Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-30 Thread Marek Mahut
Jeff,

Jeff Spaleta wrote:
 On Nov 24, 2007 12:40 PM, Marek Mahut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, the old habits can be always changed.
 
 The names of real people have really interesting trademark and
 copyright issues.  I would really like to avoid the potential
 complication of having to license the use of a person's likeness in
 the production of a fedora release.

Hm, I don't think so, for example Zimbra is using names for their
releases. And I guess that titles of movies and names of wines has
stronger trademark as a human name :)

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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-24 Thread Marek Mahut
Laith Juwaidah wrote:
 On Friday 23 November 2007 15:32:01 Marek Mahut wrote:
 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
 Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) .
 Why always choose sense-less names? :) I'm wondering why not take a name
 of person to show their merits (from scientifics to lobbists).

Fedora 9 codename Copernic
   sounds great to me :)

 This would have more culture and human feeling that moonshine or
 werewolf.
 
 Read the bases on which a name should be chosen here:
 http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Names

Well, the old habits can be always changed.

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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-24 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Nov 24, 2007 12:40 PM, Marek Mahut [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Well, the old habits can be always changed.

The names of real people have really interesting trademark and
copyright issues.  I would really like to avoid the potential
complication of having to license the use of a person's likeness in
the production of a fedora release.

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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-23 Thread Laith Juwaidah
On Friday 23 November 2007 15:32:01 Marek Mahut wrote:
 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
  Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) .

 Why always choose sense-less names? :) I'm wondering why not take a name
 of person to show their merits (from scientifics to lobbists).

Fedora 9 codename Copernic
   sounds great to me :)

 This would have more culture and human feeling that moonshine or
 werewolf.

Read the bases on which a name should be chosen here:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Names

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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-23 Thread Marek Mahut
Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
 Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) .


Why always choose sense-less names? :) I'm wondering why not take a name
of person to show their merits (from scientifics to lobbists).

   Fedora 9 codename Copernic
  sounds great to me :)

This would have more culture and human feeling that moonshine or
werewolf.

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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-13 Thread Laith Juwaidah
On Tuesday 13 November 2007 10:01:03 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
 +1 for Galaxy

 Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 20:50 -0300, Sven von Brand Laredo

 pisze:
  Hisham Abdel-Magid wrote:
   how about AngelWings ? (i am still in favour with reaching higher
   then reaching to infinity styles) ..
 
  Going for the same flavour, how about something space like, Shuttle or
  SpaceShip or Galaxy.
 
  Greetings

Finally! Something different :P
Have you read Michael Beckwith's post titled F9 theming [1]?
It suggests that the theme should represent freedom (since the current theme 
is Infinity)...
So I thought of Naming F9 based on that too... I did some research on the 
internet, and I found this [2].
But, since we just can't call it Bald Eagle, I looked on wikipedia [3].
In the synonyms, there's a name in Latin that goes back to 1766, which 
is Falco leucocephalus, but since that is too long, I thought that calling 
it Falco is just right! It'll be an Eagle :)
What do you think?

[1] 
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2007-November/msg00106.html
[2] http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20060904174930AAS81GP
[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bald_eagle
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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-13 Thread Ben Arnold
What about something that has something to do with the release time?

What's going on in May 2008?

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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-13 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Nov 13, 2007 8:32 AM, Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 So we can for example just keep picking city names
 or flower names over and over again.

err can not keep picking...

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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-13 Thread Laith Juwaidah
On Tuesday 13 November 2007 21:32:15 Jeff Spaleta wrote:
 On Nov 12, 2007 10:58 PM, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
   Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) .
 
  I absolutely hate to be that guy but... the name decision is not ours
  (Art Team) to make and traditionally now is also too early for it.

 Is it too early? I think there are proposed changes for the
 development process which would put the naming process earlier in
 part to get the art team time to have the option to build a theme
 associated with the codename.

 Regardless of when it happens, there are established rules for the
 name game, which I assume people in this thread are not aware of.
 Names between releases must relate.  Release N+1 must be named such
 that releaser N+1 relates to N, such that releases N+1 and N-1 are not
 similarly related.  So we can for example just keep picking city names
 or flower names over and over again.

