Re: FeLV cats need home

2006-01-16 Thread catsculptress



Good luck with your hunt for new homes, and 
thank you, for being another person who cares

Sandra from Spain
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Sandra and Tabbs in Spain

2006-01-16 Thread catsculptress




Many thanks for your reply, I will try again 
with the blood test results here goes

(ps I have sent 2 e mails the same as I sent a 
photo with the first and sudden remembered that no 
photo's

also I will try scan the paper for 
you.
 
RESULTADOS DE HEMATOLOGIA

HCT 
  = 17.5 
%
HGB 
 = 5.7 
g/d1
MCHC 
 
= 32.6 g/d1
WBC 
= 13 .0 x10 
/L  
(there is a small 9 just above the 10)
Grans 
= 7.1 x10 
/L 
(there is a small 9 just above the 10)
%GRANS 
= 55 
%
L/M 
= 5.9x10 
/L 
(there is a small 9 just above the 10)
%L/M 
= 45%
PLT 
 212 x10 
/L 
(there is a small 9 just above the 10)
RETICS 
- 2.3 
%

regarding the antibiotics it was a 
verysoft one called Amoxicilina, in Spanish.

I have spent the morning joining the 
memberships, and thanks too your early reply, I feel a little more in control, 

even if it proves that my vet is doing every 
quite right, its much better to under stand where one is 
going.

I forgot to mention thatTabbs 
hadpneumonia 
over Xmas, but has recovered quite well.

regarding his mouth the vets have only looked 
gently inside his mouth without him being under anaesthetic, we can see a small 
lump which the vet says is a tumour, what with his teeth and the lump which he 
keeps catching when he tries to eat, it is most up setting. I am going down to 
my vets with the information you have given me regarding epogen, and also to 
seeif we can treat the mouth tumour. I think they may take another blood 
test to check the kidneys ect, and depending on the results we many be able to 
treat the mouth.

once again many thanks, 


Sandra and 
Tabbs
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Subject: Re: Tiggie passed away yesterday

2006-01-16 Thread Carla Shoppe
Elizabeth

I a so sorry to hear of Tiggies passing.

My heart goes out to you.

