Re: Round 2 has ended
The sulphur images looks nice. It's calm and nonintrusive Speaking of calm, I hope we never se animated waves as a background.That would be extremely annoying. I also think that the color of the wave is more than a bit too bright, It sort of reminds me of the early releases of CentOS. Among the various sulphur images, I would prefer the ones that either have just a fedora logo, or just the sulphur chrystals, combining the logo and the chrystal is a bit too much. (and a small logo on the sulphur chrystal could easily be taken for an icon, and confuse the user) Great work! 2008/2/13, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Round 2 has ended, and we have two proposals standing (the others are either pulled by their authors or are not fulfilling the requirements): - Waves, by Martin with Mo's sulfuric modification: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Waves - Shoowa, by Lyua: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/Shoowa I blogged about them, I hope we will get better fedback this time: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2008/02/fedora-8-artwork-round-2.html (in fact I am sure we will get better feedback, I recently joined FWN as a writer covering the Art list, so I will ensure this is covered by FWN's next issue). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A Thought About F9 Artwork
2008/1/3, Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The rest of the graphics (except maybe splash screens) I would agree deserve refinement because they serve a more functional role. Users interact with window borders and buttons and icons and whatnot. But the desktop background itself is purely expressive. No, the background is much more than purely expressive. It constituetes the background for icons placed on the desktop. As such it can provide landmarks for finding a certain icon. As many users use the desktop for storing files files it is also of utter importance that it is not too conspicious, so that it disturbs the user. In essence it should be there but not be noticed all that much. E.g it can be a good idea to avoid figurative images. It is also important to make the smallest detail in the image much larger than the icon size, or it could make it harder for visually impaired people to differentiate between the background and icon contours. i.e. it acts like camoflage. Some kind of easy identifyable subtle pattern is good especially if it is a bit unsymetric an unrepeated. That way it provides good landmarks to help the user remember how his icons are placed. Regards Uno Engborg ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Link for official F9 theme proposal
Jeff Spaleta skrev: On Dec 12, 2007 3:44 AM, David Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I for one, really like what we have in Fedora 8 and I would like to suggest keeping and working on perfecting it instead of replacing the artwork every 6 months entirely. Without making a judgment as to the quality or attractiveness of any release's artwork I would say that making the default desktop image distinctly different from at least the previous release helps immensely from a release marketting perspective. The default desktop image is the most identifiable thing when skimming screenshots in something like a review or across-the-room glances when using computers in public spaces. High quality isn't good enough to catch the eye from release to release, releases need to be visually distinctive in order to imply new hotness Yes, making changes markets the new release. Not changing it, helps market the Fedora brand, as people will recognize Fedora when they see it regardless of what release it is. High quality have been enough to promote e.g. Ubuntu. I think you have too little faith in that Fedora developers will be able to provide the novelties and increase in polish of each new release to make people upgrade. Regards Uno Engborg -- -- Webworks Sverige ABphone: +46 40 12 01 57 Kamrergatan 29mobile: +46 70 594 27 21 S-211 56, Malmö, Sweden web: http://www.webworks.se smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Link for official F9 theme proposal
Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek skrev: Same artwork for few releases? It would boring like the Ubuntu theme... I'm sick of Ubuntu's theme. I love Fedora 8 theme - professional in every inch. For a desktop theme, boring is good. The user should not be disturbed by cool graphics while he is working. The best desktop, is the one the user notice the least. It should just be there for him when he needs it. And yes, I'm sick of Ubuntus theme too, but at least I emmediately know that it is Ubuntu when I see it, and that is very good from branding perspective. You can say that Ubuntu have found its identity. Regards Uno Engborg -- -- Webworks Sverige ABphone: +46 40 12 01 57 Kamrergatan 29mobile: +46 70 594 27 21 S-211 56, Malmö, Sweden web: http://www.webworks.se smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Link for official F9 theme proposal
