date:20060902


On 8/31/06, Hideyo Yamamoto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Always remember, annual vaccinations are very convenient and easy way tomake money for most of the vets (a quote by vets).. so though it maybe
required by state law normally, you really have to figure the benefitsand risks of giving it to your cats.. I do not give rabies to my felkand FIV cats and my vets supports it..


I actually do not give any vaccinations to my heart disease cat. My vet has advised me against it as the chances of her dying from a bad reaction to the vaccine are much higher than dying of distemper, Felv, or rabies. 
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Re: Lost Twinkletoes

2006-09-02 Thread catatonya

I'm so sorry, Kelley. I've never heard of that problem. I hope you can find some information to help Twinkletoes' sister.tonyaKelley Saveika [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I lost my Twinkletoes this morning to complications of malabsorption (not FELV related). She was 5 months. She has a sister who is also very small, and I'm trying to do some research on this condition. Does anyone know anything about it? -- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!http://www.cafepress.com/austinsiamese

Re: Lost Twinkletoes

2006-09-02 Thread TatorBunz

I'm so sorry about Twinkletoes!
Such a young furbaby. :(
You are my thoughts and prayers. It is hard when you lose one that young.
 
I have never had to deal with this problem in all the kitties I've hadhope I don't either.


 
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Re: Lost Twinkletoes


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I'm so sorry about Twinkletoes!Such a young furbaby. :(You are my thoughts and prayers. It is hard when you lose one that young.
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My vet said he is seeing it more, and they don't really know what it is. It is pretty scary. He said she had thickened intestines, and she could not absorb her food. So she ate, but remained tiny. At 5 months she was 
1.04 pounds. This may have been some other sort of illness that she didn't have the reserves to deal with. I just don't know. Her sister is perhaps 2 pounds. I need to take her and get her weighed.

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my baby crackers

2006-09-02 Thread Watsdadillyo




About last Oct. we found Pokemon at our local park. She had a pink 
collor on and was so tame and lovable. But she was skinny. I thought I was doing 
an excellent thing bringing her home and my son 4 and niece 9 wouldn't have it 
any other way. She seemed to gain weight when she got here. She was small so i 
thought she was still a kitten about 4-5 months. Well a few weeks ago Pokemon 
started "coughing" she got into the basement and had insulation on her nose. So 
when the coughing was still going on but not as bad I thought she must have 
sniffed some insulation. Last Monday her breathing semed like a deep hard 
breathing and she was always so skinny i didn't notice a weight lost. I went 
down into the basment i live in a triplex...i found rat poisoning in a corner on 
a shelf. I rushed her to my local animal hospital and they told me that she 
needed emergency care...so we drove to unniversity of penn animal emergency 
hospital. They took her right in. I was thinking oh no rat poisoning..we dont 
even have mice here. Well finally after getting half assed answers and them 
saying it could be this or that...she told me that Pokemon had an abundancy of 
fluided in her lungs and finally was told that she had lyphomia and that they 
estimated Pokemon to be between 5-7 yrs old based on teeth and kidney size. To 
do the full tests and amit her to the ICU unit would be between $6000-$8000 
estimate and we needed to put $1300 down. And they were so kind to let us have 5 
mins to decide. Also the dr. said that this lyphomia could have been from Feline 
Aids or Feline Luekemia and that Cracks may have been affected. Now my mind was 
shot. I decided to euthanize her when they said she was so sick that they also 
believed she had this for awhile and was little hope. Ok on to Crackers. On the 
way home from putting Pokemon to sleep I immediately called my vet to get 
Crackers tested for FIV AND The luekemia. That was Tuesday and today is 
Saturday. Last nite Friday cracker had his appointment the dr said looks like he 
will be negative for both but we still have about 2 mins. Well he said oh we do 
have a positive. As my heart dropped he got his book and said feline luekemia. 
The dot that registared was a little very lite blue dot. I told him to send out 
the other ultra violet test. They should be back Sun morning and with the 
holiday if not sun then Mon. He said Crackers looked very Healthy and strong. I 
asked him over and over being in shock if there were false positives and he said 
that the test didn't have any. Here is a little of Crackers history: he is my 
big baby 18.6 lbs..he has NEVER been sick ever...no colds nothing and he only 
had diareahha 1 day when he was a yr old. He is very loving and happy..has never 
been outside except when he would run out and i was right after him. That he 
grew out of. He has a hearty appetite. I leave out food and fresh water 24-7 for 
him. He lives a very stress free life and is a LOVER boy he loves to purr and be 
rubbed. I am willing to do anything in the world for him and i will. I am open 
to all and all suggestions. And all I can remember is that the 1st month pokemon 
came they would fight and he did have a bite mark that bleed..he is all white. 
So i know he suffered a deep wound puncture for her. What kills me is how dense 
I was. I based Pokemon like a book by its cover. She was beautiful and so sweet 
I NEVER realized i should of had her tested and never brought her near my baby. 
I will never be able to forgive myself for Cracker being a positive Feline 
Leukemia. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.

