Re: Fedora F's buttons
Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: Regarding color management, I'd recommend you use the very latest snapshot of Scribus available from the OpenSuSE repo (there is a Fedora yum repo for it) because the one included in Fedora is quite outdated, and now largely unsupported (v 1.3.4) I know I am going to a tangent here, but can we get in touch somehow with our Scribus maintainer and get him to do an update? -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora F's buttons
Nicu Buculei escribió: Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: Regarding color management, I'd recommend you use the very latest snapshot of Scribus available from the OpenSuSE repo (there is a Fedora yum repo for it) because the one included in Fedora is quite outdated, and now largely unsupported (v 1.3.4) I know I am going to a tangent here, but can we get in touch somehow with our Scribus maintainer and get him to do an update? Actually I have filed a bug regarding this particular issue... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=461196 There's been an answer, and hopefully we'll see better sync with upstream (also upstream provides a yum repository as well for latest SVN head, at the home_mrdocs repository, from OpenSuSE [http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/mrdocs/]). ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora F's buttons
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clint Savage wrote: So I got bored today while giving an RHCT exam and while waiting at the airport. I made these buttons, let me know what you think... http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo2.png http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo3.png http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo4.png SWEET! I really like the pattern in the background of the logo2 file. Logo3 is really strong, well done! I think logo4 might look better without the dashed line at all and maybe a darker background color. Thanks, I wasn't sure if they would be good enough. The dashed line is basically to indicate the edge of the button, but I can take it off. Do you know how to scribus-ify these into print-ready, color-safe PDF artwork? I do. I have done that before many times. I'll look into doing that on sunday. I assume you are referring to the fact that I need to make the images CMYK and making them pdfs so printers won't complain. I'm capable of doing that :) Thanks for the vote of confidence. Cheers, Clint ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora F's buttons
Clint Savage escribió: I do. I have done that before many times. I'll look into doing that on sunday. I assume you are referring to the fact that I need to make the images CMYK and making them pdfs so printers won't complain. I'm capable of doing that :) Thanks for the vote of confidence. Cheers, Clint You don't have to do that, actually... However Scribus SVG support is rather flaky and most of the time (except for really simple kosher SVG files) you will get an error stating that some features of the file were not supported. Also it tends to get the size wrong, not the actual size of the drawing, but rather it kind of adds an additional holding box to the drawing. My personal recommendation when handling graphics with Scribus would be to export to EPS and then import that into Scribus, or export to bitmap (with the added side effect of reduced quality and raster artifacts [pixelation]). Regarding color management, I'd recommend you use the very latest snapshot of Scribus available from the OpenSuSE repo (there is a Fedora yum repo for it) because the one included in Fedora is quite outdated, and now largely unsupported (v 1.3.4), then you may grab the package with ICC profiles off Adobe's download section and install one of those ICC profiles into scribus so you get a color managed window (it is NOT recommended to install a printer ICC profile into Scribus unless you *REALLY* need it and the target printer supports it). Then you can generate the desired PDF and you may even embed an ICC profile into it to ensure proper display/print, don't forget to select the desired target media when generating the PDF! my 2¢ ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora F's buttons
Clint Savage escribió: So I got bored today while giving an RHCT exam and while waiting at the airport. I made these buttons, let me know what you think... http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo2.png http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo3.png http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo4.png Cheers, Clint Nice indeed, it would seem like #2 is the winner :) However, I like them all. Nice work indeed! ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora F's buttons
Hi Gian, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: Clint Savage escribió: I do. I have done that before many times. I'll look into doing that on sunday. I assume you are referring to the fact that I need to make the images CMYK and making them pdfs so printers won't complain. I'm capable of doing that :) Thanks for the vote of confidence. Cheers, Clint You don't have to do that, actually... Why don't you need to do it? The printers must have sent the cd and sleeve designs for Fedora 7 back and forth with me at least 20 times before they could do anything with them. They couldn't get the colors to come out right at all and eventually gave up (You'll note that the Fedora 7 discs are actually purple, not blue. That's why.) That was a nightmare and ever since I've used Scribus for setting up colors (definitely for Fedora 9 and I think Fedora 8's media artwork) and it just went so much more smoothly. So I do really think you have to do it, unless you know something I don't? :)? However Scribus SVG support is rather flaky and most of the time (except for really simple kosher SVG files) you will get an error stating that some features of the file were not supported. Also it tends to get the size wrong, not the actual size of the drawing, but rather it kind of adds an additional holding box to the drawing. My personal recommendation when handling graphics with Scribus would be to export to EPS and then import that into Scribus, or export to bitmap (with the added side effect of reduced quality and raster artifacts [pixelation]). Regarding color management, I'd recommend you use the very latest snapshot of Scribus available from the OpenSuSE repo (there is a Fedora yum repo for it) because the one included in Fedora is quite outdated, and now largely unsupported (v 1.3.4), then you may grab the package with ICC profiles off Adobe's download section and install one of those ICC profiles into scribus so you get a color managed window (it is NOT recommended to install a printer ICC profile into Scribus unless you *REALLY* need it and the target printer supports it). Then you can generate the desired PDF and you may even embed an ICC profile into it to ensure proper display/print, don't forget to select the desired target media when generating the PDF! Is it effective to use the color profiles if your monitor isn't calibrated? (I honestly don't know but I wouldn't assume so which is why I don't bother with color profiles right now) I assume that doing the artwork first in Inkscape and then importing it into scribus and modifying the palette in Scribus to have the exact CMYK colors needed will ensure the colors come out right in the end since a CMYK value is a CMYK value (maybe not as reproducable as a spot color but more reliable than picking blindly based on what shows up on my monitor.) Past experience printing Fedora swag has shown this to be close enough / true enough that I'm comfortable with this method. However, i don't really know so much about using monitor profiles and color profiles at all and if you do I would love some advice/help! Thanks, ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora F's buttons
