Fwd: Felv+ Needing Home- Central Texas
In a message dated 12/14/05 9:30:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Subject: Beautiful smoke colored FeLV mother cat desperately needs a homePlease help us find a home for Ravenhttp://www.swcp.com/~bmac/RavenKittens/images/raven_1.jpghttp://www.swcp.com/~bmac/RavenKittens/images/raven_2.jpg2 years old, short haired, smoke colored, FeLV+ catRaven is a loving cat who craves attention! And, she really likesbeing held. Her only complaints are when she needs more food orattention. One of her favorite spots is our bed. She gets along wellwith our other cats, and she doesn't mind our overly friendly small dog.Raven was a very friendly stray that we wanted to help find a home. The problem is that she's FeLV positive. We've had to keep her lockedin a room alone, and the lack of attention and interaction is verydifficult for her. A home with other FeLV cats or no cats would beperfect for her! (She's spayed and is current on her shots.)Contact:William McCabe979-777-9815[EMAIL PROTECTED]Raven's Story:--My wife and I took in a family of strays (mother cat and her 4kittens). We hoped to help find them all homes, before our landlordfound out. At their first checkup, that became a very hard task- theyall turned up FeLV positive. We have been able (with the help of some rescue groups in Austin) tofind a foster home for 2 of the 4 kittens. And we are still workingon the others. The mother, Raven, has been another story. We hoped to find a homelooking for a FeLV companion kitty, or someone without other cats whoneeded a loving little friend. However, we have had zero luck findingher a home. Raven is a beautiful smoke colored cat. The vet indicated that shewas probably around 2 years old. Although we found her outside, sheis not a "wild" kitty by any sort. When she first came to our houseshe wanted attention, and did not mind being picked up. Now, Raven spends most of the day in our bathroom, because we have noother "separate" space for her. When we can we take her into ourbedroom, where she loves to spread out on the bed. She gets alongwell with our friendly pug. And she carries on friendlyconversations (through the door) with our other cats.Raven craves "people" attention, and she really needs more space tostretch out and be a cat.We HAVE to find her a home where she will get the love she deserves. Beyond her needs, there is a personal issue involved as well. We rentour place. Our landlord usually checks on his houses in early to midJanuary, and there is no place to hide the cats in or around our 2bdrmapartment. Our neighbors have already begun to ask about the increasein "cat sounds" from our place. We live in central Texas, and would love for Raven and her kittens tostay near by. We would love to follow up on them as they grow. However, their safety and health is priority, so if they need to moveout of state, my wife and I are willing to help with the relocation(including driving, if needed).Please contact me if you can help give this wonderful cat a home likeshe deserves.Thank you!!Contact:William McCabe979-777-9815[EMAIL PROTECTED]To unsubscribe, send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---BeginMessage--- Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- FONT COLOR=#99Cats are carnivores, their bodies work best with high levels of protein Pro Plan is now the highest protein dry cat food /FONTA HREF=http://us.click.yahoo.com/C15zgA/oPuKAA/l5aWAA/561wlB/TM;BClick Here!/B/A ~- There is 1 message in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. Beautiful smoke colored FeLV mother cat desperately needs a home From: william mcCabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2005 06:20:21 - From: william mcCabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Beautiful smoke colored FeLV mother cat desperately needs a home Please help us find a home for Raven http://www.swcp.com/~bmac/RavenKittens/images/raven_1.jpg http://www.swcp.com/~bmac/RavenKittens/images/raven_2.jpg 2 years old, short haired, smoke colored, FeLV+ cat Raven is a loving cat who craves attention! And, she really likes being held. Her only complaints are when she needs more food or attention. One of her favorite spots is our bed. She gets along well with our other cats, and she doesn't mind our overly friendly small dog. Raven was a very friendly stray that we wanted to help find a home. The problem is
Question about Brooklyn.
