Re: Mascot

2007-03-20 Thread Nicu Buculei

Kelly wrote:
If we're discussing the concept of a mascot, I'll just post the link to my 
personal favourite wallpaper on Fedora:


Wow! I like those.


http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/28920609/?qo=23q=by%3Ajuzo-kunqh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps

And of course...

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/28920887/?qo=22q=by%3Ajuzo-kunqh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps

Though I suspect that's not exactly what you're looking for...


Unfortunately.

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Re: Mascot

2007-03-20 Thread Nicu Buculei

Nicu Buculei wrote:

John Baer wrote:
I see the need for some wiki pages to hold ideas/submissions and 
someone to coordinate the effort. Do you have an interest in leading 
the artTeam on this one?


Yes, I am very interested to work on this, just yesterday was not a good 
day for the task.


I got the time to start something: 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Mascot


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Re: Fedora Firefox Start Page

2007-03-20 Thread Máirín Duffy

Hi John,

Nicu Buculei wrote:

John Baer wrote:

I use the http://www.google.com/firefox page to perform searches using
google and I considered if many others do the same.


By default we ship Firefox to load a local Fedora-specific landing page. 
Dimitris worked on this for FC6. You may want to discuss its design for 
F7 (although at this point it's a bit late in the release cycle.)


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Re: Mascot

2007-03-20 Thread Máirín Duffy

Nicu Buculei wrote:

Máirí­n Duffy wrote:
The marketing-list thread seems very focused on animals; a mascot 
could be a character too, though, right?


My vision is like this: even if we and with an animal, it has to be 
anthropomorphic so we can use it in various situations: fix servers, 
kick Clippy's behind, racing the Daemon and other funny situations.


Hehe +1, they've got to be able to do stuff.

They've got these cute little tofu-like characters in them that 
represent systems. Very simple, but cute, and I think they bring a 
friendly face to the product. I think that is kind of what we are 
looking for, right?


I think so, but with a cuter character.


Does it have to be cute? Can it be someone very smart / cool / funny but 
perhaps not cute? E.g., ipod kind of has the dancing people 
(http://images.google.com/images?q=ipod+peoplehl=enclient=firefox-arls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialhs=5fKum=1sa=Xoi=imagesct=title), 



I guess it might be easier to sketch some different possibilities and 
send them out first :)


A problem I see: we as a team are spread around the world, so the 
characters/mascots, TV commercials and products we see every day are not 
exactly the same so we really need to use something like youtube.


See, I don't see this as a problem at all. It's a totally sweet advantage :)


OK, now I head to the wiki and start a page there...

+1

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Re: Fedora Firefox Start Page

2007-03-20 Thread John Baer

Mo wrote:

By default we ship Firefox to load a local Fedora-specific landing page.
Dimitris worked on this for FC6. You may want to discuss its design for
F7 (although at this point it's a bit late in the release cycle.)

+1

Things are piling up anyway. I have FC6 how-to's I want to create and it
looks like we have a mascot to create!

:)

John
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Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle

2007-03-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram

Joachim Frieben wrote:
Bluecurve was done almost entirely by a single person - Garrett LeSage, 
who does not work for Red Hat anymore. Fedora itself has moved to using 
Clearlooks for GNOME and possibly Plastik for KDE in Fedora 7 which is 
the default upstream themes. The Bluecurve icon set has also been 
replace by Echo in the current development tree.


However, the Bluecurve icon theme was and still is the default icon theme for all RHEL versions 
including 5 [supported until *2014*], and therefore certainly deserves some maintenance either by the 
Fedora community or Red Hat its
At least keep symlinks up to date as in the case of Places  CD/DVD 
Creator which used to show the correct Bluecurve icon up to FC5 
but now uses a Tango one even when the Bluecurve icon theme has been 
chosen.


What RHEL ships is completely irrelevant to fedora-art list. So if you 
want to file bugs in Bluecurve icons for RHEL, you should use Red Hat 
support channels or bugzilla for RHEL as appropriate.  For FC5 it is 
pretty much in a freeze where security bugs are fixed and such cosmetic 
issues wont get much attention so late in the release lifecycle.


Rahul

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Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle

2007-03-20 Thread Joachim Frieben
 At least keep symlinks up to date as in the case of Places  CD/DVD 
 Creator which used to show the correct Bluecurve icon up to FC5 
 but now uses a Tango one even when the Bluecurve icon theme has been 
 chosen.
 
 What RHEL ships is completely irrelevant to fedora-art list. So if you 
 want to file bugs in Bluecurve icons for RHEL, you should use Red Hat 
 support channels or bugzilla for RHEL as appropriate.  For FC5 it is 
 pretty much in a freeze where security bugs are fixed and such cosmetic 
 issues wont get much attention so late in the release lifecycle.
 