Máirín Duffy escribió: Hi Gian, Gian Paolo Mureddu wrote: Clint Savage escribió: I do. I have done that before many times. I'll look into doing that on sunday. I assume you are referring to the fact that I need to make the images CMYK and making them pdfs so printers won't complain. I'm capable of doing that :) Thanks for the vote of confidence. Cheers, Clint You don't have to do that, actually... Why don't you need to do it? The printers must have sent the cd and sleeve designs for Fedora 7 back and forth with me at least 20 times before they could do anything with them. They couldn't get the colors to come out right at all and eventually gave up (You'll note that the Fedora 7 discs are actually purple, not blue. That's why.) That was a nightmare and ever since I've used Scribus for setting up colors (definitely for Fedora 9 and I think Fedora 8's media artwork) and it just went so much more smoothly. So I do really think you have to do it, unless you know something I don't? :)? I wouldn't *DARE* to say I know something you don't, Mo ;) However in my experience (and that may very well too subjective) Scribus can pretty much represent all colors on screen through CMYK (kind of converting them on-the-fly, or so it would seem). I have also struggled for the longest time to get colors right on print-outs with Linux (any distro, pretty much any program). However since F8 (IIRC, or was it F7?) the inclusion of lcms has actually helped a lot for color management (still a bit rudimentary as it would seem you have to do it in a per-application basis instead of being applied to the X session, like Windows or Mac seem to do it [and they still have per-application settings]) However Scribus SVG support is rather flaky and most of the time (except for really simple kosher SVG files) you will get an error stating that some features of the file were not supported. Also it tends to get the size wrong, not the actual size of the drawing, but rather it kind of adds an additional holding box to the drawing. My personal recommendation when handling graphics with Scribus would be to export to EPS and then import that into Scribus, or export to bitmap (with the added side effect of reduced quality and raster artifacts [pixelation]). Regarding color management, I'd recommend you use the very latest snapshot of Scribus available from the OpenSuSE repo (there is a Fedora yum repo for it) because the one included in Fedora is quite outdated, and now largely unsupported (v 1.3.4), then you may grab the package with ICC profiles off Adobe's download section and install one of those ICC profiles into scribus so you get a color managed window (it is NOT recommended to install a printer ICC profile into Scribus unless you *REALLY* need it and the target printer supports it). Then you can generate the desired PDF and you may even embed an ICC profile into it to ensure proper display/print, don't forget to select the desired target media when generating the PDF! Is it effective to use the color profiles if your monitor isn't calibrated? (I honestly don't know but I wouldn't assume so which is why I don't bother with color profiles right now) I assume that doing the artwork first in Inkscape and then importing it into scribus and modifying the palette in Scribus to have the exact CMYK colors needed will ensure the colors come out right in the end since a CMYK value is a CMYK value (maybe not as reproducable as a spot color but more reliable than picking blindly based on what shows up on my monitor.) Past experience printing Fedora swag has shown this to be close enough / true enough that I'm comfortable with this method. The main problem with CMYK (again, at least in my experience) is that support for this color space in Inkscape is MORE than flaky, it would seem that color values wouldn't stick, that may be due to the fact that Inkscape follows as close as possible the SVG specification which IIRC only support SRGB, and Inkscape actually converts those SRGB color values to CMYK color space on-the-fly (or so I remember reading, albeit some time ago, on the Inkscape mailing list, most likely things have changed in 0.46, maybe I'll ask in the list again). I'm not sure if the color values are perfectly preserved when you import the vector graphics from Inkscape to Scribus (SVG, EPS or PS format), but I can tell you that *perceptually* speaking it would seem that colors you *see* on the screen (when you color manage Scribus, of course) indeed is the color you *get* (or very close) on the print out. This, though good, is a bit problematic, as you can't actually change the colors of the objects you import into Scribus and can only see the resulting colors as they may be printed, and any modifications imply that you have to go back to Inkscape, modify the color, and test again in Scribus (at least that's how I've done it, not the best way, though).
Re: Fedora F's buttons
Clint Savage wrote: So I got bored today while giving an RHCT exam and while waiting at the airport. I made these buttons, let me know what you think... http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo2.png http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo3.png http://herlo.fedorapeople.org/art/fedora_four_fs_logo4.png SWEET! I really like the pattern in the background of the logo2 file. Logo3 is really strong, well done! I think logo4 might look better without the dashed line at all and maybe a darker background color. Do you know how to scribus-ify these into print-ready, color-safe PDF artwork? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora F's buttons
On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 04:34:32PM -0600, Clint Savage wrote: So I got bored today while giving an RHCT exam and while waiting at the airport. I made these buttons, let me know what you think... Very nice! I like #2 the best. -- Ian Weller [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://ianweller.org GnuPG fingerprint: E51E 0517 7A92 70A2 4226 B050 87ED 7C97 EFA8 4A36 Technology is a word that describes something that doesn't work yet. ~ Douglas Adams pgp5XSkZPVIGm.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
