Re: Fedora 10 Countdown
Ian Weller wrote: On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 01:20:59AM +0100, Paolo Leoni wrote: We are near to preview release, so I have two proposals for Fedora 10 countdown banner: I thought we were going to adapt the beta release banner's text and leave the rest the same -- not that this artwork isn't OK, it's just fine (might need to be adapted a little bit, change the strings, whatever)... someone more important than me needs to make that decision, I think. Like the Website project, which can see the proposals and use what they like the best? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
Mairin Duffy wrote: Matthias Clasen wrote: Well, the quality of artwork to a large extent consists of the general feeling that it gives the users. Which is a somewhat vague and unspecific thing, and varies from person to person. It is next to impossible to identify the one or two specific things that are wrong to cause the impression. I'll try anyway: the default Fedora backgrounds are stuck in an 'abstract, blue' box for a long time now. Jon's timeline (that you dismissed as 'just screenshots') shows this very nicely. Okay. I remember very specifically that after F7 we were asked to focus more on abstract backgrounds. For example: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-June/msg2.html something much less branded and image-based We have kept this up for a while so perhaps it is time to try to go back to the image-based artwork. I am one of those strongly believing our default artwork should be blue, it is part of our identity. I want a desktop that is easy to be recognized as Fedora and we can do this either by sticking to our signature color as default or by putting a huge infinity bubble in the middle of the screen... with the later option not being feasible. I haven't polled the entire team about it, but I can pretty much guarantee you that this description is _not_ what we see as the target audience for the Fedora Desktop. Okay, so we may need to bring Fedora marketing into the discussion as to who Fedora's target audiences are since it seems the marketing team is marketing to the wrong audience, at least as far as the desktop spin is concerned? Perhaps marketing should develop different target audiences/strategy depending on the part of Fedora being marketed since maybe the audiences are different depending on the particular spin or other part of Fedora involved. I am not sure I am reading this right, but it may be the intention for a Desktop spin with a different target audience than the rest of the distro. Do you think we should have our own *set* of Fedora wallpapers and not ship the GNOME defaults by default? Or should we be working with the GNOME art team upstream to change those defaults? (But is that appropriate, to be influencing upstream's default to be shipping wallpapers specifically chosen to 'go' with Fedora's brand?) Then good thing we started a Wallpaper Extras collection in the wiki, hopefully we will be able to select a few good ones from there. Maybe we should advertise the project more to get more and hopefully better contributions. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
PRIMARY TARGET * Free and open source software enthusiasts, developers, and remixers. I haven't polled the entire team about it, but I can pretty much guarantee you that this description is _not_ what we see as the target audience for the Fedora Desktop. Matthias, I guess the best I can do is invite you to come and discuss this issue with us on the marketing list. The reason, I think, we decided to go with this as our primary audience, is that the pace of development in Fedora, the amount of breakage, and our inability to ship restricted software by default means that in reality, we're not going to be a distribution for your average desktop user. While they might make a suitable secondary audience, from the point of view of promoting the great desktop development work you do, they're not necessarily the people who are most likely to actually be using the desktop in Fedora (though they may well use Fedora technologies in other distributions - and we want them to know this!) If you disagree, please come and talk with us! Of course, this does not necessarily mean that we can't design artwork for that audience, but I trust in the hands of the art team ... Jon ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
William Jon McCann wrote: I'm not sure that message-dissection is a particularly fruitful way to respond to the general theme and tone of a message. But I'll respond here because I find it somewhat better than having discussions via blog posts. Speaking of blog posts, Jon, I noticed that your blog is aggregated only on Planet Gnome, not also on Planet Fedora, so a good part of our [Fedora] community miss some interesting posts regarding the desktop (like the recent one about Presentity, but also the old one about wallpapers, covered in this thread). I think you may want fo be hard also by the Fedora users: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Planet/Join -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: four f's poster designs
On Thu, 2008-10-23 at 22:02 -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote: I put together some designs for the four f's posters. Excellent work as always. I share Ian's concerns about the exact slicing of the logo (midway? Edge? Overlap?), but that's a minor issue. -- Ignacio Vazquez-Abrams [EMAIL PROTECTED] PLEASE don't CC me; I'm already subscribed signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 10 Countdown