Re: Re: Lost Twinkletoes


On 9/2/06, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Kelley,I understand what you mean about hating kitten season.I'm so sorry forall the losses you've had to endure.I love all babies, but after being
in rescue I can't look at any of them without a touch of sadness.Ihate that!The symptoms you describe sound like IBD, (Inflammatory Bowel Disease)to me.It's a catch-all term used when the vets have done all the tests
and can't figure out what the heck is going on.The symptoms includeuncontrolled diarrhea and/or vomiting, thickened intestine walls andmalnutrition.There is an IBD list that I joined when my Gypsydeveloped IBD after an accidental vaccine overdose.Generally the
people and the rules on the list are a royal pain in the a**, but I didget some valuable information there that helped save Gypsy's life,(http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FelineIBD
).I have found that diet is akey factor.Switching Gypsy to a raw diet was the turning point in herrecovery, (she's now on a cooked turkey diet that keeps her bowelsrelatively normal and allows her to maintain her weight.Food allergies
usually play a part, low allergen foods and getting them on a novelprotein is usually the first step.If they are on dry food, get themoff of it immediately.Steroids are also commonly used to help control
IBD, Budesonide is sometimes favored over Prednisone.I hate puttingkitties on steroids because it lowers their immune response and has longterm side effects, but when someone is in grave danger...I've had very
good luck with homeopathics, but it was a long time before I found theright remedies for Gypsy.As I mentioned before, B12 injections seemedto help too.Get a scale you can use at home so you can monitor Rory's
weight without having to go to the vet.Hugs and best wishes to you mydear,Nina

Hi Nina,
Their mom has been diagnosed with IBD, so that very well may be it. Is it genetic? I dont' know too much about IBD yet as Ciara was recently diagnosed, maybe 2-3 weeks ago. We are still working on getting her symptoms under control. I have heard about all different sorts of diets working for different people. Some swear by rabbit (I don't think I can feed rabbit. That would be like feeding cat, to me.) Some by venison, etc. I'm guessing it depends on the cat?
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Re: my baby crackers

I am sorry for your terrible experience, but it is absolutely not true that there are no false positives. I had a false positive on a kitten just a few months ago. The first thing I would do is to find a different vet. 


There are people here who will be able to give you more and better information, but I can tell you there are absolutely false positives.-- Vist the Austin Siamese Rescue store and save a kitty life!
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Re: Re: Lost Twinkletoes

As far as food, yes, most of them are on dry. I don't like it, but I feed about 80 pounds of dry per month, and I absolutely can't afford to feed them all canned. I did the math when I put Missy on Evo and it would be $600 per month to put them all on Evo, which is really what I would like to do.

RE: my baby crackers

2006-09-02 Thread Chris









First off, its very hard for a healthy
adult cat to catch FELV. There are two testsone is an
in-house test, Elissa. Then theres an IFA, blood sent out to lab. Be
sure the vet specifically says he did IFA. Now having said all of this,
believe me there are tens of thousands of cats who test pos for FELV and nobody
ever knows it. My own didnt test + until she was 4I had her
since she was a kitten and shes never been outside. False + are not
uncommon and further testing  retesting is in order





Chris

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I am sorry for your terrible experience, but it is
absolutely not true that there are no false positives. I had a false
positive on a kitten just a few months ago. The first thing I would do is
to find a different vet. 











There are people here who will be able to give you
more and better information, but I can tell you there are absolutely false
positives.

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Re: my baby crackers


At 09:48 AM 9/2/2006, you wrote:

In addition to the IFA  test. Any test should be repeated in 2 months 
or so. Some cats have a transient positive after exposure and then 
are able to completely clear the virus because of a good immune system..

