Re: F11 Art Schedule
Máirín Duffy said the following on 04/07/2009 06:18 PM Pacific Time: cut (John, I apologize these are different than your numbering scheme.) That's okay :) 1. Wallpaper Design - We have the basic design from Samuele in 1920x1600: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:King_1920x1200.jpg - We will need this iterated out into the various standard, 4:3, and widescreen formats. Dual-screen would be nice too. 2. Plymouth Splash - Charlie is waiting on Samuele for a design for this it appears? 3. GNOME splash - we have these designs and I will happily adapt them to fit with the lion: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/mockups/splash/ 4. KDE splash - same as #3 above 5. full screen splash for syslinux - nothing yet 6. grub splash - nothing yet (not sure if this is on the task list) 7. gnome screensaver lock dialog - nothing yet 8. anaconda square splash - Samuele put some mocks together (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11#King_Concept) but as we agreed a week ago, these are a bit too busy and still need to be simplified: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00015.html 9. firstboot vertical header - Samuele put one together that looks great (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11#King_Concept) 10. kdm - nothing 11. wallpaper extras - I do not think this is on your task list John but I think we need to add it. I want to try to revive the wallpaper project Nicu started so we can ship some nice extras wallpapers so the default wallpaper isn't the only thing we do. I was wondering if anyone has time to help me out with this? Or is it too late right now to do something like this? It is also important to note that we are targeting the completion of final artwork and packaging a little less than two weeks from now on 2009-04-16 so that it can all be in the Preview Release and have two weeks to shake out anything that needs final fixing before GA. Thank you for this reminder and for helping keep us on track. It is really, really, really helpful. Just to make sure I continue to help you track the right things, can you tell me what the completion (or estimated completion) dates are the following items from: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/f-11-art-tasks.html 9. gnome splash screen Fri 2009-03-27 10. kde splash screen Fri 2009-03-27 11. Fullscreen splash for syslinux Fri 2009-03-27 12. gnome screensaver lock dialog Fri 2009-03-27 13. Square splash for anaconda and firstbootFri 2009-03-27 14. Anaconda horizontal header Fri 2009-03-27 15. Firstboot vertical header Fri 2009-03-27 16. Fullscreen grub splash Fri 2009-03-27 17. plymouth bootup/loading graphicsFri 2009-03-27 18. kdm login screen theme Fri 2009-03-27 21. Package Splash Screens Tue 2009-03-31 24. Finalize and Package All Release ArtworkThu 2009-04-16 Thanks, John ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper Extras - was: Re: F11 Art Schedule
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 12:36 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Martin, Mo, let breathe a bit and make a plan: - when do we need the extra wallpapers packaged? a deadline... since we talk about bitmaps, can we go with something absolutely minimal for the freeze and add a few more later? I think, freeze is irrelevant here. It's highly probable it won't be on any of the official spins, so having the package released at the same day as GA is IMHO fine. - do we require some minimal specs for the images, like a minimum resolution? Good uestion. How does 1600x1200 and 1600x1050 as the minimum reqs sounds? I think I have some images that could do for nice wallpapers (mostly flower macros) and knowing about a deadline would be useful to prioritize some work (selection, gimping, upload). Cool. I think Mo should have the last word about the deadline, but you can do some work nevertheless, should you have some spare time to do it. Another question is, should we package all the wallpapers on the wallpaper extras wiki [1], or are we going to hand-pick a few? Also, I don't recall the conversation back then, but when googling, I found this proposal [2] from Ian that sound like a pretty big improvement over our current set-up. It would require probably these steps: 1. reorganise the wallpaper extras wiki, create categories and templates 2. create an art-team space on fedora hosted (with git for the stored images) 3. create a script (be it in python, ruby, perl, bash, whatever) to pull the images together with info (author, cc attribution, ...) from wiki and put them in a sane format into the git repo Note that we would benefit from the fedorahosted space even more - i.e. we would have good place to store the release graphics (especially the wallpapers which currently contain the source archive only within the srpm) have a place to track our tasks (ticket system) and could also be a better place than wiki for the design queue. Martin [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras [2] http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-art-list@redhat.com/msg06898.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper Extras - was: Re: F11 Art Schedule
