Re: Pulseaudio in F12
On Sun, 29.11.09 12:58, Paulo Cavalcanti (pro...@gmail.com) wrote: Hi, I made a clean install of Fedora 12, and pulseaudio seems to be behaving completely different. Any mixer control I have (master, pcm, front ,,,) affects the pulse volume slider (looking at pavucontrol). In the past, pulse only controlled PCM, I guess. http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PulseAudioStoleMyVolumes But the worst point is that there is no more application volume memory. All applications when launched are at full volume, and this is really annoying ... That is not true, unless you reconfigured PA in some way... Lennart -- Lennart PoetteringRed Hat, Inc. lennart [at] poettering [dot] net http://0pointer.net/lennart/ GnuPG 0x1A015CC4 -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Pulseaudio in F12
On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:43 AM, Lennart Poettering mzerq...@0pointer.dewrote: On Sun, 29.11.09 12:58, Paulo Cavalcanti (pro...@gmail.com) wrote: Hi, I made a clean install of Fedora 12, and pulseaudio seems to be behaving completely different. Any mixer control I have (master, pcm, front ,,,) affects the pulse volume slider (looking at pavucontrol). In the past, pulse only controlled PCM, I guess. http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PulseAudioStoleMyVolumes But the worst point is that there is no more application volume memory. All applications when launched are at full volume, and this is really annoying ... That is not true, unless you reconfigured PA in some way... You are right. This is true for some applications only, and I found so far three applications needing to be fixed: xmms, audacious and mplayer. I installed audacious 2.2 and it is behaving much better. xmms-pulse plugin was written by you, but I do not know if you are willing to patch xmms. mplayer will be fixed eventually. Now that I understand what you have done, it seems to be a good idea indeed. -- Paulo Roma Cavalcanti LCG - UFRJ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Pulseaudio in F12
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Jud Craft craft...@gmail.com wrote: I have two sound cards installed: one onboard and another PCI. The PCI, the one I do no use very much, works fine. The onboard is the one which does not save the volumes. Every time I call an application its master and pcm volume go to the maximum (I see the sliders going to the top in alsamixer). This has been addressed by the PulseAudio creator. You can read more about it here, see the PCM is always 100%: http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PulseAudioStoleMyVolumes In my lay explanation, Pulse manages the application volumes behind the scenes. It still remembers their values, but it doesn't use Alsamixer to set them. It tries to use the full volume range of the hardware (for better volume scaling), so it keeps every other software linux volume control at full volume, and scales itself internally. Otherwise, ALSA would say you can only use the lower 50% of the sound range of this device. (PCM at 50%). Now Pulse decides internally what volume level is best. Thanks for the explanation. At least 3 applications are not restoring the volumes: xmms, mplayer and audacious. The solution is using the alsa plugin, and not the pulse plugin in these cases. Some others work fine, such as rhythmbox, amarok, vlc, and kradio4. -- Paulo Roma Cavalcanti LCG - UFRJ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Pulseaudio in F12
Dne Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:05:28 -0200 Paulo Cavalcanti napsal(a): Thanks for the explanation. At least 3 applications are not restoring the volumes: xmms, mplayer and audacious. Interesting. Maybe these programs try to be too clever and force the volume themselves. The solution is using the alsa plugin, and not the pulse plugin in these cases. Some others work fine, such as rhythmbox, amarok, vlc, and kradio4. Michal -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Pulseaudio in F12
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:38:15 +0100, Michal wrote: Dne Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:05:28 -0200 Paulo Cavalcanti napsal(a): Thanks for the explanation. At least 3 applications are not restoring the volumes: xmms, mplayer and audacious. Interesting. Maybe these programs try to be too clever and force the volume themselves. It's not an attempt at being too clever, but several upstream developers feel lost in what they have to do or what they have not to do to get something right. Temporarily, Audacious devlopers have dropped their pulse_audio driver (originally from XMMS) even, since they were of the impression that it didn't work anyway. Ubuntu users currently feel punished with Pulse Audio. With a first bunch of fixes [for volume issues in Fedora 12 Rawhide, volume decreased for every new song], the driver was restored again for Audacious 2.2 development. With more recent changes in Pulse Audio, it seems, more changes are necessary. But Audacious 2.1 cannot reflect external volume level changes in its UI anyway. Its volume slider cannot move for volume level changes made with external tools. Only the next release can do that, and it suffers from new bugs (such as a bug in alsa-lib that will require an update in Fedora, too). -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Pulseaudio in F12
Dne Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:12:38 +0100 Michael Schwendt napsal(a):
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:38:15 +0100, Michal wrote:
Dne Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:05:28 -0200 Paulo Cavalcanti napsal(a):
Thanks for the explanation.
