[Fwd: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot)]
including the art team in the discussion ---BeginMessage--- Il giorno Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:48:11 -0500 Ray Strode [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hi, On Sat, 2006-11-11 at 17:17 +0100, Andrea Cimitan wrote: I think fedora could _at least_ add murrine to a repository, and then I can provide a fantastic color scheme for the fedora desktop. It sounds interesting. Can you put together a theme that uses your engine that has fedora-ish colors? David, what do think? You might want to bring this up on the fedora-art list, too, so you can get some input from the fedora artists. --Ray Click to see my first screenshot of murrine with a simple fedora colorscheme... http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7726/previewml7.jpg Impressions??? -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org -- Fedora-desktop-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list ---End Message--- ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Fwd: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot)]
From: Andrea Cimitan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Click to see my first screenshot of murrine with a simple fedora colorscheme... http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7726/previewml7.jpg Impressions??? 1) Overall I like the colors and shading. Quite nice! 2) There isn't really enough contrast in the menubars between the text and background. The text is hard to read. 3) I suspect the applications | places | menu item on the gnome panel would look funky with that menubar style? I noticed this is not included in the screenshot... Otherwise nice work! What metacity theme are you using? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Fwd: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot)]
hmm I like murrine for the coloring of the toolbar/menu bar but everything else seems to soft or please excuse me, but idk feminine, coming from a guy's perspective. Not that it doesn't look nice, but I find it looks messy when task entries are excessively rounded and the button gradient/color doesn't really appeal to me. I guess I just widely prefer a more glass look and definitely Apple's look. Is there a chance the buttons/selection can be given more of a glass look without looking over-done? I also like the way Windows XP does its buttons or the KDE polyester theme[1] (even though I have my problems with that). Its good though that grey is making its way out, it has been WAY overused and makes Linux look old and outdated. Keep up the good work though! 1. http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27968 On 11/15/06, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: including the art team in the discussion -- Forwarded message -- From: Andrea Cimitan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:30:27 +0100 Subject: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot) Il giorno Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:48:11 -0500 Ray Strode [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hi, On Sat, 2006-11-11 at 17:17 +0100, Andrea Cimitan wrote: I think fedora could _at least_ add murrine to a repository, and then I can provide a fantastic color scheme for the fedora desktop. It sounds interesting. Can you put together a theme that uses your engine that has fedora-ish colors? David, what do think? You might want to bring this up on the fedora-art list, too, so you can get some input from the fedora artists. --Ray Click to see my first screenshot of murrine with a simple fedora colorscheme... http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7726/previewml7.jpg Impressions??? -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org -- Fedora-desktop-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Steve ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Fwd: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot)]
On 11/15/06, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3) I suspect the applications | places | menu item on the gnome panel would look funky with that menubar style? I noticed this is not included in the screenshot... Exactly, thank you for reminding me. I like the menu bar coloring, but unfortunately it makes the applications menu bar that color. is there a way to not have it inherit the property or perhaps a patch can be made? I really like the colored menubar but also prefer my applications menu to stay with the look of the rest of the panel. Otherwise nice work! What metacity theme are you using? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Steve ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Fwd: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot)]
Il giorno Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:44:15 -0500 Steve Barnhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: hmm I like murrine for the coloring of the toolbar/menu bar but everything else seems to soft or please excuse me, but idk feminine, coming from a guy's perspective. Not that it doesn't look nice, but I find it looks messy when task entries are excessively rounded and the button gradient/color doesn't really appeal to me. I guess I just widely prefer a more glass look and definitely Apple's look. It's just a color scheme... contrast, roundness and glaze can be modified simply editing gtkrc of the theme. Is there a chance the buttons/selection can be given more of a glass look without looking over-done? I also like the way Windows XP does its buttons or the KDE polyester theme[1] (even though I have my problems with that). Its good though that grey is making its way out, it has been WAY overused and makes Linux look old and outdated. Keep up the good work though! 