Hi. I know that you said that fasting Brooklyn made his stools solid for the first time. Did that last after you started feeding him again? And how long had he had loose stools before that, and how loose? I am still struggling with Lucy's diarrhea. I am considering fasting her and was just wondering about this. Thanks, Michelle
Re: Chrissy/Prissy on the bridge list
Gloria, First my condolences on losing Chrissy this way! It's so frustrating when people think they are doing the right thing, but don't bother contacting someone who they should know would be able to give them advice. I think you may be right, this had more to do with the adopter's emotional state than poor Chrissy's state of health. Shame on that vet for not encouraging her more vigorously to treat Chrissy, and shame on her for not contacting you. I've had adopters, that I thought were good homes do some horrendous things too, (One poor kitty has been declawed, it haunts me to this day). I can only imagine how upsetting this is to you. We try to do the best we can when placing them. It seems like no matter how hard we try, there are always going to be those that say one thing and do another. This is why I'm good at rescue and rehabilitation, and lousy at adoption. It's hard to have faith when there are so many people that don't react the way we expect, or would hope them to. I feel like hitting somebody, at the same time, I still feel sorry for the woman. If she were in front of me, I'm sure I could manage to feel sorry for her and hit her at the same time. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, the owner indicated that it was her choice because she herself has had kidney stones and knows how much they hurt. She was new to that vet, as she just moved (like 10 miles from her former place). From what she said, she was just adamant about it, thinking she was doing the right thing. I mentioned to her that bladder stones were different than kidney stones, but she just said she didn't want her to hurt. I think she was trying to do the right thing, without listening to others. She's just getting over her mothers death, and seems to be depressed. I think it was a bad decision for good hearted reasons. Sigh again. Gloria
RE:OT:can you help research for my hearing??
2004 2005 cats dogs cats dogs strays 6973 10281 7929 10419 owner surrenders 3741 4932 3474 5338 euthanized 7746 7425 8116 7526 adopted 2342 5258 2503 5040 reclaimed 267 2458 368 2652 Hi, the above is the stats information from Alb animal care center I requested from them --- what I am trying to do is to describe the condition of animal population in general compared to other cities in US (I know from what I heard, ALB is one of the worst cities (or NM as a state) for overpopulation problem. If you can get any stats information from your city or any other cities on line, please forward it to me, I would like to use as a comparative data thank you so very much!
RE: Hideyo's court case 19th??
Thank you, I did! Thank you very much for writing for me I appreciate it very much, Kerry! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kerry MacKenzie Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Hideyo's court case 19th?? Hideyo--I just sent my testimonial to you directly along with an email. Please read the email too. Let me know you receive/can open attachment ok. love and hugs, Kerry - Original Message - From: Hideyo Yamamoto To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: RE: Hideyo's court case 19th?? - to Michelle Michelle - If I ever forget to tell you, I wanted to you know how grateful I am of your insight on this. And I will tell all my furry children how much you are helping me and saving their lives!! Yes, everything you say totally makes sense. I wish I had something physical to proof that they had given me the permit --- I think I can reasonably reason it in such a way that someone reported me in 2004 having multiple cats and the officer came by to investigate --- and he did not put any record in my file that he gave me the permit after the investigation,, but also there was no other follow up in the file at all, which may make it reasonable to believe what I am saying --- though the officer who gave me the permit lied to Denise (director of ASD) that I only had 8 cats in April of 2004 and he only gave me the permit of 8 (I had 18 then, and I have 20 now) --- so, I am not sure how I am going to prove that he is also lying to cover his butt I gave all the paper work to him, but he did not keep anything in the file.. I dont know, Michelle if I mentioned to you about another lady who had 120 cats in her property in Alb, in 2004, they gave her a sanctuary status to her. She was very much in a similar situation as I was (lives in a residential zone) --- but she really did not want me to bring her case up as she wants to protect her cats which I respect totally in case the city finds out and may try to take her status away, too. When I mentioned this case briefly, she thought the sanctuary status was also given to incorrectly. But I did not want to give Denise this ladys information is there anything I can do from this information?? I will bring all the points up as you mentioned, and thats what Greg suggested, too --- so that if I appeal, I can make sure that I can use all the arguments I need Hope this helps. Again, I am far from an expert on this, so take my suggestions as merely that. Michelle In a message dated 12/13/2005 2:36:22 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: what do you think?
Re: OT:can you help research for my hearing??
Hideyo, call Best Friends in Utah. I bet they have a lot of information about various cities, as they work on this issue. I know that Phoenix has a low rate of euthanasia so you may want to call them. Michelle In a message dated 12/14/2005 3:52:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2004 2005 cats dogs cats dogs strays 6973 10281 7929 10419 owner surrenders 3741 4932 3474 5338 euthanized 7746 7425 8116 7526 adopted 2342 5258 2503 5040 reclaimed 267 2458 368 2652 Hi, the above is the stats information from Alb animal care center I requested from them --- what I am trying to do is to describe the condition of animal population in general compared to other cities in US (I know from what I heard, ALB is one of the worst cities (or NM as a state) for overpopulation problem. If you can get any stats information from your city or any other cities on line, please forward it to me, I would like to use as a comparative data – thank you so very much!
RE: OT:can you help research for my hearing??
