Re: Pondus license change GPLv3+ - MIT
Hi all, pondus was previously licensed under GPLv3+; now starting from 0.7.0 the license is MIT. That's doable? o.O -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Wiki Feature Dashboard Additional Category
Wiki Feature Dashboard Additional Category Who would implement this, if this is approved by many would someone do it or do I need to find an employee to do it? Is this mailing list a suggestion forum for those that can do or can some do it themselves? Well, I think it's better you post your idea here: http://my.opera.com/community/forums/forum.dml?id=24 -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?
Fedora has already chosen to make the 32bit builds incompatible with pre-686 systems for performance gains Yes, a decision I consider to be a Fedora managment mistake. Seems to me, as if some people in Fedora's leadership don't want to understand that being able to deploy Linux on old or recycled hardware used to be one big selling point in Linux. Certainly, Fedora devs tend to be equipped with modern HW, but it's a mistake to believe everybody is. I think if your position is that most users don't care about performance and other things (like compatibility) are more important then you should strongly promote x86_64 Fedora for everyone who can use it. Not quite. My position actually is: Most users don't care much about 1-2% improved performance nor about improved internals (more registers etc.), as long as their system does what they want it to do. That said, these users don't actually care about using 64bit or 32bit Linux, as long as their applications behave reasonable and as long as the OS is easy to use. Or differently: I don't need a car with a 250kw engine and 7 seats to drive to the supermarket. My 8-years of VW Polo with its 50kW engine will also do ;) I totally agree with you. :) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?
if _you_ want to support slower machines ... _you_ will have to do the work, you might get help from the community but just ranting on f-d-l Everyone should solve my problems is unlikely to actually help. IMO. I would if I could. I can't program. Else I would just shutup and would DO the work! So the only thing I can do is babel. Alternative I can just sit there and see how the things become worse.. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Ubuntu Xorg Guru calls for help. Was Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
Nope, Bryce doesn't get to work on upstream in any significant way as part of his Ubuntu work. I was chatting with Dave about this on IRC the other day. The most significant submission to upstream X.org that's ever come out of Ubuntu is a quirk table. (yippee.) Did you chatted with Bryce? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?
The Bugzappers also always happy to have more people volunteer to help with X.org bug triage; it's a lot of work to keep on top of. I'd like to help. But the wikipage for testing Xorg issues* is a way to much to read, given the case you follow all the links on the site and you need to do so to get an overview. :S To much confusing for a newb. A real howto with goal, what you need, small steps, final step, conclusion and how it change things would be nice. :) *https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Xorg_problems -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: take me off list
I am no longer using fedora. Please take me off mailing list. Thank You. remove yourself -- https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list Ouch. xD -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?
The netbook problem can be addressed by a download netbook edition link which can then be not only 32-bit, but also using a desktop optimized for netbook display and RAM sizes rather than the default GNOME. There is a Fedora 12 LXDE Spin that I think would fit the gap. But it need some love. : -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Xorg and multitouch
Xorg has a lot of catching up to do. Just be patient. I am not very good at it. xD -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?
I noticed that http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora appears to be strongly promoting i386 Fedora over x86_64. Is this intentional or an oversight? I agree, that was my first impression as well. However, if you just want a single download now button, 32-bit would get you the widest hardware coverage. And you can run a 32-bit OS on an 64-bit architecture. The other way doesn't work. ^^ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?
IMHO, the right solution is to make the 64-bit edition the default download and to work on making the error message people get when trying to install it on a 32-bit machine nicer: We're sorry, but your computer is too old to install this 64-bit version of Fedora. Please download the legacy 32-bit edition instead. That would be an aweful first experience. Imagine her thoughts: Oh. I made something wrong.. Maybe it's nothing for me.. I suggest to let it as it is and check the system (if 64bit or 32bit) when it is running. Maybe then a little popup comes up with something like: You're pc could be run faster, if you upgrade this operating system to the 64bit version of it. You can download them here if you like: [Link] Even better would be: You're pc could be run faster, if you upgrade this operating system to the 64bit version of it. You can do so by clicking here: [Button] -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?
Yeah, they're a huge step backwards (and not just for 64-bit computing, but also for CPU speed, RAM, disk space (especially where SSDs are used instead of the traditional HDDs) and LCD pixel counts I like this fact. I think this will push Linux. Code on slow machines, and on normal machines, the system will kick-ass! :D -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?
Except, that could be false advertising. In most cases, where CPU computation is not used heavily, 64-bit is actually SLOWER than the 32-bit counterpart. Optimizations are narrowing the gap, but it still remains true. Why then should someone prefer 64bit over 32bit? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?
That gives very little incentive to fetch the correct version. Why should a person bother with it, when a pc can do that? And I think that by now the vast majority of our userbase uses 64-bit-capable machines. I don't know. Maybe a poll would be good for that? :) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?
Why then should someone prefer 64bit over 32bit? 4 Reasons: 1: Date/Time stamp, Unix time doesn't work in 32-bit past 2038 (not really affecting us much, most of us will replace our PCs long before then) What do the people with 32bit cpus who won't/can't upgrade? 2: Access more than 4GB of RAM (definitely becoming increasingly important) I hope for the apps, not for the system. I don't want to become Linux the next Vista.. 3: Enhanced performance-critical computational capabilities (if you do a lot of complex HD photo, HD video, or HD audio work, or if you do a lot of raw complex math on your computer, this is EXTREMELY important) 4: Better virtual machine performance Thanks for the answer. :) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Promoting i386 version over x86_64?
