Re: start the process for F9 theming?
Hi folks, Sorry I've been MIA for a while; I've been in India giving some talks at FOSS.in [1]. I'm glad to see the F9 theming process has started; I will be chatting with John Poelstra sometime this week to start setting the different deadlines for the various theming milestones. Are we happy having 3 'rounds' or would we want to try having 4 this go-around? ~m [1] http://foss.in http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.artwork/3370 ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: start the process for F9 theming?
Máirín Duffy wrote: Sorry I've been MIA for a while; I've been in India giving some talks at FOSS.in You were a kind of hero with 3 presentations I'm glad to see the F9 theming process has started; I will be chatting with John Poelstra sometime this week to start setting the different deadlines for the various theming milestones. Are we happy having 3 'rounds' or would we want to try having 4 this go-around? I suspect we are running out of time for a 4 rounds process, the winter vacancy is very close. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: start the process for F9 theming?
Nice pig : . Dnia 30-11-2007, pią o godzinie 16:14 -0300, Sven von Brand pisze: Sven von Brand wrote: Michael Beckwith wrote: [...] I actually was thinking of an alive theme trying to represent freedom, because to give freedom a face it's not general, so I was thinking to go for a theme refering to freedom, but not directly. breath or just breath keep going live [...] Here I made a first test of a 3D image background made in blender and with transition from day to night. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/F93Day It's just a test, but it's the idea (changing the pig for somenthing more apealing and making the color more Fedora alike). It's my first try on doing something like a backgorund for Fedora, so be nice with the critics, but keep them coming. unfortunally the .blend file had an error... I'm going to do a new one soon. Greetings -- ___ _ | _|___ _| |___ ___ ___ | _| -_| . | . | _| . | |_| |___|___|___|_| |___|_ Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek Fedora Project http://liviopl.jogger.pl/ signature.asc Description: To jest część wiadomości podpisana cyfrowo ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: start the process for F9 theming?
Sven von Brand wrote: Michael Beckwith wrote: [...] I actually was thinking of an alive theme trying to represent freedom, because to give freedom a face it's not general, so I was thinking to go for a theme refering to freedom, but not directly. breath or just breath keep going live [...] Here I made a first test of a 3D image background made in blender and with transition from day to night. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes/F93Day It's just a test, but it's the idea (changing the pig for somenthing more apealing and making the color more Fedora alike). It's my first try on doing something like a backgorund for Fedora, so be nice with the critics, but keep them coming. unfortunally the .blend file had an error... I'm going to do a new one soon. Greetings -- Sven von Brand Laredo Estudiante de Ing. Civil Informatica, UTFSM Fedora Ambassador for Chile Coordinador Ciclo Charlas Tecnicas, DI, UTFSM ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: start the process for F9 theming?
I think that I understand a different thing: I'm working into a Fedora wallpaper that should work for F9, and some of my ideas are to making it alive :D (If the people was happy with the infinity giving us the time... we could make the same transition of images on the desktop but using something different as a pattern). The window style... Can we ad some textures to menu bar? (Gnome and KDE) like a 3D sensation? I now that we could make something on inkscape looking like a pipe and instead see the things up the bar this COULD BE SEEN as inside... (but I'm not shure that if this is possible just saying what I have in mind to develop for F9 AS PERSONAL WORK) Menu, window... everithing we CAN make a new window style like 3D why don't we go for it? Yes... Here on LatinAmerica (Venezuela) the patents issue is really big, so (kind'a proposition) why don't we re-make a new style concept on the desktop for Fedora 9? It could be the start for a longer way. Saludos! 2007/11/28, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Jack Badger wrote: This is probably going to be completely unwelcome, but, how about Not necessarily unwelcome, but certainly offtopic: we, people in the Art Team don't have the power and knowledge to do this. You may want to talk about this topic with the Games SIG (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Games). Really, I like to play games, other people around do the same, but this is not the right place for the topic. recoding the entire OS to get it to be compatible with games, like windows? yea i know lots of you have your reason to hate windows, but they've been doing a pretty good job since day 1 with making it compatible with every last little tiny bit of rampant hardware out there, and more, 1 or 2 problems isnt really worth dissing it out now is it? anyway. I do not understand exactly your point, but I think you have it wrong. - compatible with games like run the latest Windows games? We can't help much if the game developers choose to target Windows (and use things like DirectX instead of OpenGL). Emulation (Wine) is the best hope; - as in have good 3D hardware support? there is a lot of work on this, but is not easy: the hardware manufactures provide drivers for Windows and in many cases not even documentation for Linux developers to make their own. Due to license, is not possible (and outside of our goals anyway) for Fedora to ship binary (proprietary) drivers; - as in have quality games out-of-the-box? The Games SIG do its best about this. Aside from the gamers aspect, what about a new GUI? dunno about you lot but i gotta say im getting REALLY sick of menu bars and windows. how bout a 3D interface? selectable themes of course, and maybe even some innovation taken from some outside sources? like for example, anime? ever seen serial experiments LAIN? no? oh well. 3D would BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF windows Keep in mind Fedora is a general purpose operating system and a general purpose desktop so it should work equally well in both games but general desktop (browsing the web, reading email, doing office stuff, etc.) Creating such a new interface is a kind of Holy Grail and whoever can invent it may consider himself hitting the jackpot. Try to cohesively write yourself a specification about such an interface and if it is good enough you may get followers. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro http://www.tatica.org http://www.iseit.net http://www.latinux.org http://www.fedora-ve.org http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MariaLeandro LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 Be yourself... Don't be anyone else ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: start the process for F9 theming?