 The rules for F9 as I understand them are:
 The relationship that connects Moonshine and Werewolf cannot be re-used.
 The F9 name and werewolf must share are both are relationship.
 The F9 name and moonshine must not share a both are relationship
 You also should provide an obvious next relationship that can be used
 to connect the name to F9 to F10

 The Unicorn example I provided follows the name game rules. I stated
 the N+1 to N relationship explicitly.  Both a unicorn and a werewolf
 are mythical creatures whereas moonshine is not.
 I also hinted at the next relationship that can be used to move beyond
 unicorn.  Unicorn was the mascot for my high school, so for F10 you
 could move from unicorn to any high school mascot that was not a
 mystical creature. Though that's actually not a good out. A better out
 would be Tom Cruise movie co-stars (a unicorn was in the movie
 Legend).

 Names like galaxy or night bird need to be given in the context of
 the N+1 and  N  are a something,  but N+1 and N-1 are not a
 something rule.  The naming isn't  random, but its constrained by how
 clever we are coming up with relationships between the names.

 -jef

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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-13 Thread Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek
I'll always say what I think is better... Do not go so high - to the
planets :P .

Maybe Dog or Wolf... Relations with Werewolf are obvious xD .

Dnia 13-11-2007, wto o godzinie 21:44 +0400, Laith Juwaidah pisze:
 On Tuesday 13 November 2007 21:32:15 Jeff Spaleta wrote:
  On Nov 12, 2007 10:58 PM, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) .
  
   I absolutely hate to be that guy but... the name decision is not ours
   (Art Team) to make and traditionally now is also too early for it.
 
  Is it too early? I think there are proposed changes for the
  development process which would put the naming process earlier in
  part to get the art team time to have the option to build a theme
  associated with the codename.
 
  Regardless of when it happens, there are established rules for the
  name game, which I assume people in this thread are not aware of.
  Names between releases must relate.  Release N+1 must be named such
  that releaser N+1 relates to N, such that releases N+1 and N-1 are not
  similarly related.  So we can for example just keep picking city names
  or flower names over and over again.
 
  The rules for F9 as I understand them are:
  The relationship that connects Moonshine and Werewolf cannot be re-used.
  The F9 name and werewolf must share are both are relationship.
  The F9 name and moonshine must not share a both are relationship
  You also should provide an obvious next relationship that can be used
  to connect the name to F9 to F10
 
  The Unicorn example I provided follows the name game rules. I stated
  the N+1 to N relationship explicitly.  Both a unicorn and a werewolf
  are mythical creatures whereas moonshine is not.
  I also hinted at the next relationship that can be used to move beyond
  unicorn.  Unicorn was the mascot for my high school, so for F10 you
  could move from unicorn to any high school mascot that was not a
  mystical creature. Though that's actually not a good out. A better out
  would be Tom Cruise movie co-stars (a unicorn was in the movie
  Legend).
 
  Names like galaxy or night bird need to be given in the context of
  the N+1 and  N  are a something,  but N+1 and N-1 are not a
  something rule.  The naming isn't  random, but its constrained by how
  clever we are coming up with relationships between the names.
 
  -jef
 
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 for F10 :)
 
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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-13 Thread Martin Sourada
On Tue, 2007-11-13 at 18:32 +0100, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
 On Nov 12, 2007 10:58 PM, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
   Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) .
 
  I absolutely hate to be that guy but... the name decision is not ours
  (Art Team) to make and traditionally now is also too early for it.
 
 Is it too early? I think there are proposed changes for the
 development process which would put the naming process earlier in
 part to get the art team time to have the option to build a theme
 associated with the codename.
 
 Regardless of when it happens, there are established rules for the
 name game, which I assume people in this thread are not aware of.
 Names between releases must relate.  Release N+1 must be named such
 that releaser N+1 relates to N, such that releases N+1 and N-1 are not
 similarly related.  So we can for example just keep picking city names
 or flower names over and over again.
 