Thank you, Michelle. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 2:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: OT:can you help research for my hearing?? Hideyo, call Best Friends in Utah. I bet they have a lot of information about various cities, as they work on this issue. I know that Phoenix has a low rate of euthanasia so you may want to call them. Michelle In a message dated 12/14/2005 3:52:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 2004 2005 cats dogs cats dogs strays 6973 10281 7929 10419 owner surrenders 3741 4932 3474 5338 euthanized 7746 7425 8116 7526 adopted 2342 5258 2503 5040 reclaimed 267 2458 368 2652 Hi, the above is the stats information from Alb animal care center I requested from them --- what I am trying to do is to describe the condition of animal population in general compared to other cities in US (I know from what I heard, ALB is one of the worst cities (or NM as a state) for overpopulation problem. If you can get any stats information from your city or any other cities on line, please forward it to me, I would like to use as a comparative data thank you so very much!
Re: Chrissy/Prissy on the bridge list
Absolutely - everything that you said - you expressed it so well. So frustrating, and hard to evaluate the adopting woman's emotional state. And I end up with such a duality of feelings. She mentioned something about wanting to consider another kitty. I'm just going to ignore her and not call her back, although I've thought about calling / writing the vet. Gloria At 01:31 PM 12/14/2005, you wrote: Gloria, First my condolences on losing Chrissy this way! It's so frustrating when people think they are doing the right thing, but don't bother contacting someone who they should know would be able to give them advice. I think you may be right, this had more to do with the adopter's emotional state than poor Chrissy's state of health. Shame on that vet for not encouraging her more vigorously to treat Chrissy, and shame on her for not contacting you. I've had adopters, that I thought were good homes do some horrendous things too, (One poor kitty has been declawed, it haunts me to this day). I can only imagine how upsetting this is to you. We try to do the best we can when placing them. It seems like no matter how hard we try, there are always going to be those that say one thing and do another. This is why I'm good at rescue and rehabilitation, and lousy at adoption. It's hard to have faith when there are so many people that don't react the way we expect, or would hope them to. I feel like hitting somebody, at the same time, I still feel sorry for the woman. If she were in front of me, I'm sure I could manage to feel sorry for her and hit her at the same time. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, the owner indicated that it was her choice because she herself has had kidney stones and knows how much they hurt. She was new to that vet, as she just moved (like 10 miles from her former place). From what she said, she was just adamant about it, thinking she was doing the right thing. I mentioned to her that bladder stones were different than kidney stones, but she just said she didn't want her to hurt. I think she was trying to do the right thing, without listening to others. She's just getting over her mothers death, and seems to be depressed. I think it was a bad decision for good hearted reasons. Sigh again. Gloria
Re: Chrissy/Prissy on the bridge list
I don't know, I think I might talk to her about not being ready to take on the emotional hazards that come with the responsibility of holding another life in her hands. (I don't know if I'd put it that way!). She may just go get another kitty somewhere else. It sounds like she's in such pain that she can't bear to see anything/anyone suffer. Unfortunately that comes with life. She doesn't seem to have what it takes right now to suffer through the bad stuff to get to the good stuff. I'd certainly call, or write that vet to let him know there was someone out there that would have taken responsibility for Chrissy. Maybe he'll think about it next time someone wants to have an animal pts prematurely. Was Chrissy microchipped? You could suggest that he checks for a microchip before euthanizing anyone else. N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely - everything that you said - you expressed it so well. So frustrating, and hard to evaluate the adopting woman's emotional state. And I end up with such a duality of feelings. She mentioned something about wanting to consider another kitty. I'm just going to ignore her and not call her back, although I've thought about calling / writing the vet. Gloria
Re: Chrissy/Prissy on the bridge list
I've been seriously thinking about getting microchips. Don't think anyone else in our rescue group is that interested, but maybe I'll bring the subject up again. Those are all good points - I may do that. The vet is maybe 15 miles away, and may not be aware of our cat rescue, so I do want to make him aware of that too, and our policies and our contract with our adopters (we always take our cats back if needed). Gloria At 05:50 PM 12/14/2005, you wrote: I don't know, I think I might talk to her about not being ready to take on the emotional hazards that come with the responsibility of holding another life in her hands. (I don't know if I'd put it that way!). She may just go get another kitty somewhere else. It sounds like she's in such pain that she can't bear to see anything/anyone suffer. Unfortunately that comes with life. She doesn't seem to have what it takes right now to suffer through the bad stuff to get to the good stuff. I'd certainly call, or write that vet to let him know there was someone out there that would have taken responsibility for Chrissy. Maybe he'll think about it next time someone wants to have an animal pts prematurely. Was Chrissy microchipped? You could suggest that he checks for a microchip before euthanizing anyone else. N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely - everything that you said - you expressed it so well. So frustrating, and hard to evaluate the adopting woman's emotional state. And I end up with such a duality of feelings. She mentioned something about wanting to consider another kitty. I'm just going to ignore her and not call her back, although I've thought about calling / writing the vet. Gloria
