Re: Fedora 12 Beta
On 10/26/2009 09:08 AM, Jud Craft wrote: On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 3:19 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Yes. Development releases of Fedora have a large number of debugging stuff enabled. I really can't tell if you're joking. No joke. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KernelDebugStrategy Rahul -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Beta
On 10/24/2009 06:17 PM, Ilyes Gouta wrote: Hi, Was Fedora 12 Beta released with all sort of debugging info. compiled in? I just want to find the cause of the general slowness .. Yes. Development releases of Fedora have a large number of debugging stuff enabled. Rahul -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Beta
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 3:19 AM, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Yes. Development releases of Fedora have a large number of debugging stuff enabled. I really can't tell if you're joking. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Beta
On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 23:38:31 -0400, Jud Craft craft...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 3:19 AM, Rahul Sundaram sunda...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Yes. Development releases of Fedora have a large number of debugging stuff enabled. I really can't tell if you're joking. I think that is an exageration. But at various times in the development cycle debugging is often turned on in the kernel. This can impact performance or just make the kernel downloads larger. There are separate debuginfo packages you can get, but you don't get those by default. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Beta
Hi Michal, I just installed Fedora 12 Beta into a VirtualBox VM and I'm experiencing the same symptoms. How did you disable plymouth from grub? The whole boot process is really slow. Regards, Ilyes Gouta. 2009/10/21 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: Hi, I just installed F12 Beta. Here are some thoughts 1 - during the first boot smolt panicked - there was an error related to time zones in python-sitepackages or something like that. 2 - I tried to reboot the system - ctrl + alt + del, but it stopped on process termination 3 - after reboot system wanted my root password for partition check - after I pressed each key, the system gave me a communicate about wrong password I guess this is a plymouth bug. I disabled it in grub conf and system works correctly. Is there any chance to completely remove plymouth from the system? (even from initrd) 4 - F12 boots really slow on my laptop http://www.stardust.webpages.pl/files/tmp/bootchart.png something wrong is happening while udev loading 5 - default gnome sound scheme is terrible The first impression isn't good. Regards, Michal -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Beta
Hi, Was Fedora 12 Beta released with all sort of debugging info. compiled in? I just want to find the cause of the general slowness .. -Ilyes On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 11:57 AM, Ilyes Gouta ilyes.go...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Michal, I just installed Fedora 12 Beta into a VirtualBox VM and I'm experiencing the same symptoms. How did you disable plymouth from grub? The whole boot process is really slow. Regards, Ilyes Gouta. 2009/10/21 Michał Piotrowski mkkp...@gmail.com: Hi, I just installed F12 Beta. Here are some thoughts 1 - during the first boot smolt panicked - there was an error related to time zones in python-sitepackages or something like that. 2 - I tried to reboot the system - ctrl + alt + del, but it stopped on process termination 3 - after reboot system wanted my root password for partition check - after I pressed each key, the system gave me a communicate about wrong password I guess this is a plymouth bug. I disabled it in grub conf and system works correctly. Is there any chance to completely remove plymouth from the system? (even from initrd) 4 - F12 boots really slow on my laptop http://www.stardust.webpages.pl/files/tmp/bootchart.png something wrong is happening while udev loading 5 - default gnome sound scheme is terrible The first impression isn't good. Regards, Michal -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Beta now available!
