[Bug 474980] Review Request: ovm - Open Verification Methodology : IEEE 1800 SystemVerilog standard

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 Status|ASSIGNED|CLOSED
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--- Comment #24 from Chitlesh GOORAH cgoo...@yahoo.com.au  2009-01-31 
20:18:58 EDT ---
I'm closing this bug:
Reason : No simulator currently available under fedora

If the situation changes, I will still be interested to push OVM into fedora
repositories.

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[Bug 474980] Review Request: ovm - Open Verification Methodology : IEEE 1800 SystemVerilog standard

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--- Comment #21 from Frank Ch. Eigler f...@redhat.com  2009-01-30 14:10:34 
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Re. comment #19,
 As sysadmin I would definitely have preferred to do
 yum install ovm.el4 instead of tar xzf ovm-2.0.tar.gz

Until that time, you could make a local yum repo and publish the RPM there.

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--- Comment #22 from Jon Stanley jonstan...@gmail.com  2009-01-30 14:56:10 
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FESCo has voted to continue to block this content, on the basis that it does
not enhance the OS user experience.  Imagine this:

I'm Joe User, who wants to use ovm.  I type 'yum install ovm iverilog' and
expect to be able to do whatever ovm does (and I'll have to admit ignorance as
to exactly what this is - I'm not a hardware guy). I find that I can't do that,
and instead have to buy some expensive proprietary tool in order to make use of
this free content.

We're fine with the concept of ovm being in Fedora, but we also want something
that is able to use this content, even if it's at a very primitive level that
no one actually *would* use it in a production environment. The link that
Chitlesh posted earlier to upstream iverilog forums seemed to indicate that
they had other priorities other than making this work.

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--- Comment #23 from Chitlesh GOORAH cgoo...@yahoo.com.au  2009-01-30 
16:25:06 EDT ---
(In reply to comment #20)
 not having iverilog in means that ovm is only available to a subset of people
 who have access to the closed proprietary tools.  We want you to get this in, 
 all we are asking is to provide a way for everyone to use the content.  even 
 if
 for now its limited in functionality.

iverilog is under the fedora umbrella since one or two years. perl-Verilog has
incorporated early perl support of SystemVerilog
http://www.veripool.org/search/index/verilog-perl?q=systemverilog

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[Bug 474980] Review Request: ovm - Open Verification Methodology : IEEE 1800 SystemVerilog standard

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--- Comment #18 from Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us  2009-01-29 20:50:24 EDT 
---
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#Code_Vs_Content

If the content enhances the OS user experience, then the content is OK to be
packaged in Fedora.  that is why we said that we would like to have iverilog 
or some other tool for using the content in at the same time.  understanding
that the tools still have a way to go and are far from feature complete.

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[Bug 474980] Review Request: ovm - Open Verification Methodology : IEEE 1800 SystemVerilog standard

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--- Comment #19 from manuel wolfshant wo...@nobugconsulting.ro  2009-01-29 
21:12:50 EDT ---
I see no relation between If the content enhances the OS user experience, then
the content is OK to be packaged in Fedora and the user experience must be
provided only by free tools.
Would iverilog be nice to have? Definitely yes. Should its presence at the same
time with OVM be mandatory ? Absolutely not. Users might be using EDA software
from other sources. Actually I bet that 99% percent of them are using
commercial tools and I also bet that in an enterprise environment they always
will.

small rant on
In the company I work for we use several commercial EDA tools. Since July 2008
the number of engineers interacting with OVM increased from 2 to 25 and their
number will increase in the future [, depending on the projects that end / new
projects that start]. How would not the presence of OVM in a repository enhance
these users' experience ? As sysadmin I would definitely have preferred to do
yum install ovm.el4 instead of tar xzf ovm-2.0.tar.gz

For what it's worth and completely unrelated, we have a very small team of
courageous people who use gtkwave from EPEL when the number of licenses for the
commercial tool is insufficient.
rant off

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--- Comment #20 from Dennis Gilmore den...@ausil.us  2009-01-29 23:36:11 EDT 
---
the user experience must be provided only by free tools.  goes with
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Overview Fedora is all about freedom and rapid
innovation.  it goes against fedoras goals of  Fedora will always be free for
anybody, anywhere, to use, modify and distribute.

not having iverilog in means that ovm is only available to a subset of people
who have access to the closed proprietary tools.  We want you to get this in, 
all we are asking is to provide a way for everyone to use the content.  even if
for now its limited in functionality.

Our intention is not at all to keep this out.