Re: Chrissy/Prissy on the bridge list
Maybe Chrissy has saved more than one life with the sacrifice of her own. :( N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been seriously thinking about getting microchips. Don't think anyone else in our rescue group is that interested, but maybe I'll bring the subject up again. Those are all good points - I may do that. The vet is maybe 15 miles away, and may not be aware of our cat rescue, so I do want to make him aware of that too, and our policies and our contract with our adopters (we always take our cats back if needed). Gloria At 05:50 PM 12/14/2005, you wrote: I don't know, I think I might talk to her about not being ready to take on the emotional hazards that come with the responsibility of holding another life in her hands. (I don't know if I'd put it that way!). She may just go get another kitty somewhere else. It sounds like she's in such pain that she can't bear to see anything/anyone suffer. Unfortunately that comes with life. She doesn't seem to have what it takes right now to suffer through the bad stuff to get to the good stuff. I'd certainly call, or write that vet to let him know there was someone out there that would have taken responsibility for Chrissy. Maybe he'll think about it next time someone wants to have an animal pts prematurely. Was Chrissy microchipped? You could suggest that he checks for a microchip before euthanizing anyone else. N [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Absolutely - everything that you said - you expressed it so well. So frustrating, and hard to evaluate the adopting woman's emotional state. And I end up with such a duality of feelings. She mentioned something about wanting to consider another kitty. I'm just going to ignore her and not call her back, although I've thought about calling / writing the vet. Gloria
Chinese cat/dog fur-shopping for our pets?- depression-bridge list addition
You know, I LIVE at Walmart. I have thought and thought of boycotting them, even before this. But I went to petsmart today to buy litter and I HATE giving them my business as well when they are selling all of the poor exotic birds being teased by children running around and screaming at them. Thereptiles etc.Where in the h*ll can you shop with a conscience any more? It's all very depressing.And speaking of depressingYesterday about a quarter of a mile from my school I saw a cat writhing in pain and bleeding in the middle of the road with cars just driving around it! It had obviously just been hit or it would have already been hit again.I stopped traffic (because I'm sure if I had pulled over people would have just driven around me and run over the cat again) and got out of the car and ran to the cat. It was crying and I was afraid really to pick it up that I might be bitten. But I didn't have much of a choice, so I picked up the cat and carried it to the other side of the road and laid it in the grass. It went limp, and I thought it was dead.It was bleeding horribly from its mouth and head. I "knew" it wasn't going to make it until I could get it to a vet, but I felt his heart beating steadily and he was still breathing... So I picked him up and fought the traffic back across the street.I mean with the bleeding cat in my arms--trying to cross the street--- people didn't want to stop and let me cross! I had to basically force people to let me back into traffic when I got in the car to leave(they were all going around my car by nowagain). I put on my flashers, I blew my horn. People would not let me pass, and it took forever to go about 2 miles to the nearest vet. I got the cat to the nearest vet who was luckily open. He's someone I know, luckily. I told them to please get the doctor to euthanize the cat. I couldn't believe he was still alive! It was just terrible.Well, the doctor came in and started checking him and said he thought he could help him. He said he had bitten his tongue and that was what had caused all of the blood. He was in shock, had a concussion. But the doctor said his heart and lungs sounded ok and he would see what he could do.I left the cat there and went to work. I wanted to go home after all of that, and had a bad cold and didn't feel well anyway. But there were no subs so I was told to stay. I called back later and the doctor had put pins inthe cat'stop and bottom jaws which were both broken. He had a ruptured ear drum and concussion. He had inserted a feeding tube, but said he was hanging in there. He felt if he could get him stabilized with the feeding tube he could save him. (All without charging me! He's a nice guy. That's the ONE good thing from this story.) He said things were looking good so far and they were taking good care of him.Anyway, today I called and they said the cat (they had named him "Jaws". ha.) had died last night around 8:00.He was a gray tabby with a few brown markings and white feet. Very handsome. Now