I thought we were going to adapt the beta release banner's text and leave the rest the same -- not that this artwork isn't OK, it's just fine (might need to be adapted a little bit, change the strings, whatever)... someone more important than me needs to make that decision, I think. I have sent only a little contribution with the hope it can be useful for the community, if it isn't, no problem :-) -- Paolo Leoni ~ http://pleoni.altervista.org GPG fingerprint: DAD1 6419 D42B 0B1C D9E1 A9CB 4587 4812 17F7 F764 ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
Mairin Duffy wrote: William Jon McCann wrote: I think a lot of the responsibility is on the desktop team (and also the upstream community) to communicate more effectively. What do you mean by upstream? You mean the Fedora Artwork team is the upstream for the Fedora-branded artwork, right? I think the GNOME art team upstream, at least, accepts and understands that individual distros will impose their own branding on their desktops, and I don't think there is any issue with that. (Andreas, I won't put any words in your mouth but I remember we'd discussed this at the GNOME usability summit not long ago.) We know upstream that this happens and for stuff like backgrounds it doesn't really matter I think (hence why it completely blew my mind that some people got upset by the background decision [1], since the only people who will see that one is the few people who compile GNOME themselves). gnome-backgrounds is a nice little package with some cool stuff in it, but I'm confident that most people will replace their background with a crappy pic of their dog or whatever anyway. Backgrounds are also relatively cheap to produce and is highly visible (ie people who don't really care about computers will actually notice them, I wouldn't say the same thing is true for icons and widgets, except when things looks weird and unpolished). When it comes to widgets, things can possibly get a bit more unpredictable for app developers and will result in a couple of more bugs (and fixes for one thing in Fedora and another thing upstream, but probably not the same thing). As for icons I think Fedora does exactly the right thing with Mist. It follows the tango guidelines, so it will work well with 90% of the other stuff out there and is shipped with gnome-themes, so any bug fixes will benefit both ways, but still allows Fedora to maintain the distinct blue look. Another cool thing is that Susan Kare [2] originally designed Mist for Eazel [3], so it's a nice nod to computer history. :) 1. http://www.andreasn.se/blog/?p=58 2. http://www.kare.com 3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eazel - Andreas ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F10 on OLPC XO illustration request
Hi Karlie, I can render the process of positioning the XO and inserting an SD card in several steps as technical illustrations. Dan Williams demonstrated for me and it looks like a drawing may also be needed for removing the SD card. I will try to have these for you by the end of this week or early next week. Mike Langlie - Original Message - On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 2:45 AM, Karlie Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good afternoon everyone. Good afternoon, a quick intro and then the real reason I'm here. I'm Karlie Robinson, a Fedora Ambassador and most recently a member of the Fedora OLPC SIG. This is my first time requesting artwork, so please don't hesitate to email for clarification. After all, I think I need images to get the idea across so words are bound to fail me. I've added a request on the Document Illustration Services page - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DocIllustrationService#Request_list I need an image or series of images illustrating how to insert a SD card into the OLPC XO. This will be used for instructions on how to load F10 onto the XO. I will also be using these to print instruction cards at the request of OLPC for SD cards that will be sold along side the XO at the Give One Get One at Amazon.com. So black and white/gray scale version would be preferred. Perhaps a line drawing? We need to illustrate how to access the SD slot by turning the monitor counter clockwise and then inserting the card into the slot. These photos may help visualize why words aren't the best way to point out where the SD slot is. http://www.laptop.org/en/laptop/start/externalports.shtml and http://www.laptop.org/en/laptop/start/externalports.shtml Thanks in advance for your time and consideration, Karlie Robinson ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 11:24 +0100, Max Spevack wrote: On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Jonathan Roberts wrote: PRIMARY TARGET * Free and open source software enthusiasts, developers, and remixers. I haven't polled the entire team about it, but I can pretty much guarantee you that this description is _not_ what we see as the target audience for the Fedora Desktop. Fedora is *forced* to be a lot of things to a lot of people. Some of the things that Fedora has to be (simultaneously) are: 1) The premiere community development platform in the OSS world. 