 Rahul

Huh? I actually wrote that the CD/DVD  Creator icon in FC5 is the right 
one - the opposite of what you assert! Things broke later, namely in FC6 for 
which I posted a bug report [#230002] 4 weeks ago.
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Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle

2007-03-20 Thread Kelly
To be entirely honest, IMO the default for KDE should be Klearlooks for the 
widgets at least.  I have a really effective Dekorator theme which makes KDE 
windows look like GNOME/Clearlook windows, too...

On Monday, March 19, 2007 4:09 am Rahul Sundaram wrote:
 Bluecurve was done almost entirely by a single person - Garrett LeSage,
 who does not work for Red Hat anymore. Fedora itself has moved to using
 Clearlooks for GNOME and possibly Plastik for KDE in Fedora 7 which is
 the default upstream themes. The Bluecurve icon set has also been
 replace by Echo in the current development tree.


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Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle

2007-03-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram

Kelly wrote:
To be entirely honest, IMO the default for KDE should be Klearlooks for the 
widgets at least.  I have a really effective Dekorator theme which makes KDE 
windows look like GNOME/Clearlook windows, too...


If you are serious about this proposal, you should work with the KDE SIG 
and discuss this in the periodical meetings they have. A default theme 
is something that should be taken very seriously since it affects the 
look and feel, quality etc. At the minimum it should atleast be 
available in the Fedora repository. We are very near the feature freeze 
for Fedora 7 too.


Rahul

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Re: animation

2007-03-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram

Jack Daniels wrote:

Hi there

I saw Fedora 7 default artwork and it was rely great, I couldn’t believe 
then from that start we will have something like that while I was 
looking work on progress for art work on fedora 7.


While I look on that balloon I feel like it moves slowly and I was 
thinking how about to make an animated short clip for promoting Fedora 7.


So what you think if we start an animated clip for Fedora 7 and to make 
more complete marketing campaign before lunching a new version of Fedora?


Good idea. Are you interested in doing this? Perhaps you can coordinate 
in fedora-marketing list.


Rahul

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Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle

2007-03-20 Thread Kelly
Uh... you didn't accidentally assume I have = I designed, did you?

At any rate, I meant in Fedora, because Klearlooks is the KDE equivalent of 
Clearlooks, which is what Fedora is using as default in GNOME.  I notice that 
generally, it does a good job of unifying the appearance of programs (though 
I am mainly a KDE user, I use GTK+ programs as well, so it's nice to have a 
setup like Bluecurve/QtCurve/*looks to keep the programs looking the same).

On Tuesday, March 20, 2007 3:45 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote:
 Kelly wrote:
  To be entirely honest, IMO the default for KDE should be Klearlooks for
  the widgets at least.  I have a really effective Dekorator theme which
  makes KDE windows look like GNOME/Clearlook windows, too...

 If you are serious about this proposal, you should work with the KDE SIG
 and discuss this in the periodical meetings they have. A default theme
 is something that should be taken very seriously since it affects the
 look and feel, quality etc. At the minimum it should atleast be
 available in the Fedora repository. We are very near the feature freeze
 for Fedora 7 too.

 Rahul



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Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle

2007-03-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram

Kelly wrote:

Uh... you didn't accidentally assume I have = I designed, did you?


I actually did. That sentence is ambiguous to me.

At any rate, I meant in Fedora, because Klearlooks is the KDE equivalent of 
Clearlooks, which is what Fedora is using as default in GNOME.  I notice that 
generally, it does a good job of unifying the appearance of programs (though 
I am mainly a KDE user, I use GTK+ programs as well, so it's nice to have a 
setup like Bluecurve/QtCurve/*looks to keep the programs looking the same).


So the question becomes since you use that theme in KDE and use Fedora, 
are you interested in maintaining the theme package within the Fedora 
repository?


http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers

We would need to have it packaged and readily available before we test 
and get feedback to decide on a default theme.


Rahul


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Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle

2007-03-20 Thread Kelly
On Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:11 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote:
 Kelly wrote:
  Uh... you didn't accidentally assume I have = I designed, did you?

 I actually did. That sentence is ambiguous to me.

Sorry, my fault.  I didn't word it very well.

  At any rate, I meant in Fedora, because Klearlooks is the KDE equivalent
  of Clearlooks, which is what Fedora is using as default in GNOME.  I
  notice that generally, it does a good job of unifying the appearance of
  programs (though I am mainly a KDE user, I use GTK+ programs as well, so
  it's nice to have a setup like Bluecurve/QtCurve/*looks to keep the
  programs looking the same).

 So the question becomes since you use that theme in KDE and use Fedora,
 are you interested in maintaining the theme package within the Fedora
 repository?

I would, but I'm not entirely familiar with how to design RPM's.  I usually 
just use checkinstall to make packages if I have to.



