Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
Quoting Martin Sourada [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 23:42 -0700, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Martin Sourada a écrit : PS: you might notice that I used wide-screen monitor and wireless keyboard... you know... first, it looks IMHO better and second, fedora is hi-tech, isn't it? :-D How about making the monitor thinner? Luya Yup, works well. I incorporated this and some of the other suggestions into another two variations, I attach PNGs, SVGs are on the usual place [1]. From my POV these two are final for the big version and we only need to choose one of them - with or without the tower? The one with tower looks IMHO a little crowded and the tower looks awful in small sizes (without size optimisation, but I think even optimisation would not do miracles...). The complete desktop set works in large size for the installer in Fedora 10. The computer without the tower fits perfectly. Make sure to widen the keyboard in 16x16 icon to avoid confusion with the single monitor. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
Martin Sourada wrote: Following some of your suggestions I created 4 variations [1]. Firstly, I added some depth to the monitor, so that it looks more massive, secondly I made the monitor upright (I noticed my room-mate has a similarly positioned LCD monitor). And now to the variations: All of them are good, but some of them are, IMO, better: a) trying smaller computer - easier to recognise the shape, but it feels like something is missing... This one is what I probably like the best. The feeling of something missing is probably due to the large distance between tower and monitor, I would try a more compact layout. b) normal-sized computer, slightly changed position - better defined shape than the original, looks better than with the smaller computer The big tower steals my focus. c) use keyboard+monitor - this one is my favourite, also has an advantage of sharing the same metaphor with the same icon from gnome icon theme [2] I like it too. Maybe if the keyboard overleaps a bit the base of the monitor? d) following Mo's suggestions - similar positioning like in bluecurve, only with echo perspective Here I feel like a lot of space is wasted. I attach PNGs, SVGs are at fedorapeople [1]. I've created only 48x48 (time constraints). I will create other sizes when we decide which one to use. Thanks for your comments, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/ [2] http://people.freedesktop.org/~jimmac/icons/ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
Martin Sourada a écrit : PS: you might notice that I used wide-screen monitor and wireless keyboard... you know... first, it looks IMHO better and second, fedora is hi-tech, isn't it? :-D How about making the monitor thinner? Luya ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
Looks nice imo. Screen color could be updated every release to reflect color of default wallpaper (Apple does this) =) 2008/4/23 Martin Sourada [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I've just finished a draft of a reworked computer icon. I attach 48x48 PNG version, the rest is at my fedorapeople page [1]. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- http://scwlab.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
Martin Sourada wrote: I've just finished a draft of a reworked computer icon. I attach 48x48 PNG version, the rest is at my fedorapeople page [1]. Comments welcome, Maybe the computer could be smaller (small form factor?) but my comment is about something else: on that page you have also an internet-web-browser icon, which is just a globe. Isn't that a bit too simplistic? Does a globe by itself represent the web browsing metaphor? References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/ -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 13:30 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: I've just finished a draft of a reworked computer icon. I attach 48x48 PNG version, the rest is at my fedorapeople page [1]. Comments welcome, Maybe the computer could be smaller (small form factor?) Hm... smaller computer? It might work. Perhaps it would make the icon better recognizable in smaller sizes... but my comment is about something else: on that page you have also an internet-web-browser icon, which is just a globe. Isn't that a bit too simplistic? Does a globe by itself represent the web browsing metaphor? Well, usually there's a mouse-arrow or mouse included as well (like there [1]), I am not sure if such metaphor would work nicely for Echo too. But one never knows until he tries ;-) References: [1] http://svn.gnome.org/svn/gnome-icon-theme/trunk/22x22/apps/web-browser.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 13:24 +0300, Pavel Shevchuk wrote: Looks nice imo. Screen color could be updated every release to reflect color of default wallpaper (Apple does this) =) Yup, it could, it's not that much of a work to add simple version of the desktop wallpaper there. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