2) An open RD lab for new technologies that Red Hat is interested in from a RHEL server point of view (witness virtualization's path through Fedora over the years) 3) An open RD lab for new ideas and technologies that Red Hat's desktop team is interested in. There are others too. The point is, the very heart of Fedora -- the nature of what we are, and what our sponsor company Red Hat asks that Fedora be -- will sometimes generate conflict, because there are multiple constituencies that must always be made happy. For what it's worth, I've talked about this with the Desktop team's leader in Red Hat, Jonathan Blandford, on a couple occasions since I came on board. There are indeed multiple masters to serve, and it's vital that Fedora also preserve the ability for the people who work on technologies like virtualization or SELinux to use Fedora for RD. Fedora owes its very strong reputation for being a cutting edge technology leader to that flexibility. And that's why my only difference with the above is that Fedora enjoys the privilege of this leadership position, rather than being forced into it. I firmly believe that the INFRASTRUCTURE OF PARTICIPATION that Fedora builds is the lifeblood that sustains the entire project. Without continually building and nurturing a strong community, Fedora might still produce a distro every six months, but that distro will be unable to provide any additional value back to Red Hat than a proprietary RD model. And if that happens, then *some* of Fedora's key goals will have been failures, and almost all of the people that Red Hat pays to spend 100% of their time on Fedora should be fired immediately, including me. Now, let's look at the current situation: We have a Desktop team that is trying to innovate towards its particular vision. I will admit that I don't know enough about what that vision is as I would like to, but I am definitely eager to learn. As am I -- there's a good opportunity to do this at FUDCon in January, but certainly I don't want to just let things stew until then. That happens to be a perfect time to communicate this vision to a sizable portion of the community that will be gathered for that event. Questions that I think are valid: (1) How does the Fedora Art team's *processes* around creating the default artwork for each Fedora release hinder the Desktop team's ability to achieve the goals that it has for Fedora? (2) What is the end-state of all of this that the Desktop team wants? It's much easier to find common ground in the middle when both sides understand what the other is actually trying to achieve. Let's all get our agendas out in the open. Everyone has an agenda, there is nothing evil or wrong with that. So let's share them. What does the Desktop Team actually want? Is it complete control over everything that is seen in runlevel 5? Is it something else? I have no idea. What is the delta between the decision making ability and leadership ability that the Desktop Team has *right now*, and what the Desktop Team thinks it should be. (3) How appropriate is it characterize opinions as belonging to the Desktop Team versus individuals within that team? Far better for the Art Team to have one set of positions and the Desktop Team to have another set of positions, but to know that the collective members of those teams all agree with the starting points. Then you can have one conversation, as opposed to 7 or 8 individual ones. Thus the communication of vision. Certainly the Desktop team's vision is what should be driving the conversations. (4) Does the Desktop Team feel that it has participated in the public processes that the Art Team has set up? Does the DT feel that is has been shut out from the process? Or does the DT simply not like the process, and therefore doesn't want to participate in it? (5) What needs to be done to finally end this cycle of conversations in a way that everyone can live with? We've been having the same instance of this talk since Fedora 6/7 timeframe, and one way or another, it has to end. So again, what is the end state that the Desktop Team is looking to realize? === I submit to you all that this isn't a problem that the Fedora Marketing team can solve. This Artwork v Desktop squabble is a problem about the
Re: F10 on OLPC XO illustration request
I don't know, but I can find out. Though I did get these yesterday - I don't know if they'll help at all http://en.flossmanuals.net/floss/publish/XO/rsrc/XO/resized_600x398_sdcardinsertion.JPG http://dev.laptop.org/~bjordan/sdcards/ ryan lerch wrote: Are there any existing line drawings / vector drawings of the XO (even a CAD representation of the XO may be useful)? cheers, ryanlerch On Wed, Oct 29, 2008 at 2:45 AM, Karlie Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good afternoon everyone. Good afternoon, a quick intro and then the real reason I'm here. I'm Karlie Robinson, a Fedora Ambassador and most recently a member of the Fedora OLPC SIG. This is my first time requesting artwork, so please don't hesitate to email for clarification. After all, I think I need images to get the idea across so words are bound to fail me. I've added a request on the Document Illustration Services page - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DocIllustrationService#Request_list I need an image or series of images illustrating how to insert a SD card into the OLPC XO. This will be used for instructions on how to load F10 onto the XO. I will also be using these to print instruction cards at the request of OLPC for SD cards that will be sold along side the XO at the Give One Get One at Amazon.com. So black and white/gray scale version would be preferred. Perhaps a line drawing? We need to illustrate how to access the SD slot by turning the monitor counter clockwise and then inserting the card into the slot. These photos may help visualize why words aren't the best way to point out where the SD slot is. http://www.laptop.org/en/laptop/start/externalports.shtml and http://www.laptop.org/en/laptop/start/externalports.shtml Thanks in advance for your time and consideration, Karlie Robinson ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com mailto:Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
