Re: DNA theme for new FC6 browser splash page
Le Mar 19 septembre 2006 08:37, Nicu Buculei a écrit : Jiri Jakub Masek wrote: Hi, .and what about to place logo in a white filled polygon as a graphics element? I named it a stamp, maybe a label. This could bring to graphics designs more of variability and the logo independent styles. Honestly, I don't like the the stamp idea, having a whole white rectangle would make the image unbalanced and distract attention to it, it may limit your creative freedom, sometimes you want a discrete logo. What I've seen done before in those cases is to define a large white fringe around the org logo with some sort of fading to transparency on the exterior border. The overal white fringe shape must be simple and derived from the core logo to make clear it's not part of it. Plain rectangular is generally a bad idea as it looks like someone cut pasted a logo without bothering to change the background colour. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: DNA theme for new FC6 browser splash page
Dimitris Glezos wrote: O/H Máirín Duffy έγραψε: So I'm not really sure how much leeway we have with the logo guidelines at all. Since it's still intellectually the property of Red Hat and by using it we are bound to the guidelines we agreed to when we received the files, we really can't change the guidelines. I think the logo is just fine. Guidelines should be for keeping things under control, not stifling innovation. Right, but guidelines are also for making sure that the logo, including the logotype and logomark, are defensible as trademarked. See, the logo was trademarked as described in the guidelines, so if we start using it outside those guidelines we risk losing the trademark which right now Red Hat would like to protect. This is why we require that every person who would like to use the logo artwork requests it from [EMAIL PROTECTED], stating what they'd like to use it for, and agreeing to those guidelines. When you make modifications such as the white outline, you are changing the logo (1) against the guidelines, (2) significantly enough that someone could decide to use that version of the logo and threaten the trademark on the logo such that it is indefensible. That's why the logo guidelines exist. I understand this sounds stupid (and I think most if not all of the intersections of law and art are stupid) but that is the way things are so we have to deal with it in order to protect our logo. So, I strongly recommend removing the white outline on the Fedora logomark. Besides, things aren't just black and white, it's not like either you follow or break the rules. The only thing that diverges from the guidelines is the white outline of the circle. Right, so would you be willing to consider removing it? The white outline is the only thing I am concerned about. I would be really disappointed of someone jumped out and argued that those rules are 100% rigid, even for inside-Fedora projects. That it is an inside-Fedora project exacerbates the problem, since it seems the logo variation has been officially sanctioned (which it has not) and others may use it. Instead of this, I would prefer something like So, fedora-artwork concluded that the current guidelines don't contrast well with dark backgrounds. Since this logo is a fedora-artwork approved solution, we'll incorporate this into the guidelines. I would not say that the white outline is a fedora-artwork approved solution at this point. I think this is still under discussion. I can try to contact people within Red Hat to see if the white outline variation is OK or not, but I think it would be far easier to just remove it. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: DNA theme for new FC6 browser splash page
Nicu Buculei wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: Dimitris Glezos wrote: The artwork team did not respond to my request for a better theme than the current one, so I prepared some themes myself. I apologize that the art team did not step up; we are a pretty new team at this point and a lot of stuff is unsettled so hopefully next time we'll be a bit more organized. There is also the possibility we found the initial proposal pretty good. This is why at the time I replied and suggested only some tweaks. Máirín Duffy wrote: Gah, I forgot to mention - you might want to cut the white outline that is around the Fedora logomark - it's not allowed for in the Fedora brand guidelines. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines Hi Dimitris, I also found the initial proposal along with Nicu's suggestions to be pretty good. It was clean and simple. I hesitate to theme the site based on the release graphics because I wasn't sure if you would want to change it with each release. However, if it is not a problem then...I prefer v3a and v3d (though in v3d, the logo should probably go on the left and the rest of the helix image moved to the right as in your first 3 examples). I don't have a problem with the white border around the fedora symbol and can't find where it is mentioned as not allowed for in the Fedora brand guidelines. Though, as Nicu pointed me to, the Reverse Logotype Color to White section...but to me that just reads that the font should be changed and the lack of contrast in the logomark was not addressed. I believe that as long as the white border is within a certain aesthetic size to help separate the logomark from the background and not distract/detract from it, it should be acceptable. My approach to the problem within the FC6 anaconda_header was to apply a little black gradient (which also blended in with the blue back color) behind the symbol are to give it a bit more contrast. If you decide to go with the FC6 header, perhaps you could try that. Another suggestion for your mockups with the logo is to put the TM towards the bottom of the a rather than the top. It will makes the logo seem less cluttered in that corner...where the a and the symbol meet. Diana ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: DNA theme for new FC6 browser splash page
Diana Fong wrote: I don't have a problem with the white border around the fedora symbol and can't find where it is mentioned as not allowed for in the Fedora brand guidelines. I believe it is covered in the clear space section. The white is an additional element that does not follow the clear space guidelines. I have seen many logo guidelines and brandbooks, and in my experience outlines around a logomark are not usually kosher without explicitly being mentioned as OK to use. Though, as Nicu pointed me to, the Reverse Logotype Color to White section...but to me that just reads that the font should be changed and the lack of contrast in the logomark was not addressed. Then it's a flaw in the guidelines and that should be fixed first. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: DNA theme for new FC6 browser splash page