María Leandro wrote: I think that I understand a different thing: I'm working into a Fedora wallpaper that should work for F9, and some of my ideas are to making it alive :D (If the people was happy with the infinity giving us the time... we could make the same transition of images on the desktop but using something different as a pattern). I wanted to bring a talk (in a different thread) about dynamic versus static backgrounds and what we are aiming for in F9, but if you said about it, here is a good place to talk. The dynamic background was a popular feature, well received in the reviews, a step forward. But on the other hand it may limit the design options: it work very well for an abstract theme like Infinity, but it won't work for something elaborated like FlyingHigh and it would be hard (but not impossible) for something like DNA. So there are ups and downs. The window style... Can we ad some textures to menu bar? (Gnome and KDE) like a 3D sensation? I now that we could make something on inkscape looking like a pipe and instead see the things up the bar this COULD BE SEEN as inside... (but I'm not shure that if this is possible just saying what I have in mind to develop for F9 AS PERSONAL WORK) Like http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity/155 ? Yes, it should be possible to use pixmaps engines, but they are usually slower and consume more resources (and in my personal opinion look busy). Menu, window... everithing we CAN make a new window style like 3D why don't we go for it? Why? Because nobody convinced us this is the best thing. The best way would be for you, I think, to create a mockup, post it here and impress everybody. Yes... Here on LatinAmerica (Venezuela) the patents issue is really big, so (kind'a proposition) why don't we re-make a new style concept on the desktop for Fedora 9? It could be the start for a longer way. The same thing: post a mockup and get some enthusiastic followers. If it is something complex it may take more than one release cycle. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: start the process for F9 theming?
On Wednesday 28 November 2007 14:22:37 Nicu Buculei wrote: María Leandro wrote: I think that I understand a different thing: I'm working into a Fedora wallpaper that should work for F9, and some of my ideas are to making it alive :D (If the people was happy with the infinity giving us the time... we could make the same transition of images on the desktop but using something different as a pattern). I wanted to bring a talk (in a different thread) about dynamic versus static backgrounds and what we are aiming for in F9, but if you said about it, here is a good place to talk. The dynamic background was a popular feature, well received in the reviews, a step forward. But on the other hand it may limit the design options: it work very well for an abstract theme like Infinity, but it won't work for something elaborated like FlyingHigh and it would be hard (but not impossible) for something like DNA. So there are ups and downs. The window style... Can we ad some textures to menu bar? (Gnome and KDE) like a 3D sensation? I now that we could make something on inkscape looking like a pipe and instead see the things up the bar this COULD BE SEEN as inside... (but I'm not shure that if this is possible just saying what I have in mind to develop for F9 AS PERSONAL WORK) Like http://art.gnome.org/themes/metacity/155 ? Yes, it should be possible to use pixmaps engines, but they are usually slower and consume more resources (and in my personal opinion look busy). Menu, window... everithing we CAN make a new window style like 3D why don't we go for it? Why? Because nobody convinced us this is the best thing. The best way would be for you, I think, to create a mockup, post it here and impress everybody. Yes... Here on LatinAmerica (Venezuela) the patents issue is really big, so (kind'a proposition) why don't we re-make a new style concept on the desktop for Fedora 9? It could be the start for a longer way. The same thing: post a mockup and get some enthusiastic followers. If it is something complex it may take more than one release cycle. Wow! A lot as been going on here :) María, I like your proposals (3D, dynamic backgrounds, etc), I've been thinking about the samething, but I didn't say anything because I thought that it'd be stupid and not welcome. I would like to talk to you about this, and maybe we can let the rest know about what we reach as a conclusion :) Do you use GTalk? I'll add you up! Cheers! -- Laith Juwaidah http://www.ljuwaidah.org/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
start the process for F9 theming?
The schedule for the F9 release is published [2], I think the time to start the process for its graphics, so I created the placeholder wiki page [1] (dates are marked as TBD, they will be defined by Mo, probably counting the F9 release schedule and the winter holidays). What do you think about the 3 round process based on the past experience? Do it need modifications, improvements? There were some ideas for an additional preliminary round. So talk in this thread about the process and in new threads about theming proposals. [1] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes [2] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: start the process for F9 theming?
