on 4/13/05 12:23 PM, anonymousff at
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  Do you think that a trained Sidha can teach kids
 TM without the puja
  to be effective? or it is important that the kid
 have an
  accommodating  mantra chosen by a TM-teacher?
 
 I would say the latter.

The shakti of the mantra is instilled during the puja.




 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids

On Apr 13, 2005, at 1:43 PM, anonymousff wrote:

remember we are talking about bright and happy 8 y.o. and I
don't want to mess his mind with non-dualism and such or too abstract
ideas, just wish for him a practice to have him feel his inner
spiritual core
that is beauty and joy beyond the relative ups and downs.
also to empower his ability to focus and concentrate on a task
without being distracted etc. I hope you get my grip..

Here's the letter the parental units get:

Children's Course Parent / Guardian Information Letter

The childrens course offers young people between the ages 8 and 12 years old an introduction to Anapana meditation, which is a practice of the observation of natural breath to concentrate the mind. They will learn to practice Anapana and begin to take their first steps on the path of Dhamma. The entire path of Dhamma, rediscovered and taught by Gotama the Buddha more than 2500 years ago, is a universal remedy for universal problems and has nothing to do with any organized religion or sectarian tradition. For this reason, it can be practiced freely by all, in any place, at any time. Its practice does not conflict with any race, community or religion and will prove equally beneficial to one and all.

Young people who have started practicing Anapana have realized many benefits. Their ability to concentrate becomes enhanced, their memory gets sharper, their ability to comprehend a subject improves and they become calmer. In general, they feel they have a practical tool to use in the face of any type of adversity or challenge.

During the course, there will be meditation instructions as well as other activities such as games, art, and storytelling. The children will be divided into groups according to their age for many activities. They will be assigned counselors who will personally accompany and assist them throughout the course, providing support and guidance as needed.

The intent of the childrens course is serious. It is not appropriate for children who are too young or otherwise unable to follow directions or to participate in organized, self-modulating activities. It is also not appropriate for children who are unable to understand the meaning or purpose of the daily timetable and Code of Conduct. Segregation of the sexes will be maintained at all times in the accommodations as well as in the meditation hall and during much of the course.

It is not mandatory that a parent or guardian accompanies your child to the course. Parents or guardians who are students of Goenkaji or his assistant teachers are welcome to stay at the center and participate in work projects. Since parents or guardians will not be participating in the course, they will follow a separate schedule. They will also be accommodated separately from the children. Only those children who feel comfortable staying in separate accommodations from their parents are encouraged to attend. We ask that parents and affiliated adults refrain from communicating with or contacting their children throughout the course.
Parents or guardians who have not completed a ten-day course with Goenkaji or his assistant teachers are welcome to stay with their children during registration, but should then leave the center until the course is over. There are numerous hotels, motels and campsites in the area.

Before applying for the course, please make sure that both you and your child have read and understood the Code of Conduct and Sample Timetable.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids


on 4/13/05 12:43 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 remember we are talking about bright and happy 8 y.o. and I
 don't want to mess his mind with non-dualism and such or too abstract
 ideas, just wish for him a practice to have him feel his inner
 spiritual core
 that is beauty and joy beyond the relative ups and downs.
 also to empower his ability to focus and concentrate on a task
 without being distracted etc.  I hope you get my grip..
 
Another thing you might consider is taking him for Ammachi's darshan this
summer: http://amma.org/tours/amma-tours/n_america.html. She's great with
kids and might plant a spiritual seed in him.





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids

2005-04-13 Thread Don




Rick Archer wrote:

 on 4/13/05 12:23 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 
  Do you think that a trained Sidha can teach kids TM without the puja
  to be effective? or it is important that the kid have an
  accommodating  mantra chosen by a TM-teacher?

 I would say the latter.


Me, too.



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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids


on 4/13/05 12:50 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 We live in New Jersey, I know a TM teacher in NY I was planning
 to contact, I'll see if he can come with a figure that is close
 to the market value.
 I wonder when they will be at the malls if they will adjust the
 prices.

Wayback, on this list, lives in NJ, and might be willing to teach him the TM
children's technique. North or south Jersey?





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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids






Huh? I have no idea. I 
learned TM at fifteen. I know that I feel no stigma teaching TM to my kids, even 
though I feel no especial love for Maharishi's version of his fantasy holt 
tradition, and when I do I'll give them Saraswati mantra and then change it to 
Mahalakshmi mantra when they are older. 

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  Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:45 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 
  Meditation for kids
  On Apr 13, 2005, at 1:29 PM, rudra_joe wrote:
  Don't 
give up hope for TM.Do you 
  feel the walking meditation is effective w/o the sitting 
component?


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids






Or so you were told. My take 
however, not that I'm a Hindu or anything, is that Shakti Kundalini is inherent 
in the Sri Vidya nirguna mantras, which is what TM mantras are for the most part 
except for Maharishi's original Shyam and Shayama, and Ram. Later he learned 
better (prolly found some document).

