Re: F11 Sleeve design
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Clint Savage her...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro wrote: On 04/29/2009 10:23 PM, Clint Savage wrote: I wanted to bring this up since it affects my ability to order and deliver F11 media to ambassadors and community members. According to John Poelstra's task list for the Fedora Art team [1], we should be starting the design for the Sleeves and disc labels. Here's the information: Create DVD/CD label and sleeve artwork Start: Tue 2009-04-28 Due: Tue 2009-05-12 Duration: 14days So with that, I'd like to get the conversation started and see what we want to do for the sleeves, design wise. A little bit ago Susmit showed his interest about working on this: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00052.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ It appears this conversation died, however the deadline is fast approaching. I can create something based upon the lion design, but I think Someone else (Samuele, Mo, Nicu, etc.) is probably more capable than I. Could someone please pick this up and get a draft ready before Monday? If not, I'll see what I can do next week as I am fairly busy these days :/ Cheers, Clint HI all, I wanted to follow this email up with another. I've created some initial artwork for the sleeves, but I think it needs some help. I wonder if anyone has any time today/tomorrow to have a look at my work? http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/F11-live-sleeve.tar.bz2 Currently, it's just the live sleeve, but I expect to create 64-bit live, and 32-bit/64-bit DVD sleeves too. After getting this done, I'll work on the CD/DVD labels, which should be much easier to complete. Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 Sleeve design
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 12:13 PM, Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com wrote: Looks good -- a couple ideas to consider: * Change copyright date to 2009 Done. * Make the 11 bold and possibly add a glow. Bold is very bulky. The 10 on the Fedora 10 disks is just regular MgOpen Modata and I think it looks better. I'm still not decided on the glow. I kind of prefer the basic look. * Kern the 11 so the numbers are closer together; due to the font metrics they currently look unnaturally far apart. I think I got that working. The lion is still pretty busy -- did you want to consider moving the design, so the lion appears more to one corner, and the logo and 11 appear opposite his head? I've moved much of the lion off the design. I also removed a lot of the styles that were there to get this effect. If someone has problems with what I've done, please let me know and I'll roll it back. A new version are available for consideration. http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/F11-live-sleeve.tar.bz2 Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 Sleeve design
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro wrote: On 04/29/2009 10:23 PM, Clint Savage wrote: I wanted to bring this up since it affects my ability to order and deliver F11 media to ambassadors and community members. According to John Poelstra's task list for the Fedora Art team [1], we should be starting the design for the Sleeves and disc labels. Here's the information: Create DVD/CD label and sleeve artwork Start: Tue 2009-04-28 Due: Tue 2009-05-12 Duration: 14days So with that, I'd like to get the conversation started and see what we want to do for the sleeves, design wise. A little bit ago Susmit showed his interest about working on this: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00052.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ It appears this conversation died, however the deadline is fast approaching. I can create something based upon the lion design, but I think Someone else (Samuele, Mo, Nicu, etc.) is probably more capable than I. Could someone please pick this up and get a draft ready before Monday? If not, I'll see what I can do next week as I am fairly busy these days :/ Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Ambassadors] NA Media Production for F11
On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 2:43 PM, David Nalley da...@gnsa.us wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I am copying John Poelstra as this is perhaps something that should be added to the schedule. We are about 6 weeks away from F11 release. From what I recall from F10, artwork delay was a big factor in the delay of media and we had set some timelines on when we needed to get the artwork taken care of, to the printer, etc. So lets start that discussion here. Clint: Since you are also the liaison with Art, is the media and sleeve artwork ready. If not what's the date it will be? Is there anything the rest of us can do to push all of this along? Thanks Sorry for tying up the global list with a regional discussion. David Nalley if you look at poelcat's timeline, it's in there -- http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/f-11-art-tasks.html I had this discussion with the planning folks during the release planning at FUDCon about making sure that art was ready at least 2 weeks prior to release. Essentially, I think we can get the sleeves done first, then the CD order can happen afterward. I'm not sure what else we can do but wait for the deadline to come. I can mention it to the fedora-art-list as well (now cc'd) so they can start looking to making the art. But I think since it'll likely be based upon the desktop background (which is looking awesome btw), I think it'll be easy to complete. Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 10 Media Art Font / editing SVG
