Re: [Felvtalk] BOB
I am so sorry for your loss. On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 6:56 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS THRU AND SOMEHOW ALWAYS COMES BACK . MY BOBY DIED WEDNESDAY THE 8TH. HE DID NOT SHOW UP FOR FOOD AND WHEN I FOUND HIM, HE WAS ALREADY GROWING COLD. DECIDED NOT TO DO AUTOPSY, WOULD NOT BRING HIM BACK AND WOULD ONLY MUTILATE HIM. I MISS HIM. HE WAS SUCH A GENTLE SOUL AND TOOK SUCH GOOD CARE OF THE KITTENS WHEN I BROUGHT THEM HOME. HE BATHED THEM AND TAUGHT THEM TO HUNT AND WRESTLED WITH THEM AND THEY ALL SLEPT TOGETHER. I HAVE PICTURES TO REMEMBER, BUT NOT THE SAME. HE WAS ONLY 5 AND THERE WAS NO WARNING . ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper Rather than helping, it's easier to point fingers and say take them first as long as you leave me alone. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] BOB
I am sorry too. It is always so hard. Remember the good times. He will always be with you. Sally On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:56 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS THRU AND SOMEHOW ALWAYS COMES BACK . MY BOBY DIED WEDNESDAY THE 8TH. HE DID NOT SHOW UP FOR FOOD AND WHEN I FOUND HIM, HE WAS ALREADY GROWING COLD. DECIDED NOT TO DO AUTOPSY, WOULD NOT BRING HIM BACK AND WOULD ONLY MUTILATE HIM. I MISS HIM. HE WAS SUCH A GENTLE SOUL AND TOOK SUCH GOOD CARE OF THE KITTENS WHEN I BROUGHT THEM HOME. HE BATHED THEM AND TAUGHT THEM TO HUNT AND WRESTLED WITH THEM AND THEY ALL SLEPT TOGETHER. I HAVE PICTURES TO REMEMBER, BUT NOT THE SAME. HE WAS ONLY 5 AND THERE WAS NO WARNING . ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black(MIA), Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] BOB
I'm so sorry about Bob. It is hard to lose them anytime but when they cross the Rainbow Bridge so unexpectedly it is doubly hard. I will light a candle for Bob. Sharyl --- On Sat, 9/25/10, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net Subject: [Felvtalk] BOB To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Saturday, September 25, 2010, 7:56 PM BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS THRU AND SOMEHOW ALWAYS COMES BACK . MY BOBY DIED WEDNESDAY THE 8TH. HE DID NOT SHOW UP FOR FOOD AND WHEN I FOUND HIM, HE WAS ALREADY GROWING COLD. DECIDED NOT TO DO AUTOPSY, WOULD NOT BRING HIM BACK AND WOULD ONLY MUTILATE HIM. I MISS HIM. HE WAS SUCH A GENTLE SOUL AND TOOK SUCH GOOD CARE OF THE KITTENS WHEN I BROUGHT THEM HOME. HE BATHED THEM AND TAUGHT THEM TO HUNT AND WRESTLED WITH THEM AND THEY ALL SLEPT TOGETHER. I HAVE PICTURES TO REMEMBER, BUT NOT THE SAME. HE WAS ONLY 5 AND THERE WAS NO WARNING . ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] FeLV misconceptions
Hi list, I think quite a few people get feline leukemia confused with panleukopenia. They sort of rhyme and may sound alike to the uninformed. Panleukopenia organisms DO persist for a very long time (years) in the environment unless very stringent measures are taken, including bleaching everything,etc. FeLV organisms are much more fragile and only survive more than a few minutes if the conditions are perfect, right temperature, moisture, etc. That is why unvaccinated cats can contract it through exchange of fluids (sex, fights, grooming) and to a lesser extent, from sharing litterboxes and water and food bowls. The Panleuk vaccine is extremely effective in confering immunity. The FeLV vaccine isn't quite as good but TONs better than doing nothing. There is an enormous amount of good information online about these and other conditions. This year I had my very first kitten in the 7 years of fostering kittens (200+) with a confirmed positive FeLV, followed later by another + kitten (both were isolated/quarantined at intake and the first was out of the house before the other arrived.) I spent quite a few hours searching and reading and learned amazing things from this list and from googling... and also found a great sanctuary for Wisp (Thanks a Trillion, Michael J!) here. The second kitten was transferred to another foster who combined 3 litters before getting each tested...not so good outcome... Lucky and another kitten from one of the combined litters were confirmed positive for FeLV and ended up at a wonderful sanctuary in SLO county. The other 4 kittens are now 6 months old and 2 are finally being shown for adoption (one got adopted today). The other 2 were adopted to a family who had no other cats and all 4 have re-tested negative repeatedly. It really reinforced the importance of TESTING BEFORE YOU MIX litters just my 2 cents... One question I have for the FeLV group - How young do you test for FeLV? I know there is the concern about maternal antibodies triggering a false positive, but if a Negative is really a Negative on the Snap (ELISA) test... shouldn't you be able to test pretty young/small kittens, provided you can draw the blood required? I know there might be a greater chance of a false positive, but taking the into account, you should be able to clear at a pretty young age, maybe 3-4 weeks? That way you could clear the negatives and relax a bit, then be supercareful to keep the + kittens in quarantine as long as necessary to clear or confirm! Any experience or insight would be greatly appreciated. (I am ccing to orphankittens and the feralcats groups for more input.) Thanks and good luck with your cats and kittens, Georgetta (back from today's PETCO adoptions - placed just 2 older kittens in 4 hours - neither were any of the 8 I took to show for adoption... sigh... wish me better luck tomorrow.) www.CatsCradleRescue.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FeLV misconceptions
Hi Georgetta, A negative snap is not always negative. I rescued a litter of 5 six week olds, sickly runt was immediately quarantined, Elisa tested positive at seven weeks old. Her siblings were first tested at eight weeks old, all negative. One brother came down with a high fever at fourteen weeks, retested positive. He was probably so newly infected at the time of the first test that he didn't have enough antigens? or antibodies? (can never remember which one the test looks for) in his system yet. Both of my positives are now gone, their 3 vaccinated siblings remained negative. I know it is not practical for rescues to hang on to a kitten for months waiting to retest and confirm the negatives, but FWIW I don't really trust a single snap test, positive or negative, especially if it is done too soon after the cat's last possible exposure. Beth N. One question I have for the FeLV group - How young do you test for FeLV? I know there is the concern about maternal antibodies triggering a false positive, but if a Negative is really a Negative on the Snap (ELISA) test... shouldn't you be able to test pretty young/small kittens, provided you can draw the blood required? I know there might be a greater chance of a false positive, but taking the into account, you should be able to clear at a pretty young age, maybe 3-4 weeks? That way you could clear the negatives and relax a bit, then be supercareful to keep the + kittens in quarantine as long as necessary to clear or confirm! Any experience or insight would be greatly appreciated. (I am ccing to orphankittens and the feralcats groups for more input.) Thanks and good luck with your cats and kittens, Georgetta (back from today's PETCO adoptions - placed just 2 older kittens in 4 hours - neither were any of the 8 I took to show for adoption... sigh... wish me better luck tomorrow.) www.CatsCradleRescue.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] BOB
Oh, how sad. You have my deepest condolences. He sounds like a special cat-friend. What a blessing to know him. I hope your sweet memories of the love and relationship you two shared replace the sadness. May Bob rest easy in whatever cat heaven there may be. - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 4:56 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] BOB BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS THRU AND SOMEHOW ALWAYS COMES BACK . MY BOBY DIED WEDNESDAY THE 8TH. HE DID NOT SHOW UP FOR FOOD AND WHEN I FOUND HIM, HE WAS ALREADY GROWING COLD. DECIDED NOT TO DO AUTOPSY, WOULD NOT BRING HIM BACK AND WOULD ONLY MUTILATE HIM. I MISS HIM. HE WAS SUCH A GENTLE SOUL AND TOOK SUCH GOOD CARE OF THE KITTENS WHEN I BROUGHT THEM HOME. HE BATHED THEM AND TAUGHT THEM TO HUNT AND WRESTLED WITH THEM AND THEY ALL SLEPT TOGETHER. I HAVE PICTURES TO REMEMBER, BUT NOT THE SAME. HE WAS ONLY 5 AND THERE WAS NO WARNING . ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] BOB
Am so sorry to hear about your Bobby. Sounds like he was a superb 'foster mom' to the youngsters in need. He was the teacher that they needed and had lost. The animal world is blessed to have fellows like him. His way is lighted and open to meet many wonderful, welcoming friends on the other side. Karen - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 7:56 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] BOB BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS THRU AND SOMEHOW ALWAYS COMES BACK . MY BOBY DIED WEDNESDAY THE 8TH. HE DID NOT SHOW UP FOR FOOD AND WHEN I FOUND HIM, HE WAS ALREADY GROWING COLD. DECIDED NOT TO DO AUTOPSY, WOULD NOT BRING HIM BACK AND WOULD ONLY MUTILATE HIM. I MISS HIM. HE WAS SUCH A GENTLE SOUL AND TOOK SUCH GOOD CARE OF THE KITTENS WHEN I BROUGHT THEM HOME. HE BATHED THEM AND TAUGHT THEM TO HUNT AND WRESTLED WITH THEM AND THEY ALL SLEPT TOGETHER. I HAVE PICTURES TO REMEMBER, BUT NOT THE SAME. HE WAS ONLY 5 AND THERE WAS NO WARNING . ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] BOB
