Re: [OpenFontLibrary] Font previewer requirements
2009/2/10 Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mail...@laposte.net: A good static previewer: Ed Trager's upcoming Fontaine ought to be helpful here :-) ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: Asana-Math: close but no cigar
2008/8/13 Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The math script, aka MATH table, is a MS extension to OpenType. MS has not yet officially submitted any documentation for these math layout extensions -- and they are quite extensive -- not even in the draft 1.5/1.6 OpenType spec. Despite this, it is the de-facto OpenType math standard, and support for it has appeared in FOSS projects. These extensions are implemented only in the Cambria Math font (MS), and now in Asana Math (FOSS). AIUI, the MATH table in Cambria is developed specifically for Cambria and will not be a 100% fit for other fonts; this is hy MS hasnt done anything about documenting it properly. Dave ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: Asana-Math: close but no cigar
2008/8/13 Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED]: No, there actualy is some (unofficial?) MS documentation for MATH tables. It has been seen by both George Williams (fontforge) and Apostolos Syropoulos (asana). Sorry; I didnt put enough emphasis on _properly_ :-) On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/8/13 Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED]: MS has not yet officially submitted any documentation for these math layout extensions AIUI, the MATH table in Cambria is developed specifically for Cambria and will not be a 100% fit for other fonts; this is hy MS hasnt done anything about documenting it properly. ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: TeXGyre fonts licensing concern
2008/7/30 Tom spot Callaway [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/7/30 Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Isn't the user bound by most restrictive license in the package, that is pure GPL? Yes, that is true, but: A) The package is then distributable B) The only remaining issue is to sell URW on the font exception, which can be done at any time. Ah yes okay, now I get it, when you said thus, we would not be bottlenecked trying to reach URW you didn't mean we don't have to contact URW to arrive at our destination - we still do - just we aren't bottlenecked from distributing the Gyre fonts. Perhaps the Gyre project could release all the glyphs that are not derived from the original GPL ones as a separate font package with the GUST license? ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: TeX fonts, part one [Was: Re: [Fedora-packaging] Proposed amendment to general packaging guidelines: no bundling of fonts in other packages]
2008/7/25 Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Nicolas Mailhot [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: — We should not hide general-purpose fonts in app-specific directories. TEX should use system fonts directly. XeTeX can do that. TeX probably NEVER will because that violates TDS. If you don't what that means, then don't take on the subject of TeX fonts. I second the idea that TeX ought to be an exception to the guideline not hide general-purpose fonts in app-specific directories; TeX predates all other programs in a GNU/Linux system, and TeX users have hardended expectations about how it works; if Fedora's TeX package fiddles with things, that will be a loss for users. (I'm still not getting Nicolas' emails :-( ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: Are we really going to require fonts to be built from sources by Fedora packagers? [Was: Re: Suffix for Old Standard ?]
2008/7/24 Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED]: non-free tools like FontLab ... free-beer tools like Adobe FDK That a proprietary program is distributed at zero price is not important; that it is proprietary is what matters :-) I think we'll try to bump the fontforge version in fedora-devel to the latest available upstream just before F10 beta. And then rebuild every font depending on it. This way Fedora 10 users will have a recent fontforge in-distro and we'll be sure all our fonts work with it. That's what we did in previous releases. This sounds okay to me, but what about fonts with sources that aren't in SFD? Nicolas, for some strange reason I'm not getting emails from you at all. Nor did I get Gustavo's recent emails, like the 'ivory tower' ones that also don't appear in http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-fonts-list/2008-July/thread.html for some reason..? -- Regards, Dave ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...
2008/7/24 Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Well, in that case Fedora is in trouble already. The gyre OpenType fonts are already shipped by Fedora in a TeXLive package, just not used by pango! TeXLive has been stripping out non-free fonts from other TeX distributions, so perhaps those guys know more than we do. The TeX Gyre homepage at says It aims at remaking and extending of the freely available fonts distributed with Ghostscript. 'Remaking' means they could chose their license, 'extending' means they have use the GPL. All of the Ghostscript text font families have become gyrefied as the result of the project. suggests it is 'extending' though. I'm in Cork, Ireland at TUG2008 right now, so I'll ask around about this at dinner tonight... The Ghostscript fonts are pure GPL too, without the Font Exception - which is very annoying. ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: The goose OpenType eggs holds...
2008/7/24 Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
2008/7/24 Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I suspect that their fonts are based on the visual designs, but not
raw data of the URW fonts, otherwise GUST would be bound by the GPL,
I think the GUST guys have infringed the GPL. Not 100% sure, but I think so :(
Okay, I looked into it and it seems to be true. I couldn't find Hans
Hagen tonight, but will email him if I can't meet him tomorrow...