On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 2:17 AM, Marland V. Pittman marl...@mvpittman.com wrote: Hello Fedora Art people! You rock. I don't want to switch distros, because you guys put out open Media that I can use to print my own CDs. That said, with Fedora 10, I installed a Live CD, and wanted to print a disc, but found a couple of issues. I can print directly to my discs using my Epson Stylus Photo R320 and printable CDs, if I get a high resolution rasterized graphic, I can crop and print with GIMP/gutenprint and everything is gravy. However, I like having the architecture printed on the disc, so I can tell the difference between my 64-bit and 32-bit discs. I complained once, but Mo Duffy politely told me how I can change the SVG text so that I can put whatever I want. A simple search and replace was all I needed to do. Again, awesome. However, for Fedora 10, downloading the artwork source, I got scribus, which I don't know much about using, but wasn't installed on the Live Media. I installed it, but I was kind of lost. I managed to get an SVG somehow, and then I was going to print it, but noticed the fonts were all wonky. Is there some font being used that I don't have? Considering this is Fedora, surely, it is open and available, I'm guessing I just need to install it. I don't know how to do that, or even what I'm looking for, but all I really want is to print media art on my discs. I appreciate any help, and encourage the project to include fonts used in the media art with the Live CD. I don't know how big a font is, and I know media space is limited, but I really found this disheartening. Other than that, keep on rocking. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Marland, I'm honestly not sure why this font set isn't included by default. There are a few head scratchers out there and this might be one. However, The font set you want is called mgopen. You can get it by installing it. As root, run: yum install mgopen-fonts This can be done on a LiveCD as well, but it's only temporary as long as the LiveCD is running. I hope you enjoy Scribus. If you haven't tried it before, I'd also recommend inkscape. Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: USB station poster Solar background.
On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 9:42 AM, susmit shannigrahi thinklinux@gmail.com wrote: Suggessions please. http://susmit.fedorapeople.org/art/poster/usblive-f10.png It would be nice if someone with a better configuration machine can do the tuning. It took an eternity on my machine to do this. I am uploading the source svg. susmit, Looks great. Although the grammar could be improved slightly. You put: 'You provide the pen, the rest it's up to us' Should say: 'You provide the pen, the rest is up to us' Very nice otherwise. One thing I thought about regarding this is that while it's nice to keep up to date on posters like these, I wonder if a stable version for 3 or 4 releases would be more cost effective and could go into an EventBox or something. Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: USB station poster Solar background.
2008/12/29 Papadeas Pierros ppapad...@gmail.com: On Mon, 2008-12-29 at 09:51 -0700, Clint Savage wrote: On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 9:42 AM, susmit shannigrahi thinklinux@gmail.com wrote: Suggessions please. http://susmit.fedorapeople.org/art/poster/usblive-f10.png It would be nice if someone with a better configuration machine can do the tuning. It took an eternity on my machine to do this. I am uploading the source svg. susmit, Looks great. Although the grammar could be improved slightly. You put: 'You provide the pen, the rest it's up to us' Should say: 'You provide the pen, the rest is up to us' Very nice otherwise. One thing I thought about regarding this is that while it's nice to keep up to date on posters like these, I wonder if a stable version for 3 or 4 releases would be more cost effective and could go into an EventBox or something. Nice suggestion! It would be great if we could have a version independent poster for the USB station KIT. Don't forget http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/USBStickCreationKit which has launched as an EventBox sub-project. Pierros, Yes, I saw that the other day. I would love to have USBCreationKit in the EventBox. I'm way excited for all the good initiatives going on in Fedora these days :) Wanted to mention one other thing here, make sure to use https instead of http for your wiki links. http doesn't allow editing. Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Artwork for x86_64 Live CDs and Install DVDs for North America
Hi all, I was perusing the Media Art page today looking for label and sleeve art for the x86_64 architecture. NA is ordering LiveCDs and Install DVDs for these arches in addition to the x86 media. My concern is that there is not any artwork for the x86_64 architecture on the wiki as of yet. per this discussion: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-November/msg00075.html There was a follow-up in irc #fedora-ambassadors (unfortunately, I don't have the log of the info off-hand, I'll try to find it) discussing the labeling for x86 vs x86_64. I believe the results were: x86: For Intel compatible PC's x86_64: For 64-bit Intel compatible PC's I'm planning to take the labels / sleeves from the F10 Media Art page[1] and update them to include new scribus, pdf and eps versions for the 64-bit arch. I should have the new media art up by tomorrow evening at the latest. As soon as I have this art, I'll follow-up asking for a few +1s so we can pass them onto the media company. If anyone can get them up faster, I would love the help, just let me know. Cheers, Clint sidebar For those not familiar with this discussion, I wanted to make sure the reasoning is explained here. Many computers in NA (and EMEA as I understand it) are now shipping 64-bit processors. Most manufacturers are moving away from the 32-bit model. The thing is, that while the 32-bit spins will work on 64-bit machines, they are not taking full advantage. Because of this, NA decided to ship 64-bit as well as 32-bit media. The cost of media has been reduced and thus we are able to produce more media for less cost. /sidebar ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Link to the releaseparty poster
A few people have requested the releaseparty poster I created recently. You can obtain it here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes/Solar#Fedora_10_Release_Poster Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora F's buttons