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[Bug 474980] Review Request: ovm - Open Verification Methodology : IEEE 1800 SystemVerilog standard

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--- Comment #16 from Kevin Fenzi ke...@tummy.com  2009-01-28 19:30:41 EDT ---
Well, you are welcome to bring it up again to FESCo, but the decision made last
time was that something that could at least potentially use the content should
be added at the same time as this content package.

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--- Comment #17 from manuel wolfshant wo...@nobugconsulting.ro  2009-01-28 
19:54:40 EDT ---
Unfortunately I cannot attend FESCo's IRC meetings due to overlapping with
personal matters, but I must stand on Chitlesh's side here (ref #14 )) and
support him.

I for one would have loved to use a rpm for OVM at the time that I deployed the
software in the company I work for (see #3). And no, except for a few minor
tools, the game around real EDA has no open-source players, all big boys use
products from one of the three major players in the market. Stalling even the
few available open source packages because in this moment there is no free tool
to use them is just an administrative block and with no support in any of the
guidelines I know of.

Note that this is the exact opposite case of games with free engines but
encumbered game data (which was downloaded at install time from links outside
our repos): this time we have free content but no free engine to use it with.
Pushing the content _might_ speed up the engine and harm no one; on the
contrary we would once again be the leader of the movement. No content at all
will definitely not help anyone.  It's like saying Look, we have free oranges
! Take as many as you want ! but you reply No, I will not eat your oranges
unless someone provides a free knife for peeling them, too ! Or in a geeky
speak, Here, have some free beer ! No, thank you, I cannot accept it, I have
no free bottle opener!


And for what it's worth: 10 days ago I had the opportunity to attend a meeting
with a manager working for one of the top 3 EDA tools manufacturers mentioned
above. It just happened that his next meeting scheduled during that week was
with the other players of the OVM game, in view of releasing OVM 2.1. In other
words, there is a real incentive over this project.

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[Bug 474980] Review Request: ovm - Open Verification Methodology : IEEE 1800 SystemVerilog standard

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--- Comment #11 from Kevin Fenzi ke...@tummy.com  2009-01-23 18:35:18 EDT ---
Given that fesco wanted tools at the same time, would you like to hold off on
cvs until one of those is ready also?

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--- Comment #12 from Chitlesh GOORAH cgoo...@yahoo.com.au  2009-01-23 
18:59:52 EDT ---
well, it won't happen before 6 months.
the intention of pushing it into fedora was to encourage EDA developers develop
tools around it.

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--- Comment #13 from Jon Stanley jonstan...@gmail.com  2009-01-23 19:41:58 
EDT ---
Right, the intent was to get iverilog (there's some code I can download from
their webpage) into Fedora, realizing that it might not be usable with this
particular content for 6 months.

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--- Comment #14 from Chitlesh GOORAH cgoo...@yahoo.com.au  2009-01-23 
20:58:42 EDT ---
Yes, this is the current status.

--- Forget software for a moment :

For any hardware designer, the basic design methodology is  :

  design - home made customized scripts - EDA tools
  this combination gives
  =   developing hardware  
(with at least 12 different EDA tools to sign off a project)

This somehow differs from the popular software methodology: code, compile and
run.

The questions you might be asking are :
- why complain when companies have opensourced their libraries ? (forget the
opensource community, the later will _never_ give you such verification
methodology before the next 20 years, because it costs millions of euros to
develop it) 
- can these libraries(text files) be incorporated directly into the user's HDL
design?

You may have heard open hardware and opensource community are proud of it.

If you look closer (opensparcT2 for example) at the code, this open hardware
was designed under proprietary eda tools, same applies to opencores designs.

I believe building an opensource design and simulation platform -FEL-
(providing software), with inclusion of ovm and vmm, will encourage digital
designers extend their open hardware desire to design open hardware with
open source software.

This is a problem and a lack in the current opensource software and hardware
communities. The only way to solve it is someone has to step in first and take
the lead. 

With our FEL we have already taken this leadership to promote open source
_content_ and ovm is an open source _content_.

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--- Comment #15 from Chitlesh GOORAH cgoo...@yahoo.com.au  2009-01-23 
21:08:57 EDT ---
Maybe from mailing posts with respect to OVM :
http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=iverilog-devel
will clarify any of your doubts.

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[Bug 474980] Review Request: ovm - Open Verification Methodology : IEEE 1800 SystemVerilog standard

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--- Comment #9 from Thibault North thibault.no...@gmail.com  2009-01-22 
14:18:19 EDT ---
Review completed:

* Naming is okay,
* Licencing is ok,
* Paths are ok,
* Chmods are ok,
* Install scripts are ok.

rpmlint doesn't find errors or warnings.