 The rules for F9 as I understand them are:
 The relationship that connects Moonshine and Werewolf cannot be re-used.
 The F9 name and werewolf must share are both are relationship.
 The F9 name and moonshine must not share a both are relationship
 You also should provide an obvious next relationship that can be used
 to connect the name to F9 to F10
 
 The Unicorn example I provided follows the name game rules. I stated
 the N+1 to N relationship explicitly.  Both a unicorn and a werewolf
 are mythical creatures whereas moonshine is not.
 I also hinted at the next relationship that can be used to move beyond
 unicorn.  Unicorn was the mascot for my high school, so for F10 you
 could move from unicorn to any high school mascot that was not a
 mystical creature. Though that's actually not a good out. A better out
 would be Tom Cruise movie co-stars (a unicorn was in the movie
 Legend).
 
 Names like galaxy or night bird need to be given in the context of
 the N+1 and  N  are a something,  but N+1 and N-1 are not a
 something rule.  The naming isn't  random, but its constrained by how
 clever we are coming up with relationships between the names.
 
 -jef
 

I am aware of these rules, so I'll explicitly say what I meant with my
name suggestion(s) and also add one more:

Nosferatu / Dracula / Draculina / Vampire (whoever)
 * A mythical half-beast, like a werewolf
 * For F-10 (or F-X?) we could use one of the connections to vampires
via many films they were in...

And the promised one

Uroboros / Glaurung / Dragon (whoever)
 * Mythical creature
 * Can be succeeded by any of the heroes, characters, ... from films,
literature, games... (personally I'd follow with Beowulf)
 
 * Uroboros (though the word itself does not sound to me much nice) has
some good connection to Fedora itself, as it symbolises infinity and
unity, in words from wikipedia[1]:

   It has been used to represent many things over the ages, but it most
generally symbolizes ideas of cyclicality, unity, or infinity.
 
 * Glaurung is the first dragon ever born in Tolkien's mythology

Martin

References:
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros

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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-13 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Nov 13, 2007 9:51 AM, Martin Sourada [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  * Uroboros (though the word itself does not sound to me much nice) has
 some good connection to Fedora itself, as it symbolises infinity and
 unity, in words from wikipedia[1]:

clever.

-jef

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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-13 Thread Michael Beckwith
I'd vote for a dragon based one. I already named all 3 of my local hosts 
in relation to dragons. IceDragon, WaterDragon, and FireDragon


Martin Sourada wrote:

I am aware of these rules, so I'll explicitly say what I meant with my
name suggestion(s) and also add one more:

Nosferatu / Dracula / Draculina / Vampire (whoever)
 * A mythical half-beast, like a werewolf
 * For F-10 (or F-X?) we could use one of the connections to vampires
via many films they were in...

And the promised one

Uroboros / Glaurung / Dragon (whoever)
 * Mythical creature
 * Can be succeeded by any of the heroes, characters, ... from films,
literature, games... (personally I'd follow with Beowulf)
 
 * Uroboros (though the word itself does not sound to me much nice) has

some good connection to Fedora itself, as it symbolises infinity and
unity, in words from wikipedia[1]:

   It has been used to represent many things over the ages, but it most
generally symbolizes ideas of cyclicality, unity, or infinity.
 
 * Glaurung is the first dragon ever born in Tolkien's mythology


Martin

References:
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros

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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-13 Thread Marc Schwartz
Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 On Nov 12, 2007 10:58 PM, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
  Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) .

 I absolutely hate to be that guy but... the name decision is not ours
 (Art Team) to make and traditionally now is also too early for it.

 Is it too early? I think there are proposed changes for the
 development process which would put the naming process earlier in
 part to get the art team time to have the option to build a theme
 associated with the codename.

 Regardless of when it happens, there are established rules for the
 name game, which I assume people in this thread are not aware of.
 Names between releases must relate.  Release N+1 must be named such
 that releaser N+1 relates to N, such that releases N+1 and N-1 are not
 similarly related.  So we can for example just keep picking city names
 or flower names over and over again.