Carla




Re: Tabbs my Siamese in Spain

2006-01-16 Thread elizabeth holtermann
Hi Sandra,  We live in a little town called Jimena de la Frontera, about a 1/2 hour up in the hills behind Gibraltar.  We just lost our dear cat, Tiggie, to FELV, and are going to have our other 2 cats tested this week.  We found something called Transfer Factor Plus, also flax oil and cottage cheese, as well as rasberry seed extract, and had Tiggie on the TFP, but I think we just started too late.  If you look up these things, the TFP, flax oil and cottage cheese, and the rasberry seed extract, you may find them helpful.  It´s too late for our dear Tiggie, but I am starting the other two cats on these things right away.  I haven´t been able to read all of your postings, but I just wanted to get this info out to you ASAP.  Also, let me know what area of Spain you live in- we have found an absolutely wonderful vet who does alternative as well as mainstream medicine and welcomes new ideas. 
 Take care,  Elizabethcatsculptress [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello, My name is Sandra I live in Spain and have acquired 5 Spanish cats and kittens since living over here, 2 kittens and 3 full maletoms, sadly I have lost 2 of the adults last year with FELV and anaemic. I was unable to give them much help in the way of treatment, due to the fact that they where not used to be handled, and I was late in the diagnosis alongside it being  too stressful for them. Since then my first tame stray called Tabbs have been diagnosed with FELV and anaemia. But the other 3 cats are all negative, even though one of the kittens tested Positive 3 years
 ago. But last test was neg.Ihave a very good vet, but am just a little unsure that he isa little unwillingto pull all the stops out. Even though he says he has tried new things in the past. Also my Spanish is not that good, and I do feel that some times I do not always get my point across. My fault, due to my lack of the language  He has dealt with over 9 of my cats since living here in Spain,and until recently I have had no complaints, but withreference to my Siamese cat called Tabbs, originally a full
 male tom catand I would say a short term stray, now neutered and fully Vaccwho was taken in by us 4 yrs ago, Age now between 6 and 10 years,he has recently been diagnosed as FELV positive. In additionhe also has trouble with his Kidneys.(with high readings over thelast 2 yrs. being treated with the Spanish drug FORTEKOR 5). The cat is also anaemic.Tabbs also suffers from deterioration of teeth and gums preventing him from eating properly and causing bad breath. His treatment for these teeth has been administration of anti-bionics and a dental clean 6 months ago. It is my opinion that on this occasion at least two teeth should have been extracted for the benefit of the cat, unfortunately this was not done.  
 X-ray taken two days ago shows no tumours present in the body at the moment. but he has a small tumour in his month which he catches when eating.and due to the blood readings.(urea 54.4 m9/d1, urea 20/40 m9/d1), of his Kidneys, we are unable to treat him as normal.I respectfully ask for your advice, firstly due to his kidney readings it has not been possible to operate onthe small tumour and his poor teeth which at present is responsible for his greatest discomfort. I have been informed that if steroids were administered this would reduce the swelling of the tumourin themouth and remove his discomfort to a certain degree, yet again because of his kidney reading(urea 54.4 m9/d1, urea 20/40 m9/d1), we are unable to administer steroids. He has had 3 antibiotics
 courseswith the last onefinishinga week ago.these were combine with vitamin B injections, and he seemed to response quite well with the antibiotics, But my vet is not forth coming at the moment with a any more antibiotics, and I feel that now my vet has said too many antibiotics are not going to be any good to him long term, But I am wondering weather he is going to be around long term, and is it not better for him to have some relief now. ??? as he is not so happy in his self since the antibiotics have worn off.Regarding the anaemia I am treating it with a good raw mincemeat alongside canned food, but he can not mange hills nuts any more. alsochemist bought vitamin and iron supplement 'glutaferro' at 0.2 ml per day 6 drops polivitaminico. I requested the Pet-Tinic but my vet was unable to supplier it for
 me.  We are concerned with the quality of life my cat is experiencing as he is lethargic and depressed most of the time, howeverwith all things considered he is eating reasonably well.And also responses well to TLC.  My Spanish veterinary surgeon advises me that we cannot treat the teeth and mouth tumours or administer the appropriate drugs (steroids) until the kidney readingshave reduced. But while we are waiting my cats quality of life could be better, than it is at the moment, especially as I feel he is on borrowed time with the FELV and Anaemia.I feel that this scenario is a never ending 

Re: FeLV cats need home

2006-01-16 Thread gblane
Keep in mind that on retest, the kittens may go negative  - I've forgotten 
the time to retest - seems like it's 60-90 days.


Gloria

At 12:46 AM 1/16/2006, you wrote:

where are you located?

Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I volunteer for a group in Mississippi that rescues feral and domesticated 
cats and does TNR or adopts them out. I am the main foster home because I 
have a really big basement. Yesterday, I had 5 foster cats test positive 
for FeLV. 2 adult females and 3 kittens. Luna, Princess, Mocha, Hershey, 
and Godiva are all beautiful, healthy at the moment, loving, and playful. 
Right now I have them together in my gameroom. But I have 6 cats of my 
own, plus 6 other foster cats.


I had to have everyone tested yesterday to find out who all had it. After 
that expense, I can't afford to do the IFA tests. I am paying for all this 
out of my pocket. I don't even have a job, I am a stay-at-home mom.


Would anyone be interested in adopting any of them? All 5 of them get 
along great and could go together in any combination. The 2 adults are 
females and the kittens are 2 females and 1 male. They have all been 
spayed/neutered, had their rabies and FVRCP shots. I can send pictures if 
you want to see them.


Sincerely,

Julie Holeman
jmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]




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RE: Tabbs my Siamese in Spain

2006-01-16 Thread Lisa Ward








Hello,

 Does anybody have the receipe for the
raw liver shakeThanks...Lisa



-Original Message-
From: elizabeth holtermann
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006
1:04 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Tabbs my Siamese in
Spain





Hi Sandra,





We live in a little town called Jimena de la Frontera,
about a 1/2 hour up in the hills behind Gibraltar.





We just lost our dear cat, Tiggie, to FELV, and are
going to have our other 2 cats tested this week.





We found something called Transfer Factor Plus, also
flax oil and cottage cheese, as well as rasberry seed extract, and had Tiggie
on the TFP, but I think we just started too late.





If you look up these things, the TFP, flax oil and
cottage cheese, and the rasberry seed extract, you may find them helpful.





It´s too late for our dear Tiggie, but I am starting
the other two cats on these things right away.