I am eagerly awaiting my 8 weeks on this new juvenile I am caring for,
Kelly

Re: Pics of my boys




Very big beautiful fluffy boys, you're very lucky! Maizee trying to fetch 
the sponge out of the tub is really cute too.
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re: my baby crackers

2006-09-02 Thread Watsdadillyo




thank you all so much who have posted so far your advice is keeping my 
family in excellent spirits THANK YOU so much and bless all your furry 
friends:)

Re: Lost Twinkletoes


Kelly,
I'm guessing the reason rabbit and venison have worked for some people 
is because of the novel protein approach.  Novel, meaning a protein 
source that they haven't been exposed to and therefore would probably 
not have an allergic reaction to.  I've fed Gypsy rabbit, (I know it 
hurts), I got mine frozen and quartered from the grocery store.  She got 
tired of it though and stopped eating it.  I've tried venison too.  
There was a point where I thought I might run out of protein sources in 
the animal kingdom.  Gypsy did really well at first on raw salmon, then 
duck, then salmon and duck.  That was expensive!  She's now on a 
homemade cooked turkey mush diet that's working well for her.  I'll send 
you the recipe off list so I can attach it.  Be warned, it's a great 
deal of trouble, but not nearly as much as doting on a sick kitty.

Nina


Hi Nina,

Their mom has been diagnosed with IBD, so that very well may be it.  
Is it genetic?  I dont' know too much about IBD yet as Ciara was 
recently diagnosed, maybe 2-3 weeks ago.  We are still working on 
getting her symptoms under control.  I have heard about all different 
sorts of diets working for different people.  Some swear by rabbit (I 
don't think I can feed rabbit.  That would be like feeding cat, to 
me.)  Some by venison, etc.  I'm guessing it depends on the cat?

OT Food and IBD - Kelly

I thought it was about time to change the subject line.  I hear you 
about the cost of canned food and quality dry.  There's no way I could 
do it at my house for everyone either.  I feed quality dry inside and 
the best inexpensive cat food I can afford to the ferals outside, (I use 
the Costco brand).  Gypsy is the only one getting the turkey mush at my 
house, except for the occasional treat to some of the others that really 
like it.  I use every part of the turkey I can, (it helps assuage my 
guilt a little bit).  We even boil the carcass for broth to add to the 
dog's food.  I'm lucky that Gypsy really likes her mush and as long as 
it's available to her, she leaves the dry alone.


Kelley Saveika wrote:

As far as food, yes, most of them are on dry.  I don't like it, but I 
feed about 80 pounds of dry per month, and I absolutely can't afford 
to feed them all canned.  I did the math when I put Missy on Evo and 
it would be $600 per month to put them all on Evo, which is really 
what I would like to do.

Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly


At 12:08 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote:


Glad to hear this. I am also a member of Catwell,, the homeopathic 
group sort of, They recommend Pro Pac (not pro plan) kitten dry for 
all the cats. it is a good food,,hard to find and not outrageously 
pricey but up there. I mix it with the KirklandI feed canned 
about once a week,,I have special need cats with special diets,,My 
IBD my FIV  my CRF etc,,,
Most of us are paying this out of our own pockets, plus the expensive 
vet bills,,

We do the very best we can to care for those that now one else bothered with.
Too bad we can form a cat food C0 OP and get cheaper prices,,and 
least in Geographical areas,

Kelly Lane
www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com/





I thought it was about time to change the subject line.  I hear you 
about the cost of canned food and quality dry.  There's no way I 
could do it at my house for everyone either.  I feed quality dry 
inside and the best inexpensive cat food I can afford to the ferals 
outside, (I use the Costco brand).  Gypsy is the only one getting 
the turkey mush at my house, except for the occasional treat to some 
of the others that really like it.  I use every part of the turkey I 
can, (it helps assuage my guilt a little bit).  We even boil the 
carcass for broth to add to the dog's food.  I'm lucky that Gypsy 
really likes her mush and as long as it's available to her, she 
leaves the dry alone.


Kelley Saveika wrote:

As far as food, yes, most of them are on dry.  I don't like it, but 
I feed about 80 pounds of dry per month, and I absolutely can't 
afford to feed them all canned.  I did the math when I put Missy on 
Evo and it would be $600 per month to put them all on Evo, which is 
really what I would like to do.