Hi All, * Moblin graphical interface for netbooks - The Moblin graphical interface and applications are fully integrated thanks to Peter Robinson, a Fedora Project volunteer, and others. To use it, just install the Moblin Desktop Environment package group using yum or the graphical software management tools, and choose Moblin from the login manager. A F12 Moblin Fedora Remix (installable Live CD) will also be available. I'm a little late to the Fedora 12 beta party (thanks to life for getting in the way) as I was hoping to get a test LiveCD out right after the beta but fashionably late here is the first cut of the Fedora Mini - Moblin livecd based on todays rawhide. It has been tested on a eee PC 901 and should work fine on Intel Atom based netbooks. You mileage may vary on other platforms especially on non Intel graphics cards. Please let me know of feedback on the live cd and report bugs against specific packages. Enjoy http://fedora.roving-it.com/FedoraMoblin12-LiveCD.iso I plan to do at least weekly test releases of the livecd in the lead up to Fedora 12. Cheers, Peter -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Beta
On 10/21/2009 11:49 PM, Michał Piotrowski wrote: 2009/10/21 Adam Williamsonawill...@redhat.com: On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 12:31 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: I guess this is a plymouth bug. I disabled it in grub conf and system works correctly. Is there any chance to completely remove plymouth from the system? (even from initrd) From a quick look, we don't have a bug filed for the fact that entering the root password at this point doesn't work with Plymouth. Could you please file one with a full description, and mark it as blocking F12Blocker? Thanks. Here is a bug report https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530224 I don't know how to mark it as a blocker. 4 - F12 boots really slow on my laptop http://www.stardust.webpages.pl/files/tmp/bootchart.png something wrong is happening while udev loading Please file a bug for this, on 'udev' component for now, and CC Harald Hoyer (hhoyer at redhat). Thanks! Note that on my Thinkpad R52 Laptop F11 started doing this after a udev RPM update. It turned out to be the fact that there was no floppy drive in my system but the BIOS was configured with one enabled. I suspect this is default in some laptops so that docking stations etc work ?? I think this bug is in Bugzilla, but I suspect it has not been fixed ... Done https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=530226 5 - default gnome sound scheme is terrible This is a pretty subjective topic. Yes, I know :) Regards, Michal -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Beta
On Fri, 2009-10-23 at 14:08 +0100, Terry Barnaby wrote: 4 - F12 boots really slow on my laptop http://www.stardust.webpages.pl/files/tmp/bootchart.png something wrong is happening while udev loading Please file a bug for this, on 'udev' component for now, and CC Harald Hoyer (hhoyer at redhat). Thanks! Note that on my Thinkpad R52 Laptop F11 started doing this after a udev RPM update. It turned out to be the fact that there was no floppy drive in my system but the BIOS was configured with one enabled. I suspect this is default in some laptops so that docking stations etc work ?? I think this bug is in Bugzilla, but I suspect it has not been fixed ... That one's known, but is different from what the OP was seeing. With the floppy-enabled thing, the system pauses entirely for pretty much exactly a minute. The OP's case is different as bootchart shows. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Beta
Dne 21.10.2009 23:35, Adam Williamson napsal(a): 4 - F12 boots really slow on my laptop http://www.stardust.webpages.pl/files/tmp/bootchart.png something wrong is happening while udev loading I have filed a bug https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=528312 ... if you run udevadm monitor --env while udev is eating your CPU (yes, I know it is tough, I tried many times before I succeeded), who is to blame? Matěj -- http://www.ceplovi.cz/matej/, Jabber: mceplatceplovi.cz GPG Finger: 89EF 4BC6 288A BF43 1BAB 25C3 E09F EF25 D964 84AC Don't anthropomorphize computers. They don't like it. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Beta
On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 17:08 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 12:31 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, I just installed F12 Beta. Here are some thoughts 1 - during the first boot smolt panicked - there was an error related to time zones in python-sitepackages or something like that. Could you try to reproduce and provide more precise details on the error? There's not a lot we can do with that level of detail. The smolt firstboot thing is already fixed, just didn't make it in time for the beta, my bad. Is there a bug report I can reference so I can add this to the Common Bugs page with a reasonable level of detail? I don't remember if a bug got opened for that one or not, basically when firstboot loads the smolt module fails so it doesn't load. It's attempting to import a deprecated library that doesn't exist. It doesn't actually prevent any functionality other then users don't get prompted to enable smolt. Firstboot continues as normal with license, create user, date time, etc. -Mike-- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Beta