David Nielsen skrev: Em Qua, 2007-12-12 às 07:33 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek escreveu: Freedom? I think best symbol of freedom is pidgeon or statue of liberty (or something like that). Maybe an city, like New York, the liberty statue and a pidgeon flying over :] ? That would be a downright insulting display of american nationalistic pride to plenty of people. We really need to select culturally neutral images, I for one, really like what we have in Fedora 8 and I would like to suggest keeping and working on perfecting it instead of replacing the artwork every 6 months entirely. - David Yes, I really agree on both your statements. The Fedora 8 theme is the first theme that have looked really professional in a long time. Lets keep it and maybe polish it slightly. Keeping the same theme for several releases will also help to build the brand. A Rolls Royce model doesn't change appearance from one year to the next. They don't need to as they sell a quality product, and it is good that people recognize it. The same should go for Fedora. Ubuntu have tried it, and it seam to work for them. The Fedora 8 theme would be a very good base for such a long lasting theme as it is very neutral and businesslike. Regards Uno Engborg -- -- Webworks Sverige ABphone: +46 40 12 01 57 Kamrergatan 29mobile: +46 70 594 27 21 S-211 56, Malmö, Sweden web: http://www.webworks.se smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Background :)
Mola Pahnadayan skrev: Hi all , http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/52789742/ My devianArt pageh http://mola-mp.deviantart.com/ ;) Looks great! Regards Uno Engborg smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: alternate logo
Nicu Buculei skrev: Paul W. Frields wrote: The frustration that some of the community members have expressed is understandable, and we've tried to carry your concerns to all the parties involved. But unfortunately, we haven't been completely successful, and to make a long story short, we've had to concede the default release theme work to the Desktop group inside Red Hat. The main leverage used by the RH Desktop Team to kick us out was the fear that the community will incorrectly use the trademarks and the logo [1] so I call the people unhappy with this policy at a brainstorm to create an *alternate* logo and use it in our *alternative* works and produce better desktop theming which I hope will please the users and shame RHDT. [1] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/Meetings/2007-01-16?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=fedora-board-20070116.txt I would say, leave out the logo alltogether. The less branding, the more room for artistic freedom. Putting shame where shame belongs in public will not help. Revenge is always counter productive. Regards Uno Engborg smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork conversations
Rahul Sundaram wrote: Nicu Buculei wrote: I dont consider it a step back. In both cases the concepts was drawn and worked up a team and Diana Fong did the final work. The difference here might that Mola talked over IRC while John Baer didnt. That's just different working styles and prefered modes of interaction. OK, so using unarchived and closed channels is preferred. We dont have artificially invent issues. It is a completely public channel. Archives are available if you want them. Actually, this is a little more than artificially invented issue. The problem with IRC is that conversations take place in real time. This is a problem for projects that may have particepants in different parts of the world with different time zones. Regards Uno Engborg ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Artwork conversations
Rahul Sundaram wrote: Uno Engborg wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: Nicu Buculei wrote: I dont consider it a step back. In both cases the concepts was drawn and worked up a team and Diana Fong did the final work. The difference here might that Mola talked over IRC while John Baer didnt. That's just different working styles and prefered modes of interaction. OK, so using unarchived and closed channels is preferred. We dont have artificially invent issues. It is a completely public channel. Archives are available if you want them. Actually, this is a little more than artificially invented issue. The problem with IRC is that conversations take place in real time. This is a problem for projects that may have particepants in different parts of the world with different time zones. Sure but that is a completely different issue which in no way makes the channel closed. It is not hard to setup bots which automatically archives all the conversations in the channel. I suspect there might already be public services which do just that. Archives makes the channel open to see, but in a community project it must also be open to participate even if you happen to be in another time zone. I doubt very much that people using IRC will start their work day by scanning the backlog of IRC messages that have taken place during the night, answers them and then wait to the next day for their answer. /uno ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: A sad day for Fedora, A disappointment for Open Source