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I've been offline for a few days. I hope Spencer feels better. tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Tonya,I think he's okay from eating the litter. It was just another thing to worry me and the one thing I wasn't doing anything about. The vet had suggested an ultra sound to check, but I've been spending so much money (I don't have) the last couple of weeks on animal related stuff that I decided to wait and watch instead. Of course after I got home I wasn't sure I'd done the right thing. No, I didn't know he was positive. I suspected he was fiv +, but it was a shock to hear he was pos for both fiv and felv. Like Michelle said, he may not really be pos for fiv, I'll know for certain when we do the IFA test. I did start him on Dox this morning and I'll be starting the
VO this evening when Bruce gets home to hold him for me. His respiratory rate has me concerned. I just looked up the normal rate and found out it's 16-40 breaths per minute. Spence is at 52. Other than that he is slowly improving symptom wise. I'm going to go and offer him more food right now. Thanks for the support,Ninacatatonya wrote: Nina,First of all I really doubt this has anything to do with the clumping litter. Did you not know Spencer was positive? I would treat with doxy just in case of hemobart and maybe try immunoregulin. Hang in there. tNina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First of all, I'm sorry I haven't been able to keep up with the list lately. As always, my prayers are with you and your furbabies.I got some bad news about Spencer yesterday. For about five days before I took him to the Internist on Friday, he'd been showing symptoms... Clear discharge from his eyes and nose, waning appetite, lethargy and then finally I caught him eating some of that dreaded clumping litter. I know, I know, we just discussed the hazards of clumping litter, but I bought some more of it because I needed some and it was all Costco had in stock. About two weeks ago he also had a bout of vomiting that lasted a couple of days. I'm still waiting for my vet's office to send me the full results of his cbc, he's got anemia, (Hematocrit 19.5 and Nutri-fils 1295). I'm reeling from the result of his fiv/felv tests, he's positive for both. Right now he's on Clavomox and Baytril,
(I had put him on Clav last Wed pm). He's acting a little better, but I still haven't seen him defecate, (he's out in general population still, so I could have missed it), and I'm worried about a possible obstruction. One of the vets thought she felt "something hard" when she palpatated him, the other vet didn't feel anything. The article Michelle posted mentioned something about homeopathic vets treating for obstruction, but it didn't say what, or how. I've emailed the woman that wrote the article and have a call into a vet I've used that treats with homeopathics. Of course she's out of town for the next two weeks. Hopefully the vet that's filling in for her will have some advice without making me bring Spencer in for an xray or ultrasound. Does anyone know anything about the treatment for clumping litter obstruction?Hideyo is sending me a box of VO, hopefully it will get here by tomorrow. Hideyo, I wrote to you
earlier about Michelle at my vet's office being on vacation for the next three weeks. When I asked about getting the dispensation process started for VO, they told me it would have to wait until Michelle returns. I'll try to call you later so we can talk about this.Please everyone, send prayers and good thoughts that Spencer bounces back and my fears about the clumping litter are groundless.Nina

Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly

2006-09-02 Thread Susan Hoffman

A grocery outlet store near me has 4-POUND cans of salmon on sale right now for $3.99 a can. Around here, that's one meal. I will be so unhappy when they sell out their stock on this item.kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 12:08 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote:Glad to hear this. I am also a member of Catwell,, the homeopathic group sort of, They recommend Pro Pac (not pro plan) kitten dry for all the cats. it is a good food,,hard to find and not outrageously pricey but up there. I mix it with the KirklandI feed canned about once a week,,I have special need cats with special diets,,My IBD my FIV my CRF etc,,,Most of us are paying this out of our own pockets, plus the expensive vet bills,,We do the very best we can to care for those that now one else bothered with.Too bad we can form a cat
food C0 OP and get cheaper prices,,and least in Geographical areas,Kelly Lanewww.kellyscats.zoomshare.com/I thought it was about time to change the subject line. I hear you about the cost of canned food and quality dry. There's no way I could do it at my house for everyone either. I feed quality dry inside and the best inexpensive cat food I can afford to the ferals outside, (I use the Costco brand). Gypsy is the only one getting the turkey mush at my house, except for the occasional treat to some of the others that really like it. I use every part of the turkey I can, (it helps assuage my guilt a little bit). We even boil the carcass for broth to add to the dog's food. I'm lucky that Gypsy really likes her mush and as long as it's available to her, she leaves the dry alone.Kelley Saveika wrote:As far as food, yes, most
of them are on dry. I don't like it, but I feed about 80 pounds of dry per month, and I absolutely can't afford to feed them all canned. I did the math when I put Missy on Evo and it would be $600 per month to put them all on Evo, which is really what I would like to do.--No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006

Re: OT Food and IBD - Kelly


Tell 'em your willing to take it all off their hands for a further discount!