On 04/09/2009 12:57 PM, Martin Sourada wrote: On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 12:36 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: - do we require some minimal specs for the images, like a minimum resolution? Good uestion. How does 1600x1200 and 1600x1050 as the minimum reqs sounds? Those are absolute minimums. We can accept something lower only if it is vector image. But what could be a recommended rezolution? Another question is, should we package all the wallpapers on the wallpaper extras wiki [1], or are we going to hand-pick a few? If we open the gate and announce that widely, I think we will get *a lot* of images, ending with a huge package. IMO we can have two types of criteria to divide the images: - the quality, and I don't mean the *artistic* quality, but technical quality, for images with too much noise, bad focus or exposure, wrong aspect ratio and such; - the subject, someone wanting a nice landscape may not want to endure the download of a lot of flower macros and cute cats. Also, I don't recall the conversation back then, but when googling, I found this proposal [2] from Ian that sound like a pretty big improvement over our current set-up. It would require probably these steps: 1. reorganise the wallpaper extras wiki, create categories and templates 2. create an art-team space on fedora hosted (with git for the stored images) 3. create a script (be it in python, ruby, perl, bash, whatever) to pull the images together with info (author, cc attribution, ...) from wiki and put them in a sane format into the git repo Note that we would benefit from the fedorahosted space even more - i.e. we would have good place to store the release graphics (especially the wallpapers which currently contain the source archive only within the srpm) have a place to track our tasks (ticket system) and could also be a better place than wiki for the design queue. I would like a much lower barrier to entry, having an upload form there the contributor select a file to upload, check a few boxes and fill a few fields with keywords, press a button and is done (that sounds awfully close to a gallery software?). If the barrier is low and contribution easy, I am sure we will get more contributors. Ian's proposal sound better for the packager but somewhat complicated for the contributor. Martin [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras [2] http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-art-list@redhat.com/msg06898.html -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 Art Schedule
On 04/08/2009 04:18 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote: I think maybe we should add several tasks on the schedule for explicitly blogging / otherwise announce (maybe via Fedora weekly news, any other ideas?) the current status of the artwork so it's known more widely than this list next time around. I tried to closely cover the artwork development for Fedora Weekly News, but since we didn't have explicit requests, I had no requests for feedback to pass on. TASK LIST STATUS (John, I apologize these are different than your numbering scheme.) 1. Wallpaper Design - We have the basic design from Samuele in 1920x1600: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:King_1920x1200.jpg - We will need this iterated out into the various standard, 4:3, and widescreen formats. Dual-screen would be nice too. 2. Plymouth Splash - Charlie is waiting on Samuele for a design for this it appears? 3. GNOME splash - we have these designs and I will happily adapt them to fit with the lion: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/mockups/splash/ 4. KDE splash - same as #3 above 5. full screen splash for syslinux - nothing yet 6. grub splash - nothing yet (not sure if this is on the task list) 7. gnome screensaver lock dialog - nothing yet Just installed the F11 Beta on my desktop, it uses the GDM screen for unlocking the screen, so we don't need the screensaver lock dialog any more (at least on GNOME) 8. anaconda square splash - Samuele put some mocks together (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11#King_Concept) but as we agreed a week ago, these are a bit too busy and still need to be simplified: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00015.html 9. firstboot vertical header - Samuele put one together that looks great (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11#King_Concept) 10. kdm - nothing 11. wallpaper extras - I do not think this is on your task list John but I think we need to add it. I want to try to revive the wallpaper project Nicu started so we can ship some nice extras wallpapers so the default wallpaper isn't the only thing we do. I was wondering if anyone has time to help me out with this? Or is it too late right now to do something like this? I am not sure we have enough time for those extra wallpapers, what the deadline would be for them? Martin started the collection of the wiki and at the time he talked about packaging. Martin, are you still up for for packaging them? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 Art Schedule