I haven´t been able to read all of your postings, but
I just wanted to get this info out to you ASAP.





Also, let me know what area of Spain you live in- we
have found an absolutely wonderful vet who does alternative as well as
mainstream medicine and welcomes new ideas.





Take care,





Elizabeth

catsculptress
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:









Hello, My name is
Sandra I live in Spain and have acquired 5 Spanish cats and kittens since
living over here, 2 kittens and 3 full maletoms, sadly I have lost 2 of
the adults last year with FELV and anaemic. I was unable to give them much help
in the way of treatment, due to the fact that they where not used to be
handled, and I was late in the diagnosis alongside it being





too stressful
for them. Since then my first tame stray called Tabbs have been diagnosed with
FELV and anaemia. But the other 3 cats are all negative, even though one of the
kittens tested Positive 3 years ago. But last test was neg.











Ihave a very
good vet, but am just a little unsure that he isa little
unwillingto pull all the stops out. Even though he says he has
tried new things in the past. Also my Spanish is not that good, and I do feel
that some times I do not always get my point across. My fault, due to my
lack of the language

















He has dealt with
over 9 of my cats since living here in Spain,and until recently I have
had no complaints, but withreference to my Siamese cat called
Tabbs, originally a full male tom catand I would say a short term
stray, now neutered and fully Vaccwho was taken in by us 4 yrs ago,
Age now between 6 and 10 years,he has recently been diagnosed as
FELV positive. 











In additionhe
also has trouble with his Kidneys.(with high readings over thelast
2 yrs. being treated with the Spanish drug FORTEKOR 5). The cat is also
anaemic.Tabbs also suffers from deterioration of teeth and gums
preventing him from eating properly and causing bad breath. His treatment for
these teeth has been administration of anti-bionics and a dental clean 6 months
ago. It is my opinion that on this occasion at least two teeth should have been
extracted for the benefit of the cat, unfortunately this was not done. 





X-ray taken two
days ago shows no tumours present in the body at the moment. but he has a small
tumour in his month which he catches when eating.and due to the blood
readings.(urea 54.4 m9/d1, urea 20/40 m9/d1), of his Kidneys, we are unable to
treat him as normal.











I respectfully ask
for your advice, firstly due to his kidney readings it has not been possible to
operate onthe small tumour and his poor teeth which at present is
responsible for his greatest discomfort. I have been informed that if steroids
were administered this would reduce the swelling of the tumourin
themouth and remove his discomfort to a certain degree, yet again because
of his kidney reading(urea 54.4 m9/d1, urea 20/40 m9/d1), we are unable
to administer steroids. He has had 3 antibiotics
courseswith the last onefinishinga week ago.these were
combine with vitamin B injections, and he seemed to response quite well with
the antibiotics, But my vet is not forth coming at the moment with a any more
antibiotics, and I feel that now my vet has said too many antibiotics are
not going to be any good to him long term, But I am wondering weather he is
going to be around long term, and is it not better for him to have some relief
now. ??? as he is not so happy in his self since the antibiotics have worn off.











Regarding the
anaemia I am treating it with a good raw mincemeat alongside canned food, but
he can not mange hills nuts any more. alsochemist bought vitamin and iron
supplement 'glutaferro' at 0.2 ml per day 6 drops polivitaminico. I requested
the Pet-Tinic but my vet was unable to supplier it for me.





We are concerned
with the quality of life my cat is experiencing as he is lethargic and
depressed most of the time, howeverwith all things considered he is
eating reasonably well.And also responses well to TLC.





My 

RE: FeLV cats need home

2006-01-16 Thread Lisa Ward
Hello, 
Does anybody have the receipe for the liver shake? Thanking you for your
helpLisa

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 1:13 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: FeLV cats need home

Keep in mind that on retest, the kittens may go negative  - I've forgotten 
the time to retest - seems like it's 60-90 days.

Gloria

At 12:46 AM 1/16/2006, you wrote:
where are you located?

Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I volunteer for a group in Mississippi that rescues feral and domesticated 
cats and does TNR or adopts them out. I am the main foster home because I 
have a really big basement. Yesterday, I had 5 foster cats test positive 
for FeLV. 2 adult females and 3 kittens. Luna, Princess, Mocha, Hershey, 
and Godiva are all beautiful, healthy at the moment, loving, and playful. 
Right now I have them together in my gameroom. But I have 6 cats of my 
own, plus 6 other foster cats.