think that's cool... but I dont think that the monitor perspective is correctly formed. I put this one a little more to the left.. like a smallers 20º or 30º But the hole thing is so cool :D 2008/4/24, Martin Sourada [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 13:24 +0300, Pavel Shevchuk wrote: Looks nice imo. Screen color could be updated every release to reflect color of default wallpaper (Apple does this) =) Yup, it could, it's not that much of a work to add simple version of the desktop wallpaper there. Martin ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 Be yourself... Don't be anyone else ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
Martin Sourada wrote: Hi, I've just finished a draft of a reworked computer icon. I attach 48x48 PNG version, the rest is at my fedorapeople page [1]. Comments welcome, The problems I had always had with that icon are still there: 1) the monitor looks like it needs V8; it looks like it's tipping over backwards 2) I have never seen, in real life, a monitor placed that way up against a computer tower ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 17:57 +0200, Mark wrote: 2008/4/23 María Leandro [EMAIL PROTECTED]: think that's cool... but I dont think that the monitor perspective is correctly formed. I was thinking the exact same! The monitor is definitely out of perspective.. but nice to see a wide-screen in the computer icon ^_^ It's definitely NOT out of perspective but it's definitely strange. Mathematically speaking, the points and the shape follows the isometric perspective correctly, however to the eye of a beholder, who is used to real word perspective, it looks odd. Also this suggestion: 2008/4/23 Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Maybe the computer could be smaller (small form factor?) That would definitely be a unique icon and i think will look better as well. but my comment is about something else: on that page you have also an internet-web-browser icon, which is just a globe. Isn't that a bit too simplistic? Does a globe by itself represent the web browsing metaphor? Usually it's a globe icon or a globe with lines going over it. You mistake category-internet for internet-web-browser there. It's two different things. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 12:01 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: Hi, I've just finished a draft of a reworked computer icon. I attach 48x48 PNG version, the rest is at my fedorapeople page [1]. Comments welcome, The problems I had always had with that icon are still there: 1) the monitor looks like it needs V8; it looks like it's tipping over backwards It's hard to get rid of this feeling in the isometric perspective. No matter how you try it always ends up looking like strange (I believe it's because human brain is not used to isometric perspective and interprets it wrongly in these cases), unless you place the monitor upwards (which I tried to avoid). 2) I have never seen, in real life, a monitor placed that way up against a computer tower Yeah, I've seen such set-ups but they are really rare, alas the place is finite and if we go with monitor PLUS computer tower there doesn't to be any better way of placing those. ~m Anyway, I'll try to poke with the design a little more tonight and see what I can do about these two issues. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
Martin Sourada wrote: 2) I have never seen, in real life, a monitor placed that way up against a computer tower Yeah, I've seen such set-ups but they are really rare, alas the place is finite and if we go with monitor PLUS computer tower there doesn't to be any better way of placing those. Sure there is, look at how it's done in bluecurve... ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 13:26 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: 2) I have never seen, in real life, a monitor placed that way up against a computer tower Yeah, I've seen such set-ups but they are really rare, alas the place is finite and if we go with monitor PLUS computer tower there doesn't to be any better way of placing those. Sure there is, look at how it's done in bluecurve... I see, they use really small computer... Yeah, that might work, but at smaller sizes the computer looks more like a smudge than PC... Perhaps I'll try gnome approach (monitor + keyboard). Stay tuned. ~m Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
Martin Sourada wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 13:26 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: 2) I have never seen, in real life, a monitor placed that way up against a computer tower Yeah, I've seen such set-ups but they are really rare, alas the place is finite and if we go with monitor PLUS computer tower there doesn't to be any better way of placing those. Sure there is, look at how it's done in bluecurve... I see, they use really small computer... Yeah, that might work, but at smaller sizes the computer looks more like a smudge than PC... Perhaps I'll try gnome approach (monitor + keyboard). At smaller sizes you could remove the monitor and just use the computer ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