John Baer skrev: Nicu wrote: Ok, I hope I qualify as someone. I directed you some days ago at http://www.isity.net/blog/?p=57 Development on the Fedora 7 theme is ongoing but not on this list but behind some closed doors and we are not invited to the party. This is truly a sad day for Fedora and a disappointment for the community of Open Source. If Fedora did not want our help simply state it, close down the list server, call it good. Diana certainly has the skill and talent to do the artwork and obviously doesn't need our help. Unfortunately I don't agree with you. Diana seam to be a fine artist, you are right in that. The problem is, that it takes more than being a fine artist to make a good desktop theme. In fact being a fine artist may even be a problem as most good art is about making a statement, while creating a desktop theme is more like making visual elevator music. It should be there, it should look reasonably good but not draw too much attention or create any major mood swings of the observer, it should help the user find the way in the system. The balance between being dull and very good is very delicate. To get it right, you need a little knowledge in HCI besides good artistic skills, and judging from previous theme disasters in Fedora, Diana doesn't seam to have such HCI skills. I'm really glad I didn't discover the Fedora art project, until it was too late to make any new contributions, if I had made such an effort as many others on this list have done, I would have been seriously pissed off. If English had been my native language I probably had written some articles to /. or osnews.com about this, to warn people from wasting time on Fedora when they ask for help. Regards Uno Engborg ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Flying High with Fedora 7
John Baer skrev: Uno wrote: Now it would be nice if the lighter blue color of the Clouds wallpaper could rub off on other parts of the GUI, e.g. such as login screen. Now that I have a revised RHGB submission in place I can take some time to look at the GDM login. I am unclear of your vision but I believe you want something like the GDM login at this link. http://art.gnome.org/themes/gdm_greeter/1229 Is this correct? If not, can you point me toward something to help me see your desire. Actually, what I was looking for, was the Clouds login screen from in the link from your previous post. I just wanted a more unified look in varios parts of the system, but that seam to be fixed already. Regards Uno Engborg smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Flying High with Fedora 7
John Baer wrote: All, I hope I am not wallpapering all of you to death but IMO it is critical to get the wall paper correct. Struggling with the direction *monolith* idea I decided to try something from my original thoughts and the hot air balloons in the clouds. Given the chance to start over I also decided to *lighten* the colors as requested early on. The theme is not a bold as the *monolith* thread but it works. I welcome your comments. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2 Cheers, John The clouds wallpaper looks VERY good. Almost no small details that could hide icons. Yet, enough detail to provide landmarks to memorize icon positions. It's lighter this means less contrasts between the desktop and document windows that usually are light in color. This means less strain on the eyes. And above all, it looks beautiful and discrete in the same time. Now it would be nice if the lighter blue color of the Clouds wallpaper could rub off on other parts of the GUI, e.g. such as login screen. Regards Uno Engborg smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Flying High with Fedora 7
John Baer wrote: All, Still trying to stay 3-D and bold, I posted a new wallpaper with no monolith for your consideration. Let me know your thoughts and thank you for your comments. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2 Well, at least my friends doesn't refer to it as the gravestone theme anymore. However, now the blue blowtorch flame like thing in the center gets a bit too dominating, at least at the bottom close to the cloud where it almost looks like a solid blue body. Another thing, the image is very static (with or without monolith). You divide the screen equally in a right and a left part. If we expect users to use whatever artifacts we put in the background as landmarks for finding icons, that would be easier if we had a slight asymmetry. This is how our brain works, and probably why you often see golden cut size relations in art. A slight asymmetry often feels more dynamic and interesting. I would also suggest making the balloons a bit larger. That way icons will be easier to spot. They would also be large enough to provide landmarks for navigation instead of the blue flame, in case you removed it. Another suggestion is to change the places of the balloons, so that the lower balloon is centered (with respect to left/right axis) somewhere close to the clouds , where the flame is now. That way you would avoid the exact divide in two equal left and right side of the screen. I would also suggest that you flip the position of the balloons so that the upper balloon is the rightmost one. That way it would probably also look better together with the normal computer and trash icons you normally have to the left side of the screen. In other words the screen image including standard icons would look more balanced. If you decide to keep the flame, does it have to go up at 90 degree angle to the clouds? By tilting it a little e.g. to the right, you would get a more dynamic looking image, that looked less like the start of a nuclear attack. By placing one balloon in front of the flame and one behind it you could increase the sense of depth in the image. Regards Uno Engborg smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Flying High with Fedora 7 - More