Susan Hoffman wrote:

A grocery outlet store near me has 4-POUND cans of salmon on sale 
right now for $3.99 a can.  Around here, that's one meal.  I will be 
so unhappy when they sell out their stock on this item.


*/kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote:

At 12:08 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote:


Glad to hear this. I am also a member of Catwell,, the homeopathic
group sort of, They recommend Pro Pac (not pro plan) kitten dry for
all the cats. it is a good food,,hard to find and not outrageously
pricey but up there. I mix it with the KirklandI feed canned
about once a week,,I have special need cats with special diets,,My
IBD my FIV my CRF etc,,,
Most of us are paying this out of our own pockets, plus the expensive
vet bills,,
We do the very best we can to care for those that now one else
bothered with.
Too bad we can form a cat food C0 OP and get cheaper prices,,and
least in Geographical areas,
Kelly Lane
www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com/





I thought it was about time to change the subject line. I hear you
about the cost of canned food and quality dry. There's no way I
could do it at my house for everyone either. I feed quality dry
inside and the best inexpensive cat food I can afford to the ferals
outside, (I use the Costco brand). Gypsy is the only one getting
the turkey mush at my house, except for the occasional treat to some
of the others that really like it. I use every part of the turkey I
can, (it helps assuage my guilt a little bit). We even boil the
carcass for broth to add to the dog's food. I'm lucky that Gypsy
really likes her mush and as long as it's available to her, she
leaves the dry alone.

Kelley Saveika wrote:

As far as food, yes, most of them are on dry. I don't like it, but
I feed about 80 pounds of dry per month, and I absolutely can't
afford to feed them all canned. I did the math when I put Missy on
Evo and it would be $600 per month to put them all on Evo, which is
really what I would like to do.








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Re: Bad news about Spencer

Thanks Tonya.  He is feeling better than he was, still not back to his 
old self though, still not eating like he should.  I have one more shot 
of VO in his first series of 5 to give him tonight, then a rest for, I 
think 9 days and then daily for 5 consecutive days again.  I'm hoping 
the feline interferon will help him fight whatever is going on with 
him.  It's obvious he doesn't feel well after his shot.  He's still on 
Dox.  We'll know more when we do blood work again.  Keep your paws crossed.

Nina


catatonya wrote:


I've been offline for a few days. I hope Spencer feels better.
t

Re: Angel has gone to the bridge

2006-09-02 Thread catatonya

Karen,I'm so behind on my email. I think I wrote you about Angel, but in case I didn't I wanted to send my condolences.tonyakandbz_ mom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Thanks everyone for keeping us in your thoughts and prayers. Angel died peacefullyat home. I had a feeling she didn't want to be taken to the vet to be put down. I am just so heartbroken as I had only had her for less than two months and she was only 5 months old. She seemed to be doing so good and then over the weekend, took a turn for the worse. Thanks again for all the support. I greatly appreciate it.Karen  Do you Yahoo!?Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.

Re: my baby crackers




Well, first off, find a vet that isn't so uneducated. The in house ELISA 
test has a very high rates of inaccurate results. Next, take another look at the 
food you are feeding, read the ingredients, it should have meat as the first 
ingredient, preferably the first two ingredients, and there should be NO corn in 
it at all. Good nutrition is the best thing you can do. Next, once you find a 
better vet, make sure they run a second IFA, because if your first vet did such 
a poor job running the ELISA, he could have messed up the sample being sent 
offfor the IFA you had done through his office (good bedside manner 
dictates that you DON'T say "Oh it looks like he might be ok" TWO minutes before 
the test is complete, just to say "Oh, nevermind, he's infected" That's HORRIBLE 
bedside manner, it's just terrible)! Then, wait 3 months, and retest again. In 
the meantime, read about all the possible treatments on our main website, and 
consider trying one, or more, of them, in a hope that he can "throw" the virus. 
That does happen, cats can test positive, and then later become negative, if 
they mount an effective immune response to the initial infection. You also might 
consider a vitamin C supplement, to boost his immune system, and a good 
multi-vitamin supplement in general.