And when one person who rides the 
snake hands the mantra off to another person then they too get zapped. No fake 
HT needed.

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  Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:48 
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  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 
  Meditation for kids
  --- Rick Archer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:  on 4/13/05 12:23 PM, anonymousff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:   Do you think that a 
  trained Sidha can teach kids TM without the puja  to be 
  effective? or it is important that the kid have an  
  accommodating mantra chosen by a TM-teacher?  I would 
  say the latter.The shakti of the mantra is instilled during the 
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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids






That sounds cool as the kid has 
peers and doesn't learn the method from uncaring adults who give one spewed 
bottled directives from a fake master. The child can learn with other like 
minded kids and develop relationships within the meditation. this sort of 
mindfulness is great. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Vaj 
  To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 12:49 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 
  Meditation for kids
  On Apr 13, 2005, at 1:43 PM, anonymousff wrote:
  remember we are talking about bright and happy 8 y.o. and I 
don't want to mess his mind with non-dualism and such or too 
abstractideas, just wish for him a practice to have him feel his inner 
spiritual corethat is beauty and joy beyond the relative ups and 
downs.also to empower his ability to focus and concentrate on a 
taskwithout being distracted etc. I hope you get my 
  grip..Here's the letter the parental units get:Children's 
  Course Parent / Guardian Information LetterThe 
  childrens course offers young people between the ages 8 and 12 years old an 
  introduction to Anapana meditation, which is a practice of the observation of 
  natural breath to concentrate the mind. They will learn to practice Anapana 
  and begin to take their first steps on the path of Dhamma. The entire path of 
  Dhamma, rediscovered and taught by Gotama the Buddha more than 2500 years ago, 
  is a universal remedy for universal problems and has nothing to do with any 
  organized religion or sectarian tradition. For this reason, it can be 
  practiced freely by all, in any place, at any time. Its practice does not 
  conflict with any race, community or religion and will prove equally 
  beneficial to one and all.Young people who have started practicing 
  Anapana have realized many benefits. Their ability to concentrate becomes 
  enhanced, their memory gets sharper, their ability to comprehend a subject 
  improves and they become calmer. In general, they feel they have a practical 
  tool to use in the face of any type of adversity or challenge.During 
  the course, there will be meditation instructions as well as other activities 
  such as games, art, and storytelling. The children will be divided into groups 
  according to their age for many activities. They will be assigned counselors 
  who will personally accompany and assist them throughout the course, providing 
  support and guidance as needed.The intent of the childrens course is 
  serious. It is not appropriate for children who are too young or otherwise 
  unable to follow directions or to participate in organized, self-modulating 
  activities. It is also not appropriate for children who are unable to 
  understand the meaning or purpose of the daily timetable and Code of Conduct. 
  Segregation of the sexes will be maintained at all times in the accommodations 
  as well as in the meditation hall and during much of the course.It is 
  not mandatory that a parent or guardian accompanies your child to the course. 
  Parents or guardians who are students of Goenkaji or his assistant teachers 
  are welcome to stay at the center and participate in work projects. Since 
  parents or guardians will not be participating in the course, they will follow 
  a separate schedule. They will also be accommodated separately from the 
  children. Only those children who feel comfortable staying in separate 
  accommodations from their parents are encouraged to attend. We ask that 
  parents and affiliated adults refrain from communicating with or contacting 
  their children throughout the course. Parents or guardians who have not 
  completed a ten-day course with Goenkaji or his assistant teachers are welcome 
  to stay with their children during registration, but should then leave the 
  center until the course is over. There are numerous hotels, motels and 
  campsites in the area.Before applying for the course, please make 
  sure that both you and your child have read and understood the Code of Conduct 
  and Sample 
Timetable.


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Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids


On Apr 13, 2005, at 2:19 PM, rudra_joe wrote:

Or so you were told.

No he's telling it like it is--the TM puja is both an invocation of the lineage and a prana-pratishtha rite to establish the shakti in the mantra.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids


On Apr 13, 2005, at 2:21 PM, rudra_joe wrote:

That sounds cool as the kid has peers and doesn't learn the method from uncaring adults who give one spewed bottled directives from a fake master. The child can learn with other like minded kids and develop relationships within the meditation. this sort of mindfulness is great. 

What's also nice is that when s/he gets older and if s/he wants, they can go on the 10-day course for which they take no money up front--only a donation at the very end. That way you get the whole thing, the real thing.

Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditation for kids






Or so it's said, if one doesn't 
understand that the Holy Tradition, all Holy Traditions are here and now, not 
there and then, then of course they must invoke something. 
Hahahhaha.

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  Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 1:30 
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  Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: 
  Meditation for kids
  On Apr 13, 2005, at 2:19 PM, rudra_joe wrote:
  Or 
so you were told.No he's 
  telling it like it is--the TM puja is both an invocation of the lineage and a 
  prana-pratishtha rite to establish the shakti in the 
mantra.


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