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Re: Bluecurve style: announcing QSimpleStyle

2007-03-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram

Kelly wrote:

On Tuesday, March 20, 2007 4:11 pm Rahul Sundaram wrote:

Kelly wrote:

Uh... you didn't accidentally assume I have = I designed, did you?

I actually did. That sentence is ambiguous to me.


Sorry, my fault.  I didn't word it very well.


At any rate, I meant in Fedora, because Klearlooks is the KDE equivalent
of Clearlooks, which is what Fedora is using as default in GNOME.  I
notice that generally, it does a good job of unifying the appearance of
programs (though I am mainly a KDE user, I use GTK+ programs as well, so
it's nice to have a setup like Bluecurve/QtCurve/*looks to keep the
programs looking the same).

So the question becomes since you use that theme in KDE and use Fedora,
are you interested in maintaining the theme package within the Fedora
repository?


I would, but I'm not entirely familiar with how to design RPM's.  I usually 
just use checkinstall to make packages if I have to.


If you are interested you just have to read the guidelines and submit a 
draft package for review. Other more experienced packages will review 
and provide feedback. Listen and adopt the package according to that and 
you should be get the package into the repository in a short time. What 
this requires is interest and some amount of time doing maintenance work 
like responding to bug reports and keeping the package updated.


Rahul

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User Images

2007-03-20 Thread Diana Fong

Hello All,

I’d like to thank everyone for their submissions to the User Image 
Request. We received 67 submissions. Along with the images we already 
had and those from the User Pictures Project, this gave us a total of 
223 images from which to choose. Needless to say, it was difficult to 
narrow these down to 24 default images, but here they are. [1]


All 223 images will be packaged along with the release, but they can be 
found now at: [2] for the set of 24, [3] for extras, and [4] for the 
source files (warning 49.7M). I would encourage everyone to explore the 
others and find the one that works best for him/her. In addition, I hope 
that these will serve as inspiration for other submissions in the 
future. Thanks again to everyone for participating in this project.


Contributors:
Markg85
Ben Arnold
John Baer
Kay Bergemann
Thomas Canniot
Diana Fong
Steven Garrity
Dimitris Glezos
Mike Langlie
Jim Lawrence
Garrett LeSage
John W. Lockhart
Maren Lockhart
Jiri Jakub Masek
Andreas Nilsson
Jef Spaleta
Jakub Steiner

If I have missed anyone, I apologize. All the submissions and their 
contributor information can be found at GNOME-look.org (Content:Clipart, 
Name: UserImage - [name of submission]) and User Picture Project. All 
images are licensed as GPL.


[1] 
http://www.isity.net/blog/wp-content/themes/default/images/pics/070319/024set.jpg

[2] http://people.redhat.com/dfong/userImages/faces.tar.gz
[3] http://people.redhat.com/dfong/userImages/extras.tar.gz
[4] http://people.redhat.com/dfong/userImages/user-image-source.tar.gz


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Re: Wiki Banner L10N

2007-03-20 Thread Dimitris Glezos

Hey all.

I'd like to share my thoughts on Wiki page banners/headers. This includes the
Artwork and L10N efforts.

First of all, I'd like to say the idea for per-team banners is a very good one
and the proposed ones look *great*. It helps avoid user dis-orientation. Two
minor issues:

 1. It's good to consider having a consistent and global way to define and
re-use such elements. For this, I suggest to put every re-usable element under
/WikiElements and decide on *one* way to print these out. Probably using the
`Include(From, to)` syntax and maximize the use of CSS.

 2. Have the banners following the page H1 heading, not before it. We already
have two full-width headers: the wiki global one and the H1 for each page. We
might need to decide using *banners* for each project instead of headers,
followed by a navigation box. For an example, see:

  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DimitrisGlezos/WikiPageTemplate

The appearance can be greatly improved with CSS. Also, the Project Banner can be
integrated in the box to save space and code. Anything wider than 250px wide
unfortunately makes the text too narrow in 1024 resolution.

For some other CSS tricks, please refer to:

  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DimitrisGlezos/Sandbox

In the quest for code re-use, I suggest to use as much as possible the
`Include()` command, so that we can make changes across pages and before
applying a multi-page change, to discuss it. Editing a huge amount of pages is a
nightmare, as experienced by some of us the last days. :)

Also, when we apply such a change we should consider all Projects at the same
time. For example, get comments from SCo leaders about their needs and design
banners for those projects too.

My .02.

-d


O/H Diego Búrigo Zacarão έγραψε:
 I would suggest a banner for L10N team to be used in wiki pages of our
 project like DocsProject http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject and
 Artwork http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork's wiki.
 
 Please, feel free to modify them.
 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DiegoZacarao/TestPage
 
 ** Original source by NicuBuculei
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