Hi Máirín, thanks for detailed description of current status! On Wednesday 08 April 2009 03:18:00 Máirín Duffy wrote: (John, I apologize these are different than your numbering scheme.) 1. Wallpaper Design - We have the basic design from Samuele in 1920x1600: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:King_1920x1200.jpg - We will need this iterated out into the various standard, 4:3, and widescreen formats. Dual-screen would be nice too. It should go to to leonidas-backgrounds ASAP even it's not ready yet and not all versions are done. We talked about it with Nicu on IRC. 2. Plymouth Splash - Charlie is waiting on Samuele for a design for this it appears? 3. GNOME splash - we have these designs and I will happily adapt them to fit with the lion: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/mockups/splash/ 4. KDE splash - same as #3 above More likely same as #2 (and #1 too) as I'd like to go with fullscreen splash - one reason is some background image issues while using GDM, another I'd like to see same/similar user experience for user while booting as we had/have it for Solar. 5. full screen splash for syslinux - nothing yet 6. grub splash - nothing yet (not sure if this is on the task list) 7. gnome screensaver lock dialog - nothing yet 8. anaconda square splash - Samuele put some mocks together (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11#King_Concept) but as we agreed a week ago, these are a bit too busy and still need to be simplified: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00015.html 9. firstboot vertical header - Samuele put one together that looks great (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11#King_Concept) 10. kdm - nothing Waiting for #1 to see how is going final wallpaper to look... Easiest way is only do small changes for Solar theme, preferred way to prepare something matching theme ;-) Depends on time... As it's using same greeting XML as GDM, we can share it... 11. wallpaper extras - I do not think this is on your task list John but I think we need to add it. I want to try to revive the wallpaper project Nicu started so we can ship some nice extras wallpapers so the default wallpaper isn't the only thing we do. I was wondering if anyone has time to help me out with this? Or is it too late right now to do something like this? It is also important to note that we are targeting the completion of final artwork and packaging a little less than two weeks from now on 2009-04-16 so that it can all be in the Preview Release and have two weeks to shake out anything that needs final fixing before GA. Please prepare pre-packages sooner... There's lot of work on KDE side... Thank you for this reminder and for helping keep us on track. It is really, really, really helpful. One note to schedules: I think new artwork is feature and feature deadlines are really strict and really soon and I think artwork should be ready in time of feature freeze, to have time to respond users input for beta, then we can happily wait for release without rush :-) Jaroslav ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Jaroslav Řezník jrez...@redhat.com Associate Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno Office: +420 532 294 275 Mobile: +420 731 455 332 Red Hat, Inc. http://cz.redhat.com/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 Art Schedule
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 10:19 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 04/08/2009 04:18 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote: I think maybe we should add several tasks on the schedule for explicitly blogging / otherwise announce (maybe via Fedora weekly news, any other ideas?) the current status of the artwork so it's known more widely than this list next time around. I tried to closely cover the artwork development for Fedora Weekly News, but since we didn't have explicit requests, I had no requests for feedback to pass on. TASK LIST STATUS (John, I apologize these are different than your numbering scheme.) 1. Wallpaper Design - We have the basic design from Samuele in 1920x1600: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:King_1920x1200.jpg - We will need this iterated out into the various standard, 4:3, and widescreen formats. Dual-screen would be nice too. 2. Plymouth Splash - Charlie is waiting on Samuele for a design for this it appears? 3. GNOME splash - we have these designs and I will happily adapt them to fit with the lion: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/mockups/splash/ 4. KDE splash - same as #3 above 5. full screen splash for syslinux - nothing yet 6. grub splash - nothing yet (not sure if this is on the task list) 7. gnome screensaver lock dialog - nothing yet Just installed the F11 Beta on my desktop, it uses the GDM screen for unlocking the screen, so we don't need the screensaver lock dialog any more (at least on GNOME) 8. anaconda square splash - Samuele put some mocks together (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11#King_Concept) but as we agreed a week ago, these are a bit too busy and still need to be simplified: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00015.html 9. firstboot vertical header - Samuele put one together that looks great (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11#King_Concept) 10. kdm - nothing 11. wallpaper extras - I do not think this is on your task list John but I think we need to add it. I want to try to revive the wallpaper project Nicu started so we can ship some nice extras wallpapers so the default wallpaper isn't the only thing we do. I was wondering if anyone has time to help me out with this? Or is it too late right now to do something like this? I am not sure we have enough time for those extra wallpapers, what the deadline would be for them? Martin started the collection of the wiki and at the time he talked about packaging. Martin, are you still up for for packaging them? Yup, I hope to put some packages together as soon as I have enough time to do so. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 Art Schedule