 The rules for F9 as I understand them are:
 The relationship that connects Moonshine and Werewolf cannot be re-used.
 The F9 name and werewolf must share are both are relationship.
 The F9 name and moonshine must not share a both are relationship
 You also should provide an obvious next relationship that can be used
 to connect the name to F9 to F10

 The Unicorn example I provided follows the name game rules. I stated
 the N+1 to N relationship explicitly.  Both a unicorn and a werewolf
 are mythical creatures whereas moonshine is not.
 I also hinted at the next relationship that can be used to move beyond
 unicorn.  Unicorn was the mascot for my high school, so for F10 you
 could move from unicorn to any high school mascot that was not a
 mystical creature. Though that's actually not a good out. A better out
 would be Tom Cruise movie co-stars (a unicorn was in the movie
 Legend).

 Names like galaxy or night bird need to be given in the context of
 the N+1 and  N  are a something,  but N+1 and N-1 are not a
 something rule.  The naming isn't  random, but its constrained by how
 clever we are coming up with relationships between the names.

 -jef

I was not aware of the guidelines you note above. That being said, I
think that Bellerophon could fit, since it is a mythical character and
could then lead us into the domain of sci-fi, which is then wide
open...

Of course, the Six Degrees of Tom Cruise would lead us into some
interesting territory...

:-)

Marc

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F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-12 Thread Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek
Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) .

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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-12 Thread Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek
Nosferatu? Dracula is nicer than Nosferatu. Also, N. is so classic and
oldschool.

I wonder if Fedora go a dreamy... not scary way :] .

Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 20:29 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze:
 On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 20:01 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
  Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) .
  
 
 I would go for Nosferatu [1] (nice connection to Werewolf)...
 
 
 References:
 [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosferatu_%28word%29
 
 
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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-12 Thread María Leandro
I vote for nightbird or something like that...



2007/11/12, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Nosferatu? Dracula is nicer than Nosferatu. Also, N. is so classic and
 oldschool.

 I wonder if Fedora go a dreamy... not scary way :] .

 Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 20:29 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze:
  On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 20:01 +0100, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
   Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) .
  
 
  I would go for Nosferatu [1] (nice connection to Werewolf)...
 
 
  References:
  [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosferatu_%28word%29
 
 
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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-12 Thread Jeff Spaleta
Unicorn, like a werewolf is a mythical creature.

-jefand the best high school sports mascot everspaleta

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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-12 Thread Jeff Spaleta
On Nov 12, 2007 10:54 AM, Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Unicorn, like a werewolf is a mythical creature.

 -jefand the best high school sports mascot everspaleta



Plus, unicorns give you a legitimate reason to use a purple-y color
palette!  And i think we can all agree that more purple would be a
good thing.

-jefOnce you go purple, you never go backspaleta

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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-12 Thread Laith Juwaidah
On Monday 12 November 2007 23:58:45 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
 Myths... Maybe Athena, Mars, Zeus/Dzeus or others?
 Please, don't...

 Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 10:54 -0900, Jeff Spaleta pisze:
  Unicorn, like a werewolf is a mythical creature.
 
  -jefand the best high school sports mascot everspaleta
 
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Why does it have to be Mozila-applications-like names?
ThunderBird! FireFox! GreaseMonkey! FlyingCow! SingingDog! BarkingDove! 
GlowingBull! ThinkingMouse! SqueakingRabbit! HissingKangaroo! :P
I admit that these names are funny and cool, but... OK! How about something 
that is actually happening? It's name should be inspired by what's happening, 
or what to expect from it, for example, if we're expecting F9 to 
revolutionize the way we deal with comps :-/ It should be 
called Revolution...

But, to go with the flow, do you guys like the name Mocking Bird? I don't 
know what that bird is, but I like a song called the mocking bird :)

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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-12 Thread Marc Schwartz
Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Myths... Maybe Athena, Mars, Zeus/Dzeus or others?
 Please, don't...

 Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 10:54 -0900, Jeff Spaleta pisze:
 Unicorn, like a werewolf is a mythical creature.
 
 -jefand the best high school sports mascot everspaleta


How about Bellerophon?

Not only a mythical and heroic figure, but a name from my all time favorite
sci-fi movie Forbidden Planet. Also, my current system host name:

$ echo $HOSTNAME
Bellerophon

;-)

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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-12 Thread Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek
Revolution... I like it. I have idea for wallpaper for Revolution code
name. Black whole :] .

