Legal issues with InvinXble? (I doubt so)
Hi, I haven't read the whole discussion yet, but I feel greatly disappointed with what I read so far. First, I have an impression that Mo and Nicu are somehow biased against Samuele's work. First, some weeks ago, Mo kept asking Samuele about Moon brushes in the Solar theme, when the Moons were already removed from the artwork, next there is the problem in katana. As nicu pointed out, the original design indeed resembles the Kill Bill poster, but even though I saw the .ogv file he provided, I am not 100% convinced Samuele used that katana. But that's beyond the point - we all know, the original katana had some licensing issues and Samuele just wasn't educated enough in that area to discover them himself. What I'd like to point out is that Nicu is greatly wrong there - the image that is packaged in Fedora and the Round 3 designs in wiki have definitely different katana. It's obvious that the blade is based on the image Samuele provided, and it's also obvious that the hilt is different from the original image (look at it more closely, it has slightly different design and also slightly different lighting), I cannot say though, which image it is based on and if it's OK, but I think I can trust Samuele, when he says: I've taken this image and done these editions, and if the source image is OK, then I would not follow the issue further. Samuele, don't get hindered by those concerns, I believe both Mo and Nicu are just trying to prevent any legal issues that might arose in the future otherwise, and be patient with them - you have my full support! Just link to the very images you work with (and talk about) to support your claims, it might be just some misunderstanding somewhere. Just try to not get angry in your e-mails because it only adds fuel to the fire. Calm yourself before you post anything ;-) And BTW., please, please, please, set-up your mail client to use Re: instead of R: in the subject when replying - sometimes it breaks the threading feature in Evolution and also it's not very pleasing to read subjects like: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: Round 3 theme and fedora-fr community. Thanks, Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Legal issues with InvinXble? (I doubt so)
Hi, Martin Sourada wrote: I haven't read the whole discussion yet, but I feel greatly disappointed with what I read so far. First, I have an impression that Mo and Nicu are somehow biased against Samuele's work. First, some weeks ago, Mo kept asking Samuele about Moon brushes in the Solar theme, when the Moons were already removed from the artwork There is still a moon in the latest artwork. Check the XCF and see. , next there is the problem in katana. As nicu pointed out, the original design indeed resembles the Kill Bill poster, but even though I saw the .ogv file he provided, I am not 100% convinced Samuele used that katana. Open up the XCF and see and be 100% sure. But that's beyond the point - we all know, the original katana had some licensing issues and Samuele just wasn't educated enough in that area to discover them himself. I think we were pretty clear in explaining the issues at the time. What I'd like to point out is that Nicu is greatly wrong there - the image that is packaged in Fedora and the Round 3 designs in wiki have definitely different katana. It's obvious that the blade is based on the image Samuele provided, and it's also obvious that the hilt is different from the original image (look at it more closely, it has slightly different design and also slightly different lighting), It is very obvious if you download the round 3 XCF from here: http://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/0/06/Invinxible_2054x1536.xcf.bz2 And open as layer this Kill Bill wallpaper: http://img1.jurko.net/wall/paper/hattorihanzo_1280.jpg flip the kill bill wallpaper vertically. hide all layers but the 'da sword' layer and the kill bill layer in the xcf. Nudge the images to go on top of each other. You don't even need to resize them. It's undeniable that the hilts of the swords are exactly the same. Samuele, don't get hindered by those concerns, I believe both Mo and Nicu are just trying to prevent any legal issues that might arose in the future otherwise, and be patient with them - you have my full support! Just link to the very images you work with (and talk about) to support your claims, it might be just some misunderstanding somewhere. This image was listed as being the source image: http://www.flickr.com/photos/sstorari/2826852493/ Are you kidding me? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Legal issues with InvinXble? (I doubt so)
Martin Sourada wrote: Hi, I haven't read the whole discussion yet, but I feel greatly disappointed with what I read so far. First, I have an impression that Mo and Nicu are somehow biased against Samuele's work. First, some weeks ago, Mo kept asking Samuele about Moon brushes in the Solar theme, when the Moons were already removed from the artwork, next there is the problem in katana. As nicu pointed out, the original design indeed resembles the Kill Bill poster, but even though I saw the .ogv file he provided, I am not 100% convinced Samuele used that katana. But that's beyond the point - we all know, the original katana had some licensing issues and Samuele just wasn't educated enough in that area to discover them himself. (read to the end) I didn't believe it either but when you look at the layers of the image you can see it. Attached is (on the left) the image of the Da Sword layer of the invinXible theme and on the right section of the image from http://img1.jurko.net/wall/paper/hattorihanzo_1280.jpg (fair use). Along with the stones used to cover up the second and third holes. I think sstorari was rather naive thinking he can get away with something like this and the implications would have been very embarrassing if it wasn't picked up before release (I could see the geek media headlines now). I don't think he realised these implications at the time. *But* I do respect the ability of learning based on mistakes and judging by the fact that he, apparently, is staying up all night to try and correct his errors, he is now probably much wiser about the repercussions of this than than the average person. He has less broken the CLA and should at this stage come fully clean, sign it again and I think people will find it in their hart to forgive him. I think that the reworked designs will probably be just as good (if not better) than the submitted ones. I really do hope he does not get turned off from the community as his work is really excellent and I don't think he should let this bitter his experience. The biggest thing I learned from personally contributing or watching others contribute to open source projects and have their work discussed publicly is that people (especially me) take this stuff more personally that necessary. inline: compare.jpg___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