Hi all, I was very busy in those days, for today I will post the final dual wide wallpaper. About the Anaconda image there's no refence needed 'cause I drawed it but my own as a vector part if you need it I can upload it on the wiki too. And for the Plymouth screen I'm not sure of what I have to do... I have to clean the anaconda header too today. see you later with some new stuffs. Samuele - Original Message - From: Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Wednesday, 8 April, 2009 3:18:00 AM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: Re: F11 Art Schedule Hi John, Thank you thank you for the email - - Original Message From: John Poelstra poels...@redhat.com As a casual reader of the list I know some things are still in flux and have changed and in some ways that is expected and good. It seems that because the wallpaper was in beta you received feedback in time to change course. Maybe we should build a feedback period into the Fedora 12 schedule? I think maybe we should add several tasks on the schedule for explicitly blogging / otherwise announce (maybe via Fedora weekly news, any other ideas?) the current status of the artwork so it's known more widely than this list next time around. I supported changing to the new design even though it has affected the schedule. I wonder how we should handle this in the future - it has affected the schedule negatively. We really need high-quality work like Samuele's work and I'm quite grateful for it, but I do not want to make a past-the-deadline-bend-the-rules thing a habit. o_O Jon McCann had some good ideas about doing more outreach to artists/photographers in the future and maybe doing a contest to try to get more artwork flowing in that he had shared with me a few weeks back. I think this might be a good new approach to try for F12. We've learned in past releases that it helps to keep track of how things go (in reality) compared to the estimated schedule so that the estimated schedule for the next release is more realistic and achievable. With that in mind, looking at the splash screen tasks listed in the link below I thought it would be a good idea to record what their completion dates were ore when you estimate they will be complete: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/f-11-art-tasks.html (task numbers 10 to 21) Here's what I know, and I hope Samuele will keep us appraised of his status and plans as well. If we don't hear from him by Thursday, I will take this Friday (10 April) to try finish up everything on the list that needs finishing and I'll try to do it on the list and in IRC as much as possible to keep the commnunication open. If anybody has time on Friday to jump in and help out, by all means, let's do it. (And if there's no plymouth splash by Thursday morning I'll take some time on Thursday to mock that up for Charlie, hopefully that's enough time before he has to leave for his conference, let me know if not Charlie!) IMAGE LICENSE CONCERNS === First, I want to point out our source image license issues. I am not 100% confident that we're clear here because I'm not sure every image used is referenced and I am not sure about the attribution requirements of the authors involved, but here's my understanding so far: 1) Spray paint brushes: http://www.blog.spoongraphics.co.uk/freebies/free-hi-res-spraypaint-photoshop-brushes-set-one http://www.blog.spoongraphics.co.uk/freebies/free-hi-res-spraypaint-photoshop-brushes-set-two Fedora Legal cleared these as Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 so they should be OK. 2) Rust Texture: Luca cleared these with the author, see email here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-March/msg00192.html The author explicitly mentioned he did not require attribution. 3) Lion photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tambako/494118044/ CC Attribution so shoudl be okay I have two more questions about this topic: 1) Do we know how tambako and spoongraphics require that they be attributed to we can properly attribute them? I am not confident a mention to their works on our wiki would be sufficient. Perhaps a mention in the wallpaper package spec or in the XML file that stores the metadata about the image for display in the GNOME background dialog/capplet? How should we attribute these authors? 2) Are there any other sources here that aren't being referenced and that we need to clear? I admittedly have not cracked open the source files yet, and I'll be pretty disappointed to find additional graphics that have not been referenced. There is a different lion image in the anaconda graphics. Where did it come from? TASK LIST STATUS (John, I apologize these are different than your numbering scheme.) 1. Wallpaper Design - We have the basic design from Samuele in 1920x1600: https
Wallpaper Extras - was: Re: F11 Art Schedule
On 04/08/2009 10:52 AM, Martin Sourada wrote: On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 10:19 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 04/08/2009 04:18 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote: 11. wallpaper extras - I do not think this is on your task list John but I think we need to add it. I want to try to revive the wallpaper project Nicu started so we can ship some nice extras wallpapers so the default wallpaper isn't the only thing we do. I was wondering if anyone has time to help me out with this? Or is it too late right now to do something like this? I am not sure we have enough time for those extra wallpapers, what the deadline would be for them? Martin started the collection of the wiki and at the time he talked about packaging. Martin, are you still up for for packaging them? Yup, I hope to put some packages together as soon as I have enough time to do so. Martin, Mo, let breathe a bit and make a plan: - when do we need the extra wallpapers packaged? a deadline... since we talk about bitmaps, can we go with something absolutely minimal for the freeze and add a few more later? - do we require some minimal specs for the images, like a minimum resolution? I think I have some images that could do for nice wallpapers (mostly flower macros) and knowing about a deadline would be useful to prioritize some work (selection, gimping, upload). -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 Art Schedule