I feel guilty because I didn't stop after work and visit the cat again yesterday because I felt sick and just wanted to go home. A lot of my co-workers did say 'how awful' or they were sorry, or whatever, but they were just appalled that I decided I didn't want to go to the Christmas party after school. Iam just so MAD about the whole thing. I don't know what kind of world we live in that people treat animals so horribly and people are so uncaring. I don't see how anyone who is the least bit aware of the suffering doesn't suffer from depression like I do. I feel like many people on this list understand me better than my friends and family. How DO you deal with the daily emails of animals being gassed in overcrowded shelters, people dumping their pets, people abusing animals. It is just so sad and depressing to me all the time. I can't just 'turn it off' and go 'be happy' and 'not think about it'.I feel like "It's Christmas time and I hate the world." Merry Christmas...Maybe this shouldn't beon the list, but I would really like to know if others have a hard time handling or balancing youranimals and any semblance of a 'normal, happy' life?? I guess it sounds like a 'martyr complex'. I don't know. It just seems like so very few people care about anyone or anything other than themselves.tonyaBONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE CROSS POSTForwarded Message:Subj: LETTER - China's Dog/Cat Fur Markets Date: 12/10/2005 8:35:57 PM Eastern Standard TimeFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent from the Internet (Details)
Re: Chinese cat/dog fur-shopping for our pets?- depression-bridge list addition
catatonya wrote: Maybe this shouldn't be on the list, but I would really like to know if others have a hard time handling or balancing your animals and any semblance of a 'normal, happy' life?? I guess it sounds like a 'martyr complex'. I don't know. It just seems like so very few people care about anyone or anything other than themselves. Tonya... My animals that I have are my happy normal life. I've got four rescues, three equine and one kitty. I've got a happy, healthy group of ferals that moved in the barn where I board. Even though it's depressing to realize the grand scheme of things I'm doing the best I can by the animals I'm in contact with. One of the reasons I'm still single is I'd quite honestly rather be with my animals as another person. If I ever find someone he'd best be an animal person, because I've seen that it won't work without that! :P No, other people don't care about others or their animals. Even though it hurts to care, and people thing I'm rather odd, I can't imagine being one of those selfish SOBs that don't care about other people or animals. I talk nicer to my car than they do to their families! Steph
Re: Chinese cat/dog fur-shopping for our pets?- depression-bridge listaddition
Geez, Tonya -- how awful. Living in Jersey where I do, I see lots of animals on the side of the road: cats and deer mostly. But occasionally there are dogs, geese, and other rodents (possum, raccoons, etc.). I makes me sick the way people just plow into these poor creatures without a thought to stop and move it out of the road. Jaws will be waiting for you at the Bridge. Poor baby. Hugs to you. Goodnight, sweet Jaws... =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: catatonya To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:11 PM Subject: Chinese cat/dog fur-shopping for our pets?- depression-bridge listaddition You know, I LIVE at Walmart. I have thought and thought of boycotting them, even before this. But I went to petsmart today to buy litter and I HATE giving them my business as well when they are selling all of the poor exotic birds being teased by children running around and screaming at them. Thereptiles etc. Where in the h*ll can you shop with a conscience any more? It's all very depressing. And speaking of depressing Yesterday about a quarter of a mile from my school I saw a cat writhing in pain and bleeding in the middle of the road with cars just driving around it! It had obviously just been hit or it would have already been hit again. I stopped traffic (because I'm sure if I had pulled over people would have just driven around me and run over the cat again) and got out of the car and ran to the cat. It was crying and I was afraid really to pick it up that I might be bitten. But I didn't have much of a choice, so I picked up the cat and carried it to the other side of the road and laid it in the grass. It went limp, and I thought it was dead. It was bleeding horribly from its mouth and head. I "knew" it wasn't going to make it until I could get it to a vet, but I felt his heart beating steadily and he was still breathing... So I picked him up and fought the traffic back across the street.I mean with the bleeding cat in my arms--trying to cross the street--- people didn't want to stop and let me cross! I had to basically force people to let me back into traffic when I got in the car to leave(they were all going around my car by nowagain). I put on my flashers, I blew my horn. People would not let me pass, and it took forever to go about 2 miles to the nearest vet. I got the cat to the nearest vet who was luckily open. He's someone I know, luckily. I told them to please get the doctor to euthanize the cat. I couldn't believe he was still alive! It was just terrible. Well, the doctor came in and started checking him and said he thought he could help him. He said he had bitten his tongue and that was what had caused all of the blood. He was in shock, had a concussion. But the doctor said his heart and lungs sounded ok