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le Mar 19 septembre 2006 16:45, Máirín Duffy a écrit : I can try to contact people within Red Hat to see if the white outline variation is OK or not, but I think it would be far easier to just remove it. When my corp did its last logo change (like every 15 years or so) they provided and official white outline variation for this problem. The reasonning being that white outline was the least intrusive change, and letting people tweak colours or create outline variations on their own was way worse. Right, I think this is a great idea - if we can get an officially sanctioned or whatever outline version of the logomark in the logo guidelines then there will be one version rather than leaving it up to people create them which will inevitably result in different variations. (There are a lot of ways you can do a white outline. Thickness, clear to blurred outline, with a drop shadow incolved, etc.) and we want the logo to be consistent. They also have official monochrome (main dark colour with density changes), grey level, black on white, white on transparency variants. I think we need this too. If folks would like to mock some up, I can send them along in a proposal and we can see if we can get them integrated into the guidelines as well. When putting the logo over a photograph or other problem background - normal with white outline is used in a signature context (placement on the photograph is fixed) - otherwise white over transparency is preffered No idea how much of this could apply to Fedora Good ideas! :) Thanks Nicolas. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: DNA theme for new FC6 browser splash page
Máirín Duffy wrote: Hi Dimitris, Dimitris Glezos wrote: Quoting from fedora-docs-list: ## Theme The artwork team did not respond to my request for a better theme than the current one, so I prepared some themes myself. Gah, I forgot to mention - you might want to cut the white outline that is around the Fedora logomark - it's not allowed for in the Fedora brand guidelines. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: DNA theme for new FC6 browser splash page
On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 17:36 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: Gah, I forgot to mention - you might want to cut the white outline that is around the Fedora logomark - it's not allowed for in the Fedora brand guidelines. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines Indeed, the guidelines say so, but the contrast for the bubble is not that good: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=logodarkbg.png And if the background is dark blue instead of dark gray, is even worse. Can we think about improving the guidelines for such cases? Just an idea: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/logo/wordmark_inverted.svg Good idea, but the color change changes the whole 'eye feel' of the logo. I think it would be preferable to simply allow a white border within a certain size limit when the logomark is placed on a dark background, so it can match the white logotext a little better while keeping its distinct look. -- Paul W. Frields, RHCE http://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 0233 5906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board Fedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: DNA theme for new FC6 browser splash page
Hi, .and what about to place logo in a white filled polygon as a graphics element? I named it a stamp, maybe a label. This could bring to graphics designs more of variability and the logo independent styles. JJMOn 9/18/06, Paul W. Frields [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2006-09-18 at 17:36 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: Gah, I forgot to mention - you might want to cut the white outline that is around the Fedora logomark - it's not allowed for in the Fedora brand guidelines. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines Indeed, the guidelines say so, but the contrast for the bubble is not that good: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Logo/UsageGuidelines?action="" And if the background is dark blue instead of dark gray, is even worse. Can we think about improving the guidelines for such cases? Just an idea: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/artwork/logo/wordmark_inverted.svgGood idea, but the color change changes the whole 'eye feel' of thelogo.I think it would be preferable to simply allow a white borderwithin a certain size limit when the logomark is placed on a dark background, so it can match the white logotext a little better whilekeeping its distinct look.--Paul W. Frields, RHCEhttp://paul.frields.org/ gpg fingerprint: 3DA6 A0AC 6D58 FEC4 02335906 ACDB C937 BD11 3717 Fedora Project Board: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BoardFedora Docs Project: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject___Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.comhttp://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list-- I'm still learning English...Jiří Jakub Mašek - Jiri Jakub MasekCzech Republic, European Union ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: DNA theme for new FC6 browser splash page
Quoting from fedora-docs-list: ## Theme The artwork team did not respond to my request for a better theme than the current one, so I prepared some themes myself. I tried my best, given the time I had. I packed their screenshots in a tgz here: http://dimitris.glezos.com/box/foss/fc6-browser-splash-shots.tar.gz I prefer v3b (current live version) and v3d. The DNA theme might be nice, but I prefer the first one because it is more pleasant. I'll send an email to the artwork list for opinions. -dim O/H Dimitris Glezos έγραψε: Hi all. The Docs project is developing a new splash (default home-) page for the FC6 browser, replacing the current one (basically, the release notes) with something interesting and more useful. The current mock-up is the following: http://dimitris.glezos.com/box/foss/fc6-browser-splash/ The wiki page with links to relevant content, and a zipped file of the above mock-up, is: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/FirefoxDefaultSplash It would be nice to have a DNA-ish theme on this page. Especially the header could be replaced. If someone from the artwork team could draw something nice, please send it over! :) Some notes: * The page should be as simple as possible. It would be preferable to have light graphics (as in weight and brightness) as possible. * The current mock-up uses the Echo icons. Since Echo will not make it into FC6, we could use bluecurve ones for consistency. If someone can point me to the right images in bluecurve, I'll be glad to change them. * The graphics should be able to be somewhat consistent in various monitor resolutions. * Changing just the header of the mock-up will be great too. Comments, ideas, rants welcomed. :) -dim -- Dimitris Glezos Jabber ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP: 0xA5A04C3B http://dimitris.glezos.com/ He who gives up functionality for ease of use loses both and deserves neither. (Anonymous) -- ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