On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 10:00:46AM +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: - Original Message - From: Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Wednesday, 8 April, 2009 3:18:00 AM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: Re: F11 Art Schedule 2) Are there any other sources here that aren't being referenced and that we need to clear? I admittedly have not cracked open the source files yet, and I'll be pretty disappointed to find additional graphics that have not been referenced. There is a different lion image in the anaconda graphics. Where did it come from? Hi all, I was very busy in those days, for today I will post the final dual wide wallpaper. About the Anaconda image there's no refence needed 'cause I drawed it but my own as a vector part if you need it I can upload it on the wiki too. And for the Plymouth screen I'm not sure of what I have to do... I have to clean the anaconda header too today. see you later with some new stuffs. Samuele, Having the source is very important, so yes, please upload it on the wiki as well. So that lion in the anaconda image is your original work? It's MARVELOUS! Is it wrong of me to think that the lion's paws hanging over the edge of the graphic are really cool? :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgp4nGooXkiQL.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 Art Schedule
- Original Message From: Samuele Storari sstor...@byte-code.com I was very busy in those days, for today I will post the final dual wide wallpaper. Good to hear from you! I really look forward to seeing (and trying out) the dual wide :) About the Anaconda image there's no refence needed 'cause I drawed it but my own as a vector part if you need it I can upload it on the wiki too. Yeh, the vector source file would be really helpful! Please post it! And for the Plymouth screen I'm not sure of what I have to do... You had said you'd make another mockup... I have to clean the anaconda header too today. see you later with some new stuffs. Can you let us know what things you are working on so we'll know where the gaps are so we can help make the deadline? :)? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 Art Schedule
On 04/08/2009 04:46 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote: From: Samuele Storari: And for the Plymouth screen I'm not sure of what I have to do... You had said you'd make another mockup... Or we can just go with Charlie's fourth design, we seemed to converge on earlier. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 Art Schedule
Hi all Ok, I've early finish to upload the wide wallpaper and the sources too. You can find all the materials on the wiki page. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:King_4070x1536.jpg The header here was corrected I don't change the source cause I've only turned off the visibility of one layer https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Anaconda_promp_screen_mockup.jpg And the Anaconda Lions SVG too https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/7/75/Anaconda_central_part.svg For the plymouth I'd understand we use the greck style up and down my theme. For other question... I'm here. Ciao Samuele - Original Message - From: Paul W. Frields sticks...@gmail.com To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Wednesday, 8 April, 2009 1:52:17 PM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: Re: F11 Art Schedule On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 10:00:46AM +0200, Samuele Storari wrote: - Original Message - From: Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Wednesday, 8 April, 2009 3:18:00 AM GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlin / Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Vienna Subject: Re: F11 Art Schedule 2) Are there any other sources here that aren't being referenced and that we need to clear? I admittedly have not cracked open the source files yet, and I'll be pretty disappointed to find additional graphics that have not been referenced. There is a different lion image in the anaconda graphics. Where did it come from? Hi all, I was very busy in those days, for today I will post the final dual wide wallpaper. About the Anaconda image there's no refence needed 'cause I drawed it but my own as a vector part if you need it I can upload it on the wiki too. And for the Plymouth screen I'm not sure of what I have to do... I have to clean the anaconda header too today. see you later with some new stuffs. Samuele, Having the source is very important, so yes, please upload it on the wiki as well. So that lion in the anaconda image is your original work? It's MARVELOUS! Is it wrong of me to think that the lion's paws hanging over the edge of the graphic are really cool? :-) -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Samuele Storari Art Director Byte-Code srl mobile: +39 347 50 798 32 office: +39 02 9840047 http://www.byte-code.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 Art Schedule