Now, about your not testing prior to adding another cat, well, mistakes 
happen, All you can do is learn from it, and try to do better next time. Don't 
blame yourself for things you didn't know, and can't change now, that's 
pointless, and doesn't help anyone. Besides, FELV is not like FIV, it's not as 
contagious, it depends really very much on a cat's immune system, unlike FIV, 
which is almost always spread by a bite wound. Was Crackers ever tested in the 
past, before you adopted Pokemon? He might have had it all along. You didn't 
specifically say he tested positive for FELV, you said they did a combo test and 
he came up positive (and the doctor only knew that by looking in a book?), so I 
assume since this is a FELV group, he has felv, but does he have FIV too? I 
worry also, because if the vet had to look up how to read a combo test in a 
book, how many of these tests has he actually run? How OLD is the batch of test 
kits he is using? Has he been using the same pack of kits for the past 5 years? 
Are they expired? How could he possibly know ANYTHING about FELV if he doesn't 
even know HOW to run the test without reading the book? Scary, all put 
together.
Phaewryn

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2006-09-02 Thread Susan Hoffman

I wish I could afford to do that. I go through more than 30 pounds of dry food a week, 28 pounds of scoopable litter a day, and whenever I see Friskies canned food on sale for 4/$1 I dance all the way to the grocery. And, of course, we must have large quantities of catnip. Daffy, my 18 year old, has earned her daily bowls of cream. I must have canned condensed goats milk and Pedialyte in stock for underweight kittens. Little Sister likes her Marie Callendar rice, broccoli, chicken and cheese casseroles and a little carrot cake for dessert. (Yes, I'm serious. And she deserves it every once in awhile.)Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tell 'em your willing to take it all off their hands for a further discount!Susan Hoffman wrote: A grocery outlet store near me has 4-POUND cans of
salmon on sale right now for $3.99 a can. Around here, that's one meal. I will be so unhappy when they sell out their stock on this item. */kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>/* wrote: At 12:08 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote: Glad to hear this. I am also a member of Catwell,, the homeopathic group sort of, They recommend Pro Pac (not pro plan) kitten dry for all the cats. it is a good food,,hard to find and not outrageously pricey but up there. I mix it with the KirklandI feed canned about once a week,,I have special need cats with special diets,,My IBD my FIV my CRF etc,,, Most of us are paying this out of our own pockets, plus the expensive vet bills,, We do the very best we can to care for those that now one else bothered with. Too bad we can form a cat food C0 OP and get cheaper prices,,and least in Geographical
areas, Kelly Lane www.kellyscats.zoomshare.com/ I thought it was about time to change the subject line. I hear you about the cost of canned food and quality dry. There's no way I could do it at my house for everyone either. I feed quality dry inside and the best inexpensive cat food I can afford to the ferals outside, (I use the Costco brand). Gypsy is the only one getting the turkey mush at my house, except for the occasional treat to some of the others that really like it. I use every part of the turkey I can, (it helps assuage my guilt a little bit). We even boil the carcass for broth to add to the dog's food. I'm lucky that Gypsy really likes her mush and as long as it's available to her, she leaves the dry alone. Kelley Saveika wrote:
As far as food, yes, most of them are on dry. I don't like it, but I feed about 80 pounds of dry per month, and I absolutely can't afford to feed them all canned. I did the math when I put Missy on Evo and it would be $600 per month to put them all on Evo, which is really what I would like to do. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.7/436 - Release Date: 9/1/2006

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I've saved a ton of money by switching to a non-clumping litter called 
cedarific. I buy a huge bale of it for $17, and it fills our 4 catboxes 3 or 
more times. The only down side? You have to change it more often, every 4-7 
days, depending on the weather (heat and humidity effects how fast the ammonia 
builds up in the wet litter). it's still less than half the cost though, all 
told. And the cats prefer it. I know some people say pine and cedar based 
litters can be dangerous because of the fumes (I forget the technical term), but 
I have uncovered pans in addition to covered ones, and so far, no respiratory 
distress of any kind. They do prefer the uncovered pans though.
Phaewryn

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At 06:52 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote:
my problem with litter is dumping it. We are limited to weight and the
non clumping litters sure fills things up...luckily mine have the choice
of litter or dirt and grass so I only go through aboyt 60 lbs a week ,,,I
go through about 80 lbs of just dry food food a week also,,if
not more..
Kelly