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clint Savage wrote: So I got bored today while giving an RHCT exam and while waiting at the airport. I made these buttons, let me know what you think... http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo2.png http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo3.png http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo4.png SWEET! I really like the pattern in the background of the logo2 file. Logo3 is really strong, well done! I think logo4 might look better without the dashed line at all and maybe a darker background color. Thanks, I wasn't sure if they would be good enough. The dashed line is basically to indicate the edge of the button, but I can take it off. Do you know how to scribus-ify these into print-ready, color-safe PDF artwork? I do. I have done that before many times. I'll look into doing that on sunday. I assume you are referring to the fact that I need to make the images CMYK and making them pdfs so printers won't complain. I'm capable of doing that :) Thanks for the vote of confidence. Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Button artwork
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 2:15 AM, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sankarshan (সঙ্কর্ষণ) wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: John Rose had a bunch of these printed up for the recent Ohio Linux Fest and they came out well. There's printer-ready artwork here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral#Fedora_Buttons Ooo nice. Can I request a design that has the 4 f's written on the top curve of the button ? I think Scribus hates me, It refuses to open Mo's plain template, so I can provide only a SVG version: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora-button_4f.svg PNG preview: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Fedora-button_4f.png One idea could also be to do a pin for each of the four Fedora f's... we don't have designs for that yet though. That would be awesome to have though. Yes, surely very nice to have. Maybe using the iconography/graphic style/colors form the posters, otherwise I think it would be boring to wear 4 blue buttons, very similar with each other, only with a different word on them. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list Not to step on anyone's toes, but less than a month ago, I submitted some buttons that already accomplish this task. I've included the link to the reviews. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg0.html Funny thing, I had completed the rotation Mo asked for, but never got around to uploading them, until now, so for your consideration: http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/fedora_four_fs_shift.png http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/fedora_four_fs_shift.svg Made from the previously created works. Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Button artwork
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clint Savage wrote: Not to step on anyone's toes, but less than a month ago, I submitted some buttons that already accomplish this task. I've included the link to the reviews. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2008-October/msg0.html Yeah, but our memory is volatile, we are mere humans forget about a lot of things :p Every time to create something like this take care and upload it to the appropriate wiki page, so people find it and don't have to do the work again. No argument and I didn't mean to offend, so if I have, I apologize. However, I would upload it to the wiki except that I was told I must go through an approval process for my first bit of artwork. I wasn't told whether it was approved or not, so I didn't upload and also why it's not there yet. Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Button artwork
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clint Savage wrote: No argument and I didn't mean to offend, so if I have, I apologize. However, I would upload it to the wiki except that I was told I must go through an approval process for my first bit of artwork. I wasn't told whether it was approved or not, so I didn't upload and also why it's not there yet. Sorry, I do not remember the context, but now you *are* member of the Art group (probably you already received the mails from FAS). Nicu, Yes, I see it, thank you. Now I can contribute more. I'll happily put the buttons up on the wiki sometime today. Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Fedora F's buttons
So I got bored today while giving an RHCT exam and while waiting at the airport. I made these buttons, let me know what you think... http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo2.png http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo3.png http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo4.png Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Remix mark
2008/10/16 Jayme Ayres [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/10/16 Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jayme Ayres wrote: 2008/10/16 Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jayme Ayres wrote: 2008/10/16 Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jayme Ayres wrote: I like the proposal of Mo and Nicu, but I think the corners are very rounded, my preference in this design is further soften the corners with the closing tipography Fedora. I still really like the very rounded corners Nicu did. They match the curves of the d, o, and a in Fedora. I understand that the rounded corner is compatible with the typography of Fedora, but thinking about the composition of the image, rounded corners less fit better in tune. I just don't agree with that. Maybe it will seem better when the r and x are giving more padding? See this example. I just don't like the squared corners. They don't seem to fit with the logo at all. ok... If you just don´t like that I can´t change your opinion with :-( Cheers =) ~m I think the squared corners look better than the rounded ones. I guess its the spacing between the r and x and the edge of the ovals, but I don't think those are as nice. Maybe both Remix logos could work? Just my $.02 The color pallette is awesome btw, I love it. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Remix design