I had to have everyone tested yesterday to find out who all had it. After 
that expense, I can't afford to do the IFA tests. I am paying for all this 
out of my pocket. I don't even have a job, I am a stay-at-home mom.

Would anyone be interested in adopting any of them? All 5 of them get 
along great and could go together in any combination. The 2 adults are 
females and the kittens are 2 females and 1 male. They have all been 
spayed/neutered, had their rabies and FVRCP shots. I can send pictures if 
you want to see them.

Sincerely,

Julie Holeman
jmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]




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Virtual friend

2006-01-16 Thread Lomaxturtle



Someone put this on the FIV group - he is cute - he purrs when you pet his 
chest with the cursor and chases it when it's above his head

http://www.broenink-art.nl/maukie2.swf

Michelle, Buddy, Minstrel  Angel 
Bramble


RE: Liver Shake

2006-01-16 Thread Lisa Ward
Title: Message









Thank youLisa



-Original
Message-
From: Tad Burnett
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006
3:17 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Liver Shake





Doljan, Joan wrote:





THE '~LIVER SHAKE~'
FOR SICK CATS

This liquid food is appropriate for cats suffering from conditions
where they are eating very little or not at all such as anemias,
leukemias, deficiency states with symptoms of lethargy, listlessness,
and weakness.

 1 cup RAW LIVER (BEEF, or CHICKEN)
 1 cup FRESH CARROT JUICE or V-8, or Tomatoe Juice
 1/4 cup *FRESH FILTERED WATER
 1 RAW EGG YOLK
 1 tsp.KELP POWDER OR SPIRULINA


COMBINE AND MIX IN A BLENDER UNTIL LIQUIFIED. (Note: it will be frothy)

Dosage:

Administer lOcc daily 3-6 times a day. (6Occ per day max)

Some cats will need to be force-fed with a syringe, while others will
drink it out of a bowl.

This food has a sweet and salty taste, and the energetic properties of
tonifying (energy boosting), warming and stimulating and supports the
kidneys, spleen, liver and stomach.

This drink is a complete dinner for a sick cat until they feel good
enough to eat by themselves again.

*Substitute rice water if the cat has diarrhea. Rice water
is made by boiling white rice (2 Tblsp) with water (1cup) for 30
minutes.
This liquid aids digestion and assimilation and inhibits the symptoms
of
diarrhea.










RE: Tiggie passed away yesterday

2006-01-16 Thread Hideyo Yamamoto








I am so very sorry for your loss, Elizabeth  please
know that Tiggie is at haven with no more pain and her soul is still right
besides you.. ..











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006
9:44 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: Tiggie passed away
yesterday









I am so sorry.





Michelle











In a message dated 1/14/2006 5:23:12 A.M.
Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:







sad news-





Tiggie died yesterday, surrounded by
loving humans, her 2 vets and myself.





She went downhill very fast by the
time I got her to our vet, she was on her way out. I believe we were just too
late by the time we tried her supplements.





The vets asked Ashley, our eleven-year
old daughter, if she would take this lovely cat home to care for him- he had
been rescued but was in bad need of a loving home, so we did. 





Ashley´s named him Malcom, and is
carefully introducing him to our other cat and two dogs today.





Thank you all for all your help and
support- I couldn´t have managed as well as I did without it.





I´ll still be in touch on the forum,





Elizabeth




















Re: Lucy

2006-01-16 Thread Lernermichelle




Thanks, Tonya. That does make me feel a little better. She only vomited 
right after eating. She then wanted to be fed again!

I have not fed her for about 10 hours now. I think I am going to wait until 
the morning. So you think if she vomits after getting a little food in the 
morning I should try reglan (that's probably what you were referring to and I 
have it in the house from Simon) and see if that takes care of it?

Have you ever had a cat throw up every meal for 1.5 days? I am 
actually not sure she threw up breakfast yesterday, and don't really think she 
did as I never found any vomit from it, but she did throw up the night before 
and last night and this morning after eating...

Michelle

In a message dated 1/16/2006 9:03:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  For right now I would try feeding her very small amounts spaced out and 
  see if she continues to vomit. Also, my vet told me it's not an 
  emergency unless they keep vomiting and vomiting after you STOP giving them 
  food altogether. Like when someone has the flu or whatever and they keep 
  vomiting and vomiting even when there's nothing left in their stomachs until 
  they are just vomiting bile.
  