Dne 21.10.2009 12:31, Michał Piotrowski napsal: I just installed F12 Beta. Here are some thoughts Hello, Thank you for testing the Beta. 1 - during the first boot smolt panicked - there was an error related to time zones in python-sitepackages or something like that. 2 - I tried to reboot the system - ctrl + alt + del, but it stopped on process termination 3 - after reboot system wanted my root password for partition check - after I pressed each key, the system gave me a communicate about wrong password I guess this is a plymouth bug. I disabled it in grub conf and system works correctly. Is there any chance to completely remove plymouth from the system? (even from initrd) 4 - F12 boots really slow on my laptop http://www.stardust.webpages.pl/files/tmp/bootchart.png something wrong is happening while udev loading 5 - default gnome sound scheme is terrible Have you file Bugzilla tickets for any of these issues? If not yet, please do so and provide more detailed information if possible. Thanks, Michal -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Beta
On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 12:31 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, I just installed F12 Beta. Here are some thoughts 1 - during the first boot smolt panicked - there was an error related to time zones in python-sitepackages or something like that. Could you try to reproduce and provide more precise details on the error? There's not a lot we can do with that level of detail. 2 - I tried to reboot the system - ctrl + alt + del, but it stopped on process termination It _may_ not actually have stopped, rebooting from firstboot can be quite sluggish I've noticed, but goes through eventually. 3 - after reboot system wanted my root password for partition check - after I pressed each key, the system gave me a communicate about wrong password The fact that it wanted to do fsck at all may be https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=522969 , which is fixed in tomorrow's Rawhide. I guess this is a plymouth bug. I disabled it in grub conf and system works correctly. Is there any chance to completely remove plymouth from the system? (even from initrd) From a quick look, we don't have a bug filed for the fact that entering the root password at this point doesn't work with Plymouth. Could you please file one with a full description, and mark it as blocking F12Blocker? Thanks. 4 - F12 boots really slow on my laptop http://www.stardust.webpages.pl/files/tmp/bootchart.png something wrong is happening while udev loading Please file a bug for this, on 'udev' component for now, and CC Harald Hoyer (hhoyer at redhat). Thanks! 5 - default gnome sound scheme is terrible This is a pretty subjective topic. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Beta
On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 17:08 -0500, Mike McGrath wrote: On Wed, 21 Oct 2009, Adam Williamson wrote: On Wed, 2009-10-21 at 12:31 +0200, Michał Piotrowski wrote: Hi, I just installed F12 Beta. Here are some thoughts 1 - during the first boot smolt panicked - there was an error related to time zones in python-sitepackages or something like that. Could you try to reproduce and provide more precise details on the error? There's not a lot we can do with that level of detail. The smolt firstboot thing is already fixed, just didn't make it in time for the beta, my bad. Is there a bug report I can reference so I can add this to the Common Bugs page with a reasonable level of detail? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Beta Blocker Meeting Recap 2009-09-18
On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 16:17 -0700, John Poelstra wrote: o We also did a quick pass through the F12Blocker list to make sure there were no bugs that should also be on F12Beta. Well, in fact we promoted two bugs to f12beta. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 12 Beta Review Meeting--Friday 2009-09-18 @ 15:00 UTC (11 AM EDT)
We have some new anaconda bugs for latest rawhide,see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Results:Fedora_12_PreBeta_Install On 09/17/2009 06:50 AM, John Poelstra wrote: When: Friday, 2009-09-18 @ 15:00 UTC (11 AM EDT) Where: #fedora-bugzappers on irc.freenode.net Join us Friday for the second blocker bug review of the F-12-Beta cycle. Review will focus on unresolved bugs listed on the F12Beta list Have an issue you'd like to propose for F12Beta? Please consider the following criteria when escalating an issue: * Can this issue be fixed with a future rawhide update or is it part of the media kit? * Is this defect a high (or greater) severity [1] with no, or an unreasonable, workaround? * Does the presence of this bug dramatically reduce test coverage? If in doubt add it to the blocker or ask for help. The current list of Fedora 12 Beta blocker bugs follows: F12Beta--https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=507678hide_resolved=1 * 498591 [MODIFIED - medium - dleh...@redhat.com - --- -] Cannot specify mount point for hard disk partition containing the ISO install image [See dependency tree for bug 498591] * 515450 [MODIFIED - medium - rvyky...@redhat.com - --- -] Stage1: cannot back to last step . [See dependency tree for bug 515450] * 516042 [MODIFIED - medium - rvyky...@redhat.com - --- - Reopened] Unable to add NFS yum repo during installation [See dependency tree for bug 516042] * 517260 [ASSIGNED - medium - anaconda-maint-l...