A Thought About F9 Artwork
All, IMO the F8 artwork presents Fedora very favorably and it seems a waste not to leverage this success in F9. Does it make sense to change the theme every other release cycle and use the off cycle to improve or tweak the current theme? Presenting the same question a differ way. Would Fedora users be disappointed if the F9 came with an improved F8 theme (ie. same theme, new wallpaper)? Cheers! John ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork
Steven Garrity wrote: I proposed a seasonal Spring/Fall theme set to coincide with the time-based release schedule of Fedora back in November. I've been trying to create a page for it on the wiki, but I'm having trouble getting my account created (probably my own fault). Are you following http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/WikiEditing? What exactly is the problem you are running into? Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork
On Wednesday 02 January 2008 00:06:07 Steven Garrity wrote: John Baer wrote: Does it make sense to change the theme every other release cycle and use the off cycle to improve or tweak the current theme? This is a good point - it would be nice to see a somewhat common theme getting more and more polished with each release. More of an evolution than a complete redesign each time. That said, the last few themes have been a bit like this. Things that are easier to change, like the splash screens and wallpaper can change more frequently and dramatically. Things that are more challenging to redesign well, like Gtk and Metacity themes evolve more slowly. This reminds me of the 6 layers of buildings from Stewart Brand's classic book, How Buildings Learn: http://www.peterme.com/archives/0323.html I would like to see a general visual theme for Fedora that can slowly evolve and improve with each release, but still have enough wiggle-room for each release to feel new and exciting. I proposed a seasonal Spring/Fall theme set to coincide with the time-based release schedule of Fedora back in November. I've been trying to create a page for it on the wiki, but I'm having trouble getting my account created (probably my own fault). Quoting myself: As the Fedora release schedule is now about as reliable as the coming of spring and fall, it occurred to me that spring and fall might serve as appropriate visual themes for alternating releases. Both spring and fall (aka autumn) are nice natural visual metaphors that have recognizable and (potentially) beautiful color schemes associated with them. They are also both natural themes, which can work well for desktop themes. Perhaps we could adopt a spring visual theme for the odd-numbered releases that fall in the spring, and a fall visual theme for the even-numbered releases that fall in the, well, fall. Could it also be that the colors match the season (green for spring releases and yellow/orange for fall ones?)? This would also provide a way to have a strong visual change between releases, but still build on a larger theme that could grow more refined over multiple releases. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-November/msg00099.html A theme like this would allow a common thread for all Fedora release visuals, but also a nice back-and-forth change for each release. Cheers, Steven Garrity ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme)
On 1/1/08, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Valent Turkovic wrote: Here are one audio review which also says artwork for Fedora 8 is lacking: http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-8-audio-review/ and one random forum comment: Artwork quite poor compared to version 7. http://linuxmint.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=43139#p43139 I could point at a lot more reviews and magazine articles that saw it as an improvement. It's artwork, it's subjective, you can't please everyone and if you do you're probably doing something wrong. For every negative comment I've seen or heard about the F8 theme, I've seen 9 or 10 positive ones. Did you listen to Linux Action Show podcast review in the link that is provided? They also mention icons and few other issues, but best listen to it if you can. The wallpaper could have been more exciting, yes. The rest of the artwork I think is better with a more simple design, though, without too much in-your-face branding. We don't want the distro to be akin to an overly gaudy person wearing way too much makeup, you know? I see your point of view and I understand it. I must tell you that I don't have anything againgst Fedora design but I honestly don't see any big difference between Fedora 6 (which I run at work) and Fedora 8 which I run at home. If I took screenshots and compared them I would probably see differences but to an ordinary user and not art team who works on those changes they are so subtle that we don't see them. Only real difference we users actually see is the wallpaper. I use fedora desktop around 10h per day but I look at firefox, gaim and openoffice and not widgets. The parts of the Gnome I look the most are top and bottom panels and of course wallpaper... ~m Could I trouble you for an oppinion? Did you have an opportunity to run LinuxMint? If not please look at this screenshot: http://www.linuxmint.com/img/screenshots/celena/1024/mintmenu.png What do you think about the theme on Gnome panels. I believe that fedora hasn't changer it's... maybe ever, no? What is your opinion on that? I must admit that the LinuxMint design team really surprised me... they had some experiments with the look of their distro that didn't came out well in some previous version, but I must admit that I really love the panels - it is subtle but still looks very nice. Thank you, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork
Laith Juwaidah wrote: Perhaps we could adopt a spring visual theme for the odd-numbered releases that fall in the spring, and a fall visual theme for the even-numbered releases that fall in the, well, fall. Could it also be that the colors match the season (green for spring releases and yellow/orange for fall ones?)? Whenever we try anything that is !blue, we get a whole lot of negative feedback. People like to look at the colors far more symbolically than they should I think. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A pretty please (regrading Fedora 9 theme)