1. http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27968 This theme is absolutely *ugly*... Sorry i don't like it. On 11/15/06, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: including the art team in the discussion -- Forwarded message -- From: Andrea Cimitan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:30:27 +0100 Subject: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot) Il giorno Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:48:11 -0500 Ray Strode [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hi, On Sat, 2006-11-11 at 17:17 +0100, Andrea Cimitan wrote: I think fedora could _at least_ add murrine to a repository, and then I can provide a fantastic color scheme for the fedora desktop. It sounds interesting. Can you put together a theme that uses your engine that has fedora-ish colors? David, what do think? You might want to bring this up on the fedora-art list, too, so you can get some input from the fedora artists. --Ray Click to see my first screenshot of murrine with a simple fedora colorscheme... http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7726/previewml7.jpg Impressions??? -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org -- Fedora-desktop-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Fwd: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot)]
Il giorno Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:40:24 -0500 Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: From: Andrea Cimitan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Click to see my first screenshot of murrine with a simple fedora colorscheme... http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7726/previewml7.jpg Impressions??? 1) Overall I like the colors and shading. Quite nice! thx 2) There isn't really enough contrast in the menubars between the text and background. The text is hard to read. i've made that color mod in 3 minutes... so don't expect do be perfect... it can be improved and even completely changed... it was done only to see how it can looks with ble theme 3) I suspect the applications | places | menu item on the gnome panel would look funky with that menubar style? I noticed this is not included in the screenshot... Yes it's true... I'm seeing if there's a way to get rid of it Otherwise nice work! What metacity theme are you using? ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Fwd: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot)]
Il giorno Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:46:12 -0500 Steve Barnhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: On 11/15/06, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3) I suspect the applications | places | menu item on the gnome panel would look funky with that menubar style? I noticed this is not included in the screenshot... Exactly, thank you for reminding me. I like the menu bar coloring, but unfortunately it makes the applications menu bar that color. is there a way to not have it inherit the property or perhaps a patch can be made? I really like the colored menubar but also prefer my applications menu to stay with the look of the rest of the panel. http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/9781/immagineaz1.jpg Simple fix in the gtkrc! :) Otherwise nice work! What metacity theme are you using? ~m It's compiz ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Fwd: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot)]
Il giorno Wed, 15 Nov 2006 14:44:15 -0500 Steve Barnhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: hmm I like murrine for the coloring of the toolbar/menu bar but everything else seems to soft or please excuse me, but idk feminine, coming from a guy's perspective. Not that it doesn't look nice, but I find it looks messy when task entries are excessively rounded and the button gradient/color doesn't really appeal to me. I guess I just widely prefer a more glass look and definitely Apple's look. See changes in roundness and on the glaze effect on another screenshot i've emailed few minutes ago Is there a chance the buttons/selection can be given more of a glass look without looking over-done? I also like the way Windows XP does its buttons or the KDE polyester theme[1] (even though I have my problems with that). Its good though that grey is making its way out, it has been WAY overused and makes Linux look old and outdated. Keep up the good work though! 1. http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=27968 On 11/15/06, Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: including the art team in the discussion -- Forwarded message -- From: Andrea Cimitan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 20:30:27 +0100 Subject: Re: New Fedora GTK Theme (Screenshot) Il giorno Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:48:11 -0500 Ray Strode [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hi, On Sat, 2006-11-11 at 17:17 +0100, Andrea Cimitan wrote: I think fedora could _at least_ add murrine to a repository, and then I can provide a fantastic color scheme for the fedora desktop. It sounds interesting. Can you put together a theme that uses your engine that has fedora-ish colors? David, what do think? You might want to bring this up on the fedora-art list, too, so you can get some input from the fedora artists. --Ray Click to see my first screenshot of murrine with a simple fedora colorscheme... http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/7726/previewml7.jpg Impressions??? -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org -- Fedora-desktop-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-desktop-list ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- Cimi - Andrea Cimitan http://cimi.netsons.org ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: New Fedora GTK Theme