  It could be as simple as she likes her new food and is eating too fast or 
  too much. It could be a hairball. I would at least try waiting an 
  hour and giving her just a tiny bit and see if she throws that up. If 
  she does, but doesn't throw up again I would wait 2 hours and give her a tiny 
  bit again and see what happens. But unless she's vomiting and can't stop 
  I wouldn't take her to the emergency vet. They often do more harm than 
  good.
  
  If she is continuously vomiting I would leave her off any food for a few 
  hours and see if she stops before taking her in. That's just my opinion, 
  but that's how I decide when vomiting is a problem here. Do you think 
  she could have eaten something she wasn't supposed to that's causing a 
  blockage of some sort?
  
  I had one cat with kidney disease and ibd that would sometimes start 
  vomiting and not stop. When that happened the vet would just give him 
  some (? don't remember the name) to stop the vomiting. If you have to go 
  to emergency I wouldn't let them do much more than that unless they really 
  found something wrong and you had confidence in them.
  
  hope this helps some.
  t




Re: Lucy

2006-01-16 Thread catatonya
I once trapped a stray that threw up EVERY time he ate unless I just gave him little bits. He would just scarf down the food so quickly (whole) he would throw it up.Most of my cats throw up pretty frequently. Usually it's due to a hairball. You don't always see the hairball right away, but after they throw up a few times. there it is.If you haven't fed her in 10 hours I think I might at least give her a little broth.Maybe a fourth of a cup is all. Do you have a can of chicken noodle soup or something like that? Is she drinking? I wouldn't want her stomach to get too empty. sometimes when you get too hungry it upsets your stomach by itself. Also you don't want her to get dehydrated. Has she been drinking.I don't know what you're feeding her with the raw diet, but if you could smash up just a little (like a tablespoon
 full is all) really mushy and see what happens I would do it.t[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Thanks, Tonya. That does make me feel a little better. She only vomited right after eating. She then wanted to be fed again!I have not fed her for about 10 hours now. I think I am going to wait until the morning. So you think if she vomits after getting a little food in the morning I should try reglan (that's probably what you were referring to and I have it in the house from Simon) and see if that takes care of it?Have you ever had a cat throw up every meal for 1.5 days? I am actually not sure she threw up breakfast yesterday, and don't
 really think she did as I never found any vomit from it, but she did throw up the night before and last night and this morning after eating...MichelleIn a message dated 1/16/2006 9:03:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:For right now I would try feeding her very small amounts spaced out and see if she continues to vomit. Also, my vet told me it's not an emergency unless they keep vomiting and vomiting after you STOP giving them food altogether. Like when someone has the flu or whatever and they keep vomiting and vomiting even when there's nothing left in their stomachs until they are just vomiting bile.It could be as simple as she likes her new food and is eating too fast or too
 much. It could be a hairball. I would at least try waiting an hour and giving her just a tiny bit and see if she throws that up. If she does, but doesn't throw up again I would wait 2 hours and give her a tiny bit again and see what happens. But unless she's vomiting and can't stop I wouldn't take her to the emergency vet. They often do more harm than good.If she is continuously vomiting I would leave her off any food for a few hours and see if she stops before taking her in. That's just my opinion, but that's how I decide when vomiting is a problem here. Do you think she could have eaten something she wasn't supposed to that's causing a blockage of some sort?I had one cat with kidney disease and ibd that would sometimes start vomiting and not stop. When that happened the vet would just give him some (? don't remember the name) to stop the vomiting. If you have to go
 to emergency I wouldn't let them do much more than that unless they really found something wrong and you had confidence in them.hope this helps some.  t

Re: Lucy

2006-01-16 Thread Lernermichelle




I'm vegan so the only meat products I have are for my cats, and chicken 
broth hasn't been something I have thought to stock. A lot of vet websites 
on vomiting say to fast for 24 hours. I don't know if she has been drinking, but 
if she has she has not been vomiting it. She does not seem dehydrated (skin 
snapping right back). I am torn between wanting to offer her a little food 
and not wanting her to vomit it right up and thinking maybe she really does need 
24 hours for her system to rest... I have this fear, probably an overreaction, 
that she is never going to be able to hold food down again. I know that is 
ridiculous probably, but I never saw a cat repeatedly throw up whatever I fed 
them. She has not gagged or vomited other than right after eating.