and he would see what he could do. I left the cat there and went to work. I wanted to go home after all of that, and had a bad cold and didn't feel well anyway. But there were no subs so I was told to stay. I called back later and the doctor had put pins inthe cat'stop and bottom jaws which were both broken. He had a ruptured ear drum and concussion. He had inserted a feeding tube, but said he was hanging in there. He felt if he could get him stabilized with the feeding tube he could save him. (All without charging me! He's a nice guy. That's the ONE good thing from this story.) He said things were looking good so far and they were taking good care of him. Anyway, today I called and they said the cat (they had named him "Jaws". ha.) had died last night around 8:00.He was a gray tabby with a few brown markings and white feet. Very handsome. Now I feel guilty because I didn't stop after work and visit the cat again yesterday because I felt sick and just wanted to go home. A lot of my co-workers did say 'how awful' or they were sorry, or whatever, but they were just appalled that I decided I didn't want to go to the Christmas party after school. Iam just so MAD about the whole thing. I don't know what kind of world we live in that people treat animals so horribly and people are so uncaring. I don't see how anyone who is the least bit aware of the suffering doesn't suffer from depression like I do. I feel like many people on this list understand me better than my friends and family. How DO you deal with the daily emails of animals being gassed in overcrowded shelters, people dumping their pets, people abusing animals. It is just so sad and
Re: Elderly woman overwhelmed with FIV + cats needs help finding res
OK - as I understand the message, she's in Minnesota, right? MC (Tenhousecats) is in Michigan, has volunteered with a large rescue there, and hopefully might have a suggestion - Gloria At 07:41 PM 12/14/2005, you wrote: I can't follow exactly what is going on with the testing and if it's fiv or felv. I thought I'd pass this on in case anyone knows of any rescues near this woman that might be able to help her? It came on a georgia cat rescue group list that I'm on. I will see if I can get more info. tonya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I need your help finding FIV+ rescues for several cats that are in MN. I received an email from an elderly lady who is operating on no funds, no donations,and no help, 60 years old and on disability of $600.00 a month to live on and support 97 cats and kittens. She took 28 cats off a farm that were going to be shot. 13 were pg and they had 77 kittens. 28 died right away and she tested for feline with the Wetness test and 36 cats and kittens passed with a - but are positive because she had to retest every body, because one came up positive. It cost her $2000.00 to retest and give the - ones feline shots. 36 are now dieing of feline luk. She can not adopt any one out until she retests in 3mo. This has killed her financially as well as mentally, watching 36 cats and kittens die so sick. She also stated, Hard times is loosing 40 pounds in 3 mo when you only weigh 134 any way. Hard times is saving your perscription drugs to give to the cats, in smaller doses instead of taking them your self. Hard times is going to the food shelf so you can store up rice and macaroni so you can make large tasteless hot dishes to save on buying hard cat food, so you can feed yourself at the same time you feed them. At the end of her email she states, I do this on my own as no one cares about cats up here (MN) and they just shoot them. I hope you are doing better then me as I am living on the Grace of God only. She has been doing this for 13 years. This lady needs saving just as much as the cats do...if you know of a rescue that can help her out, please email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you, Michele When it comes to saving the life of an animal, trust no one other than yourself!! DO NOT THINK SOMEONE ELSE WILL DO IT!
cat question
Hello, Two weeks ago I took a cat in that had been abandoned. Today, I took her to the vet and found out she was tested as positive for feline leukemia. I also found out today that she is pregnant. I have a 15 year old cat that does not have leukemia. Thus, I cannot keep this new cat but I need to find a shelter that can take her or a family that this will be their only help. Please let me know if you have any ideas. I live in Florida. Thank you in advance, Janet
Re: Elderly woman overwhelmed with FIV + cats needs help finding res
Thanks Gloria,I replied to the group I found it on and to the person who posted it as well. I've got to get to bed soon so it will probably be tomorrow evening before I can get any more info. Maybe there's a rescue that could help her out. Maybe I could send her a 'Christmas gift' if this is all on the up and up. It sounds like she's got more cats than she can handle though, so I know a little money's not going to take care of the problem. :(t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK - as I understand the message, she's in Minnesota, right? MC (Tenhousecats) is in Michigan, has volunteered with a large rescue there, and hopefully might have a suggestion -GloriaAt 07:41 PM 12/14/2005, you wrote:I can't follow exactly what is going on with the testing and if it's fiv or felv. I thought I'd pass this on in case anyone knows of any rescues near this woman that might be able to help her? It came on a georgia cat rescue group list that I'm on. I will see if I can get more info.tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi, I need your help finding FIV+ rescues for several cats that arein MN. I received an email from an elderly lady who is operating onno funds, no donations,and no help, 60 years old and on disability of$600.00 a month to live on and support 97 cats and kittens. She took28 cats off a farm that were going to be shot. 13 were pg and theyhad 77 kittens.28 died right away and she tested for feline with the Wetness test and36 cats and kittens passed with a - but are positive because she hadto retest every body, because one came up positive. It cost her$2000.00 to retest and give the - ones feline shots. 