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[Bug 474980] Review Request: ovm - Open Verification Methodology : IEEE 1800 SystemVerilog standard

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--- Comment #10 from Chitlesh GOORAH cgoo...@yahoo.com.au  2009-01-22 
17:06:25 EDT ---
Package Change Request
===
Package Name: ovm
Short Description: Open Verification Methodology : IEEE 1800 SystemVerilog
standard
Owners: chitlesh
Branches: F-9 F-10 EL-5

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--- Comment #7 from Jon Stanley jonstan...@gmail.com  2009-01-17 15:49:51 EDT 
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FESCo believes that this is of value. However, we'd like to see iverilog or
other similar tools for dealing with this content in at the same time,
realizing that those tools might not be useful right now, however.

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--- Comment #4 from Tom spot Callaway tcall...@redhat.com  2009-01-12 
17:39:43 EDT ---
So, just to be clear... this is content that is only useful with proprietary
applications, right?

There is no relevant guideline to match this. Our emulator policy is the
inverse (you can include the FOSS emulator, if there are FOSS ROMS). I think
this needs to go to FESCo for review
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging/Guidelines#Code_Vs_Content):

All content is subject to review by FESCo, who has the final say on whether or
not it can be included.

I'll put this on FESCo's radar. For what it is worth, I support including this
FOSS licensed content, as it enhances the OS user experience has an open
source compatible license, and is not legally questionable, the main three
barriers for content inclusion.

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--- Comment #5 from Jon Stanley jonstan...@gmail.com  2009-01-12 17:48:30 EDT 
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Will be discussed in the next FESCo meeting (1/16 - noon EST, 17:00UTC)

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--- Comment #6 from Chitlesh GOORAH cgoo...@yahoo.com.au  2009-01-12 18:10:32 
EDT ---
Thanks,
I just want to remind FESCo, that ovm is used in high end commercial simulators
and its apache 2.0 license and its inclusion in fedora will help in the
creation of tools around ovm by the community. Other opensource upstream
projects can update their simulators accordingly. Someone has to make the first
step.

Currently there are some tools (in alpha version) which are available online,
however too early for normal usage.

If ovm is approved by fedora, I'll also bring in vvm which is in the exact
situation as ovm.

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--- Comment #3 from manuel wolfshant wo...@nobugconsulting.ro  2009-01-05 
05:45:48 EDT ---
I just happened to have the tar.gz downloaded (and in use since Sept..) so I
guess a quick review cannot hurt. So:

fast forward review for release 1.fc11:
* RPM name is OK
* This is the latest version
* sha1sum is OK
/mnt/arhive/2/EDA/mentor/OWM/ovm-2.0.tar.gz
db292f605d77b14d09ddb0f461942493be18d148 
ovm-2.0.tar.gz from spec: db292f605d77b14d09ddb0f461942493be18d148
* Builds fine in mock
* rpmlint looks OK
* File list looks OK
* works OK (in use since Sept, as I have said) at least with Questa

From my point of view, it's OK. Eventually it could go to RPMFusion if legal
says no go here.

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--- Comment #2 from Chitlesh GOORAH cgoo...@yahoo.com.au  2008-12-12 13:24:51 
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Including into fedora will help upstream of iverilog  and verilog to support
ovm in their future releases.

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[Bug 474980] Review Request: ovm - Open Verification Methodology : IEEE 1800 SystemVerilog standard

2008-12-06 Thread bugzilla
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Chitlesh GOORAH [EMAIL PROTECTED] changed:

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--- Comment #1 from Chitlesh GOORAH [EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-12-06 05:50:28 
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Current, ovm can only be used with proprietary software. I am still searching a
way to find an opensource systemverilog simulator that supports ovm.

One short note:
Cadence and Mentor Graphics, the whole EDA leaders have developed and released
this ovm under the apache 2 license.

http://edageek.com/2008/12/04/systemverilog-synopsys/
http://edageek.com/2008/12/04/vmm-ovm-verification/
http://www.cadence.com/Community/blogs/fv/archive/2008/12/04/vmm-users-welcome-to-the-ovm.aspx

So, my only concern is whether fedora allows its inclusion or not.

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[Bug 474980] Review Request: ovm - Open Verification Methodology : IEEE 1800 SystemVerilog standard

2008-12-06 Thread bugzilla
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