Michelle

In a message dated 1/16/2006 9:21:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  If you haven't fed her in 10 hours I think I might at least give her a 
  little broth.Maybe a fourth of a cup is all. Do you have a can of 
  chicken noodle soup or something like that? Is she drinking? I 
  wouldn't want her stomach to get too empty. sometimes when you get too 
  hungry it upsets your stomach by itself. Also you don't want her to get 
  dehydrated. Has she been drinking.
  
  I don't know what you're feeding her with the raw diet, but if you could 
  smash up just a little (like a tablespoon full is all) really mushy and see 
  what happens I would do it.
  
  t




Re: Lucy

2006-01-16 Thread catatonya
I couldn't remember if you ate meat or not. I don't have any chicken soup either.Fasting for 24 hours should be ok.I know with people it's fine, andI've waited 24 hours with cats when it's diarrhea. I just think if it's been 10 and she hasn't thrown up she should be ok to have a taste of something. But do what you think is best. If she's not continuing to throw up though I doubt it's ibd. If it were me I would go by if she's acting hungry and probably give her a little something if she is, and wait if she seems comfortable.My ibd cat would throw up until it was nothing but foam and have to take reglan when he would have his bouts with it.Keep us posted, but I really believe/hope it's nothing too serious if she's only throwing up right after she eats. Didn't she have pain med.s after surgery? Sometimes those take a while to
 get out of the system too. Is she on antibiotics? Sometimes they can cause an upset tummy as well.t  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I'm vegan so the only meat products I have are for my cats, and chicken broth hasn't been something I have thought to stock. A lot of vet websites on vomiting say to fast for 24 hours. I don't know if she has been drinking, but if she has she has not been vomiting it. She does not seem dehydrated (skin snapping right back). I am torn between wanting to offer her a little food and not wanting her to vomit it right up and thinking maybe she really does need 24 hours for her system to rest... I have this fear, probably an overreaction, that
 she is never going to be able to hold food down again. I know that is ridiculous probably, but I never saw a cat repeatedly throw up whatever I fed them. She has not gagged or vomited other than right after eating.MichelleIn a message dated 1/16/2006 9:21:08 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:If you haven't fed her in 10 hours I think I might at least give her a little broth.Maybe a fourth of a cup is all. Do you have a can of chicken noodle soup or something like that? Is she drinking? I wouldn't want her stomach to get too empty. sometimes when you get too hungry it upsets your stomach by itself. Also you don't want her to get dehydrated. Has she been drinking. 
   I don't know what you're feeding her with the raw diet, but if you could smash up just a little (like a tablespoon full is all) really mushy and see what happens I would do it.t

Re: Lucy

2006-01-16 Thread Lernermichelle




Ah, but that was Patches who just had surgery last week. Lucy had bladder 
surgery over 2 months ago. It has been anything but boring here, 
unfortunately.

So did your ibd guy throw up repeatedly and only stop with reglan? How long 
would you have to give him reglan for, and could you tell why he would start 
vomiting all of a sudden?

Michelle

In a message dated 1/16/2006 9:50:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Keep us 
  posted, but I really believe/hope it's nothing too serious if she's only 
  throwing up right after she eats. Didn't she have pain med.s after 
  surgery? Sometimes those take a while to get out of the system 
  too. Is she on antibiotics? Sometimes they can cause an upset 
  tummy as well.




Re: Lucy

2006-01-16 Thread catatonya
I'm sorry. I confused the two. Does Lucy have ibd that you know of or just the bladder problems?My ibd cat who threw up (the others had diarrhea) just did it every once in a while. I never could really attribute it to anything out of the ordinary. He had kidney disease and was on science diet for that. This was YEARS ago when that was all there was. It might happen once every month or go as long as 2 or 3 months that it would not happen. When it did happen I had to give him reglan, and that would stop it. Usually one dose would do it. And yes, once he started he would continue to vomit at least every 30 minutes without eating in between, so I knew it wasn't from his food.I don't know if the kidney disease played into that or not. He died of kidney failure when he was over 10 years old. At that time he had to take pepcid, reglan, and other
 things (fluids, etc...) to try to keep him from being sick. But when he was very young (3-5) we found out he had ibd and kidney disease and one kidney that was just very small/malformed. I almost lost him then, but once diagnosed he came back and lived another 8 years or so with just the bouts of vomiting here and there.tonya[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Ah, but that was Patches who just had surgery last week. Lucy had bladder surgery over 2 months ago. It has been anything but boring here, unfortunately.So did your ibd guy throw up repeatedly and only stop with reglan? How long would you have to give him reglan for, and could you tell why he would
 start vomiting all of a sudden?MichelleIn a message dated 1/16/2006 9:50:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:  Keep us posted, but I really believe/hope it's nothing too serious if she's only throwing up right after she eats. Didn't she have pain med.s after surgery? Sometimes those take a while to get out of the system too. Is she on antibiotics? Sometimes they can cause an upset tummy as well.

