Re: crazy Xrandr/XOrg automatic display configuration.
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 12:33 -0500, Jud Craft wrote: I assumed, via the release notes, that the new Xorg operates in extend-desktop mode by default. However, I'm not sure. When I hook up a running Fedora laptop to a projector, my desktop is extended. Very nice. When I hook up the same projector and then -boot- my Fedora laptop, I am set to mirrored-mode by default at startup. Does anyone else have this? Why are there two different external display behaviors? The latter is probably due to your BIOS... Have you tried plugging the external projector when you're in GRUB and not before cold starting? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: crazy Xrandr/XOrg automatic display configuration.
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 12:33 -0500, Jud Craft wrote: I assumed, via the release notes, that the new Xorg operates in extend-desktop mode by default. However, I'm not sure. When I hook up a running Fedora laptop to a projector, my desktop is extended. Very nice. When I hook up the same projector and then -boot- my Fedora laptop, I am set to mirrored-mode by default at startup. Does anyone else have this? Why are there two different external display behaviors? This is intentional. Plymouth is rendering the same boot animation on all heads; not sure we can do much better. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: crazy Xrandr/XOrg automatic display configuration.
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: This is intentional. Plymouth is rendering the same boot animation on all heads; not sure we can do much better. Oh, I don't mind that at all. That's awesome. I understand that clone mode is excellent for Plymouth. But after Fedora logs in, couldn't GNOME/Xorg set an extended desktop? Since that does seem to be the endorsed behavior. Surely letting Plymouth use clone mode doesn't mean the desktop session can't expand the desktop after login? -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: crazy Xrandr/XOrg automatic display configuration.
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 13:00 -0500, Jud Craft wrote: On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote: This is intentional. Plymouth is rendering the same boot animation on all heads; not sure we can do much better. Oh, I don't mind that at all. That's awesome. I understand that clone mode is excellent for Plymouth. But after Fedora logs in, couldn't GNOME/Xorg set an extended desktop? Since that does seem to be the endorsed behavior. Surely letting Plymouth use clone mode doesn't mean the desktop session can't expand the desktop after login? Oh, I misunderstood. Yeah, it should remember the previous configuration you had with this combination of outputs. This information is stored in ~/.config/monitors.xml. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: crazy Xrandr/XOrg automatic display configuration.
Oh, I misunderstood. Yeah, it should remember the previous configuration you had with this combination of outputs. This information is stored in ~/.config/monitors.xml. Right. I guess what I'm saying is...it doesn't seem to. The very first time I booted my laptop with this (800x600) projector, it defaulted to clone mode in session. I left the room and restarted my laptop. When I returned, plugging the monitor in live resulted in an extended desktop (very cool). I then restarted my laptop and let it boot fresh with the monitor plugged in. The desktop session started in clone mode again. I have a completely-different-in-every-way giant widescreen monitor at home, so I don't think Display Settings is mixing up the external display configurations. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: crazy Xrandr/XOrg automatic display configuration.
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 9:13 AM, Jud Craft craft...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, I misunderstood. Yeah, it should remember the previous configuration you had with this combination of outputs. This information is stored in ~/.config/monitors.xml. Right. I guess what I'm saying is...it doesn't seem to. At this point, wouldn't it be most constructive to reveal what the contents of that file so we all have a baseline expectation as to what should be happening? For example when you get a cloned setup do you see a cloneyes/clone line in that file? And is that ling gone if you get an extended setup? It would be good to see how the monitors.xml file is changing between your cloned versus extended scenarios for that projector hardware. -jef -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: crazy Xrandr/XOrg automatic display configuration.
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 13:13 -0500, Jud Craft wrote: Oh, I misunderstood. Yeah, it should remember the previous configuration you had with this combination of outputs. This information is stored in ~/.config/monitors.xml. Right. I guess what I'm saying is...it doesn't seem to. The very first time I booted my laptop with this (800x600) projector, it defaulted to clone mode in session. I left the room and restarted my laptop. When I returned, plugging the monitor in live resulted in an extended desktop (very cool). I then restarted my laptop and let it boot fresh with the monitor plugged in. The desktop session started in clone mode again. I have a completely-different-in-every-way giant widescreen monitor at home, so I don't think Display Settings is mixing up the external display configurations. Did you read Bastien's suggestion about the BIOS? -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: crazy Xrandr/XOrg automatic display configuration.