What do the people with 32bit cpus who won't/can't upgrade? Then the Y2k38 problem occurs, which is what the theoretical Y2K problem would have been. No. I meant, what is the solution? Can't we not just write down the time somewhere and began to count the time from zero? o.O Nowadays, it isn't unusual for applications to require at least 512MB of RAM. That builds up, quite quickly. I have only 512MB RAM and I think it is more then enough! And I don't plan to upgrade. If the app eats all my memory, I look for an alternative! -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Drop wodim, use cdrskin instead?
Contrary to what the man page says, wodim doesn't automatically format DVD+RWs, so you have to fully format the disc in advance before using wodim to write it. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=519465 Thanks. :) As I know that's not the only thing that's not fixed in Wodim and fixed in Cdrskin.. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: [Fwd: Meeting (Fedora talk?) to discuss no frozen rawhide]
Is this the place where we talk about new features? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Roopesh's Birthday Calendar
Please click on the link below and enter your birthday for me. I am creating a birthday calendar for myself. Don't worry, it'll take less than a minute (and you don't have to enter your year of birth). Spam? o.O -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: 2009-11-09 Fedora 12 Go/No Go Meeting Minutes
Meeting summary Folks, this question maybe sound stupid but, how do I participate on a meeting? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: 2009-11-09 Fedora 12 Go/No Go Meeting Minutes
Thank you both. : -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Kernel using LZMA compression
The executive summary is: Xen does not let a kernel boot itself, because mimicking bare hardware is too tedious (and pointless.) Instead, Xen instantiates an instance of a kernel into the Xen environment. To do this instantiation, Xen does its own decompression, so Xen must know everything about the compression. I know you're right. But that sound stupid to me: The kernel itself has routines built-in for decompression. Why isn't it enough to let Xen use the same routines for decompression as the kernel? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Kernel using LZMA compression
I am reading between the lines here (I have never looked at this stuff in Xen) but I would assume it's for the reason given above. The kernel's own decompression routines must run very early on in the boot process - well before the first line of C code runs and while the CPU (on x86) is still running in legacy real addressing mode (right after the handover from the bootloader and relocation of the kernel image). Ok. Sounds plausible. How is it to seperate the routines? Can they brought from legacy mode to real mode? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Boot from CD, safe changes to USB-Stick
You don't wanna change something on the harddisks, but wanna safe the changes. So you boot from Live-CD and the changes are redirected to the USB-Stick. Puppy Linux does it that way*. I wanna see it in Fedora. :D *http://puppylinux.com/development/howpuppyworks.html *http://puppylinux.com/development/pup2layers.png -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Boot from CD, safe changes to USB-Stick
Already possible I believe. I think there's a persistent overlay kernel command argument that you can point to use a file on your USB drive if you're booting from CD. I may be wrong on this though. I research for that.. It's easier just to boot from USB though. Faster all the way around. CD/DVDs take ages to boot. I know persistant overlay works swell with this method. I use it personally. Is booting from USB not an option for you? Nope. My pc won't boot from stick. :S -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Boot from CD, safe changes to USB-Stick
Already possible I believe. I think there's a persistent overlay kernel command argument that you can point to use a file on your USB drive if you're booting from CD. I may be wrong on this though. I research for that.. I looked for kernel command. The only sources I found where this* and this*. Both doesn't mention persistent overlay. *http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Options *http://docs.fedoraproject.org/install-guide/f11/en-US/html/ap-admin-options.html Only for USB-Sticks persistent overlay is mentioned. *http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB And I found another guy who asked for the same feature. *https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-livecd-list/2008-October/msg9.html -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Boot from CD, safe changes to USB-Stick
Look here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_Live_USB and scroll down to data persistence The primary usage of this feature is booting a USB stick with your live image as well as the persistent changes. Sorry. But that's not what I meant. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Web page for distro life cycle stage
Web page for distro life cycle stage If a release is in freeze, it can be in marked in an yellow circle, and when we can push packages to a release, it can be in a green circle, similar to traffic signal lights I like this idea. :) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Kernel using LZMA compression
As I know, the kernel is compressed with bzip2 or gzip. How about using LZMA instead? Or is that already the case? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Kernel using LZMA compression
As I know, the kernel is compressed with bzip2 or gzip. How about using LZMA instead? Or is that already the case? There is such an option but it is currently disabled due to missing support in xen. Thanks. But don't understand. What has LZMA todo with Xen? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Unreadable binaries
I just saw this article about an effort to create Universal binary style ELF binaries for Linux, and I thought that this would be something to watch, so that Fedora could integrate both x86-32 and x86-64 into single DVD sets. I don't suggest to do that. As already mentioned, that would double the size of the distro/iso. I would use this technic only, if neccessary. About fat-elf in general: As long as it is optional, I am fine with it. May it at compile time or after compiling by stripping binaries. (I'd like to see both options.) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Unreadable binaries
Sorry. Wrong mail. ^^' -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora with Universal Binaries?
I just saw this article about an effort to create Universal binary style ELF binaries for Linux, and I thought that this would be something to watch, so that Fedora could integrate both x86-32 and x86-64 into single DVD sets. I don't suggest to do that. As already mentioned, that would double the size of the distro/iso. I would use this technic only, if neccessary. About fat-elf in general: As long as it is optional, I am fine with it. May it at compile time or after compiling by stripping binaries. (I'd like to see both options.) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