Dnia 13-11-2007, wto o godzinie 00:25 +0400, Laith Juwaidah pisze:
 On Monday 12 November 2007 23:58:45 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:
  Myths... Maybe Athena, Mars, Zeus/Dzeus or others?
  Please, don't...
 
  Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 10:54 -0900, Jeff Spaleta pisze:
   Unicorn, like a werewolf is a mythical creature.
  
   -jefand the best high school sports mascot everspaleta
  
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 Why does it have to be Mozila-applications-like names?
 ThunderBird! FireFox! GreaseMonkey! FlyingCow! SingingDog! BarkingDove! 
 GlowingBull! ThinkingMouse! SqueakingRabbit! HissingKangaroo! :P
 I admit that these names are funny and cool, but... OK! How about something 
 that is actually happening? It's name should be inspired by what's happening, 
 or what to expect from it, for example, if we're expecting F9 to 
 revolutionize the way we deal with comps :-/ It should be 
 called Revolution...
 
 But, to go with the flow, do you guys like the name Mocking Bird? I don't 
 know what that bird is, but I like a song called the mocking bird :)
 
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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-12 Thread Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek
Use pink xD .

Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 11:25 -0900, Jeff Spaleta pisze:
 On Nov 12, 2007 10:54 AM, Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Unicorn, like a werewolf is a mythical creature.
 
  -jefand the best high school sports mascot everspaleta
 
 
 
 Plus, unicorns give you a legitimate reason to use a purple-y color
 palette!  And i think we can all agree that more purple would be a
 good thing.
 
 -jefOnce you go purple, you never go backspaleta
 
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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-12 Thread Hisham Abdel-Magid
how about AngelWings ? (i am still in favour with reaching higher then
reaching to infinity styles) ..

Hisham

On 11/12/07, Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Unicord are related to kids... I don't want to have kid-styled Fedora.
 I'll be fighting, believe me - it's reason you'll hate me.

 Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 21:39 +0100, Martin Sourada pisze:
  On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 21:37 +0100, Matthias Clasen wrote:
   On Mon, 2007-11-12 at 11:25 -0900, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On Nov 12, 2007 10:54 AM, Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Unicorn, like a werewolf is a mythical creature.

 -jefand the best high school sports mascot everspaleta

   
   
Plus, unicorns give you a legitimate reason to use a purple-y color
palette!  And i think we can all agree that more purple would be a
good thing.
  
   Don't you mean gray ?
  
   http://www.gifttrap.com/images/Rhino_Kenya.jpg
  
  
 
  Maybe he means pink
 
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Pink_Unicorn
 
 
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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-12 Thread JArod Wen
Myths words... How about centaur(a robust Fedora), or chimerical(a 
imaginative Fedora)?


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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-12 Thread Marc Schwartz
JArod Wen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Myths words... How about centaur(a robust Fedora), or chimerical(a
 imaginative Fedora)?

Bellerophon killed the Chimera...

;-)

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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-12 Thread Máirín Duffy

Jeff Spaleta wrote:

On Nov 12, 2007 10:54 AM, Jeff Spaleta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Unicorn, like a werewolf is a mythical creature.

-jefand the best high school sports mascot everspaleta




Plus, unicorns give you a legitimate reason to use a purple-y color
palette!  And i think we can all agree that more purple would be a
good thing.

-jefOnce you go purple, you never go backspaleta


unicorns are like ponies. +1

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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-12 Thread Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek
+1 for Galaxy

Dnia 12-11-2007, pon o godzinie 20:50 -0300, Sven von Brand Laredo
pisze:
 Hisham Abdel-Magid wrote:
  how about AngelWings ? (i am still in favour with reaching higher then 
  reaching to infinity styles) ..
 
 Going for the same flavour, how about something space like, Shuttle or 
 SpaceShip or Galaxy.
 
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Re: F9 Name Proposal

2007-11-12 Thread Nicu Buculei

Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek wrote:

Simply - Owl, Nightbird, Humming or Bird :) .


I absolutely hate to be that guy but... the name decision is not ours 
(Art Team) to make and traditionally now is also too early for it.


With this said, of course I have a few ideas of my own.

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