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 13:13 -0500, Jud Craft wrote: Oh, I misunderstood. Yeah, it should remember the previous configuration you had with this combination of outputs. This information is stored in ~/.config/monitors.xml. Right. I guess what I'm saying is...it doesn't seem to. The very first time I booted my laptop with this (800x600) projector, it defaulted to clone mode in session. I left the room and restarted my laptop. When I returned, plugging the monitor in live resulted in an extended desktop (very cool). I then restarted my laptop and let it boot fresh with the monitor plugged in. The desktop session started in clone mode again. I have a completely-different-in-every-way giant widescreen monitor at home, so I don't think Display Settings is mixing up the external display configurations. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=572876 might be related. It has some discussion about ~/.config/monitors.xml.backup. I don't have a multi-monitor setup at hand over the long weekend, so I can't investigate further atm. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: crazy Xrandr/XOrg automatic display configuration.
Please pardon my answering everyone in one email. To Adam: I have not used my BIOS. The Intel 965 card on my Toshiba laptop has no BIOS options. I can't even change the default scaling from full-panel to off. It's really sad. The OS has to do everything in this laptop, since the BIOS doesn't have an option. The Windows drivers had a tool that let me set panel-only, but it only worked after I booted into Windows. Linux has no such driver-management tool as far as I know. To Jeff: Thank you for replying. I tried going through my monitors.xml file, and there is not a single lt;clonegt;yeslt;/clonegt; line. Every config (including for the 800x600 projector) sets clone to no. I tried the projector multiple times in multiple boots last night, so I don't think this was a monitors.xml, specifically after using extended mode and rebooting my laptop, and I still got clone mode. To Matthias: thanks for the tip, but I don't have a monitors.xml.backup file. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: crazy Xrandr/XOrg automatic display configuration.
lt;clonegt;yeslt;/clonegt; line. Every config (including for the 800x600 projector) sets clone to no. Sorry for the bad escape code. I meant there are no cloneyes/clone lines at all. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: crazy Xrandr/XOrg automatic display configuration.
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:28 AM, Jud Craft craft...@gmail.com wrote: To Matthias: thanks for the tip, but I don't have a monitors.xml.backup file. From reading the bug... I think if you copy monitors.xml to monitors.xml.backup I think you'll see a difference. From the bug comments it seems monitors.xml isn't being read but if montors.xml.backup exists its always read. Looks like a real upstream bug. -jef -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: crazy Xrandr/XOrg automatic display configuration.
On Wed, 2009-11-25 at 14:28 -0500, Jud Craft wrote: Please pardon my answering everyone in one email. To Adam: I have not used my BIOS. The Intel 965 card on my Toshiba laptop has no BIOS options. I can't even change the default scaling from full-panel to off. It's really sad. so, um, you didn't read it, then. =) he simply suggested connecting the external monitor at grub stage rather than having it plugged in at BIOS stage, to see if that made a difference. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: crazy Xrandr/XOrg automatic display configuration.
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Adam Williamson wrote: so, um, you didn't read it, then. =) he simply suggested connecting the external monitor at grub stage rather than having it plugged in at BIOS stage, to see if that made a difference. Oh, curses! Right, sorry about that. When I go back to school after thanksgiving I'll try this. On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote: From reading the bug... I think if you copy monitors.xml to monitors.xml.backup I think you'll see a difference. From the bug comments it seems monitors.xml isn't being read but if montors.xml.backup exists its always read. Looks like a real upstream bug. I'll try that. But, that upstream bug looks stalled. I guess if this is the problem, it's the end of the line for now. As I can barely use GCC, let alone GDB. -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