On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 1:24 AM, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clint Savage wrote: I added a design today as well. I'm glad someone reminded me about this as I really wanted to submit something. I hope this design works well. Clint, hope you don't mind some criticism: - the remix word is too small compared with the rest of the logo, you if you have the logo to a small size, it will be unreadable (it is barely readable even in the thumbnail you posted). Make it larger, as *it* is the focus here; - there is a new trend to have logos in full color, mainly in the case when the logos are used exclusively on the web (this is why some call them web 2.0 logos), but I think we need here something more traditional, with less colors: I believe one of the uses of this logo is to have it printed on CD labels, where the number of colors matters. Nicu, Thank you for the criticism. I am always happy to take this (aka constructive) type. I'll look at my design and see what I can come up with. I like where you guys are going with the other logo, I just don't like it enough to be convinced...yet. Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora Remix design
2008/10/2 Paul W. Frields [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I left some comments on the proposal for a Fedora Remix mark design here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Pfrields/Secondary_trademark_design Did anyone, Nicu included, want to revisit it, or make an alternative proposal? You could either consider my comments, or come up with something new. Remember that no logo is desired, just a design based on the words themselves. I have interest in creating it, just haven't found the time...maybe this weekend. Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Fedora Four F's Button Submission
Not that anyone requested this, but I wanted to practice my inkscape skills and thought this a nice challenge. I've played with this a bunch of times and have included two links to share for those who wouldn't mind reviewing my work. http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/fedora_four_fs.png http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/files/fedora_four_fs.svg Thanks for the input and I hope this is a good contribution to the art team. Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Original Fedora Posters
2008/8/22 Frank Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can somone point me to a link for the original Fedora Posters Frank You mean like these? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/MarketingCollateral Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Ambassadors] Re: Design Service Request - AmbassadorKit Box
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 8:49 AM, David Nalley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan, It's my understanding that these are easy to print and are essentially disposable. From that standpoint a release specific item would be nice, but I don't know what that does to the amount of work for Art. As for how they get printed constructed, they should be able to be printed on card stock and taped or glued together. This was really designed as a DIY type thing - ie the 'other' distribution would send the files for the artwork to be printed and the end user would print, cut and assemble. It would be nice to have them pre-assembled in the future. However, for a first run, a design of a fold together box would be *exactly* what we wanted. Ryan, thanks for picking this up and running with it. Let us know how we can help. Also, the Italian Ambassadors have been working on a similar project which I am trying to collaborate. Maybe we'll have more demand for the boxes and such. Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Linux Day Italy] Fedora Distribution Kit
On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 1:40 AM, Luca Foppiano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'm Luca and, with other Italian ambassadors I'm organizing Linux Day 2008 (planned on October 25th). A more detailed description can be founded here [1][2]. Italian Linux day is distributed and a more bit complicated than centalized events like, for example, Linux Tag. We wish to deliver to every events (but we most probably reduce it on a subset due to budget and interest) a box that contains all necessary to build a fedora USB station (It's like Ikea [4] furniture). We need to decide a nice name for the box, right now the proposal are: * fedora starter kit * fedora distribution kit * fedora usb kit which name do you prefer? if you have another ideas about it, just write it ;-) We need also artworks; I spoke with Samuele Storari about it and he was very enthusiast ;-) I also made a request here [3] which i composed by: * box artwork: a small sticker, which will be attached on container box (probably we need a new logo, or something can remember people this product) * DVD artwork (same of above) * Fedora 10 USB kit artwork (which will similar to fedora 9 arwork but with new fedora theme, when will be ready ;-)) I haven't any idea about what we can represent on artworks. I hope you can help us. Thanks in advance for all feedback Luca [1] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-July/msg00320.html [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/LinuxDay/LinuxDay2008 [3] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#Fedora_USB_Distribution_KIT [4] http://www.ikea.com/ -- Today is Boomtime, the 3rd day of Bureaucracy in the YOLD 3174 If we were meant to get up early, God would have created us with alarm clocks. -- Fedora-marketing-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-marketing-list Luca, I think your idea is along the same lines of an idea I submitted last week. I think this idea is great! https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2008-August/msg00103.html https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/DesignService#AmbassadorKit_Box We called it the AmbassadorKit and even have a page dedicated to the AmbassadorKit https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/AmbassadorKit (soon) I think it would be advantageous for us to work together on this as we seem to have similar goals. In other words, I'd like to start an open discussion about how to get an AmbassadorKit with the items you suggest in place by F10. Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