advertisement for Fedora Scholarship
Hi guys, I'm trying to generate some buzz around this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Scholarship and it was suggested to me that perhaps a nice looking flyer that people could print out and stick on walls at high schools or various places would be useful. I guess we'd want to include the URL, the application deadline, and something that would indicate an opportunity for Linux or FOSS users to get money for college. Perhaps (just a thought): Are you a free software hacker? Do you need money for college? Apply for the Fedora Scholarship. $2,000 per year. Travel to Fedora conference. Participate in the free software community. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Scholarship Application deadline is Feb. 16, 2009. --- Any takers for a mockup? --Max ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
Mairin Duffy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: PRIMARY TARGET * Free and open source software enthusiasts, developers, and remixers. I haven't polled the entire team about it, but I can pretty much guarantee you that this description is _not_ what we see as the target audience for the Fedora Desktop. Okay, so we may need to bring Fedora marketing into the discussion as to who Fedora's target audiences are since it seems the marketing team is marketing to the wrong audience, at least as far as the desktop spin is concerned? Perhaps marketing should develop different target audiences/strategy depending on the part of Fedora being marketed since maybe the audiences are different depending on the particular spin or other part of Fedora involved. They almost certainly are. The audience for Fedora Electronics Lab wouldn't be the same audience as for Fedora Desktop, which isn't (necessarily) the same audience as Fedora KDE, which isn't the same audience as 'the Fedora spin'. I'm pretty sure the audience for the latter has never been clearly defined. Since every Fedora foo inherits from the same package set (which includes artwork), this becomes a sticky wicket - we end up with continual conflict one way or another whenever anyone actually attempts to make a change that is for a particular audience. One example is artwork. Another might be the tty that X starts on, just to pick something out of a hat. I'm not sure what the solution is. Having the art group create different artwork for all the different targets we may serve with our spins? I suspect there's a resource problem there. Moreover, it's not like we fork initscripts for different spins, or desktop packages, etc. Bill ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Paul W. Frields wrote: We have a Desktop team that is trying to innovate towards its particular vision. I will admit that I don't know enough about what that vision is as I would like to, but I am definitely eager to learn. As am I -- there's a good opportunity to do this at FUDCon in January, but certainly I don't want to just let things stew until then. That happens to be a perfect time to communicate this vision to a sizable portion of the community that will be gathered for that event. Perhaps they should also register themselves via the bottom of this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page Create an IRC channel at #fedora-desktop and get involved. FWIW, I've never heard of a Fedora Desktop team. -Mike ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
Mike McGrath wrote: Perhaps they should also register themselves via the bottom of this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page Create an IRC channel at #fedora-desktop and get involved. FWIW, I've never heard of a Fedora Desktop team. Well, there is already a #fedora-desktop channel. Unfortunately it is in Gimpnet instead of Freenode and tends to be more disconnected from the Fedora community as a result but the Fedora desktop team believes that that since they are build around GNOME, the advantage of a better connection with the upstream community outweighs the disadvantages. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Mike McGrath wrote: Perhaps they should also register themselves via the bottom of this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page Create an IRC channel at #fedora-desktop and get involved. FWIW, I've never heard of a Fedora Desktop team. Well, there is already a #fedora-desktop channel. Unfortunately it is in Gimpnet instead of Freenode and tends to be more disconnected from the Fedora community as a result but the Fedora desktop team believes that that since they are build around GNOME, the advantage of a better connection with the upstream community outweighs the disadvantages. Seriously? Does the Fedora Desktop team have any actual ties to Fedora or just name sharing similar to our relationship with OLPC? -Mike ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Updated Solar Backgrounds Package