Máirín Duffy wrote: I'm Andrea Cimitan (aka Cimi), a gnome themer from Italy. :) Probably you had known my name in gnomelook.org, there I'm Cimi86, and I've created a lot of themes like Murrine GTK2 Cairo Engine (http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=42755, http://cimi.netsons.org/pages/murrine.php) and Candido Themes. Cimi, thank you for starting this discussion. Yep. Always nice to have upstream developers collaborate with us. Thanks. I don't think that this is a matter of the 'art team making a decision though. This is a matter of there being absolutely no process. There isn't any defined process to get artwork themes into the distribution right now. This is a very old problem so let's just trailblaze through it. Its not quite a problem really. Ping the http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Core/SteeringCommittee when the artwork team agrees on something. This will probably go through the desktop team for their input too primarily at the code level. It helps to actually have this packaged already in Fedora Extras before proposing it for Fedora Core. It seems quite reasonable to at least include this theme engine in the distro via Extras if not in Core, as long as someone is willing to maintain the package. Would either you or Leo be willing to maintain it? If so, you may want to ask someone like Jesse Keating or Rahul about the process of getting it into the distribution. A fedora-list discussion suggest that there are people interested in doing this. Since we have a general policy on staying close to upstream, it would be nice if upstream people are involved in the packaging efforts too. It helps in user - developer interactions. If you are not interested in packaging this, you can set bugzilla preferences to be automatically CC'ed on all bugs for that particular component. This is what upstream Gaim developers do for example. Where the art team comes in I believe is picking out a default theme for Murrine. Can you suggest some nice ones, Leo or Cimi? We haven't decided on a theme/style for FC7 yet but once we do I think that'd be the appropriate time to specify the colors for the theme. Does anyone oppose moving to the Murrine engine? Well, one question. How can we intelligently comment on a engine without looking at the code? If the themes are completely customizable which apparently is the case here, how do we understand the value of a particular engine over another by merely looking at screenshots? Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: New Fedora GTK Theme
Nicolas Mailhot wrote: Le samedi 11 novembre 2006 à 18:02 -0500, Máirín Duffy a écrit : Hi Andrea, you've posted on the right list, but most themers seem to insist on using fedora-art-list instead, so I'm pushing it there No, fedora-art-list *is* the appropriate list. fedora-desktop-list is more aimed towards development discussions (although in practice its less focused.) I still think it's not ;) as theming involves usability and other concerns, not just pretty colours (that's why I don't like evaluating on screenshots only BTW) The Fedora artwork team in concerned about usability too. So calling the work merely pretty colors is waving off the interaction designers who are involved here. Rahul ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: New Fedora GTK Theme
Le dimanche 12 novembre 2006 à 16:38 +0530, Rahul Sundaram a écrit : The Fedora artwork team in concerned about usability too. So calling the work merely pretty colors is waving off the interaction designers who are involved here. I'm not waving of the artwork team work, I wouldn't be on this list if I didn't think they were great people, but I do think they tend to work a bit in isolation. It's not as if the desktop list is crowded enough something as central as a new default theme could not be discussed there. -- Nicolas Mailhot ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: New Fedora GTK Theme
On Sat, 11/11/06, Máirín Duffy wrote: Leo wrote: With your support, I think Murrine Engine will be an excellent substitute for the clearlooks engine. I'm all for this change. BTW I downloaded the Fedora RPM off of Cimi's site... it just installs the engine, not a default gtkrc... It would probably be a good idea to include a default one so less technical folks trying to check it out don't get confused. ~m The engine will make sure themes based on it will render well. Try searching 'murrin' in gnome-look you will get tons of them. -- Leo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: New Fedora GTK Theme
Il giorno Sat, 11 Nov 2006 19:09:53 -0500 Máirín Duffy [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Leo wrote: The engine will make sure themes based on it will render well. Try searching 'murrin' in gnome-look you will get tons of them. I realize that. My point is that most theme engines include an actual theme with them. Murrine at least is the first I have encountered that does not. It makes installing it and trying to use it pretty confusing. ~m ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list There are 2 problems: 1) I don't want/no ideas for a default murrine look. 2) The biggest feature of murrine is the configurator, with it you can easily customize your themes, add roundness, select styles etc etc... With local themes (under ~/.themes) no root permissions are required, but if I install themes under /usr/share/themes than the configurator needs root permissions to run and this will cause problems for the user (and it will cause two entry in the gnome menu which is bad) Bye Cimi - Andrea Cimitan ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