From http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/tex-gyre/adventor I
downloaded
http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/tex-gyre/adventor/qag1.104bas.zip
which has /doc/fonts/tex-gyre/README-TeX-Gyre-Adventor.txt which says:
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###
The TeX Gyre Collection of Fonts
The font Adventor
###
Font: TeX Gyre Adventor
Design: Herb Lubalin and Tom Carnase
Authors: Bogus\l{}aw Jackowski and Janusz M. Nowacki
Version: 1.104
Date: 29 II 2008
Downloads: http://www.gust.org.pl/projects/e-foundry/tex-gyre/adventor
License:
% Copyright (URW)++, copyright 1999 by (URW)++ Design Development.
% Cyrillic glyphs added by Valek Filippov, copyright 2001-2002.
% Vietnamese characters were added by Han The Thanh.
% Copyright 2007 for TeX Gyre extensions by B. Jackowski and J. M. Nowacki
% (on behalf of TeX Users Groups).
% This work is released under the GUST Font License
% -- see GUST-FONT-LICENSE.txt.
% This work has the LPPL maintenance status maintained.
% The Current Maintainer of this work is Bogus\l{}aw Jackowski
% and Janusz M. Nowacki.
% This work consists of the files listed
% % in the MANIFEST-TeX-Gyre-Adventor.txt file.
...
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This line:
% Copyright (URW)++, copyright 1999 by (URW)++ Design Development
means this project is bankrupt :-(
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Dave
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Re: Had a look at Charis SIL
2008/7/24 Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone know if they have their own production tools? They do, and they depend somewhat on proprietary software (FontLab) but SIL have been slowly publishing them, I think. -- Regards, Dave ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: packager for liberation sans derivative needed (was: Re: Call for OpenType fonts!)
2008/7/22 Gustavo Ferreira [EMAIL PROTECTED]: i plan to release an extended version* of the family (under a different name) in september/october through my foundry. Wow! This is really great news Gustavo! :-) [the fonts were designed in the 'ivory tower' way No problem with that at all :-) i would be happy if these fonts could end up in linux distros. Wonderful! :-) if anyone is interested in testing the fonts on linux and taking care of the packaging, please drop me a line. I've been meaning to get set up for packaging fonts for Debian and Fedora for a while, so hopefully I'll have some experience doing this packaging work by september/october :-) -- Regards, Dave ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: Suffix for Old Standard ?
2008/7/23 Martin-Gomez Pablo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: So we need to add a suffix to the name but I'm not imaginative for finding a good suffix (maybe iced as Nicolas propose), anyone of you have an lightning idea ? Why not use a build of FF from the same time the source files were published? -- Regards, Dave ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: Font autoinstallation meeting
2008/6/6 Behdad Esfahbod [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Lets meet Monday June 9th 17:00 UTC in ##fonts on freenode to discuss font autoinstallation in Fedora. Are the logs posted on the web? :-) -- Regards, Dave I support www.gnuherds.org - democratic free software jobs ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: Updates of liberation-fonts.
2008/5/9 Caius Carlos Chance [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nicolas Mailhot wrote: You're welcome to use this list as long as you want. It's not as if it's high traffic and everyone on it should be interested in Liberation progress anyway. I have emailed to admin of this mailing list server for a new mailing list, but anyways we could still discuss at here if most of us preferred. I don't even sure if they will follow up my request. :) I think the community is so small that having another list would be disruptive. BTW, I have created a channel #liberation-fonts in freenode as the official IRC FYI. I do agree we could share any current IRC channels with debian font packagers and other font projects too. I'm not on IRC much, but I think ##fonts is quiet like this list so no need to split things up. -- Regards, Dave I support www.gnuherds.org - democratic free software jobs ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
Re: Bunch of new Fonts added to wishlist
Hi, I haven't done any Fedora packaging before, but I would be happy to help with this effort. I am involved in the Open Font Library and we have collected a list of free fonts on our wiki, http://openfontlibrary.org/wiki/Existing_Free_Fonts I hope that the OFLB infrastructure will eventually become a central repository that many GNU/Linux distributions can base sets of font packages off in an automated way; many free software fonts are like mgopen in that they are released and development is not continued, and I hope that the OFLB will become a place where further developments are collected. -- Regards, Dave ___ Fedora-fonts-list mailing list Fedora-fonts-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-fonts-list