John Baer wrote: All, Added a RHGB screen to match *more 3d* wallpaper. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2 :) John Looks good. BTW. The monolith, on the standard desktop background, without the blue balloon outline looks much better than the one with the balloon, as it gives a much calmer impression. It looks a little more 3D-ish than the one with the balloon, this is also a good thing. Though, I still think that you would be better off without the gravestone monolith altogether. If you decide to keep it, try to make it slightly more 3D-ish. That way you would get a better feeling of depth in the picture. Actually the best screen to use as standard desktop would be the one with the clouds up in the top right corner. (flyinghigh-r2_fullscreen-normal-ratio.svg). It is calm with no nonsense. In fact it is even a bit boring which actually is a good thing for desktop backgrounds as it will not draw attention from your work. Perhaps the balloons and clouds could have a little smother 3D look though. Regards Uno Engborg ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Flying High with Fedora 7 - More 3D
tor 2007-02-01 klockan 20:53 -0500 skrev John Baer: Posted a revised wallpaper to the white board with more 3d elements. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2 +1 or -1 John The new 3d stuff looks great. However, drop the Monolith it only makes sense to Stanley Kubrick fans. To others, it looks more like a gravestone. Apart from bad grave associations, it draws a little too much attention to itself. Regards Uno Engborg ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Flying High Preview 2 Started
Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: Hi John, there are mixed two styles, *technical drawing* and *monolith* in RHGB,GDM Splash and GDM/KDE Desktop, I like the idea of *technical drawing*, so, follow it. Agree, the technical drawing style looks very good. Could just be that it is not so dark. On the downside, it may give the wrong signals To many people Linux is something that is tool technical, perhaps we should avoid remind them of that. But it do look good. Regards Uno Engborg ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Branding Wallpaper
John Baer wrote: Nicu wrote: I think this is excessive and unneeded branding: both for Fedora and the Desktop Environment. Nicu, Would your preference be no GDM/KDE branding but keep the fedora branding. Or... would you prefer all branding removed? To me, less branding would be better. People who see our artwork have allready chosen Fedora and probably doesn't need to be reminded of it all that much. It is also slightly disrespectful to high jack splash screens of other projekts such as OpenOffice, or KDE apps unless the fedora team have made some significant contribution to that app that makes it noticalbly different from the uppstream version. Regards Uno Engborg ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Usability aspects on desktop themse.
John Baer wrote: Uno, Thank you for your comments. I have been performing some usability tests with the Flying High Theme and the results are posted on the preview page. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighPreview Not bad! But the right cloud, the one over the balloon, looks a little too much like an animal of some sort. I sort picture it as pig. Perhaps we could get it a little more cumulus like. I also think that the colors are a bit dark, and it gives me a little sad impression. If the background was a little lighter there would be less contrast between the balloon and the background. This would make it a little less in the face of the user. Regards Uno Engborg ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Usability aspects on desktop themse.
Are you still interested in feedback on fc7 desktop themes? If so, I would say that the only theme that works well from usability and accessability perspetive would be the Fedora flying high theme The reason for this one being better is that, there are relatively few details and the details are larger than the size of icon. This means that there will be no camoflage effect. It is also quite even in colour. This means that icon text will be very readable regardless where you put your icon. There are also distinct areas with slightly different shades of blue depending on where on the screen an icon is placed. This makes it easier to memorize the position of an icon. The second best themes alternative would probably be Fedora Borealis, but please make the f:s and other items on the desktop a little larger so that visually challanged people can differentiate them from icons. Also make the aurora a little bit darker so that icon text gets better contrast. I would also suggest making the mountain at the bottom a little less symetric, that way it will be easier to remember where you place an icon. Regards Uno Engborg ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