María Leandro wrote: I'll like to colaborate from the start this time How many time do we have to deliver a first work? Have a look at the wiki page I linked http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes The dates are not here yet, Mo as a project leader will set them, but based on past experience: the first round will take some weeks, probably until after winter holidays (or just before them, to use the holiday break for the round 2) but in the first round you are not expected for a functional work, only a concept (a sketch is enough) with a formal announcement on this list and a page on the wiki. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: start the process for F9 theming?
Laith Juwaidah wrote: I'll add Falco to the list... :) Please note, this is about wallpaper theming (including splash screens) not about window decorations or icons, those are orthogonal projects (the background you used for the Falco screenshot [1] is not original, so it won't qualify, but you can create something in the same style). [1] - http://ljuwaida.fedorapeople.org/Artwork/Falco/Falco.png -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: start the process for F9 theming?
Mark wrote: 2007/11/27, Nicu Buculei [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The schedule for the F9 release is published [2], I think the time to start the process for its graphics, so I created the placeholder wiki page [1] (dates are marked as TBD, they will be defined by Mo, probably counting the F9 release schedule and the winter holidays). What do you think about the 3 round process based on the past experience? Do it need modifications, improvements? There were some ideas for an additional preliminary round. So talk in this thread about the process and in new threads about theming proposals. Wouldn't it be better if Fedora 9 was not getting a new theme but just a refined Fedora 8 theme? meaning that the F8 theme is everywhere in F9 (including KDE) instead of just having another theme that is (again) for gnome only? That sounds interesting enough to launch it to discussion. Now personally I thing we should give a step forward from the theme from Fedora 8 and not re-used and improve, cause people don't see all the work they just look at the first windows and get, sometimes, the last impression they will alway get from the art in the release it was the same last time. Fedora is well known for being fast paced and innovative so if we want to fallow that spirit I thing we should move forward. I would love to see a theme with something that was somewath alive, the theme could be something like breath, keep going or live, I'll work a bit in breath when I have time, if anyone likes any idea feel free to take it and develop it. So no new theme! just improve the current theme and let it pop up in all the splash screens (openoffice, gimp ect..) Greetings -- Sven von Brand Laredo Estudiante de Ing. Civil Informatica, UTFSM Fedora Ambassador for Chile Coordinador Ciclo Charlas Tecnicas, DI, UTFSM ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: start the process for F9 theming?
I'm going to stick with my original proposal of following the motto that Fedora sort of has. Infinity, Freedom, Choice, unless I'm mistaken and have been corrected on that and forget that fact. Since we covered Infinity, I'll try and come up with some ideas for Freedom. Nicu Buculei wrote: The schedule for the F9 release is published [2], I think the time to start the process for its graphics, so I created the placeholder wiki page [1] (dates are marked as TBD, they will be defined by Mo, probably counting the F9 release schedule and the winter holidays). What do you think about the 3 round process based on the past experience? Do it need modifications, improvements? There were some ideas for an additional preliminary round. So talk in this thread about the process and in new threads about theming proposals. [1] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes [2] - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule -- ~Michael http://ridleytx.structed.net (for now) http://michaelbox.net (eventually) ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: start the process for F9 theming?
Michael Beckwith wrote: I'm going to stick with my original proposal of following the motto that Fedora sort of has. Infinity, Freedom, Choice, unless I'm mistaken and have been corrected on that and forget that fact. Since we covered Infinity, I'll try and come up with some ideas for Freedom. I actually was thinking of an alive theme trying to represent freedom, because to give freedom a face it's not general, so I was thinking to go for a theme refering to freedom, but not directly. breath or just breath keep going live all try to represent freedom. I like the Theme infinity, but I feel is way to general, and one gets lost in generalizations. My Humble Opinion Greetings -- Sven von Brand Laredo Estudiante de Ing. Civil Informatica, UTFSM Fedora Ambassador for Chile Coordinador Ciclo Charlas Tecnicas, DI, UTFSM ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: start the process for F9 theming?
Mark wrote: Wouldn't it be better if Fedora 9 was not getting a new theme but just a refined Fedora 8 theme? meaning that the F8 theme is everywhere in I think we used the people with a new theme for each release, so no new theme would be seen as a step back. Also, if we don't do a new theme, were is the fun for us? F9 (including KDE) instead of just having another theme that is (again) for gnome only? If a theme isn't everywhere this shuld be considered a bug (IMO). Have you submitted a KDE Infinity and it was rejected? It is a problem of manpower, number of contributors and contributor's personal priorities. So no new theme! just improve the current theme and let it pop up in all the splash screens (openoffice, gimp ect..) We talked (on this list) about theming splash screens of the likes of OOo or GIMP and the conclusion was we don't want this: it would collide with those projects branding and identity. -- nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/ Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