Samuele Storari wrote: For the plymouth I'd understand we use the greck style up and down my theme. The background is still TBD but here is a possible progress bar in the style of the theme [1]. Talking to Jaroslav, I think we can make an identical effect for the KDM too. What do people think? I can tweak it (make is slower/faster more/less wobbly). [1] http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/splash_leo.mpg ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 Art Schedule
Paul W. Frields wrote: On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 07:44:52AM -0700, John Poelstra wrote: Back in January I met with Mairin and others at FUDCon to plot the art schedule for Fedora 11. As a casual reader of the list I know some things are still in flux and have changed and in some ways that is expected and good. It seems that because the wallpaper was in beta you received feedback in time to change course. Maybe we should build a feedback period into the Fedora 12 schedule? Just shamelessly bumping John's post... Does anyone have thoughts on the following questions? I guess the others where trying to pass the burden of answering to Mo but she was busy at work. * Should there be a feedback period built into the F12 schedule? This release cycle was a bit unusual, as we didn't have multiple design concepts and rounds, we also didn't have blog posts about them, so the visibility somehow decreased. I don't think we need a feedback period, we need to get some graphics (concepts) as soon as possible to get feedback from the early stages. Is not useful if one week before the freeze we learn that everything is not good enough, we have to scrap it and restart. * How can we improve the schedule of dates for Artwork deliverables, so that they're more realistic or constructive? * What other changes should we make? For both of those questions I think the best thing is that after the Preview Release, when we do not have the pressure of the F11 graphics on us, stay down and talk about what we learned and how do we plan to work for F12, get back to 3 rounds and the competing concepts, try once more a single concept, link or not to the release name and so on. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/ photography: http://photoblog.nicubunu.ro/ my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 Art Schedule
Hi John, Thank you thank you for the email - - Original Message From: John Poelstra poels...@redhat.com As a casual reader of the list I know some things are still in flux and have changed and in some ways that is expected and good. It seems that because the wallpaper was in beta you received feedback in time to change course. Maybe we should build a feedback period into the Fedora 12 schedule? I think maybe we should add several tasks on the schedule for explicitly blogging / otherwise announce (maybe via Fedora weekly news, any other ideas?) the current status of the artwork so it's known more widely than this list next time around. I supported changing to the new design even though it has affected the schedule. I wonder how we should handle this in the future - it has affected the schedule negatively. We really need high-quality work like Samuele's work and I'm quite grateful for it, but I do not want to make a past-the-deadline-bend-the-rules thing a habit. o_O Jon McCann had some good ideas about doing more outreach to artists/photographers in the future and maybe doing a contest to try to get more artwork flowing in that he had shared with me a few weeks back. I think this might be a good new approach to try for F12. We've learned in past releases that it helps to keep track of how things go (in reality) compared to the estimated schedule so that the estimated schedule for the next release is more realistic and achievable. With that in mind, looking at the splash screen tasks listed in the link below I thought it would be a good idea to record what their completion dates were ore when you estimate they will be complete: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/f-11-art-tasks.html (task numbers 10 to 21) Here's what I know, and I hope Samuele will keep us appraised of his status and plans as well. If we don't hear from him by Thursday, I will take this Friday (10 April) to try finish up everything on the list that needs finishing and I'll try to do it on the list and in IRC as much as possible to keep the commnunication open. If anybody has time on Friday to jump in and help out, by all means, let's do it. (And if there's no plymouth splash by Thursday morning I'll take some time on Thursday to mock that up for Charlie, hopefully that's enough time before he has to leave for his conference, let me know if not Charlie!) IMAGE LICENSE CONCERNS === First, I want to point out our source image license issues. I am not 100% confident that we're clear here because I'm not sure every image used is referenced and I am not sure about the attribution requirements of the authors involved, but here's my understanding so far: 1) Spray paint brushes: http://www.blog.spoongraphics.co.uk/freebies/free-hi-res-spraypaint-photoshop-brushes-set-one http://www.blog.spoongraphics.co.uk/freebies/free-hi-res-spraypaint-photoshop-brushes-set-two Fedora Legal cleared these as Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 so they should be OK. 2) Rust Texture: Luca cleared these with the author, see email here: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-March/msg00192.html The author explicitly mentioned he did not require attribution. 