At least 3 applications are not restoring the volumes:
xmms, mplayer and audacious.
Interesting. Maybe these programs try to be too clever and force the
volume themselves.
It's not an attempt at being too clever, but several upstream
developers feel lost in what they have to do or what they have not to
do to get something right. Temporarily, Audacious devlopers have
dropped their pulse_audio driver (originally from XMMS) even, since
they were of the impression that it didn't work anyway. Ubuntu
users currently feel punished with Pulse Audio. With a first bunch of
fixes [for volume issues in Fedora 12 Rawhide, volume decreased for
every new song], the driver was restored again for Audacious 2.2
development. With more recent changes in Pulse Audio, it seems, more
changes are necessary. But Audacious 2.1 cannot reflect external
volume level changes in its UI anyway. Its volume slider cannot move
for volume level changes made with external tools. Only the next
release can do that, and it suffers from new bugs (such as a bug in
alsa-lib that will require an update in Fedora, too).
Thanks for the explanation. Before I saw your reply, I played with
audacious-plugins and made a kludge to prevent it from forcing 100 %
volume on startup. It probably breaks something else, I haven't really
tested it too much.
Notice that the documentation for pa_stream_connect_playback strongly
recommends passing NULL as volume.
Index: audacious-plugins-fedora-2.1/src/pulse_audio/pulse_audio.c
===
--- audacious-plugins-fedora-2.1.orig/src/pulse_audio/pulse_audio.c
+++ audacious-plugins-fedora-2.1/src/pulse_audio/pulse_audio.c
@@ -666,7 +666,7 @@ static int pulse_open(AFormat fmt, int r
pa_stream_set_write_callback(stream, stream_request_cb, NULL);
pa_stream_set_latency_update_callback(stream, stream_latency_update_cb,
NULL);
-if (pa_stream_connect_playback(stream, NULL, NULL,
PA_STREAM_INTERPOLATE_TIMING|PA_STREAM_AUTO_TIMING_UPDATE, volume, NULL) 0) {
+if (pa_stream_connect_playback(stream, NULL, NULL,
PA_STREAM_INTERPOLATE_TIMING|PA_STREAM_AUTO_TIMING_UPDATE, NULL, NULL) 0) {
AUDDBG(Failed to connect stream: %s,
pa_strerror(pa_context_errno(context)));
goto unlock_and_fail;
}
@@ -715,6 +715,7 @@ static int pulse_open(AFormat fmt, int r
}
pa_operation_unref(o);
+#if 0
/* set initial volume */
if (!(o = pa_context_set_sink_input_volume(context,
pa_stream_get_index(stream), volume, NULL, NULL))) {
g_warning(pa_context_set_sink_input_volume() failed: %s,
pa_strerror(pa_context_errno(context)));
@@ -725,6 +726,7 @@ static int pulse_open(AFormat fmt, int r
pa_threaded_mainloop_wait(mainloop);
}
pa_operation_unref(o);
+#endif
do_trigger = 0;
written = 0;
--
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Re: Pulseaudio in F12
On Mon, 2009-11-30 at 11:36 +0100, Michal Schmidt wrote: Dne Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:12:38 +0100 Michael Schwendt napsal(a): On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:38:15 +0100, Michal wrote: Dne Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:05:28 -0200 Paulo Cavalcanti napsal(a): Thanks for the explanation. At least 3 applications are not restoring the volumes: xmms, mplayer and audacious. Interesting. Maybe these programs try to be too clever and force the volume themselves. It's not an attempt at being too clever, but several upstream developers feel lost in what they have to do or what they have not to do to get something right. Temporarily, Audacious devlopers have dropped their pulse_audio driver (originally from XMMS) even, since they were of the impression that it didn't work anyway. Ubuntu users currently feel punished with Pulse Audio. With a first bunch of fixes [for volume issues in Fedora 12 Rawhide, volume decreased for every new song], the driver was restored again for Audacious 2.2 development. With more recent changes in Pulse Audio, it seems, more changes are necessary. But Audacious 2.1 cannot reflect external volume level changes in its UI anyway. Its volume slider cannot move for volume level changes made with external tools. Only the next release can do that, and it suffers from new bugs (such as a bug in alsa-lib that will require an update in Fedora, too). Thanks for the explanation. Before I saw your reply, I played with audacious-plugins and made a kludge to prevent it from forcing 100 % volume on startup. It probably breaks something else, I haven't really tested it too much. Notice that the documentation for pa_stream_connect_playback strongly recommends passing NULL as volume. This looks correct, you're never supposed to restore volume yourself when using PulseAudio. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Pulseaudio in F12