36 are nowdieing of feline luk.She can not adopt any one out until she retests in 3mo. This haskilled her financially as well as mentally, watching 36 cats andkittens die so sick.She also stated, " Hard times is loosing 40 pounds in 3 mo when youonly weigh 134 any way. Hard times is saving your perscription drugsto give to the cats, in smaller doses instead of taking them yourself. Hard times is going to the food shelf so you can store up riceand macaroni so you can make large tasteless hot dishes to save onbuying hard cat food, so you can feed yourself at the same time youfeed them.At the end of her email she states, "I do this on my own as no onecares about cats up here (MN) and they just shoot them. I hope youare doing better then me as I am living on the Grace of God only."She has been doing this for 13 years.This lady needs saving just as much as the cats do...if you knowof a rescue that can help her out, please email me at[EMAIL PROTECTED]Thank you,MicheleWhen it comes to saving the life of an animal, trust no one other than yourself!! DO NOT THINK SOMEONE ELSE WILL DO IT!
Re: cat question
Hi, If your 15 year old negative is vaccinated, it's unlikely that he will get FeLV, especially if you can keep them separate for a while until they get used to each other's scents. I mostly lurk on the list lately, and am FeLV free at the moment, so I will let other list members who are more active than I respond with their ideas. My 2 cents -- you may have trouble finding a FeLV positive rescue. I would suggest putting flyers up at local veterinarian offices, Petsmart stores (and any other business like it). You could also do a search on petfinders.org for your area and see what you find. Hope this helps. =^..^= Terri, Siggie the Tomato Vampire, Guinevere, Sammi, Travis, and 6 furangels: RuthieGirl, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec Salome' =^..^= Furkid Photos! http://mysite.verizon.net/vze7sgqa/My Personal Page: http://www.geocities.com/ruthiegirl1/terrispage.html?1083970447350 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:45 PM Subject: cat question Hello, Two weeks ago I took a cat in that had been abandoned. Today, I took her to the vet and found out she was tested as positive for feline leukemia. I also found out today that she is pregnant. I have a 15 year old cat that does not have leukemia. Thus, I cannot keep this new cat but I need to find a shelter that can take her or a family that this will be their only help. Please let me know if you have any ideas. I live in Florida. Thank you in advance, Janet
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Janet, As Terri and Tonya have already mentioned, many of us mix adult negs that have been vaccinated with pos. It's a judgement call and of course no matter what our success rate in doing this is, there's no safer protection for your elderly cat than to not mix them together. That's what most vets will tell you. Being that your current kitty is older, I might not mix them together either. That said, if I were in this situation, I'd figure God sent her to me for a reason and I'd personally dive in with both feet and do whatever I could to save her and her kittens. I am all too familiar with the heartache involved with pos kittens. My experience with felv came when my husband and I found a box of kittens that were just 2.5 weeks old. Because they were so young, I assume the mother succumbed to felv from the stress of having them and the people who abandoned them didn't know how to care for them. Why else would they take them from their mother at that age? We lost 2 of our babies when they were about 6 mos old and two more before their 2nd birthday. The other two are doing fine and are reaching 2.5 yrs. Their lives were filled with love and concern and I'm not a bit sorry that I made the commitment to try and save them. Janet, you have some tough decisions ahead of you. You don't know me, so you might think I'm a monster for even bringing this up, but given what you've said in your post... It's going to be hard enough to place the mother, if she's healthy. I can't say what I would do in your place. I'm not you and I have no idea what you have to contend with. If someone steps up very quickly to adopt her, knowing she's pregnant, well that's a different story altogether. If you just found out she's pregnant, I'm supposing she's not too far along. Under the circumstances you describe, if you have her spayed, the kittens would be aborted at the same time and praying that she remains asymptomatic after the stress of the operation, you might have a chance of placing her. I couldn't bear to think about what might be in store for those babies if they lose their mother, and don't have a human willing to step in and care for them. My 2 cents on the harshness of reality. Now, what I'm praying for is that you've fallen in love with this little stray and you'll want to adopt her yourself. If so, there are many wonderful, knowledgeable people on this list who will support you no matter where that decision takes you. I'm also praying that someone, if not you, will hear this little girl's story, take her in and give her the kind of life every kitty deserves. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Two weeks ago I took a cat in that had been abandoned. Today, I took her to the vet and found out she was tested as positive for feline leukemia. I also found out today that she is pregnant. I have a 15 year old cat that does not have leukemia. Thus, I cannot keep this new cat but I need to find a shelter that can take her or a family that this will be their only help. Please let me know if you have any ideas. I live in Florida. Thank you in advance, Janet