How sad. Best of Bridge vibes to sweet Bob and hugs to you. Diane -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 6:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] BOB BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS THRU AND SOMEHOW ALWAYS COMES BACK . MY BOBY DIED WEDNESDAY THE 8TH. HE DID NOT SHOW UP FOR FOOD AND WHEN I FOUND HIM, HE WAS ALREADY GROWING COLD. DECIDED NOT TO DO AUTOPSY, WOULD NOT BRING HIM BACK AND WOULD ONLY MUTILATE HIM. I MISS HIM. HE WAS SUCH A GENTLE SOUL AND TOOK SUCH GOOD CARE OF THE KITTENS WHEN I BROUGHT THEM HOME. HE BATHED THEM AND TAUGHT THEM TO HUNT AND WRESTLED WITH THEM AND THEY ALL SLEPT TOGETHER. I HAVE PICTURES TO REMEMBER, BUT NOT THE SAME. HE WAS ONLY 5 AND THERE WAS NO WARNING . ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] BOB
Nicely said, Karen. - Original Message - From: Karen Griffith griff...@frognet.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BOB Am so sorry to hear about your Bobby. Sounds like he was a superb 'foster mom' to the youngsters in need. He was the teacher that they needed and had lost. The animal world is blessed to have fellows like him. His way is lighted and open to meet many wonderful, welcoming friends on the other side. Karen - Original Message - From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 7:56 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] BOB BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS THRU AND SOMEHOW ALWAYS COMES BACK . MY BOBY DIED WEDNESDAY THE 8TH. HE DID NOT SHOW UP FOR FOOD AND WHEN I FOUND HIM, HE WAS ALREADY GROWING COLD. DECIDED NOT TO DO AUTOPSY, WOULD NOT BRING HIM BACK AND WOULD ONLY MUTILATE HIM. I MISS HIM. HE WAS SUCH A GENTLE SOUL AND TOOK SUCH GOOD CARE OF THE KITTENS WHEN I BROUGHT THEM HOME. HE BATHED THEM AND TAUGHT THEM TO HUNT AND WRESTLED WITH THEM AND THEY ALL SLEPT TOGETHER. I HAVE PICTURES TO REMEMBER, BUT NOT THE SAME. HE WAS ONLY 5 AND THERE WAS NO WARNING . ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] BOB
I'm so sorry - GLOW to light his path and ease your heart. Barb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile. - Anonymous From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sat, September 25, 2010 6:56:46 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] BOB BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS THRU AND SOMEHOW ALWAYS COMES BACK . MY BOBY DIED WEDNESDAY THE 8TH. HE DID NOT SHOW UP FOR FOOD AND WHEN I FOUND HIM, HE WAS ALREADY GROWING COLD. DECIDED NOT TO DO AUTOPSY, WOULD NOT BRING HIM BACK AND WOULD ONLY MUTILATE HIM. I MISS HIM. HE WAS SUCH A GENTLE SOUL AND TOOK SUCH GOOD CARE OF THE KITTENS WHEN I BROUGHT THEM HOME. HE BATHED THEM AND TAUGHT THEM TO HUNT AND WRESTLED WITH THEM AND THEY ALL SLEPT TOGETHER. I HAVE PICTURES TO REMEMBER, BUT NOT THE SAME. HE WAS ONLY 5 AND THERE WAS NO WARNING . ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] BOB
I am SO SORRY. I know how bad you feel as I recently lost my little Sophie this summer. My heart breaks for you. Alice Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 20:16:10 -0400 From: putty...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] BOB I am sorry too. It is always so hard. Remember the good times. He will always be with you. Sally On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 7:56 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: BEEN TRYING TO GET THIS THRU AND SOMEHOW ALWAYS COMES BACK . MY BOBY DIED WEDNESDAY THE 8TH. HE DID NOT SHOW UP FOR FOOD AND WHEN I FOUND HIM, HE WAS ALREADY GROWING COLD. DECIDED NOT TO DO AUTOPSY, WOULD NOT BRING HIM BACK AND WOULD ONLY MUTILATE HIM. I MISS HIM. HE WAS SUCH A GENTLE SOUL AND TOOK SUCH GOOD CARE OF THE KITTENS WHEN I BROUGHT THEM HOME. HE BATHED THEM AND TAUGHT THEM TO HUNT AND WRESTLED WITH THEM AND THEY ALL SLEPT TOGETHER. I HAVE PICTURES TO REMEMBER, BUT NOT THE SAME. HE WAS ONLY 5 AND THERE WAS NO WARNING . ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Sally(me), Eric (not a cat),Junior(angel), Tiny(angel) Fluffy(soul mate angel), Lionel(angel),Speedy, Grey and White, Ittle Bitty, Little Black(MIA), Lily, Daisy, Pewter, Junior Junior, Hotdog (newest) Silver, and Spike ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