@redhat.com - --- -] liveinst fails at partitioning screen [See dependency tree for bug 517260] * 518194 [MODIFIED - medium - rvyky...@redhat.com - --- -] askmethod boot option allows installation from HDD only [See dependency tree for bug 518194] * 518226 [NEW - medium - kernel-ma...@redhat.com - --- -] INFO: possible circular locking dependency detected - 2.6.31-0.125.4.2.rc5.git2.fc12.ppc64 [See dependency tree for bug 518226] * 519237 [NEW - medium - cdah...@redhat.com - --- -] -bash: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Inappropriate ioctl for device [See dependency tree for bug 519237] * 520207 [NEW - high - dcantr...@redhat.com - --- -] Filesystem label does not match kernel command line parameter [See dependency tree for bug 520207] We will also review the Fedora 12 Blocker (bugs that must be fixed before Fedora 12 can go GA) F12Blocker--https://bugzilla.redhat.com/showdependencytree.cgi?id=473303hide_resolved=1 * 481068 [ASSIGNED - medium - psatp...@redhat.com - --- -] bitmap-fonts needs updating to revised packaging guidelines [See dependency tree for bug 481068] * 493058 [MODIFIED - high - jgran...@redhat.com - --- -] Custom partitioning creation/edit causes traceback [See dependency tree for bug 493058] * 493472 [NEW - medium - k...@redhat.com - --- -] [945GM] KMS: LVDS wrongly detected as connected, DVI monitor resolution incorrectly set [See dependency tree for bug 493472] * 498156 [ASSIGNED - urgent - sahar...@xs4all.nl - --- -] gadmin-squid does not generate valid squid.conf [See dependency tree for bug 498156] * 498968 [NEW - medium - mar...@redhat.com - --- -] Fedora 12 Virtualization Target Blocker [See dependency tree for bug 498968] o 480593 [NEW - medium - nott...@redhat.com - --- - Tracking] Fedora 11 Virtualization Blocker [See dependency tree for bug 480593] o 507397 [NEW - medium - lvm-t...@redhat.com - --- -] Directory permissions on volume group directory too restrictive [See dependency tree for bug 507397] o 517151 [ASSIGNED - high - crobi...@redhat.com - --- -] virtinst creates cdrom device using virtio rather than IDE [See dependency tree for bug 517151] * 501769 [NEW - medium - jkys...@redhat.com - --- -] intel hda: snd_pcm_avail/snd_pcm_delay overflows [See dependency tree for bug 501769] * 503149 [NEW - medium - anaconda-maint-l...@redhat.com - --- -] Add features to Anaconda to aid installation on Apple computers [See dependency tree for bug 503149] * 506075 [ASSIGNED - medium - jkys...@redhat.com - --- -] snd_intel8x0: snd_pcm_avail()/ snd_pcm_delay() overflow [See dependency tree for bug 506075] * 509733 [NEW - medium - dav...@redhat.com - --- -] Process /usr/libexec/gvfs-gdu-volume-monitor received signal 11 [See dependency tree for bug 509733] * 510127 [ASSIGNED - medium - mmasl...@redhat.com - --- -] perl taint bug [See dependency tree for bug 510127] * 510249 [ASSIGNED - medium - mcla...@redhat.com - --- - Reopened] Missing panel applets on gnome login; Glib-GObject-CRITICAL messages [See dependency tree for bug 510249] * 510950 [ASSIGNED - medium - rstr...@redhat.com - --- - SELinux] SELinux is preventing thunderbird-bin from changing a writable memory segment executable. [See dependency tree for bug 510950] * 512845 [ASSIGNED - high - stran...@redhat.com - --- - Reopened, Security, SELinux] setroubleshoot: SELinux is preventing firefox from changing a writable memory segment executable. [See dependency tree for bug 512845] * 512944 [NEW - high - jmcc...@redhat.com - --- - Desktop] fast-user-switching
Re: Fedora 12 Beta Blocker Meeting #1 Recap--2009-09-11
On Mon, 2009-09-14 at 08:23 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: I wanted to suggest https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=518880 as a candidate for blocker status, because it's a regression in a well-publicized feature. (The maintainers are already aware of the problem and working on it, I'd just like to make sure it's not lost in the shuffle.) That criterion is worth considering generally for blocker status. But maybe it needs some refinement? We don't really have hard and fast criteria for blockers. This is for two reasons: a) we're too lazy to write any, and b) it's really hard. b) obviously has significant implications for a). ;) less flippantly, it's almost impossible to quantify blocker-ness in terms flexible enough to cover all cases, but rigid enough to be of any actual use in objective evaluation (as opposed to just coming down to a subjective judgment call, which is what we currently use). We have a fairly solid definition for *Alpha* blockers - only 'high' or 'urgent' severity bugs in critical path components - but even that requires occasional exceptions, and the higher standard required of Beta and final releases makes it harder to define blocker-ness. So, short story, right now it's a judgment call. I'd certainly judge that this bug is a _final release_ blocker. Whether it's a beta blocker is a trickier call. We'll make sure to cover it in the meeting on Friday to see what everyone thinks. The two main ways to propose something as a blocker: show up to the meeting and raise it, or simply set it as one (as someone's done for this bug already - it's been set as a final release blocker at present) and it'll automatically get looked at during the meeting. If the consensus at the meeting is that it isn't a blocker, it'll be dropped (with an explanation). -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
