Re: Discussion About Echo Perspective
2009/1/9 Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com: Hi all, I've just posted a poll about Echo Perspective on Fedora Forum [1] to see our user base opinion and I'd like to hear the opinions of the Art Team members as well. As you are probably aware of, we are starting Echo Perspective and are selecting the designs to start with. All the design concepts are displayed together in our latest monthly issue [2]. I'd like to hear your opinions about these designs as I don't want this decision to be two people + user base poll only, and I'd like to see more people from the Art Team involved. Also being it the Art Team, I'd like this to be rather discussion than handful of +/-1 ;-) Thanks, Martin PS: Note for new members: do not hesitate to join the discussion, your opinion is as important to us as that of the old members :) References: [1] http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=210159 [2] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/MonthlyNews/Issue4-5 Hi martin, first of all i would like to say that i like the icons (color style). The shit looking color (i really mean shit) is out now and that really improves the icons that used brown. But now something i don't understand. You seemed to be a person heavily in favor of the isometric perspective.. what happened with that idea? is isometric gone and is this the new idea? For isometric it was relatively unique in both style and idea but this new perspective is nearly plain flat. I like the icons but they are not new and there are better looking ones out there. If you're going for this new idea then you can better just quit and use tango icon library and improve that where needed. The icons you've made already look a lot like tango. I never fully understood why a new theme had to be made anyway. I did (with isometric perspective) offer something different then tango but now with the flat design it simply doesn't offer anything new or better or revolutionary or anything. So please just using/modifying tango instead of making a new icon theme that looks nearly the same. Also other applications (pidgen and openoffice (i could be wrong about this one) and a range of other applications already use tango as there default icons so the full desktop experience will probably be a lot better if that's all just using tango. I know you can modify about every app in the fedora repo to have the icons you've developed but that's, to me, just a waste of developer time. Don't get me wrong! i like your icons! i just thing that there is already a icon theme exactly like it called Tango. Good luck, Mark ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Discussion About Echo Perspective
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 16:56 +0100, Mark wrote: Hi martin, Hi Mark, But now something i don't understand. You seemed to be a person heavily in favor of the isometric perspective.. what happened with that idea? is isometric gone and is this the new idea? For isometric it was relatively unique in both style and idea but this new perspective is nearly plain flat. I like the icons but they are not new and there are better looking ones out there. If you're going for this new idea then you can better just quit and use tango icon library and improve that where needed. The icons you've made already look a lot like tango. We aim with Echo to be the default icon set in Fedora. Because of the reasons you stated bellow it's better to make Echo as much consistent with gnome-icon-theme *and* oxygen as possible. Yet, we'd like to keep the Echo feel (that's why we cannot *just* modify tango). You can think of it as echo stylised tango. One the other hand, we'll continue with the isometric icons as well for those who'd like to have something more unique. In short, Echo Perspective aims to be good default, moderately consistent with upstream defaults, Echo whatever aims to be a unique set utilising different kind of projection (we use the dimetric projection, in our guidelines still called isometric perspective) than most icon themes use. I never fully understood why a new theme had to be made anyway. I did (with isometric perspective) offer something different then tango but now with the flat design it simply doesn't offer anything new or better or revolutionary or anything. So please just using/modifying tango instead of making a new icon theme that looks nearly the same. Also other applications (pidgen and openoffice (i could be wrong about this one) and a range of other applications already use tango as there default icons so the full desktop experience will probably be a lot better if that's all just using tango. I know you can modify about every app in the fedora repo to have the icons you've developed but that's, to me, just a waste of developer time. Don't get me wrong! i like your icons! i just thing that there is already a icon theme exactly like it called Tango. We'd like to be moderately consistent with Tango, but we want more lively colours and perhaps more realistic feel. It means the development can be way faster because we can reuse already developed tango or oxygen icons, only restyle them to have echo feel. But in some cases - e.g. folder or trash - we'd like to have more unique design. I also tried to do the same with the display - if you compare tango/mango/gnome/oxygen displays to my design, you'll notice many differences (personally, I don't the tango/mango design and the gnome design uses CRT monitor, which is sort of outdated). Good luck, Mark Thanks you for your comments and questions, Martin PS: If it goes on like this, I think we could have enough material to make a short FAQ page for Echo ;-) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Discussion About Echo Perspective
2009/1/11 Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com: On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 16:56 +0100, Mark wrote: Hi martin, Hi Mark, But now something i don't understand. You seemed to be a person heavily in favor of the isometric perspective.. what happened with that idea? is isometric gone and is this the new idea? For isometric it was relatively unique in both style and idea but this new perspective is nearly plain flat. I like the icons but they are not new and there are better looking ones out there. If you're going for this new idea then you can better just quit and use tango icon library and improve that where needed. The icons you've made already look a lot like tango. We aim with Echo to be the default icon set in Fedora. Because of the reasons you stated bellow it's better to make Echo as much consistent with gnome-icon-theme *and* oxygen as possible. Yet, we'd like to keep the Echo feel (that's why we cannot *just* modify tango). You can think of it as echo stylised tango. One the other hand, we'll continue with the isometric icons as well for those who'd like to have something more unique. In short, Echo Perspective aims to be good default, moderately consistent with upstream defaults, Echo whatever aims to be a unique set utilising different kind of projection (we use the dimetric projection, in our guidelines still called isometric perspective) than most icon themes use. I never fully understood why a new theme had to be made anyway. I did (with isometric perspective) offer something different then tango but now with the flat design it simply doesn't offer anything new or better or revolutionary or anything. So please just using/modifying tango instead of making a new icon theme that looks nearly the same. Also other applications (pidgen and openoffice (i could be wrong about this one) and a range of other applications already use tango as there default icons so the full desktop experience will probably be a lot better if that's all just using tango. I know you can modify about every app in the fedora repo to have the icons you've developed but that's, to me, just a waste of developer time. Don't get me wrong! i like your icons! i just thing that there is already a icon theme exactly like it called Tango. We'd like to be moderately consistent with Tango, but we want more lively colours and perhaps more realistic feel. It means the development can be way faster because we can reuse already developed tango or oxygen icons, only restyle them to have echo feel. But in some cases - e.g. folder or trash - we'd like to have more unique design. I also tried to do the same with the display - if you compare tango/mango/gnome/oxygen displays to my design, you'll notice many differences (personally, I don't the tango/mango design and the gnome design uses CRT monitor, which is sort of outdated). Good to see you changed your opinion here a bit with previous statements. You used to say that echo was unique and could not use modified oxygen or tango icons (or something along those lines). Anyways (your right about the monitor) you could mix the icons with http://jimmac.musichall.cz/i.php?i=Tango-NG as well. Good luck, Mark Thanks you for your comments and questions, Martin PS: If it goes on like this, I think we could have enough material to make a short FAQ page for Echo ;-) possible. i prefer questions answered by the creator (mainly you in this case) and not by some FAQ ^_^ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Discussion About Echo Perspective
Hi all, I've just posted a poll about Echo Perspective on Fedora Forum [1] to see our user base opinion and I'd like to hear the opinions of the Art Team members as well. As you are probably aware of, we are starting Echo Perspective and are selecting the designs to start with. All the design concepts are displayed together in our latest monthly issue [2]. I'd like to hear your opinions about these designs as I don't want this decision to be two people + user base poll only, and I'd like to see more people from the Art Team involved. Also being it the Art Team, I'd like this to be rather discussion than handful of +/-1 ;-) Thanks, Martin PS: Note for new members: do not hesitate to join the discussion, your opinion is as important to us as that of the old members :) References: [1] http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=210159 [2] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/MonthlyNews/Issue4-5 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