Valent Turkovic wrote: Did you listen to Linux Action Show podcast review in the link that is provided? They also mention icons and few other issues, but best listen to it if you can. Sorry, I didn't, I don't have much time these days. A summary of actual issues brought up would be helpful. The wallpaper could have been more exciting, yes. The rest of the artwork I think is better with a more simple design, though, without too much in-your-face branding. We don't want the distro to be akin to an overly gaudy person wearing way too much makeup, you know? I see your point of view and I understand it. I must tell you that I don't have anything againgst Fedora design but I honestly don't see any big difference between Fedora 6 (which I run at work) and Fedora 8 which I run at home. You don't see a difference between the artwork in Fedora 6 and Fedora 8? You must be in the far minority. Fedora 6 had much darker colored artwork than Fedora 8, and it was much more heavily branded. If I took screenshots and compared them I would probably see differences but to an ordinary user and not art team who works on those changes they are so subtle that we don't see them. Only real difference we users actually see is the wallpaper. I think maybe you're talking more about GTK+ and metacity themes, while in our discussion about the Fedora 9 artwork we are talking about the artwork - the wallpaper, splash screens, etc. The former hasn't changed very much no, the latter has changed dramatically and I am not sure how you could actually argue that any differently. I use fedora desktop around 10h per day but I look at firefox, gaim and openoffice and not widgets. The parts of the Gnome I look the most are top and bottom panels and of course wallpaper... Okay, that is different than the artwork we are discussing for sure. If you have a GTK+ and metacity theme you would like to propose for consideration in F9 that would be great. Artwork though is a very different process. I am not sure though how you would confuse Martin's sketches of water waves with designs for GTK+ and metacity themes, that seems a bit of a leap. Could I trouble you for an oppinion? Did you have an opportunity to run LinuxMint? If not please look at this screenshot: http://www.linuxmint.com/img/screenshots/celena/1024/mintmenu.png What do you think about the theme on Gnome panels. I believe that fedora hasn't changer it's... maybe ever, no? What is your opinion on that? I must admit that the LinuxMint design team really surprised me... they had some experiments with the look of their distro that didn't came out well in some previous version, but I must admit that I really love the panels - it is subtle but still looks very nice. That looks like it's the applications menu from SuSE. I don't really like it from a usability POV - it appears to overwhelm the user with choices. It also looks a bit too much like Windows I think. I think the menu we have in Fedora is much easier and less overwhelming to use but I guess I would have to see or run some comparative usability studies to know if the SuSE-style menu has a negative impact on usability. (I am guessing so from a comparison of the number items presented. Less items tend to be easier to work with.) ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [F9 theme proposal] (Also Freedom :)) Round 1
Valent Turkovic wrote: On 1/1/08, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds too busy for a default wallpaper. Maybe for an add-on one though. Well it is a bit busy :) But it was only as an idea, if some who is more artistically inclined than me can use this link I posted as an idea for a less busy one. I was recently sorting through some papers in my desk at home and came across my notes from the SIGGRAPH 2005 conference in Boston. One quote I captured in those notes that struck me most strongly (I had circled and underlined it a few times) was to the effect of: Ideas are a dime a dozen, but for someone to take the initiative to make them happen is priceless. Interpret as you will :) And no, you don't need artistic talent yourself to make artwork happen. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork
I believe it would be beneficial to Fedora to stabilize the artwork in successive releases. IMO, radically changing the artwork each release detracts from giving Fedora a recognizable look and feel. I am for refining and improving the artwork, though--maybe in the degree to which Ubuntu refines their backgrounds. As someone else said, I also believe that the artwork of F8 is a good release to build upon for refinements. A question of clarification: what exactly is meant here by theme -- GTK+/Metacity, icons, artwork, or something else? ~Daniel John Baer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, IMO the F8 artwork presents Fedora very favorably and it seems a waste not to leverage this success in F9. Does it make sense to change the theme every other release cycle and use the off cycle to improve or tweak the current theme? Presenting the same question a differ way. Would Fedora users be disappointed if the F9 came with an improved F8 theme (ie. same theme, new wallpaper)? Cheers! John ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list - Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork
New themes, that are relatively radically different, I tend to think ARE Fedora's recognizable look. Something new and well done to greet you with each release. No you can't satisfy everyone, but that should be expected. Just look at modern art for an example of that. Daniel Geiger wrote: I believe it would be beneficial to Fedora to stabilize the artwork in successive releases. IMO, radically changing the artwork each release detracts from giving Fedora a recognizable look and feel. I am for refining and improving the artwork, though--maybe in the degree to which Ubuntu refines their backgrounds. As someone else said, I also believe that the artwork of F8 is a good release to build upon for refinements. A question of clarification: what exactly is meant here by theme -- GTK+/Metacity, icons, artwork, or something else? ~Daniel *//* Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork
On Jan 1, 2008 9:40 PM, Michael Beckwith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New themes, that are relatively radically different, I tend to think ARE Fedora's recognizable look. Something new and well done to greet you with each release. No you can't satisfy everyone, but that should be expected. Just look at modern art for an example of that. I agree and being bold and innovative in artwork is in harmony with Fedora's emphasis on innovation under the covers too. John ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