Re: Lucy

2006-01-16 Thread Nina




Michelle,
I just wrote you off-list about Lucy. I said alot of the same things
Tonya did. As far as the broth... if you have some raw turkey, or
chicken, toss it in a small sauce pan with some filtered water and boil
it until you make a weak broth for her. That will be better than a
canned broth with lots of salt and flavorings anyway, (more bland).
It's just my opinion, but I think 10 hours of fasting is plenty of time
to see if she can handle a teaspoon, or tablespoon of broth, or baby
food. Going too long in between meals and eating on an empty stomach
ALWAYS makes Gypsy vomit! When I would resort to Reglan with Gyps, I'd
only have to give her one dose before I saw results with the next
meal. She was so bad off at the time that you could actually see her
stomach contracting.
N

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  
  
  Ah, but that was Patches who just had surgery last week. Lucy
had bladder surgery over 2 months ago. It has been anything but boring
here, unfortunately.
  
  So did your ibd guy throw up repeatedly and only stop with
reglan? How long would you have to give him reglan for, and could you
tell why he would start vomiting all of a sudden?
  
  Michelle
  
  In a message dated 1/16/2006 9:50:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  Keep us posted, but I really believe/hope it's nothing too
serious if she's only throwing up right after she eats. Didn't she
have pain med.s after surgery? Sometimes those take a while to get out
of the system too. Is she on antibiotics? Sometimes they can cause an
upset tummy as well.
  
  
  




Re: Lucy

2006-01-16 Thread Marylyn



None of the ferals I help and neither of my inside 
cats will touch canned or boxed broth. there are too many additives I 
guess but they will eat several day old dry food instead. 





 
If you have men who will exclude any of God's 
creatures 
from the shelter of compassion and pity, you will have men who 
 
will deal likewise with their fellow 
man. 
St. Francis

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Nina 
  
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
  
  Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 9:50 
  PM
  Subject: Re: Lucy
  Michelle,I just wrote you off-list about Lucy. I said 
  alot of the same things Tonya did. As far as the broth... if you have 
  some raw turkey, or chicken, toss it in a small sauce pan with some filtered 
  water and boil it until you make a weak broth for her. That will be 
  better than a canned broth with lots of salt and flavorings anyway, (more 
  bland). It's just my opinion, but I think 10 hours of fasting is plenty 
  of time to see if she can handle a teaspoon, or tablespoon of broth, or baby 
  food. Going too long in between meals and eating on an empty stomach 
  ALWAYS makes Gypsy vomit! When I would resort to Reglan with Gyps, I'd 
  only have to give her one dose before I saw results with the next meal. 
  She was so bad off at the time that you could actually see her stomach 
  contracting.N[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


Ah, but that was Patches who just had surgery last week. Lucy had 
bladder surgery over 2 months ago. It has been anything but boring 
here, unfortunately.

So did your ibd guy throw up repeatedly and only stop with reglan? How 
long would you have to give him reglan for, and could you tell why he would 
start vomiting all of a sudden?

Michelle

In a message dated 1/16/2006 9:50:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Keep 
  us posted, but I really believe/hope it's nothing too serious if she's 
  only throwing up right after she eats. Didn't she have pain med.s 
  after surgery? Sometimes those take a while to get out of the system 
  too. Is she on antibiotics? Sometimes they can cause an upset 
  tummy as well.



Re: Here's the Poem I wrote after losing Tidge for those who wanted to see it.

2006-01-16 Thread Nina

Michelle,
Thank you for posting your poem.  It's beautiful and, of course, it made 
me cry. 
Nina