Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Wiki page : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine_proposal

2009-09-09 Thread Paul
Hi,

 I'm quite looking forward to seeing the revised proposal tomorrow from
 LPM :-)

Has LPM come back to us yet?

TTFN

Paul

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Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Wiki page : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine_proposal

2009-09-04 Thread Paul
Hi,

  I've not edited the page as I'd like the fedora-legal people's
  perspective on this.
 
 Hmm, ok. Here's my thoughts:
 
 * Some of the content will be written/created by LPM (possibly all of
 the content). Accordingly, I don't think we get much say in how they use
 it, aside from the normal trademark usage considerations.

I'd have thought that we (Fedora people) would be in a better position
to write about F12 than LPM. As it is advertising Fedora, I think Fedora
should have more say in what is done with it.

 * For anything that Fedora owns, we should be sure it is available under
 acceptable licensing terms, but for things like screenshots, I doubt
 there is much concern, as that sort of thing is rather ubiquitous.

You'd think that - I know some companies hate screenshots being taken
and frequently mock up rather than show production...

 * I think ultimately, if Fedora contributors end up authoring content
 for this magazine, they should do so under licensing terms that they are
 comfortable with, but I don't think it is necessary to mandate it.

Here I'd disagree. While for software, folks are happy for anyone to use
it as they like. However, for written work, people become protective. It
is better have something which says by contributing this piece, you are
giving Fedora to publish once and republish once by any means. That way
the author knows exactly what terms they are contributing by.

I know it's not ideal, but this is publishing and to paraphrase and old
(and long gone) editor friend, you live and die by the words you use.

TTFN

Paul


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Re: [Fedora-legal-list] Wiki page : https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_print_magazine_proposal

2009-09-04 Thread Tom spot Callaway
On 09/04/2009 02:51 PM, Paul wrote:
 Here I'd disagree. While for software, folks are happy for anyone to use
 it as they like. However, for written work, people become protective. It
 is better have something which says by contributing this piece, you are
 giving Fedora to publish once and republish once by any means. That way
 the author knows exactly what terms they are contributing by.

I'm torn here. I want to believe that protective authors will be
intelligent enough to set licensing terms for their copyrighted works.
Also, I don't want to say these are the terms under which you give us
these works, because then those protective people just complain and
moan about how they're either too restrictive or too permissive.

My instinct is to say that the contributing authors have to tell us the
license under which we can use their contributions.

Alternately, we could use unlicensed contributions of articles under the
CLA, which allows us an extremely permissive license.

Also, I'm not sure that LPM will be okay with using material under
CC-BY-SA, for example (which is Free). If I had to guess, I'd say they
would want something with the Non Commercial restriction (and a specific
exclusion for them).

But lets keep in mind that as far as I know, it is not clear where the
content for this magazine will come from. Mel, maybe you can shed some
light here?

~spot

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