Hi, I've just built an updated Solar Backgrounds Package with many fixes provided by Mo, and more resolutions/ratios [1]. As per request from both gnome and kde folks the package has been split into solar-backgrounds (for Desktop Live Spin) solar-backgrounds-common (for KDE) and solar-backgrounds-extras (containing everything not included in the previous two). Since we are in freeze already (sorry for it, we could not make it in time) and the packages are rather big, I'd like you to test it first before I request a freeze break. You can d/l from koji [1]. Please report any problems, preferably on fedora-art-list or by mail to me directly. If no serious problems/regressions are reported, I'll request a freeze break at Friday. Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=68050 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F10 on OLPC XO illustration request
I drew a 6-step process for opening and positioning an XO laptop for SD card insertion. Let me know if anything seems to need revising or clarification. I tried to keep it simple and readable with or without additional text explanation. (Big thanks to professional hand model Dan Williams!) PNG preview: http://yipyop.com/XO/XO_SD_card.png SVG, EPS, AI and PNG files: http://yipyop.com/XO/XO_SD_card.zip Mike ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 09:37 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: I am not sure I am reading this right, but it may be the intention for a Desktop spin with a different target audience than the rest of the distro. I honestly don't think that the 'rest of the distro' has any clearly defined target audience. But 'open source enthusiast' is probably a fairly good description for most of the package maintainers, so if they are just targeting themselves, they are doing ok in therms of that target definition. All of the specialized spins, on the other hand, probably have a different target audience in mind. I don't think the desktop is special in that respect. Then good thing we started a Wallpaper Extras collection in the wiki, hopefully we will be able to select a few good ones from there. Maybe we should advertise the project more to get more and hopefully better contributions. Yes, that would be very nice. It would be great to replace the FC1 era backgrounds we currently ship with a subset of those. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 08:19 +, Jonathan Roberts wrote: PRIMARY TARGET * Free and open source software enthusiasts, developers, and remixers. I haven't polled the entire team about it, but I can pretty much guarantee you that this description is _not_ what we see as the target audience for the Fedora Desktop. Matthias, I guess the best I can do is invite you to come and discuss this issue with us on the marketing list. The reason, I think, we decided to go with this as our primary audience, is that the pace of development in Fedora, the amount of breakage, and our inability to ship restricted software by default means that in reality, we're not going to be a distribution for your average desktop user. Yet, the very same document has the following statement, which seems to be at odds with this assessment: User Experience. Fedora offers a user experience that is unsurpassed. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Updated Solar Backgrounds Package
Hi Martin, Martin Sourada wrote: If no serious problems/regressions are reported, I'll request a freeze break at Friday. Jesse said he really needs this ASAP, so I think we should get it to him tomorrow morning. He's on West Coast US time so that will give us a few more hours for folks to review but then I think we should just push it out. Hopefully we will have an opportunity to fix any other bugs as a result of preview release feedback. Thanks so much for getting this done so quickly, it's a real lifesaver! ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F10 on OLPC XO illustration request
Michael Langlie wrote: I drew a 6-step process for opening and positioning an XO laptop for SD card insertion. Let me know if anything seems to need revising or clarification. I tried to keep it simple and readable with or without additional text explanation. (Big thanks to professional hand model Dan Williams!) wooo those are awesome! Great work! ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
Mike McGrath ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: Perhaps they should also register themselves via the bottom of this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page Create an IRC channel at #fedora-desktop and get involved. FWIW, I've never heard of a Fedora Desktop team. No offense, but... First hit in the wiki search for Desktop. fedora-desktop-list. It's not exactly hard to find, unless you're attempting to be obtuse. And if a search is too much, the wiki is fixed now. :P (Considering the XFCE, Sugar, netbook, and other groups aren't listed...) Bill ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 11:24 +0100, Max Spevack wrote: Fedora is *forced* to be a lot of things to a lot of people. Of course. That doesn't mean that individual spins cannot have a more clearly defined target audience. We have a Desktop team that is trying to innovate towards its particular vision. I will admit that I don't know enough about what that vision is as I would like to, but I am definitely eager to learn. We are working on writing up some aspects of that vision, I'm not going to try an impromptu definition here. What is the delta between the decision making ability and leadership ability that the Desktop Team has *right now*, and what the Desktop Team thinks it should be. I don't think there is a big delta. We have editorial control of the desktop spin, just like the KDE sig has full editorial control of the KDE spin. So far, we have to a large extent failed