Re: Chinese cat/dog fur-shopping for our pets?- depression-bridge list addition
Tonya, it so humbles me and honors us all that you did the right - though difficult - thing. But you did the right thing, and demonstrated to all those whizzing cars. It made people think - and maybe next time some one of them will behave differently Most important, you helped the poor injured kitty, the great thing. Thank you for doing the right thing, even though you suffer for it. The world can be a crappy place, but if we keep trying to do the right thing, it makes a lot of difference... Hugs, Gloria At 07:11 PM 12/14/2005, you wrote: ... And speaking of depressing Yesterday about a quarter of a mile from my school I saw a cat writhing in pain and bleeding in the middle of the road with cars just driving around it! It had obviously just been hit or it would have already been hit again. I stopped traffic (because I'm sure if I had pulled over people would have just driven around me and run over the cat again) and got out of the car and ran to the cat. It was crying and I was afraid really to pick it up that I might be bitten. But I didn't have much of a choice, so I picked up the cat and carried it to the other side of the road and laid it in the grass. It went limp, and I thought it was dead. It was bleeding horribly from its mouth and head. I knew it wasn't going to make it until I could get it to a vet, but I felt his heart beating steadily and he was still breathing... So I picked him up and fought the traffic back across the street. I mean with the bleeding cat in my arms--trying to cross the street--- people didn't want to stop and let me cross! I had to basically force people to let me back into traffic when I got in the car to leave (they were all going around my car by now again). I put on my flashers, I blew my horn. People would not let me pass, and it took forever to go about 2 miles to the nearest vet. I got the cat to the nearest vet who was luckily open. He's someone I know, luckily. I told them to please get the doctor to euthanize the cat. I couldn't believe he was still alive! It was just terrible. Well, the doctor came in and started checking him and said he thought he could help him. He said he had bitten his tongue and that was what had caused all of the blood. He was in shock, had a concussion. But the doctor said his heart and lungs sounded ok and he would see what he could do. I left the cat there and went to work. I wanted to go home after all of that, and had a bad cold and didn't feel well anyway. But there were no subs so I was told to stay. I called back later and the doctor had put pins in the cat's top and bottom jaws which were both broken. He had a ruptured ear drum and concussion. He had inserted a feeding tube, but said he was hanging in there. He felt if he could get him stabilized with the feeding tube he could save him. (All without charging me! He's a nice guy. That's the ONE good thing from this story.) He said things were looking good so far and they were taking good care of him. Anyway, today I called and they said the cat (they had named him Jaws. ha.) had died last night around 8:00. He was a gray tabby with a few brown markings and white feet. Very handsome. Now I feel guilty because I didn't stop after work and visit the cat again yesterday because I felt sick and just wanted to go home. A lot of my co-workers did say 'how awful' or they were sorry, or whatever, but they were just appalled that I decided I didn't want to go to the Christmas party after school. I am just so MAD about the whole thing. I don't know what kind of world we live in that people treat animals so horribly and people are so uncaring. I don't see how anyone who is the least bit aware of the suffering doesn't suffer from depression like I do. I feel like many people on this list understand me better than my friends and family. How DO you deal with the daily emails of animals being gassed in overcrowded shelters, people dumping their pets, people abusing animals. It is just so sad and depressing to me all the time. I can't just 'turn it off' and go 'be happy' and 'not think about it'. I feel like It's Christmas time and I hate the world. Merry Christmas... Maybe this shouldn't be on the list, but I would really like to know if others have a hard time handling or balancing your animals and any semblance of a 'normal, happy' life?? I guess it sounds like a 'martyr complex'. I don't know. It just seems like so very few people care about anyone or anything other than themselves. tonya BONNIE J KALMBACH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE CROSS POST Forwarded Message: Subj: LETTER - China's Dog/Cat Fur Markets Date: 12/10/2005 8:35:57 PM Eastern Standard Time From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent from the Internet (Details)
Re: Elderly woman overwhelmed with FIV + cats needs help finding res
In a message dated 12/14/05 11:57:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the wetness test? WHAT Western blot, maybe???