3) Lion photo: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tambako/494118044/ CC Attribution so shoudl be okay I have two more questions about this topic: 1) Do we know how tambako and spoongraphics require that they be attributed to we can properly attribute them? I am not confident a mention to their works on our wiki would be sufficient. Perhaps a mention in the wallpaper package spec or in the XML file that stores the metadata about the image for display in the GNOME background dialog/capplet? How should we attribute these authors? 2) Are there any other sources here that aren't being referenced and that we need to clear? I admittedly have not cracked open the source files yet, and I'll be pretty disappointed to find additional graphics that have not been referenced. There is a different lion image in the anaconda graphics. Where did it come from? TASK LIST STATUS (John, I apologize these are different than your numbering scheme.) 1. Wallpaper Design - We have the basic design from Samuele in 1920x1600: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:King_1920x1200.jpg - We will need this iterated out into the various standard, 4:3, and widescreen formats. Dual-screen would be nice too. 2. Plymouth Splash - Charlie is waiting on Samuele for a design for this it appears? 3. GNOME splash - we have these designs and I will happily adapt them to fit with the lion: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/mockups/splash/ 4. KDE splash - same as #3 above 5. full screen splash for syslinux - nothing yet 6. grub splash - nothing yet (not sure if this is on the task list) 7. gnome screensaver lock dialog - nothing yet 8. anaconda square splash - Samuele put some
Re: F11 Art Schedule
- Original Message From: Máirín Duffy mai...@linuxgrrl.com Here's what I know, and I hope Samuele will keep us appraised of his status and plans as well. If we don't hear from him by Thursday, I will take this Friday (10 April) to try finish up everything on the list that needs finishing and I'll try to do it on the list and in IRC as much as possible to keep the commnunication open. If anybody has time on Friday to jump in and help out, by all means, let's do it. Err... taking my foot out of my mouth... Friday I might not actually be in town, so I'm going to block off Thursday as the day to dive in and polish stuff off! ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 Art Schedule
On Fri, Apr 03, 2009 at 07:44:52AM -0700, John Poelstra wrote: Back in January I met with Mairin and others at FUDCon to plot the art schedule for Fedora 11. As a casual reader of the list I know some things are still in flux and have changed and in some ways that is expected and good. It seems that because the wallpaper was in beta you received feedback in time to change course. Maybe we should build a feedback period into the Fedora 12 schedule? We've learned in past releases that it helps to keep track of how things go (in reality) compared to the estimated schedule so that the estimated schedule for the next release is more realistic and achievable. With that in mind, looking at the splash screen tasks listed in the link below I thought it would be a good idea to record what their completion dates were ore when you estimate they will be complete: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/f-11-art-tasks.html (task numbers 10 to 21) It is also important to note that we are targeting the completion of final artwork and packaging a little less than two weeks from now on 2009-04-16 so that it can all be in the Preview Release and have two weeks to shake out anything that needs final fixing before GA. Just shamelessly bumping John's post... Does anyone have thoughts on the following questions? * Should there be a feedback period built into the F12 schedule? * How can we improve the schedule of dates for Artwork deliverables, so that they're more realistic or constructive? * What other changes should we make? -- Paul W. Frieldshttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 http://redhat.com/ - - - - http://pfrields.fedorapeople.org/ irc.freenode.net: stickster @ #fedora-docs, #fedora-devel, #fredlug pgp4wkBeoGa5o.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
F11 Art Schedule
Hi, Back in January I met with Mairin and others at FUDCon to plot the art schedule for Fedora 11. As a casual reader of the list I know some things are still in flux and have changed and in some ways that is expected and good. It seems that because the wallpaper was in beta you received feedback in time to change course. Maybe we should build a feedback period into the Fedora 12 schedule? We've learned in past releases that it helps to keep track of how things go (in reality) compared to the estimated schedule so that the estimated schedule for the next release is more realistic and achievable. With that in mind, looking at the splash screen tasks listed in the link below I thought it would be a good idea to record what their completion dates were ore when you estimate they will be complete: http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-11/f-11-art-tasks.html (task numbers 10 to 21) It is also important to note that we are targeting the completion of final artwork and packaging a little less than two weeks from now on 2009-04-16 so that it can all be in the Preview Release and have two weeks to shake out anything that needs final fixing before GA. Thanks, John ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