to make use of that editorial control, since our focus has been to work upstream or on the boundaries of the desktop. (3) How appropriate is it characterize opinions as belonging to the Desktop Team versus individuals within that team? Far better for the Art Team to have one set of positions and the Desktop Team to have another set of positions, but to know that the collective members of those teams all agree with the starting points. Then you can have one conversation, as opposed to 7 or 8 individual ones. You mean we need to pick our sides, elect speakers and clamp down on dissenters ? Not going to happen. The single unifying characteristic of the Fedora community is that we are all individualists who speak for themselves. (4) Does the Desktop Team feel that it has participated in the public processes that the Art Team has set up? Does the DT feel that is has been shut out from the process? Or does the DT simply not like the process, and therefore doesn't want to participate in it? Not quite sure what to say here. There are several answers: There is a very strong sentiment that voting for the default is not the way to go. The process defines the possible results, by narrowing the focus and rewarding those that meet the predefined target best. Ie having such a process ensures that we'll always have an acceptable default background. But if a 'default background' is not the art that would make our desktop experience more polished, then the process will not help much. Jon invested a significant amount of work in a comparison of OS background images, and sent the document to this list. Is that participating in the process ? I guess not. But it was an attempt to influence the outcome of the process for the better. (5) What needs to be done to finally end this cycle of conversations in a way that everyone can live with? We've been having the same instance of this talk since Fedora 6/7 timeframe, and one way or another, it has to end. I don't agree with this at all. Conversation should not end. What must end is the divisive 'us' vs. 'them' mentality. The conversion about the goals and visions for the desktop and its art should continue. And I will defend the freedom of anybody in my team to criticize the art, just as everybody else is free to criticize what vt we choose to run X on. Matthias ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Updated Solar Backgrounds Package
Martin Sourada martin.sourada at gmail.com writes: I've just built an updated Solar Backgrounds Package with many fixes provided by Mo, and more resolutions/ratios [1]. As per request from both gnome and kde folks the package has been split into solar-backgrounds (for Desktop Live Spin) solar-backgrounds-common (for KDE) and solar-backgrounds-extras (containing everything not included in the previous two). Since we are in freeze already (sorry for it, we could not make it in time) and the packages are rather big, I'd like you to test it first before I request a freeze break. You can d/l from koji [1]. Please report any problems, preferably on fedora-art-list or by mail to me directly. Thanks a lot! I updated solar-kde-theme to use the new images. There is, however, a problem: the 1280x1024 image is only 1280x1014, any chance this can be fixed? (It leads to bad transitions between KSplash and Plasma because they use different scaling methods.) Kevin Kofler ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork Quality (was Re: Sound themes)
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008, Bill Nottingham wrote: Mike McGrath ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said: Perhaps they should also register themselves via the bottom of this page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Main_Page Create an IRC channel at #fedora-desktop and get involved. FWIW, I've never heard of a Fedora Desktop team. No offense, but... First hit in the wiki search for Desktop. fedora-desktop-list. It's not exactly hard to find, unless you're attempting to be obtuse. And if a search is too much, the wiki is fixed now. :P (Considering the XFCE, Sugar, netbook, and other groups aren't listed...) Got'cha, they're a spin group. I don't think we typically consider spins subprojects so that makes more sense. -Mike ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Updated Solar Backgrounds Package
Kevin Kofler kevin.kofler at chello.at writes: Thanks a lot! I updated solar-kde-theme to use the new images. There is, however, a problem: the 1280x1024 image is only 1280x1014, any chance this can be fixed? (It leads to bad transitions between KSplash and Plasma because they use different scaling methods.) I noticed the normalish.dual images have the correct height, and the rectangle at offset (1280,10) (i.e. the lower right corner, from (1280,10) to (2559,1023)) is identical to the 1280x1014 images (the GIMP difference tool created an all black portion when I overlay them and the fill tool confirms it's really all black). Is that observation correct? If so, I can fix the 1280x1024 images by simply taking the right half (from (1280,0) to (2559,1023)) of the normalish.dual images (or, equivalently, copying (1280,0) to (2559,9) (the 1280x10 pixel rectangle at the top right) from the normalish.dual images and adding that on top of the 1280x1024 images). Any objections to me doing that? (There's no scaling involved, and if I'm not mistaken the result will be pixel-identical to the current images and add the missing 10 pixels of height.) Kevin Kofler ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