I've saved a ton of money by
switching to a non-clumping litter called cedarific. I buy a huge bale of
it for $17, and it fills our 4 catboxes 3 or more times. The only down
side? You have to change it more often, every 4-7 days, depending on the
weather (heat and humidity effects how fast the ammonia builds up in the
wet litter). it's still less than half the cost though, all told. And the
cats prefer it. I know some people say pine and cedar based litters can
be dangerous because of the fumes (I forget the technical term), but I
have uncovered pans in addition to covered ones, and so far, no
respiratory distress of any kind. They do prefer the uncovered pans
though.
Phaewryn

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The cedarific weighs about 1/2 what the same amount of any clumping litter 
weighs, and about 1/4 of what any clay (clumping or not) litter weighs. So if 
you're trying to go for less weight, the cedarific would work better for you... 
unless you flush your scoopable, you wouldn't want to flush much cedar, I 
shouldn't think. For example, I could only put one box full of the old scoopable 
stuff in a plastic garbage bag, or it would weigh too much, and burst the bag. 
With the cedar litter, I can put all four boxes of waste litter into one bag, 
and still pick it up with one hand, and it doesn't burst the bag. On the rare 
incidents a bag has burst (or been torn into by the wildlife) outside, the clay 
scoopable was a disaster to clean up (it left clay "slicks" when it rained on 
the spilled area), where the cedar I just raked into the grass. It also comes in 
smaller bags, you don't have to buy a whole bale just to try it.
Phaewryn

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At 07:38 PM 9/2/2006, you wrote:

But with the scoopable I dispose of less each day. that is the weight
difference for me. Believe me, I have tried so many different kinds,
Oh by the way most of us do Mix our FIV neg cats and positive cats
as there has never been a documented case of transmission in a friendly
cat household,
We all strive for friendly cat house holds and it is that mutual grooming
and friendliness that can transmit FELV,
FELV is still very hard to catch, I had a positive cat living among my 18
negative cat for years and no one converted to positive,
I mix my FIV pos and neg but not my FELV
Regarding the Pro Pac kitten,,I am not a nutritional expert,,just
pragmatic but it was recommended to me by a veteranian Homeopathic who
gets beyond just the protein,, but the types,,, It has worked great
for me and my problems...but I still can't afford to use it alone,
I will not plagiarize her work but if you are curious go spend a bit of
time on [EMAIL PROTECTED] and discuss nutrition,
But then 10 different people have 10 different opinions don't they.
Kelly
The cedarific weighs about 1/2
what the same amount of any clumping litter weighs, and about 1/4 of what
any clay (clumping or not) litter weighs. So if you're trying to go for
less weight, the cedarific would work better for you... unless you flush
your scoopable, you wouldn't want to flush much cedar, I shouldn't think.
For example, I could only put one box full of the old scoopable stuff in
a plastic garbage bag, or it would weigh too much, and burst the bag.
With the cedar litter, I can put all four boxes of waste litter into one
bag, and still pick it up with one hand, and it doesn't burst the bag. On
the rare incidents a bag has burst (or been torn into by the wildlife)
outside, the clay scoopable was a disaster to clean up (it left clay
slicks when it rained on the spilled area), where the cedar I
just raked into the grass. It also comes in smaller bags, you don't have
to buy a whole bale just to try it.
Phaewryn

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Oh yeah, I see what you're saying. So you never do a full box change with 
the scoopable you use? Wow, that's amazing, I always had to change the entire 
box at least once a month, as the clumps would break up over time, and the bits 
would be too small to scoop, so it would begin to reek after a month. You must 
be using a brand I had never tried.

Yeah, you're right about the FIV and FELV contagions risks. FELV is more 
apt to be transmitted than FIV if all the cats are friendly to each other. I 
wouldn't think twice of mixing a FIV in with negatives, if the FIV cat was 
friendly and there wasn't any risk of him attacking anyone. Unfortunately, for 
me, I have an FIV+ cat here now that is stuck outside (and I don't believe in 
outdoor cats, other than ferals, but I have no options), because he is VICIOUS 
to other cats. He's a horrible beast, really. Sweet as a kitten to humans, dogs, 
and kids, but HATES other cats with a passion. So in cases like that, I wouldn't 
mix, so he has to live outside. I've been trying to find him a home with no 
other cats for months and months, but no takers so far. All the dog people don't 
want a cat, and all the people that might want to adopt a cat already have at 
least one, so he can't go there. Really discouraging for me, because I have 
ferals that wont come home most of the time because he attacks them. It's 
getting colder now, and they NEED to be able to come get in their insulated 
shelter, so Zack is a huge concern for me right now. I really hate to euthanize 
this cat, but it may come to that soon.
Phaewryn

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