2008/4/24, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Martin Sourada wrote: On Wed, 2008-04-23 at 13:26 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: 2) I have never seen, in real life, a monitor placed that way up against a computer tower LOL... I DO have my monitor places against the tower :$ and I think that you should keep the monitor... only fix the perspective.. the tower AND the monitor are part of the computer :D Yeah, I've seen such set-ups but they are really rare, alas the place is finite and if we go with monitor PLUS computer tower there doesn't to be any better way of placing those. Sure there is, look at how it's done in bluecurve... I see, they use really small computer... Yeah, that might work, but at smaller sizes the computer looks more like a smudge than PC... Perhaps I'll try gnome approach (monitor + keyboard). At smaller sizes you could remove the monitor and just use the computer ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 Be yourself... Don't be anyone else ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
Following some of your suggestions I created 4 variations [1]. Firstly, I added some depth to the monitor, so that it looks more massive, secondly I made the monitor upright (I noticed my room-mate has a similarly positioned LCD monitor). And now to the variations: a) trying smaller computer - easier to recognise the shape, but it feels like something is missing... b) normal-sized computer, slightly changed position - better defined shape than the original, looks better than with the smaller computer c) use keyboard+monitor - this one is my favourite, also has an advantage of sharing the same metaphor with the same icon from gnome icon theme [2] d) following Mo's suggestions - similar positioning like in bluecurve, only with echo perspective I attach PNGs, SVGs are at fedorapeople [1]. I've created only 48x48 (time constraints). I will create other sizes when we decide which one to use. Thanks for your comments, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/ [2] http://people.freedesktop.org/~jimmac/icons/ PS: you might notice that I used wide-screen monitor and wireless keyboard... you know... first, it looks IMHO better and second, fedora is hi-tech, isn't it? :-D signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 14:02 +, =?ISO-8859-1?Q? Mar=EDa_Leandro _ wrote: LOL... I DO have my monitor places against the tower :$ and I think that you should keep the monitor... only fix the perspective.. the tower AND the monitor are part of the computer :D Not necessarily, I believe some MACs have the HW integrated in the monitor, so no tower is needed :-D Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
On 4/23/08, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: Hi, I've just finished a draft of a reworked computer icon. I attach 48x48 PNG version, the rest is at my fedorapeople page [1]. Comments welcome, The problems I had always had with that icon are still there: 1) the monitor looks like it needs V8; it looks like it's tipping over backwards 2) I have never seen, in real life, a monitor placed that way up against a computer tower Mo, you're welcome to visit my flat anytime to see such (practical) desk layout in real life =) Photo: http://stalwart.fedorapeople.org/tmp/stalwart_desk_delta.jpg P.S. I like this icon even more now =) ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- http://scwlab.com ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
Pavel Shevchuk wrote: On 4/23/08, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: Hi, I've just finished a draft of a reworked computer icon. I attach 48x48 PNG version, the rest is at my fedorapeople page [1]. Comments welcome, The problems I had always had with that icon are still there: 1) the monitor looks like it needs V8; it looks like it's tipping over backwards 2) I have never seen, in real life, a monitor placed that way up against a computer tower Mo, you're welcome to visit my flat anytime to see such (practical) desk layout in real life =) Photo: http://stalwart.fedorapeople.org/tmp/stalwart_desk_delta.jpg P.S. I like this icon even more now =) Well that's great. I've never before seen that in practice. Why? Because, most people like having desk space so they keep the tower under their desk, and it's also far easier to access to the CD drive and USB ports when the system's front is facing you. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
It looks really nice, I like it :) - Grady 2008/4/23 Martin Sourada [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I've just finished a draft of a reworked computer icon. I attach 48x48 PNG version, the rest is at my fedorapeople page [1]. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo/ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
2) I have never seen, in real life, a monitor placed that way up against a computer tower ~m Interesting, my main computer is arranged like that (more for space reasons than anything) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo] new computer icon draft
The layout is nice. I think about some IMac or custom PC that integrate USB and optic media in the back of monitor. The widescreen monitor may be suitable for other icons that use it. I wonder if a metallic silver tower works. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
