Re: Had a look at Charis SIL

2008-07-25 Thread Nicolas Spalinger

Dave Crossland wrote:

2008/7/24 Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Does anyone know if they
have their own production tools?


They do, and they depend somewhat on proprietary software (FontLab)
but SIL have been slowly publishing them, I think.


Yes, the SIL designers and script engineers intend to publish more of 
the various tools used in the font production workflow (but it takes 
time and effort!). For example http://scripts.sil.org/FontUtils


Victor Gaultney may cover this aspect during his talk at the next AtypI 
conference:

http://atypi.org/05_Petersburg/20_main_program/view_presentation_html?presentid=465

Cheers,

--
Nicolas



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Re: Had a look at Charis SIL

2008-07-25 Thread Nicolas Mailhot
On Fri, 2008-07-25 at 11:07 +0200, Nicolas Spalinger wrote:
 Dave Crossland wrote:
  2008/7/24 Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Does anyone know if they
  have their own production tools?
  
  They do, and they depend somewhat on proprietary software (FontLab)
  but SIL have been slowly publishing them, I think.
 
 Yes, the SIL designers and script engineers intend to publish more of 
 the various tools used in the font production workflow (but it takes 
 time and effort!). For example http://scripts.sil.org/FontUtils

BTW can the AL1 licensing problem of Font::TTF be fixed before spot
loses patience with us font people?
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Artistic1Removal

 Victor Gaultney may cover this aspect during his talk at the next AtypI 
 conference:
 http://atypi.org/05_Petersburg/20_main_program/view_presentation_html?presentid=465

Nice pointer, thanks!

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Re: Had a look at Charis SIL

2008-07-25 Thread Vasile Gaburici
It looks like MS disagreed with Adobe on how to standardize the
human-readable form of OpenType features. They have their own
XML-based language, which is used by their VOLT tool. (You can
download VOLT for free, but you have to be a member of their MSN
group.)

What's more interesting (for us) is that SIL has a command line tool,
volt2ttf, that can add OpenType features written in VOLT's XML format
to a TTF file. Sadly, I think that FontForge only groks Adobe's (fea)
feature format, but not not MS VOLT's XML format.

Quote from the SIL web page that Nicolas S. linked:

volt2ttf [-a attach.xml] [-t volt.txt] infile.ttf outfile.ttf
Compiles volt source into OT tables in the font. Think of this as a
3rd party command-line version of MS VOLT.

On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Nicolas Spalinger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dave Crossland wrote:

 2008/7/24 Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Does anyone know if they
 have their own production tools?

 They do, and they depend somewhat on proprietary software (FontLab)
 but SIL have been slowly publishing them, I think.

 Yes, the SIL designers and script engineers intend to publish more of the
 various tools used in the font production workflow (but it takes time and
 effort!). For example http://scripts.sil.org/FontUtils

 Victor Gaultney may cover this aspect during his talk at the next AtypI
 conference:
 http://atypi.org/05_Petersburg/20_main_program/view_presentation_html?presentid=465

 Cheers,

 --
 Nicolas


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Re: Had a look at Charis SIL

2008-07-24 Thread Nicolas Mailhot

Le Jeu 24 juillet 2008 22:52, Vasile Gaburici a écrit :

 It uses *lots* of multiple (ligature-type) substitutions, sprinkled
 with some context-based substitutions, and some single substitutions
 in multiple ccmp tables (some tables are class-based, some glyph
 based). It's unlike any of the simple stuff that Adobe or other fonts
 do. I wonder how they maintain all that... Does anyone know if they
 have their own production tools?

You should visit SIL's site (or read the bit of our wiki that talks
about foundries). Those guys are serious about i18n and they use all
the tricks in the book to manage it. They even have their own smart
font tech, graphite. Adobe really does not play in the same space.

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Re: Had a look at Charis SIL

2008-07-24 Thread Dave Crossland
2008/7/24 Vasile Gaburici [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Does anyone know if they
 have their own production tools?

They do, and they depend somewhat on proprietary software (FontLab)
but SIL have been slowly publishing them, I think.

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Regards,
Dave

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