On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:43:10 +, Bastien wrote: Notice that the documentation for pa_stream_connect_playback strongly recommends passing NULL as volume. This looks correct, you're never supposed to restore volume yourself when using PulseAudio. Which is exactly my fix that went into Audacious 2.2 before: http://cvs.fedoraproject.org/viewvc/devel/audacious-plugins/audacious-plugins-2.2-beta1-pulseaudio.patch?hideattic=0revision=1.1view=markup -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Pulseaudio in F12
Hi, I made a clean install of Fedora 12, and pulseaudio seems to be behaving completely different. Any mixer control I have (master, pcm, front ,,,) affects the pulse volume slider (looking at pavucontrol). In the past, pulse only controlled PCM, I guess. But the worst point is that there is no more application volume memory. All applications when launched are at full volume, and this is really annoying ... Is this a kind of new feature? Is it configurable? -- Paulo Roma Cavalcanti LCG - UFRJ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Pulseaudio in F12
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Paulo Cavalcanti pro...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I made a clean install of Fedora 12, and pulseaudio seems to be behaving completely different. Any mixer control I have (master, pcm, front ,,,) affects the pulse volume slider (looking at pavucontrol). In the past, pulse only controlled PCM, I guess. This is a feature, not a bug. But the worst point is that there is no more application volume memory. All applications when launched are at full volume, and this is really annoying ... This sounds like a bug (works for me though) -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Pulseaudio in F12
On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 1:01 PM, drago01 drag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 29, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Paulo Cavalcanti pro...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I made a clean install of Fedora 12, and pulseaudio seems to be behaving completely different. Any mixer control I have (master, pcm, front ,,,) affects the pulse volume slider (looking at pavucontrol). In the past, pulse only controlled PCM, I guess. This is a feature, not a bug. But the worst point is that there is no more application volume memory. All applications when launched are at full volume, and this is really annoying ... This sounds like a bug (works for me though) I have two sound cards installed: one onboard and another PCI. The PCI, the one I do no use very much, works fine. The onboard is the one which does not save the volumes. Every time I call an application its master and pcm volume go to the maximum (I see the sliders going to the top in alsamixer). -- Paulo Roma Cavalcanti LCG - UFRJ -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Pulseaudio in F12
I have two sound cards installed: one onboard and another PCI. The PCI, the one I do no use very much, works fine. The onboard is the one which does not save the volumes. Every time I call an application its master and pcm volume go to the maximum (I see the sliders going to the top in alsamixer). This has been addressed by the PulseAudio creator. You can read more about it here, see the PCM is always 100%: http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/PulseAudioStoleMyVolumes In my lay explanation, Pulse manages the application volumes behind the scenes. It still remembers their values, but it doesn't use Alsamixer to set them. It tries to use the full volume range of the hardware (for better volume scaling), so it keeps every other software linux volume control at full volume, and scales itself internally. Otherwise, ALSA would say you can only use the lower 50% of the sound range of this device. (PCM at 50%). Now Pulse decides internally what volume level is best. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Pulseaudio in F12
Paulo Cavalcanti wrote: But the worst point is that there is no more application volume memory. All applications when launched are at full volume, and this is really annoying ... Looks like the flat volumes feature: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2009-June/msg01810.html Kevin Kofler -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
